| Author | Message | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 880 Registered: 12-2001 |
Gerrit, if we bring enough spares, between the two of us we should have what we need to make it there and back. Maybe get Jay in on it too. Ill help you with your car if thats what it takes (I wont charge you though, I dont need any legal problems). | ||
| Gerrit Visser (Gerritv)
Junior Member Username: Gerritv Post Number: 123 Registered: 6-2001 |
Bruce All food is great. As for liking Americans, I have concluded there are two kinds of people in the world: nice ones and the rest. Doesn't seem to make any difference what country people are from, its splits down that way. If I can get my car to stay together, I might get to NJ myself in the fall. | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 1306 Registered: 4-2002 |
des just make a check out for the jrv health crisis society...all proceeds are tax deductable and help jrv in his mental state..  bruce | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 257 Registered: 8-2002 |
Bruce, together we can get him here...! And Bruce, can i come over, too...? i LOVE italian food... i'll, um, pay for... drinks...? | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 1305 Registered: 4-2002 |
gerrit, no b&b but my wife is scillian, hope you like italian food, also do you like americans?? bruce | ||
| Gerrit Visser (Gerritv)
Junior Member Username: Gerritv Post Number: 122 Registered: 6-2001 |
Bruce, is your house licensed as a B&B? Better be careful else another thread will spin off :-) | ||
| WMontgomery (Fiorano1999)
Junior Member Username: Fiorano1999 Post Number: 80 Registered: 11-2002 |
David Jones aka Jed: Squeaallllllllll piggy!!!!! You brought it on yourself Jed and I fed it back to you in your same illogical thought process. If you can't add value to a thread then stay away from it. You waste people's time. In fact, go start your own site. How about..."www.baldfatpimpledassuneducatedhillbilliesthatclaimtoownferrarisorferrarireplicars.com" or "www.ilovegenniferflowers.com" or "www.hickswhosemotherandsisterarethesame.com"? The next time you feel sorry for someone who has a mortgage why don't you keep it to yourself? Maybe you can avoid making a bigger ass of yourself (no, that isn't possible) and maybe even avoid having Christmas us your ass Jed? Expensivecars.com? LOL I guess I should have stated fat pompous pimpled ass. You should be careful who you say derogatory things to and about Jed, especially in the information age. Someone may not like it Jed. : ) But then again, you'd have to realize what derogatory is, wouldn't you? Obviously, you do not. Oh yeah, please take a course or two to get your vocabulary, grammar and spelling up to the sixth grade level. Christ. Did you ever get your GED? What difference does it make right? You have an EXPENSIVE car and that makes you better than others - in your mind at least. Will Squeallllllllll piggy. | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 1304 Registered: 4-2002 |
not only will DES pay for pauls gas, paul has an invite to stay at my house...watch out DES, he will be a coming..... | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 879 Registered: 12-2001 |
DES, you offered to pay for the fuel, I was kidding. Too far for a ride. The show in NJ was this past august. If its an anual thing chances are, Ill be there this summer coming. I have to find out more about it. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Junior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 250 Registered: 8-2002 |
Paul... i'm not sure where i called your bluff, but if that's a serious offer, i'll see you in the summertime, lunch is on me...! | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 878 Registered: 12-2001 |
DES, you arent supposed to call my bluff. Go to NJ in the summer. If there is another ferrari meet there this summer, look for the ontario plates. That will be me and I can take you for a spin. No charge. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1075 Registered: 8-2002 |
Whatever JRV, Post whatever you like about Eugenio. Call his shop anything you like. I am tired of you. Since you are only hurting yourself, I am dropping this..again. | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 408 Registered: 11-2002 |
Well matty, you told me to check it out with the State & BBB...do you want me to copy & paste your original post? Now that I did as you suggested, and none of the 3 has any record whatsoever that this place exists legally, you change your tune, why is that? Are you trying to slither around like a slippery, slimmey eel? Are you trying to hide things matty?? Hmmmm .....fishy, fishy, fishy !! Could it be that there is no documentation, just like The Bureau of Automotive Repair told me? Isn't that the real reason for this evasiveness and posting frenzy you've adopted? Did I see some posts in the archives about not giving out the address because of working out of someones back yard? A business that doesn't give out their address????????? That's very fishy!!! Do you want me to copy & paste those for you from the archives also? It's no problem if it helps get to the bottom of what's going on here. | ||
| stephen r chong (Ethans_dad)
Junior Member Username: Ethans_dad Post Number: 149 Registered: 3-2002 |
Getting back to Fcars, Matt, did you get some shots of the 512 posted yet? I couldn't find a thread. Congratulations on reaching a milestone in her restoration! I'm really eager to see some pictures! Steve | ||
