| Author | Message | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 770 Registered: 12-2001 |
My info as far as ZF making the transmissions came from a ferrari mechanic from FoO. I would look further before I ruled it out. | ||
| Ron R (Ronr)
New member Username: Ronr Post Number: 32 Registered: 10-2002 |
Don't count on used parts lasting as long as new parts. Metal parts under cyclic (repeated) load will fatigue. If a particular part is known to fail due to fatigue, then a used part having x number of fatigue cycles has already used up a percentage of its useful life. It would help to know the "mileage" of the used part. | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 325 Registered: 4-2002 |
I drive my '77 GTB all the time and dont worry about parts availablity at all. When I was by trutlands a few months back... they had MANY good used 308 engine/trans units available. They will sell you a long block with good compression and leakdown test used for around $5K exchange. I would think they would have any trans parts you may need. Also, whats wrong with used parts? If for example a gear is used but in perfect condition when closely examined, it should last as long as a new one depending on use and wear/tear. Heck, you could even make an arguement that the used part may last longer since the metal has been tempered. The BMW F1 engine boys back in the early 1980's would only build turbo F1 engines from used blocks with over 100K on them because they proved these used blocks were stronger... Also, I sure cant see 308 values going down from here. I dont see them going up much either, but they will at least hold value. Just drive it, fix it dont sweat it. | ||
| Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
Junior Member Username: Tbakowsky Post Number: 76 Registered: 9-2002 |
Yes..I got a syncro for a 348 directly from zf. But as far as I know the 308 trans was built in house at Ferrari. | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 765 Registered: 12-2001 |
Apparently ZF makes the gearbox and parts for ferrari. Has anyone heard this as well? May improve locating parts. | ||
| Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
Junior Member Username: Tbakowsky Post Number: 73 Registered: 9-2002 |
Damn!! I should have done that while I worked at my old shop!! I had a 308 trans on the bench that I hadn't taken apart yet, and also had a porsche trans right beside it!! Man I wish I had thought to compare the two. | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 669 Registered: 4-2002 |
I've read in many sources that they were "Porsche designed" (oh, the shame of it all!), but it's probably iffy if they are the same as an actual Porsche tranny. Would be interesting if someone were to match them up, tho. | ||
| Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
Junior Member Username: Tbakowsky Post Number: 72 Registered: 9-2002 |
I heard somwere that the syncros in the trans are Porsche..anybody hear of this? I know they do look very simmilar in size..but it's a hell of a job to pull it all back apart if their wrong. | ||
| Barney Guzzo (Trinacria)
New member Username: Trinacria Post Number: 30 Registered: 8-2002 |
Internal parts for the tranny seem high (especially after you convert to US $) but they are still 25% below Ferrari dealers (well F of LI anyway) (I know, I just got reamed for some internal tranny parts for my gtbi). | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 634 Registered: 4-2002 |
Tom: I was just browsing the Ferrari Owner's site parts section. They list all the innards for the transmission, but be damned sure you are sitting down when you look at the prices. They look like phone numbers, and to make matters worse, they are in UK pounds. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 3617 Registered: 2-2001 |
Tom, Hang on to it because if G.M. gets hold of Ferrari the prior ones can only appreciate. | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 615 Registered: 4-2002 |
Tom: Just had lunch today with Brian Keegan (see the post down a ways), and he says the trans 'innards' are still available. Give him a call - but wait a few days, as he's still here in Oregon. | ||
| David Jones (Dave)
Member Username: Dave Post Number: 436 Registered: 4-2001 |
Tom, why ask someone else what you should do with Your car..... What does your gut say? Want to sell it, go ahead. Want to keep it, that's fine as well. Is the value of the car going to justify spending thousands of dollars to fix if something major goes wrong??? It depends on you... If your dog breaks it's leg do you get it fixed at the vet or have the dog put to sleep? If it's just a parts issue, most all parts for the 308 series with a couple of exceptions are still available in vast numbers... If it's a money issue then sell the 308 and buy the best car known to man, a 1978 Toyota Corolla. | ||
| Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
Junior Member Username: Tbakowsky Post Number: 69 Registered: 9-2002 |
Thanks Frank...I'll try the ferrari u.k site. I've checked out trutlands and they have also told me that parts, even for them are getting hard to find. I thought that trutlands made alot of there own parts. I guess only certain things. Guys please don't get me wrong...I love my Ferrari and would do just about anything to hang on to it..And at the end of the day it is about "smiles per mile" I just wanted your feed back on this thought. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1547 Registered: 9-2001 |
You can get just about any part you may need for older Ferraris at www.trutlands.com . If Ted can't get them, try www.ferrari-uk.com/parts/index.asp . they have the rights to produce and sell any Ferrari parts for cars out of production 15 years or longer I believe. | ||
| djmonk (Davem)
Junior Member Username: Davem Post Number: 136 Registered: 1-2002 |
Tom. Its hard to 'rationalise' any Ferrari from a cost standpoint. The good news is that the 308 is fully depreciated. If it makes you feel better imagine owning a later model F-car that goes bad. That lucky soul can buy the still manufactered parts at the dealer at ridiculous markups while the cars value is eroding,not that theres anything wrong with that. Its all about smiles per mile! | ||
| Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
