| Author | Message | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 335 Registered: 4-2002 |
Totally agree about the E-type. I cut my teeth on them, drove a '63 Series I roadster through college. Those things can be setup to handle very well, have good power and are a blast to drive. They are also among the absolute best looking cars every produced anywhere. The E-Type is a car that if only 50 had been produced, it would be worth really big money today. But because it was actually produced, anyone can afford to own and drive one of the best sportscars ever designed. I will have another some day.  | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Junior Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 204 Registered: 10-2002 |
Wayne I think you're right. One of the prettiest covered headlight cars IMHO remains the 1967 E type Jag. Best Jim | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 541 Registered: 8-2002 |
Jim, that's correct. Ferrari made the changes to the Daytona in mid-1971. I was trying to answer the question of whether or not Ferrari made the change for all markets or just the US market. As I said, I believe it was a worldwide change. Do you know if I'm am correct? | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Junior Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 201 Registered: 10-2002 |
Headlight covers were outlawed in the US after 1967. Nothing is allowed that covers the sealed glass units. | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 540 Registered: 8-2002 |
To the best of my knowledge, the retractable headlamp arrangement introduced in 1971 to meet US federal safety regulations was standardized on cars for all markets, as was the eventual introduction of side-impact bars and steel doors. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1578 Registered: 9-2001 |
William, I do not believe that is entirely correct. The pop-up headlights were for U.S. spec as well as several other countries both in europe and elsewhere. The plexiglass type were for most other markets including most of europe through out the model run. So, while you may find a pop-up headlight car that is "euro-spec', that is because the european contry it was speced for required it for some rerasons. I know my BB512i is a Belgian spec car that came with the hex knock-offs rather than the earred type because that was what was required in Belgian at the time. Most other european countries allowed the earred knock-offs. Back then there was no "world car" so every country had its own particular requirements that affected the specs of the car. | ||
| William Badurski (Billb)
Junior Member Username: Billb Post Number: 115 Registered: 6-2001 |
Hi Mark, Good to see you here, as this is one helluva site for information! I took the side markers off my coupe 16937 when I owned it, cause I too like the "clean" look. Didn't make any difference to the eventual buyer either. The earlier comment about Euro cars have plexi covered lamps is not entirely correct. The later Euros also got the US pop-ups, probably to reduce manufacturing costs, but I also read a quote from Pininfarina stating that the plexi arrangement was not as effective in illumination as the later pop-up (actually his comment was much stronger, but to avoid upsetting owners I won't provide the details). Also, thank you Dr. Ibrahim for your very kind endorsement. I hope my E-mail regarding spark plugs was of some help. | ||
| Mark Lindman (Markl)
New member Username: Markl Post Number: 4 Registered: 12-2002 |
Coachi, thanks for the offer, I may take you up on it as we put things back together. We have taken a million pictures, but I'm sure that as we reasemble the car the right picture will be missing. A couple of shots of the car today.   | ||
| Dr. I. M. Ibrahim (Coachi)
Junior Member Username: Coachi Post Number: 140 Registered: 5-2002 |
Mark I restored a 1971 Daytona which I still own in 1990. It took one year. I have many photos of the restoration and can probably dig up just about anything done cosmetically. I had dash, leather interior, carpet, trunk, the entire car stripped, all rust removed, just a truly extensive job that took the restorer over one year to do. I know Mr. Badurski and he is a superbly knowledgable Daytona and Ferrari man. Let me if I can help. I may not be able to, bit I can try. | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 675 Registered: 4-2002 |
I'm so friggen jealous. | ||
| Mark Lindman (Markl)
New member Username: Markl Post Number: 3 Registered: 12-2002 |