| Barney Guzzo (Trinacria)
New member Username: Trinacria Post Number: 43 Registered: 8-2002 |
Matt and JRV, you both have some valid points but David has it right. Lets discuss Ferrari's and leave the attacks and colorful metaphors out. You want to call someone about an alleged illeagal business - go ahead, it's your right but don't advertise it here. Just do it and keep it to your self. Matt, every time you write a response you instigate more. Both of you said what you had to say and now you both just keep repeating yourselves. I enjoy some of the spirited and argumentative (when done with respect)parts of FC - but this is silly. | ||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 303 Registered: 3-2001 |
Since I am located in NYC, I will act as the United Nations and impose an end to this conflict. As David Jones said...this is FerrariChat...lets let this issue die. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1072 Registered: 8-2002 |
I just told you to get it yourself...twice. I don't need to help you. BTW - it's called vacation | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 407 Registered: 11-2002 |
Gee matty, for a guy that doesn't care you have "35" posts on this thread...you're like one bionic postin dude. Who do you work for ? Does your boss know you spent your entire day posting about something you don't care about? "35" posts and you didn't answer a simple request...Business Lic #, Address, Legal Name of Business. When someone makes this big of a deal out of such a simple request, it looks mighty fishy, mighty fishy!! And what makes it look the fishiest of all is that you are the one that told me to "check it out" in the first place. And now that I called your Bluff you've turned so beligerent and offensive, very suspicious! | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1068 Registered: 8-2002 |
Sport, you are the only one that cares. Lick your wounds and move on. I guess you did not call Eugenio.... | ||
| Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
Junior Member Username: Tbakowsky Post Number: 99 Registered: 9-2002 |
I think this entire thread needs a license | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1067 Registered: 8-2002 |
<yawn> | ||
| David Jones (Dave)
Member Username: Dave Post Number: 514 Registered: 4-2001 |
Shut down? I ran out of Possum. | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 406 Registered: 11-2002 |
Hey Cowboys, Q--What Floats Like a Butterfly and Stings Like a Bee ?? A-- The Attorney Generals Office !! They fax ya the forms right over... 1-213-897-2000 Did someone say Zoning Violations and Tax Evasion? Waste Oil improperly disposed of ?? EPA? | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 516 Registered: 5-2002 |
Dave's just mad because his unlicensed enchileda restaurant was shut down. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Junior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 237 Registered: 8-2002 |
"...some arrogant, fat, bald, unmannered, classless, rude, hillbilly, that can stick my Christmas up my fat pimpled ass while having a Holiday Whattaburger." ...Dave, there's really no need to call me names... | ||
| David Jones (Dave)
Member Username: Dave Post Number: 513 Registered: 4-2001 |
Jeez guys your getting as bad as Will Montgomery... Why don't we all just tell each other to you know what.... Guys this is Not 14yearoldchat.com It is FerrariChat.com! Some of you guys as well as me, go back the the original site, expensivecar.com... I don't know about you, but I don't come to this site for personal attacks, or kicking sand in someone's face. I come to chat about Ferrari's Not to have some adolescent tell me that I am some arrogant, fat, bald, unmannered, classless, rude, hillbilly, that can stick my Christmas up my fat pimpled ass while having a Holiday Whattaburger. Enough is enough! Have a brew and mellow out.... | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1061 Registered: 8-2002 |
It's raining here....and on JRV's parade LOLOLOLO | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 874 Registered: 12-2001 |
So...nice weather we're having eh? How about those Leafs? Cant wait to drive my beater(Hi Brett S) this spring. The snow is killing me. | ||
| Crusing (Crusing)
New member Username: Crusing Post Number: 39 Registered: 10-2002 |
JRV, What is the big deal with the license???? Seems like the service shop comes highly recommended. That's more than a lot of service shops can say. And if he is not paying a licensing "tax" that's even better. That was just not cool to report him. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1055 Registered: 8-2002 |
"btw: got any more illegal bootleg scams you want to sell on the internet? love to hear about em! " THANK!!!!! That's all I needed. I suggest you seek legal council....Merry Christmas! Oh, I you have not figured it out. Nobody cares about your witch hunt...except you | ||
| Peter Topman (Peter_topman)
New member Username: Peter_topman Post Number: 24 Registered: 8-2002 |
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| JRV (Jrvall)
Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 405 Registered: 11-2002 |
