| Author | Message | ||
| Dave328GTB (Hardtop)
Member Username: Hardtop Post Number: 332 Registered: 1-2002 |
I have seen quite a few 308's with reversed taillights nad every one of them had been resprayed. I think FNA was pulling your leg. Dave | ||
| Mitchel DeFrancis (4re308)
Member Username: 4re308 Post Number: 736 Registered: 6-2001 |
I have to chime in here, my 308 QV has never had any paintwork and I did talk to FNA about the reversed taillights. As a matter of fact, I think BretMs car is like mine, taillights reversed. I was told that this is a rare thing, but I have seen many 308s and Mondials with the tailights reversed. I have some pics of a black 328 with the reversed lights. I also have a book with a photo of some early 308s, and 2 of them are reversed tailight cars. Can anyone else confirm this? Does anyone else have reversed taillights? Andre, my car is also Nero Metallico! I want to know how many Metallic Black owners we have on the site?? | ||
| Terry (Dogue)
Junior Member Username: Dogue Post Number: 145 Registered: 9-2001 |
I think that GTB vs GTS pricing is pretty equal. Those that want a GTS will probably not settle for a GTB even with a discount. Someone looking for a GTB will not look for a discount either. Kind of the same with the color, I personally do not want red when I purchase my First Ferrari. The red cars (and GTSs) may sell faster because there are more buyers, but not for much more. Most ads I see try to add to the price because of an off color claiming it is RARE because to the paint color, this is rediculous also. I doubt they actually sell for more! The value of this car should be in the low twenties, not because of re-paint (hell it is 20+ years old). But because of the overall questions. 14,000 miles on a 20+ year old car is scary. "the 15,000 mile service has already been done" well I thought it was recomended to do a Major service every 30,000 miles or every 5 years. It should have had at least 4 majors on it by now. | ||
| Dave328GTB (Hardtop)
Member Username: Hardtop Post Number: 328 Registered: 1-2002 |
Martin, The paint used in those years was very poor and tended to craze, so even low mileage cars are often resprayed. I agree that this GTB should not be valued more highly than a GTS. However, in defense of hardtops, they generally sell for about the same. In the case of QV GTBi's, I think you can get more than GTS's in the US because there are very few here (way fewer than GTBi's.) This past summer I sold my 85 GTB very quickly for very strong money because that was what the buyer was looking for and mine was the only one in the US for sale at the time. In fact, there have been no others in the FML since! In the case of 328 GTB's and GTS's, real world sales show they sell for about the same with the B's maybe worth slightly less all other factors being equal. In my travels with my 328 GTB, I have run into several potential buyers. It appears to me the ranks of GTB wannabes are growing, but the cars are hard to find. If this trend continues, the hardtops might be worth more eventually, not that I care personally, but speculation is fun. We all have Nagnum P.I. to thank for the shortage of 1980's GTB's in the US. I have owned GTS's as well as GTB's and my personal, highly biased, opinion is that the GTB's are way better looking and driving. DAve | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 3417 Registered: 5-2001 |
First I would not pay "top Dollar" for a car that has 15K Miles and is 20 years old. 2nd why did it need a paint job in its short tim on the road? Stored outside? means have not been cared for! = discount! 3rd, the color is a personal choice. If you like it fine. Howie, I doisagree here, I no not think that the fact that there are only few GTBis made compands more money.- They reason they made less is, nobody wanted them. Same true today! These cars are NOT collector items guys, just realize this. A fiberglass is a possible collector item because of the unique body and the history behind it, buit a GTB GTBi or GTBqv is certainly not a colloctor car. No premium, rather a deduction for not having the roof. | ||
| Andr� Ferreira da Costa (Oporto328)
New member Username: Oporto328 Post Number: 18 Registered: 9-2002 |
John. Here are some pictures of my car. But they are very poor quality. I'm going to take some new pictures in the next weeks. Just waiting to finish some mods in the interior. I'm waiting for a team voodoo knob to come. Then I'll post them.     | ||
| Dave328GTB (Hardtop)
Member Username: Hardtop Post Number: 320 Registered: 1-2002 |
Reversed tail lights are a sure sign a car has been painted. For some reason, paint shops rarely put them back properly. Dave | ||
| John Delvac (Johndelvac)
Junior Member Username: Johndelvac Post Number: 170 Registered: 11-2001 |
Andre - Wow, yours is the only other black metallic 328 I've heard of. I have two friends with B Metallic 308QVs and one with a TR. One of those QVs has the reversed tail lights. Please post a photo of your GTB as I often wish mine was one. My SN is 71403 | ||
| Andr� Ferreira da Costa (Oporto328)
New member Username: Oporto328 Post Number: 16 Registered: 9-2002 |