Junior Member Username: Tbakowsky Post Number: 68 Registered: 9-2002 |
Robert...I do all the work on my 308 as I'm a mechanic. And yes I do agree the 308 is very reasonable to run. But that is not my question. My question is is it really a car that is worth hanging on to,now that parts are getting very scarce and the value of the car does not seem to justify spending thousands of dollars on and engine rebuild. But I can't see myself getting rid of the car. I love it to much. Please tell me I'm wrong about all this. | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Member Username: Jay Post Number: 826 Registered: 10-2001 |
Tom in Toronto talk to Rock at Rocks auto, prices are much cheaper than Fof0. Email me and I'll give you his number. | ||
| Robert Davis (H2oquick)
Junior Member Username: H2oquick Post Number: 216 Registered: 8-2001 |
I do'nt get where owning and repairing a 308 is expensive, I guess it is if you do your own work that is. I have done a bit to my 308gtbi and have found it to be quite reasonable on parts. I also do'nt find it any harder to do work on the 308 than some other cars I have had, in fact I think it is a hell of a lot easier than working on some of the Porsche models and less expensive. I know the repair shops charge more than they should for working on Ferraris and sky rocket the price on parts. I think owners of the 308 who work on their own cars will agree. | ||
| Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
Junior Member Username: Tbakowsky Post Number: 67 Registered: 9-2002 |
I spoke to Chris at Ferrari of Ontario..he does have a source for certain parts but if I go through him he has to add a mark up to the parts. I've tried to ask him for the name but he won't tell me. he says if he does he could lose his job. I realize that buying used parts is an option but even then..your just relying on a part that may fail early...even with a check over. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Junior Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 162 Registered: 10-2002 |
Tom Who at Ferrari did you speak to? Call Dean at WWOC. 845 425-2600 Mention my name. If that doesn't work register at the Ferrari owners site. Go to the classic parts section. They list sources for parts they no longer make but have authorised others to produce. | ||
| Bill Steele (Glassman)
Junior Member Username: Glassman Post Number: 133 Registered: 4-2002 |
Tom, Then there is only one thing left to do. Call Brian Keegen at Lyle Tanner Enterprises. If the part exists, he will know where it is! | ||
| Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
Junior Member Username: Tbakowsky Post Number: 66 Registered: 9-2002 |
Bill..I have been trying to locate many parts of the transmisson as they are prone to fail..I did find syncros and thats about it!! I have been having diff trouble and I called ferrari to find out if a replacment was available..guess what? Ferrari as a company no longer makes any trans parts for this car!! This is a transmission that has been in every transverse mounted v8 car since the 308gt4 right up to 1989 in the 328 with only slight mods in between. Ferrari does not seem to care that even though they made close to 17 000 of the 3 series cars that parts are not available | ||
| Bill Steele (Glassman)
Junior Member Username: Glassman Post Number: 132 Registered: 4-2002 |
You guy's are confusing me. I can get almost every part I need overnight (if I can't wait) for a 1959 250 GT. Why would it be hard to get parts for one of the largest production cars Ferrari built? Have the parts custom built, you have got to be kidding! | ||
| Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
Junior Member Username: Tbakowsky Post Number: 65 Registered: 9-2002 |
Good thoughts to all..My car is an 82 308gtsi I really love this car but I'm think I'm just trying to justify getting into a newer model like a 348 or something. But I would really like to keep the car but I keep wondering if it's worth it | ||
| Dave328GTB (Hardtop)
Member Username: Hardtop Post Number: 308 Registered: 1-2002 |
You don't mention which model you have, but I wouldn't sweat the parts issue. If you are really concerned, I would start stock piling needed parts. Even if you never use them, NOS parts will probably be worth a lot more later on as they get scarce. Also, there will always be parts cars. Engine parts can always be made when needed, and many, like bearings, valve springs, etc. are "off the shelf" stuff you don't have to get from Ferrari. Also, aftermarket ignitions and timing belt mods work better than stock. So, unless you are just looking for a reason to get something else, I would keep the 308. Dave | ||
| Bruno (Originalsinner)
Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 762 Registered: 5-2002 |
Im not to worried about parts .Yet. Are they worth hanging onto is an interesting thought. They will become undriveable eventually. A lot will be parted out. But I suspect you are looking at the high end of the 308 pricing right now. Maybe in 50 years it gets better when there is half as many around. They just made to many of them. If it ever gets up to the 100k area (not in our lifetime) Parts are no problem as you can have them custom made. | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Member Username: Jay Post Number: 825 Registered: 10-2001 |
I wouldn't buy a Ferrari because of the value, buy it and keep it because you love it. If it's not worth holding on to a 308 than what about my 308 GT4? It wasn't popular when it was new!  Honestly, it hasn't been that difficult to source parts and yes somethings are expensive, but again we are talking about relatively rare automobiles, it's not like there are millions of them. | ||
| Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
Junior Member Username: Tbakowsky Post Number: 64 Registered: 9-2002 |
I was Just wondering what the feelings are on hanging on to the 308 ferrari's. I have been told that Ferrari is no longer making parts for these cars as of 3 years ago. My main question, is the value of the car going to justify spending thousands of dollars to fix if something major goes wrong. I have been looking into parts availability for the transmissin,engine etc just in case mine decides to brake and I'm finding it very difficult to source parts onther than gaskets and the usual wear items. Any thoughts? |