You guys have a problem, take it up with the Calif. State Agencies...they're the ones claiming they have the power & authority to make rules that others have to follow, or suffer the consequences...according to them, ya wanna play, ya gotta sign up an pay!!! one way or the other... Dept of Consumer Affairs & Bureau of Automotive Repair----1-800-952-5210 Attorney General of Calif. ---213-897-2000 So. Cal. BBB---1-909-835-6064 btw: got any more illegal bootleg scams you want to sell on the internet? love to hear about em! | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1054 Registered: 8-2002 |
DES, here is the start of the free jacket joke Matt & Paul, Say what you may, but you gotta lighten up. What kind of answer is that? MARS? Are you try run of other folks off too? Remember, some people here have very thin skin. Yes, I have read the treads & some retaliation to JRV comments are being interrupted the wrong way. I don't understand how phantom BS knowledge on Ferraris count as real world experience & applications don�t work. I've learned math & money don't lie. Working on one type of Ferrari model doesn�t make anyone an expert on the whole product line. A lot of people trust JRV work & their proud of it. Just this past weekend in Collage Station, TX., I had the pleasure of meeting one of JR's customers at TWS. The gentleman brought a 1961 250 GT SWB & was wearing proudly a Pinnacle Motorsports Jacket. After speaking with him, I understood that he owns 4 Ferraris. JR has taken great care of his collection over the years. I would consider a person like that a true Ferrari owner. That said it all for me. Again, end this flame war. PLEASE signed, Not a true ferrari owner because I have not been fleeced by JRV | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Junior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 229 Registered: 8-2002 |
JRV, just drop this part of the subject and ask Matt about the free jacket... then we'll see what's REALLY going on... | ||
| Nebula Class (Nebulaclass)
New member Username: Nebulaclass Post Number: 35 Registered: 11-2002 |
JRV, I don't know you well, but after reading these threads, you sound a hell of a lot like a whiney little b*tch in need of some midol. Give it up, dude. Take a breather, relax, and quit before you do irreparable damage to your reputation. And if you really did call the BBB on this guy, then you have no excuse. You are a whiney pissant who needs to have a lesson taught to. If it's true, I'd love to watch a few big gay guys have their way with your bitchy ass. Punk. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1052 Registered: 8-2002 |
And frankly, I dont give a •••• about who you believe. Just the satisifaction knowing that you trashed yourself to all of your (potential) customers is enough for me...for know. See you in court. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1051 Registered: 8-2002 |
Get the proof from the man you are accusing. Or are you such a puss that you cannot call him yourself.... Big words little man. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Junior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 228 Registered: 8-2002 |
Lemus, you're ridiculous... have a little self respect and just retract your "free-jacket" statement and i'll leave you alone... | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 404 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>>It appears as if, at this point in my investigation that the State of California has no record of a certian low priced Ferrari Repair Facility that you reccomend here often, and chose to create a problem with me over. I took the time friday to call California and speak with 3 different entities, The Dept. of Consumer Affairs, The Bureau of Automotive Repairs and the So.Cal. BBB. Seems this certian enterprise is somewhere under the radar screen at all 3. <<< You callin the state agencies liars sport? Prove they're lying! That should be easy enough for a licensed business to do! Personally....if I have to choose who to believe...The Official State registration Entities or you...I'm pickin the State Agencies. Could be a mix up...provide proof the state agencies are wrong. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1050 Registered: 8-2002 |
"Of course you could have just posted the info I requested right off the bat if it existed, and shown the agencies the err of their ways, so why didn't you?" It's your obsession, not mine. Get the information yourself. I do not owe you anything. BTW, there will not be a third request for retraction....All bets are of at that point. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1049 Registered: 8-2002 |
JRV, Second notice Care to issue a retraction statement? | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1048 Registered: 8-2002 |
Oh my god. Read the second post..... JRV, Maybe you should call him yourself. http://www.ferrariclub.com/rolodex/?letter=E I am assuming you can scroll down to find the number. If not, ask a friend' I am not you lacky. If you want it soooo bad.. Get it your fucking self. You are the only one obsessed about this. No one is jumping on your bandwagon so it's all you sport | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 401 Registered: 11-2002 |
Matt, You come up with a business license # yet? If so call the Bureau of Automotive Repairs and explain the situation to them. 1-800-952-5210 Also the Attorney Generals Office....they'll want to see the same documentation I'm sure...1-213-897-2000 When you have straightened out all the Agencies by all means post that proof of a legal licensed business here so we can all see it. Of course you could have just posted the info I requested right off the bat if it existed, and shown the agencies the err of their ways, so why didn't you? | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1046 Registered: 8-2002 |