John. Thanks for the information. First time I see a car with switched rear lights. I've seen in your profile that you have a black metalic 328. Just like me. And it's also a 1987. What's your s\n. Mine's 72891 | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Member Username: Jay Post Number: 878 Registered: 10-2001 |
Rosso Rubino is a beautiful color in real life and it is a "factory" color, those pictures don't do it justice. In person it looks like the wine my grandfather makes! LOL I would venture that if it is a factory Rosso Rubino paint and a GTB, then it would make this car more rare... | ||
| Robert McNair (Rrm)
Junior Member Username: Rrm Post Number: 170 Registered: 5-2002 |
Check the search on the speedo question James. I had posted the same question a while back and had gotten a few good responses. If I remember right it had to do with the year and u.s vs. euro cars, but check w/ the search function. | ||
| Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Intermediate Member Username: 91tr Post Number: 1222 Registered: 1-2001 |
James -- the 80 mph speedometer was a Nader-ism that afflicted US cars in the early 80's (80-81-82ish I think). Fortunately, they finally figured out it was poor idea (a definitely not a plus for that car IMO). | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 331 Registered: 4-2002 |
I bought my '77 GTB off of ebay earlier this year. The deal was contingent on a PPI and the price was renegotiated after the PPI. The car turned out to be great, is a blast to drive and looks fantastic. Great mechanicals, all books and records from day 1, excellent paint and interior. The driver seat shows minimal wear, everything else is just about perfect. The engine bay did need detailing and it needed new engine mounts and the A/C system restored. After the purchase I also decided to upgrade the ignition to a single distributor and MSD. I paid $24K for the car. I think the carb cars bring more money that the 2V injected cars. If this car has not had the full 30K service, then I would agree with most that its a $18K car. If it has had the full service and really is in perfect cosmetic condition, perhaps its worth $25K. With all the cosmetic and upgrading work I have done to mine, I would not take less than $30K. It may be for sale in the spring, if I can figure out how to swing a Daytona or other 12cyl car. | ||
| James (Jim_red308)
New member Username: Jim_red308 Post Number: 46 Registered: 3-2001 |
Question. I cannot help but notice that the speedometer only goes to 80 mph then orange line?? Is this typical for American version 308's as my euro spec speedometer goes to 180 mph (not the car of course) What say Am version owners? | ||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Junior Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 194 Registered: 5-2002 |
Unless they have records, anything rubber needs replacing. The timing belts first, then the other belts and hoses. Probably a battery fi you plan to trust it. I'd guess an off color 2v gtbi without service would sell at about 18-22. What is is worth to you is another question. If you like the color and do your own work, 18-22, if you pay to have your car serviced and are only warm to the color, 10-12. When I bought my car, I didn't even consider it my first search because it was blue and a little rough. But I couldn't find anything I really liked an dI wait to wait. I was planning to buy a carb 2V, wanted a QV, but really they where out of my price range. This was a QV in my price range, so I said what the heck, a blue car that could use paint is a red car anyway. That was 3 years ago, it's still blue because after getting it, I really like it and have no plans to change it. | ||
| Robert McNair (Rrm)
Junior Member Username: Rrm Post Number: 169 Registered: 5-2002 |
IMO absolutely top dollar for this car would be 30k, if it is all that they say it is in the add. That's top dollar, as far as purchasing it I would say don't go over 22k. | ||
| ARIE BONSELAAR (Arie)
New member Username: Arie Post Number: 25 Registered: 5-2001 |
GOOD POINT! I`LL KEEP THAT IN MIND. BUT MAKING ROOM FOR 2 HORSES IN THE GARAGE MAY BE HARD. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 3647 Registered: 2-2001 |
Just as Tom says no mention of a 30,000 mile service. So at 15,000 it doesn't necessarily mean they changed the timing belts. Better check and if not changed don't chance running it to any extent. | ||
| ARIE BONSELAAR (Arie)
New member Username: Arie Post Number: 24 Registered: 5-2001 |
NES! I`ll post some pics as soon as i can, it needs some TLC, but i own a couple of body shops so that should help.. | ||
| Dr. I. M. Ibrahim (Coachi)
Junior Member Username: Coachi Post Number: 145 Registered: 5-2002 |
If you like the color, then buy it, if you think it presents good value. I am sure you know that red is the best resale color for Ferraris. I am sure that the seller wants more for it, but I would bid 20,000 tops and then email him to let him know who you are. If he wants to sell, and he doesn't get a higher bid, he will call you and then you may give him a few hundred more. Without seeing the car.. I would not give more than that. | ||
