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Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
Member
Username: 308gtb
Post Number: 332
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Monday, December 23, 2002 - 4:36 pm: | |
1976 308 GTB (Fiberglass) S/N 19399
Engine number F106A 01503
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'75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member
Username: Peter
Post Number: 2291
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Monday, December 23, 2002 - 12:08 am: | |
At least you can drink that beer faster with that larger opening Hans! Don't swallow the broken glass-bits though, that would ruin your day... |
Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Member
Username: 4re_gt4
Post Number: 679
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, December 22, 2002 - 10:36 pm: | |
Matt: So damned busy that I don't know which end is up. I just tried to open the wrong end of a beer bottle. |
Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member
Username: Mlemus
Post Number: 1106
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, December 22, 2002 - 9:21 pm: | |
Hi Hans,
Where have you been? |
Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Member
Username: 4re_gt4
Post Number: 677
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, December 22, 2002 - 9:19 pm: | |
'75 'GT4 Ser # 10280, Engine # 01087
It's motor 'type' F106A. |
Bruno (Originalsinner)
Member
Username: Originalsinner
Post Number: 806
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 9:40 am: | |
Matt. You have no problem. In the golden age of Ferrari (pre-fiat) I would be concerned.Not with mass produced 308's. I checked my 78. car #is 26319 engine # is 00737.I know for a fact it is the original engine.this puts your number right on. Sounds likw Wayne researched it for you. You are fine. Need more research email me. |
Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member
Username: Mlemus
Post Number: 1026
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Monday, December 16, 2002 - 8:16 am: | |
Wayne was able to track down some information for me regarding the S/N. All is well in Ferrariland.
Thanks again Wayne!
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Bruno (Originalsinner)
Member
Username: Originalsinner
Post Number: 804
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, December 15, 2002 - 10:44 am: | |
It's awful cold out but I will go check the # on my 78. |
Paul Newman (Newman)
Member
Username: Newman
Post Number: 871
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, December 15, 2002 - 10:23 am: | |
I would say yes but it would be the 76th of the f106AE or of the AL engines, depends on FI or carb and so on. |
Greg Rodgers (Joechristmas)
Member
Username: Joechristmas
Post Number: 547
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, December 15, 2002 - 9:18 am: | |
What exactly does the engine # mean? Since mine is # 00076, then does this mean it was the 76th 308 engine block produced? |
Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Intermediate Member
Username: 91tr
Post Number: 1239
Registered: 1-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, December 15, 2002 - 12:18 am: | |
Then I think you have a non-problem Matt.
(I can't believe I didn't write my ex-'78 engine number down somewhere, but if I was to guess it was something like 00366 on SN 25375 with an F106AE engine.) |
Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member
Username: Mlemus
Post Number: 1024
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 5:38 pm: | |
Steve,
it is F106AE 00384 |
Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Intermediate Member
Username: 91tr
Post Number: 1238
Registered: 1-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 5:28 pm: | |
Matt L. -- Which 308 engine family do you have? The '78 US B/S SPC for the F106AE engine family shows the change for the timing belt drive bearing/seals occurred at n. 00134 so they must have started the numbering sequence over with the new family. (Although if an engine assembly had a minor problem, and needed removal/repair, it might be a while before it got back into the assembly line -- i.e., an earlier engine number in a much later chassis might not be too uncommon IMO). I'm still looking in my ex-records, but IIRC my ex-'78 was also in the low-middle three digit range. |
Paul Newman (Newman)
Member
Username: Newman
Post Number: 859
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 1:41 pm: | |
D'oh! |
Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member
Username: Mlemus
Post Number: 1010
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 1:36 pm: | |
Paul if that is indeed the case, I am still off a few hundred engines. |
Paul Newman (Newman)
Member
Username: Newman
Post Number: 855
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 1:29 pm: | |
I wonder if you could take the 308 vin from the first production model along with the engine number which might be close to 00001 and do some math. You could approximate what engine number would be with what vin. Maybe? |
Paul Newman (Newman)
Member
Username: Newman
Post Number: 854
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 1:28 pm: | |
I was told mine was the original one and it was explained to me once that if I were to replace it with another one close to that number, it could never be discovered to be non-original. I dont think that number is tied to the car, its just close during the time the engine was built with its own numbers that corresponds to the time when the car was built. I think its only going to be an approximation not specific like a domestic matching number car. |
Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member
Username: Mlemus
Post Number: 1006
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 1:22 pm: | |
Paul,
your s/n seems to fit but mine is way off. |
Paul Newman (Newman)
Member
Username: Newman
Post Number: 852
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 1:19 pm: | |
I didnt want to say anything when I saw your engine pics. I kind of felt sorry for you...you know. |
Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member
Username: Mlemus
Post Number: 1004
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 1:14 pm: | |
Is that the reason the cam covers say PONTIAC? |
Paul Newman (Newman)
Member
Username: Newman
Post Number: 850
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 1:14 pm: | |
My 79 GTB is 29007 and the engine # is 01407 |
Paul Newman (Newman)
Member
Username: Newman
Post Number: 849
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 1:08 pm: | |
Matt, the explantion I have come up with to explain the number differences is the rear half of your car is from a 76 that was hit by a train and the front was re-attached using a fiero kit-car front end. |
Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member
Username: Mlemus
Post Number: 1002
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 1:04 pm: | |
Wayne,
You've got mail.