Care to issue a retraction statement JRV? | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Junior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 226 Registered: 8-2002 |
Ok, Matt, i'll shut up, now... | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1045 Registered: 8-2002 |
Tom... one is....just waiting for JRV to pull the trigger... | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1044 Registered: 8-2002 |
DES 1. General Ferrari Discussion: Matt L. help me out here � , um... 's free jacket, ...? � , kick backs, free service, Free ... Jacket, discount air � , any information , free jacket...? 's � say free jacket...? Matt, bad mood � try forget about free jacket... Matching Posts: 7, Relative Score 100% 2. General Ferrari Discussion: Archives: Archive through April 02, 2002: Pendant � offered pendant jacket free certain dollar ... violation? [Ferrarijacket.jpg] Matching Posts: 1, Relative Score 13% 3. Technical Q&A: Archives: Archive through July 15, 2002: Question for Ric Rainbolt � want ensure leak-free seal, assembly ... pressure test water jacket? . test sealing Matching Posts: 1, Relative Score 13% 4. Technical Q&A: Archives: Archive through April 06, 2002: Procedure to Lighten Clutch? 76 308 � moving smoothly/freely outer jacket. . ... rotating freely/. . throw- Matching Posts: 1, Relative Score 13% 5. Technical Q&A: Archives: Archive through July 15, 2002: Proper method to install cylinder liner o-rings � grease antrifreeze. Don't ... liners, coolant jacket pressure test fully Matching Posts: 1, Relative Score 13% 6. General Ferrari Discussion: Archives: Archive through November 06, 2002: Embarrassing Ferrari Stories � france, formal, jacket tie required . ... 39;hotel. ask table free. looks looks car. Matching Posts: 1, Relative Score 12% 7. Technical Q&A: Flat Crank Ferrari Timing??? � Motorsports Jacket. After speaking , ... Motors hand free jackets feel good. " Matching Posts: 1, Relative Score 12% 8. General Ferrari Discussion: Archives: Archive thru 2001: 360 Modena on Autobahn and through Alps � 12,500. weeks, ,000 free kilometers. ... ;.e. t-shirt, polo, jacket, ). don't Matching Posts: 1, Relative Score 12% | ||
| Peter Topman (Peter_topman)
New member Username: Peter_topman Post Number: 23 Registered: 8-2002 |
jvr, some numbers for you to call: Houston Area Mental Health (713) 224-1466 101 Crawford St. Houston Houston Psychotherapy & Cnslng (713) 782-4657 7660 Woodway Dr. #315 Houston Make sure they're licensed. Take one of your customers cars if you have to and GO ! (assuming there's a car there to take...hmmm doubt it... ..better yet, have your apprentice take you) Stay there as long as necessary. Please ! Have your apprentice pick you up (then again, he may just leave you there) | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 2063 Registered: 9-2001 |
with all this back and forth, I would have thought som laywers were involved. Prob best to let this die. Poor eugenio will be put out of business once the BBB shows up. That is almost as bad as calling the IRS on someone you don't know. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1043 Registered: 8-2002 |
JRV, Have you ever worked on a friends car on the weekend or off shop hours and charged them?..If so... you are committing a crime as well. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Junior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 225 Registered: 8-2002 |
Matt, that's actually pretty clever, but why don't you go look up "free" & "jacket"... do you have the marbles to post the definitions for those two words...? Hmmm...? | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 400 Registered: 11-2002 |
Here's the numbers matt...call em up and tell them you've changed all the rules. You've decided along with your FC buddies to break any laws you feel like. Read em the riot act and tell them how full of it they are. Dept of Consumer Affairs & Bureau of Automotive Repair----1-800-952-5210 So. Cal. BBB---1-909-835-6064 | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1042 Registered: 8-2002 |
JRV, Have someone read this to you..... Main Entry: 2slander Function: noun Etymology: Middle English sclaundre, slaundre, from Old French esclandre, from Late Latin scandalum stumbling block, offense -- more at SCANDAL Date: 14th century 1 : the utterance of false charges or misrepresentations which defame and damage another's reputation 2 : a false and defamatory oral statement about a person Main Entry: 1li�bel Pronunciation: 'lI-b&l Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, written declaration, from Middle French, from Latin libellus, diminutive of liber book Date: 14th century 1 a : a written statement in which a plaintiff in certain courts sets forth the cause of action or the relief sought b archaic : a handbill especially attacking or defaming someone 2 a : a written or oral defamatory statement or representation that conveys an unjustly unfavorable impression b (1) : a statement or representation published without just cause and tending to expose another to public contempt (2) : defamation of a person by written or representational means (3) : the publication of blasphemous, treasonable, seditious, or obscene writings or pictures (4) : the act, tort, or crime of publishing such a libel I can look for some more��. I am throughly convinced now that you are part and parcel with this service scam. WOW...matty...I see you'll go to extreme lenghts to schill for this scam. So sad really. I don't care if who ever is paying you a commish does 30K's for free Ahhh matty me boy ...up Schillin early today I see Now say again I work for Eugenio and I am part of a scam....come on.....say it AGAIN.... Push me... | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Junior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 224 Registered: 8-2002 |