| John Delvac (Johndelvac)
Junior Member Username: Johndelvac Post Number: 167 Registered: 11-2001 |
Andre - Good eye! But, no it's OK for the lights to be brake-out, marker in. Many Ferrris are like this including my friend Mitchel's. He called the factory and they told him that the builder himself decides which way it goes and that it is factory authorized OK. I kinda like the red out, orange in. But personally, I'm glad mine are the "normal" way. We had two the "other" way at our November meeting. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Junior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 81 Registered: 8-2002 |
and that's a sweet lookin' car, too, Paul... very nice... it looks almost blue in your profile picture... Arie, do you have any pictures of your yellow one...? | ||
| Andr� Ferreira da Costa (Oporto328)
New member Username: Oporto328 Post Number: 15 Registered: 9-2002 |
Rear lights are in the wrong place. True? | ||
| ARIE BONSELAAR (Arie)
New member Username: Arie Post Number: 23 Registered: 5-2001 |
I have seen the car and its very clean, but the color is not what someone would like!, i do have a fly yellow 79 gtb which is a very rare color, but will see what happends. thanks all for your input... | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 775 Registered: 12-2001 |
When buying my first ferrari, I didnt care what color it was. However I was told it was an off color so I got it cheaper, its silver on red. It's grown on me and you dont see lots of silver GTB's around. I almost think its to my advantage now that it isnt red like all the rest. | ||
| John Delvac (Johndelvac)
Junior Member Username: Johndelvac Post Number: 166 Registered: 11-2001 |
DES - Well, there is the obvious re-sale red thing going on. Almost every F car seen on TV is red. There is of course the white TR and black Daytona on M. Vice. But for the most part, red is the color. Also, most cars are painted red, not by coinsidence. Most F car guys fell in love with their first Ferrari, which happened to be red. Black is #2. Silver/gray is popular and there are some buyers for white and blue. Green and orange cars will sell too, though a bit slower than black. But when you get a color no one has seen before, it is a no-brainer for the one who loves it. For dealers, brokers and those planning on re-selling, it is a liability. Only 1 in 10 million people will ever own a Ferrari. Only one in 5 billion buyers want a pink one. Unless of course you are Barbie. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Junior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 80 Registered: 8-2002 |
Color seems to be a big thing with Ferrari owners... is it just because i'm a non-owner that i would take a ferrari, even if it were sh!t green with yellow interior or am i just a little weird, altogether...? Why is it that a car like that would sell for less because of the color and not sell for more in consideration of the fact that it might be considered rare 10 or 20 years down the line...? | ||
| Howie/ExoticAutoBrokers.com (Brokerofexotics)
Member Username: Brokerofexotics Post Number: 276 Registered: 11-2001 |
Forgetting about the color of this car, the 308 GTBi models are pretty rare. Because of that, it could command a bit more than $ 24,000. Bring in the fact that the color is rather blah, I would say your price of $ 24,000 is about right IMO. | ||
| Pat Pasqualini (Enzo)
Junior Member Username: Enzo Post Number: 101 Registered: 2-2002 |
Whatever happened to Ed has he completly converted over to VetteWorld | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 1964 Registered: 9-2001 |
yeah it would but it says nothing about a recent 30k service - plus I think ebay deals (unless being used only for ads) tend to run a little low on these older cars. Also GTBS do have a certain following. I think Ed sold his GTSi for low 20s recently - red tan | ||
| John Delvac (Johndelvac)
Junior Member Username: Johndelvac Post Number: 156 Registered: 11-2001 |
That is definitly not my favorite color. Is it pink or purple? | ||
| Mitchel DeFrancis (4re308)
Member Username: 4re308 Post Number: 735 Registered: 6-2001 |
That is a beautiful car! I'd say it could bring $22-$24,000, anything under that would show a good value. He has receipts for the car, that is good too. Anything in the teens would be a smoking deal, don't you think TomD, Martin, Howie? | ||
| Pat Pasqualini (Enzo)
Junior Member Username: Enzo Post Number: 100 Registered: 2-2002 |
I think that car has been up for auction in the past couple of months if I recall right. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Junior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 77 Registered: 8-2002 |
But damn, that's a pretty car... | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 1960 Registered: 9-2001 |
not my favorite color, for ebay prob high teens low twenties. it has been repainted. | ||
| ARIE BONSELAAR (Arie)
New member Username: Arie Post Number: 22 Registered: 5-2001 |
ANY IDEA WHAT THIS 308 GTB AT 14,000 MILES ON IT? THINKING ABOUT BIDDING ON IT? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1874211956&category=6212 |