Thank you all for your input. I have decided at this point to leave the side markers as God and the U.S. government had intended! I still like the clean look of the Euro rump but not enough to to creat resale problems for myself down the line. As far as what I found when we stripped off the paint, lots of mud and a thick coat of black paint over the original red. Not as much rust as first thought, but some evidence of good rust repair around the rockers and rear window. The doors had been reskinned, but the inside of the doors was a rusty mess. I get them back from being dip stripped next week and am afraid of what will be left once all the rust is gone. If the weather clears up for a couple of days next week we hope to roll the car outside and sandblast all the nooks and cranies. I'll post some pictures when we finish removing all the old paint. Cheers  | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 277 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>>So removing Federalization parts on a Boxer is much different than a USA Daytona.<<<< Absolutely ! | ||
| Lee Sanders (Lsand007)
New member Username: Lsand007 Post Number: 22 Registered: 3-2002 |
The difference between Boxers and Daytonas is that Daytonas were legally imported by Ferrari into the USA. Boxers were never imported by Ferrari. They were all gray market cars which had to be Federalized. So removing Federalization parts on a Boxer is much different than a USA Daytona. The question is, is it a USA spec Daytona or Euro. | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 268 Registered: 11-2002 |
Well... I see some others agree with me so I'll throw in my 0.02 liras worth. I wouldn't basterdize the car either. Not many buyers shopping for rigged Ferrari's if you decide to sell some day. I know I would likely advise my clients against rigged cars, unless there was some very compelling reason for it. On top of that, generally in this country US version cars are more popular, because they require much less of a story and can be researchered backwards much easier. | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 521 Registered: 8-2002 |
Mark, since you asked for the opinion of others, I'm assuming you at least had some doubts about bastardizing yet another Ferrari. My advice is to paint the car whatever color makes you feel all warm and fuzzy but to make everything else as close to original as possible. Now that I've given my two cents, it's you car. Do with it what you will. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1562 Registered: 9-2001 |
I am having the side markets removed from my BB512i as I type. But, they were added as part of the DOT conversion once the car reached the U.S.A. as Boxers are all gray market cars. U.S. spec Daytonas were exported here and the side market lights were installed at the factory. That being the case. I would leave them on the car. If you want to change the car to euro-spec you will have to change the headlights and a lot more than just the side marker removal. | ||
| Vince (Manatee)
Junior Member Username: Manatee Post Number: 84 Registered: 6-2002 |
If you are planning on selling the car reasonably soon after restoration, I'd put the light markers in place. This will eliminate any explanations at time of resale. The more explaining a seller has to do, the less comfortable a buyer becomes. If you plan on keeping the car for a long time, then do whatever makes you happy. My $.02 | ||
| Manu (Manu)
Member Username: Manu Post Number: 563 Registered: 2-2002 |
No side markers for sure - the car DOES look a lot cleaner - I've always hated them on US cars. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 1597 Registered: 2-2001 |
Cool project I would check with DMV on that before deciding. Good Luck | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Member Username: Jay Post Number: 849 Registered: 10-2001 |
Yes it looks cleaner with the euro lights. Since the car has to be repainted anyway, I would do it! The smaller round markers have much more style and character. If you wanted to in the future you could always cut the hole out again! BTW welcome to the board. | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 620 Registered: 12-2001 |
If you are at the stage where you could loose them, i would. I also think they look better without.(assuming that wouldn't cause some kind of DOT-type problem). Just out of curiosity, what did you find the condition of the sheetmetal in, after you got down to bare metal? Rustwise? And, how much factory lead or whatever was apparent in melding together the panels? | ||
| Mark Lindman (Markl)
New member Username: Markl Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2002 |
Have been lurking around f-chat for about 6 months learning the ways of the faithful while I am restoring my '71 Daytona. A fellow f-chat member Bill Badursky is helping out with the engine work and trans, with the rest of the work being done locally. My question is whether or not to replace the rear side markers. The car is a high mile USA car that we are taking some liberties in restoring. Nothing drastic just a few Euro and race mods that won't affect apearence and can all easily be brought back to stock. Deleating the side markers is somewhat more permenant and may confuse an onlooker as to the origin of the car. I think the Euro cars look much cleaner without the side markers and thus the dilema. Lots of Daytona owners out there what do you think?...Mark  |