This is ridiculous... Lemus, you're just blabbing all that non-sense to try and make me forget about the free jacket... | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1041 Registered: 8-2002 |
Arlie, sounds like sour grapes..... M | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1040 Registered: 8-2002 |
"I uncovered an Illegal Business masquerading as a legal business and reported the scam to the proper authorities. I uncovered those who are promoting illegal business's and exposed them. " Well captain, are you going to fill us in or are you bullshitting again...... Look up the words... LIBEL and SLANDER in the dictionary.....Keep pushing... | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 513 Registered: 5-2002 |
I never heard a thing Paul. Amazing how everybody has to have a "license" to know anything. I'll bet if some guy was trapped in a burning wreck at the side of the road, he wouldn't care if I was a registered fireman or a licensed doctor as long as I helped him out of his predicament. And it didn't matter whether the fruit stand and the grocery store were on the same coast or not. They were still subject to national price fixing laws, free trade laws, Sherman anti-trust act provisions, etc. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1039 Registered: 8-2002 |
�I'm saddened by the lack of civic responsibilty displayed here, speaks volumes about you who condone illegal business's.� Let�s review some of JRV highlights shall we� From http://server.ferrarichat.com/~ferrari/ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/112/180995.html?1039733864 >>>Its made from a special alloy only found on mars.<<< There ya go just makin stuff up again paul. I get the feeling this is a chronic thing with you. Instead of just making up BS, why don't you spend the same time learning the real answers? Ignorance doesn't have to be a permanent condition ya know. A favorite of mine� C'mon you flaming loser put up or shut up punk ! Get your flaming buddies to take up a collection for you if you can't come up with the $5 bucks asswipe ! ;-) With the followup�. To Peter Logli, I'm also saddened at the digression of this thread and offer my appology, however this is no reflection on your post. If not this thread then it would have been another. Personal agendas have been offened with truth, now small people seek to extract revenge, the Honor of BS must be defended (yea I know, what is the Honor of BS, only the BS artists can answer that). This is a very typical scenario common to all message lists and will play itself out in time hopefully. Wow....a couple of you guys are hard core flame artists I see. Peter, you care to put your money where your mouth is (well not exactly where your mouth is...lol) and make a wager on the condition of my business ? How bout $5K bucks....or if you're the broke d!ck I suspect you are $5 bucks..you on sport? There's a list member that can swing by and report back to you! you guys have posted some pretty serious BS and sure aren't handling the responces very well....do you really think throwing temper tantrums or trying to create a conscensus by posting more BS is going to change the truth or get you anywhere? doesn't look like gang warfare is having any better results this time around than the last time it was used on me in the BS cheaper than dirt 30K service thread. some are much slower learners than others it appears...;-) Oh now Paul that hurts....:-(.... If it'll make you feel better...(i forget to be warm & fuzzy, touchy, feely for sensitive people sometimes) Ferrari's have forged cranks or whatever kind of crank you think you saw in one once and I'm a broke down street urchin living under a bridge( not that there's anything wrong with that)..oh yea, and I'm ugly too, and even my friends don't like me...how's that? And from http://server.ferrarichat.com/~ferrari/ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/21/173976.html The guy writes you a 10K word self serving diatribe just in time for another post by you and you have no affiliation? Just happened to see a thread ?? Shops itemize only to screw customers ???? Ferrai's are easier to work on than toyotas??? WTF ??? Unbelievible !!! I itemized every operation with corresponding times that prove a 30K takes at least 52 hours to complete correctly and your response is Ferrari's are easier to work on than toyotas and the world is conspiring to screw Ferrari owners except for you and honest eugenio????? I am throughly convinced now that you are part and parcel with this service scam. WOW...matty...I see you'll go to extreme lenghts to schill for this scam. So sad really. I'm not sure I can feel sorry for those that fall victim to the scam though. You get what you pay for in this world. And if it sounds to good to be true it probably is. matty...what's the labor rate in LA. and BTW sport...the book times are