M |
Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member
Username: Mlemus
Post Number: 1001
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 12:41 pm: | |
Thanks Wayne.
I will e-mail you. |
L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Member
Username: Lwausbrooks
Post Number: 569
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 12:23 pm: | |
Matt, these later cars are not really my area of expertise. Do this: email me every scrap of information you have on your car such as ownership history with dates, license plate numbers, etc. I'll use that to see what else I can come up with on the car. I had a similar situation come up on another Ferrari-related chat board regarding a 308 serial number and was able to uncover quite a bit of information (none of it good, though) on that gentleman's 308. Don't worry, I didn't post it. I emailed him privately, of course. |
Greg Rodgers (Joechristmas)
Member
Username: Joechristmas
Post Number: 545
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 8:54 am: | |
My car is #23401 and my engine # is 00076. HTHs. |
Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Member
Username: Mlemus
Post Number: 1000
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 8:04 am: | |
I know of no unusual information about my 308, or anything that would suggest a misnumbered engine.
I am stumped.
Wayne? |
Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Member
Username: Mlemus
Post Number: 999
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 8:03 am: | |
Here is the e-mail.
Hi Matt,
thank you very much for supporting my register project. I am always happy to
receive some "new entries" or updates. Your car is an absolutely new one to
me, so unfortunately I have no early history which I can tell you about.
Some words about the register: So far I have about 1,140 carburetted 308
GTB/S's listed. Regarding a total of 2,897 cars built, there is still much
work waiting for me! I hope you found the info on my website somewhat
interesting. If you have any suggestions what might be added or optimized,
please don't hestitate to tell me. I am updating the site from time to time,
but being pretty busy with my job, I have to find some spare time for it.
The registry is just a hobby, and my 308 GTB (#25859, one of the silver cars
on the gallery page of my website) wants to be driven from time to time,
too... By the way, could you tell me how you came across my website?
If you have a digital picture of your car (.jpg), it would be very nice if
you could send it over attached to an e-mail. As you may imagine, I have a
liking for cars in other colours than red. Is grigio titanio an original
colour of 1978, or has the car been resprayed with a modern paint? I think
the same name is used for a colour of the current Ferrari models.
I have another question regarding the engine no. of your car, which is a bit
unusual, being a three-digit-number. That sounds interesting.
Here are some engine number examples from my database
F106A021*00979* (s/n 23683)
F106A021*01014* (s/n 23993)
F106A021*01083* (s/n 25061)
F106AB021*01131* (s/n 25859)
Could you please recheck that number ? Thanks!
BTW, always remember how lucky you are, living in beautiful California. Over
here in Germany winter is coming, with temperatures of minus 12 degrees
centigrade during the nights right now! Soon we will have snow, so the
Ferrari will be off the street for the next 4 months or so.
Enjoy riding your GTB/S!
Best regards and thanks again for submitting your information,
Robert Retzlaff
308 GTB Register
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Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Member
Username: Mlemus
Post Number: 998
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, December 14, 2002 - 8:00 am: | |
I registered with the 308 register and I recieved an e-mail back with a question regarding my engine number. I had left the 00 off before the 384 and he thought it was only a 3 digit number. This sparked a hughe question with me. the Chassis is 24825 with an engine number of 00384. He replyed with chassis numbers lower then mine but with a higher engine number, in the 900's for a car with a 21000 chassis number. I know the engine is original to the car. Are they all this far off?
I am curious what all your engine/chassis number relation is.
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