what the factory pays the dealers on warranty claims and does not reflect the actual time it takes in the real world to perform most operations in a quality manner... So how does one do an entire legitamte 30K for less than the cost of labor alone ??? Of course we know the answer to that dion't we....magic of course. I don't care if who ever is paying you a commish does 30K's for free....but don't confuse Bullshit with what Comprehensive Professional Service is all about!!!! The half price specials are a scam. As borne out by the numbers just as I said they would be. Man matty are you still flappin your beak...Sheeessshhhh.. The math doesn't support your outlandish claims sport...don't worry....that's not really a used cam belt on "your" car. You know, you got the wink and the high five bro. LOL Thanks matty boy...."you don't care"...that's what I thought!!! That was my other point. As long as you think you're getting something for nothing, you're happy. Why didn't you just say so rather than trying to BS me. You LA boyz sure are smart and cool and good shoppers. LOL BTW boyz..now that there's 3 of you can you please itemize all the numbers and make your LA New Math work. We need those numbers guys not this same old tired sales pitch bla bla drove from bla bla...surely between the three of you you can come up with a calculator and some hard numbers. LOL Just for you peter since you want to play games I'm going to make the complete list of Hours and Operations and Parts and Fluids....then you can tell us which items you get for free or were done with low overhead magic. Or maybe just get screwed out of ? ;-) Hokey Dokey sport. I'm not refering to anyone. Don't know them and probably never will. But I do know 'half price Ferrari service' stories and exactly what they're all about. You guys don't have a corner on the magic market, it's everywhere and has been around for eons. If you and your friends want to believe in magic, that's your right. However, instead of confronting me with your insistance magic exists, why didn't you prove me wrong with math? This is not personal or about personalities with me...for me it's only about reality. And the reality of the Math says it can't be done Fully & Properly for $2.5-$3K...so if you want to argue...argue with the math. And the basic math goes like this 55 Hrs + Parts & Fluids... now I know ways some could cheat those numbers....do you? You should put some of those on your website. That will get the customers in. | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 872 Registered: 12-2001 |
Good one arlie but was the grocery store on one coast and the apple stand on the other? I do repair jobs on the side for cash, hope some one in BC doesnt get pis*ed off an tell on me. Ooops, I let my secret out! | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 511 Registered: 5-2002 |
A fairy tale: There once was a man who bought tasty apples from the road side fruit stand. The apples were delicious. Then one day, the man stopped by the fruit stand and it was CLOSED. It seems that somebody who owned a HIGH PRICED grocery store had complained to the state health department that the fruit stand was ILLEGAL and UNLICENSED. So the fruit stand was closed forever and nobody could every buy any tasty apples anywhere except the HIGH PRICED grocery store. And the HIGH PRICED grocery store owner lived happily ever after. The moral of the story: The HIGH PRICED grocery store owner does not like competition. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Junior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 221 Registered: 8-2002 |
JRV, do YOU have any information for me, on a free jacket...? someone's holding out on me, i just know it... | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 399 Registered: 11-2002 |
Hey Gang, I'm saddened by the lack of civic responsibilty displayed here, speaks volumes about you who condone illegal business's. I uncovered an Illegal Business masquerading as a legal business and reported the scam to the proper authorities. I uncovered those who are promoting illegal business's and exposed them. You guys don't want to follow the laws that's your business, but don't cry foul when you get caught. | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 1301 Registered: 4-2002 |
man this is like a english course... words like partner, kitten,cowboys...sport...jrv mustve been an english teacher with all these nouns...... | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Junior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 220 Registered: 8-2002 |
So, um... there's no free jacket, then...? | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1038 Registered: 8-2002 |
"heck...they deserve a good laugh once in awhile to ya know." I guess your right kitten, They still must be shaking their heads wondering why a washed up drunkard from Texas is so intrested in a little shop in LA rather then working on cars in his own state. If you can wake up from your drunken haze and reread your original post, all it says is a lot of "if". Not cutting edge drama. How many more customers do you want to loose before you drop this... or the bottle | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1037 Registered: 8-2002 |
What have you found? What bombshell do you have? The only thing you have proven is that you are a prick. Both professionally and personally. Take the crumbcake from your mouth with your puggy fingers and wash it down with some Jack Daniels and order your lackys to charge for jacking up a car or something stupid like that. | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 398 Registered: 11-2002 |
Matt, in the previous thread on magic, you told me to call the agencies and BBB and check him out so I did...just following your recc sport....so now if you don't like what I found I suggest you call The Bureau of Automotive Repair and the Calif. Attorney General and give them a piece of your mind...heck...they deserve a good laugh once in awhile to ya know. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1036 Registered: 8-2002 |
Did you get the guts to call him sport? Or is business that bad that you can't afford the call now. | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 397 Registered: 11-2002 |
Hey Cowboys....hate to have to be the one that lets you know...but the open range has been dead for A Long Time!!!! You don't want Auto Repair to be regulated and licesened...write your State Repreprsentatives & local City Councils and have the laws overturned or repealed...or take your cases up with the court system... But as it stands....auto repair has to be licensed or it's ILLEGAL!!!! You don't like the rules & laws in America go some place else!!! FRAUD IS FRAUD!!!! Maybe you should gather this group up in person and pickett in front of the Calif. Attorney Generals Office!!!! | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1035 Registered: 8-2002 |
So JRV, Did you get someone to read the posts for you are you going to have an apprentice help you? Better yet, Get some non Ferrari owners to dictate to us on how, where, and how much to get service for our cars done. According to your "helper" we are not true Ferrari owners. Come back with another stupid remark sport and look like a horses ass. I found the post for you selling your shop. Let me guess, the "other reason" for selling your shop is YOUR LACK OF CUSTOMERS! http://server.ferrarichat.com/~ferrari/ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/21/157928.html Seems others have heard about your �unusual nature� Do us all a favor sport, Sell your shop, turn off your computer, sober up and go to Anger Management. LOLOLOLOLO | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Junior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 217 Registered: 8-2002 |
Paul, split it...? i'll pay the whole f*ckin' gas bill...! | ||
| joe saldana (Ironjoe)
Junior Member Username: Ironjoe Post Number: 140 Registered: 12-2001 |
Mechanics class at local community college for automotive $300.00....Basic tool set $1000.00 Include Motorcycle class $200.00...... WORKING ON FERRARI YOURSELF........PRICELESS | ||
| dan (Dan_curtis)
New member Username: Dan_curtis Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2002 |
If Ferrari book times were not bullsh!t then why can a major Ferrari dealer in the UK drop their cambelt service price from 3,500 to 1,500???????? It was simply because the independents do the same job for 1000!!! Its good to hear people are getting a reasonable price for their servicing and not paying rip off Ferrari book times! | ||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 301 Registered: 3-2001 |
BobD, I was not referring to Eugenio. | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
Member Username: Bobd Post Number: 848 Registered: 3-2001 |
I'm not even sure it's a book-time issue. There are a lot of owners here who praise Eugenio... and have for a long time. The guy obviouly does a great job and stands behind his work... and his prices are reasonable. What else matters? There's nothing to challenge here. Personally, I wish Eugenio would move to Dallas. | ||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 300 Registered: 3-2001 |
Yes, an air filter change will take 15 minutes...that is not an issue. But 1 hour to change oil and oil filter? I change the oil and oil filter on my 355 Challenge Car after each track event...it takes me around 15 minutes. 2 bolts to drain the oil, and around 1 - 2 minutes to change a filter. Maybe I am missing something that I am not aware of. Is lifting the car part of the labor charge? If so, then I guess it could take 20 minutes to do an oil and filter change. I think what has happened, is that JRV uses book time. I think this is the issue here. | ||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 299 Registered: 3-2001 |
JRV...I am an impartial individual to this whole thing, and I have just started to read the original thread. I see that you believe it is 22 hours for Removal and Replacement of a 348 motor? I am handy with cars, and did a major service on my 348 Challenge Car. The first time I did it, under the guidance of my mechanic friend, I had the motor out in 4 hours, and it took me 5 hours to replace it. The second time I did a major service on it, it took me less than 4 hours to remove it and it took me 4 hours to replace it. For the record, the work I did was very well done. To prove that, I only used this car on the track, and was able to compete with the track records for a 348 Challenge Car on several tracks, with zero mechanical issues. I believe that Ferrari Service Departments use the book time of 20 hours R & R for a 348 motor. CLEARLY, this is not the case. Book time for a 348 clutch is 10 hours. My friend replaced the clutch on my old 348 Challenge Car in 1 1/2 hours. I think the issue here is what is book time (time in which money is paid for taking care of the task), and what is real time worked and billed out. I will continue to read the old post, but right off the bat, if you cannot do a R & R of a 348/355 in a total of 10 or less hours, including the undertray, (and that is NOT being rushed), your qualifications as a mechanic are questionable. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1032 Registered: 8-2002 |
and continued here http://server.ferrarichat.com/~ferrari/ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/112/180995.html?1039733864 | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1031 Registered: 8-2002 |
Matt http://server.ferrarichat.com/~ferrari/ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/21/173976.html | ||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 298 Registered: 3-2001 |
Will someone please refer me to the thread where this problem originated? | ||
| Peter Topman (Peter_topman)
New member Username: Peter_topman Post Number: 22 Registered: 8-2002 |
Psychology of a dum dum�� AHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhh, the joy of READING BETWEEN the Jay thee aRe and the Vee First : He must not have any cars to work on (it�s obvious, and it�s obvious why))))) And god save the owners of those cars he is working on cuz he�s spending ALL his time here, instead of doing work ! - Every mechanic I know of, Ferrari or otherwise, is busy as hell (except of course our very own beloved v r j??? geeee, I wonder why ? ) Second : The only guy that ever came to his defense doesn�t even own a Ferrari. Sad but true. (1/24th scale models don�t count) Third : I think he (secretly) actually resents the fact that there is even a FerrariChat and resents the whole purpose of FC. I think he hates it deep down inside, that there is camaraderie here, and has set out to undermine it, unless of course, he can be the big bully on the street. (probably some issues from childhood) Fourth : He tends to steer and manipulate every argument into a direction where he can be the bully, and only involves himself in arguments he can win. He doesn�t really want to contribute, he wants to be a bully. He stays away from other topics in FC (as you can see) where he cannot be the bully or where his knowledge is limited, very limited. Fifth : The best he�s been able to come up with from a technical standpoint is �volkswagon oil nuts� or something like that. WOW !!!�.. NASA should hire this GUY !!!! Sixth : He�s not as smart as he claims. (please reread �Fifth� item above so you can get the hint�read as many times as necessary ! or, have your apprentice read it to you) Seventh : And then again, maybe he�s just a plain old A__HOLE. BLAH ! | ||
| Tillman Strahan (Tillman)
Junior Member Username: Tillman Post Number: 230 Registered: 11-2001 |
JRV, I've got to agree with Bruce here. I'm in your target market: I own a Ferrari, I want good service, I live in Texas, and I'm not particularly price sensitive. I've heard good things about your shop. However, and no offense intended, but you're really coming across as a crank here with this obsession with Ferrari repair prices in California. Why do you care what people are paying half a continent away? If you're booked and busy, does it really matter if someone in So. Cal. is charging less? Before you go off on me, please note that I am not associated with any Fcar repair facility. In fact, I'm actively deciding right now which one will be "home" to my car. So, I really don't have a stake in your fight with Matt. I just thought I'd tell you how you're looking to your potential customers. Take care. | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 1293 Registered: 4-2002 |
jrv why waste your time on trivial garbage, you run a business in texas, so why the hell do you car about california( im scratching my head), who cares...... there is no explanation to be given here jrv nor nothing to prove...get off the crank and stick to fixing cars in texas...this looks bad for your business in texas for other f-chat owners living in texas... | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 2056 Registered: 9-2001 |
man, I read the crank post but I guess not carefully. things seem to be really heated up. hopefully you guys can work this out. No need to launch investigations into people's mechanics. I am going to do a background check on my mechanic in case I ever want to run for public office lol | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 870 Registered: 12-2001 |
Actually its silver and thanks. It would take a little while to get from Toronto to NYC. Probably cost me $600 in gas round trip. Wanna split it? | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Junior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 205 Registered: 8-2002 |
What about you, Paul...? You have the pretty, blue 308... let's go for a ride...! | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 869 Registered: 12-2001 |
I dont think he would drive his car to NY if he was jolly. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Junior Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 201 Registered: 8-2002 |
Did someone say free jacket...? Matt, does this bad mood you seem to be in mean that you won't drive to NY and let me see your car...?  | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1023 Registered: 8-2002 |
How about this sport, Do a search on this site with the keyword Eugenio's ferrari service and let me know how many of those posts are mine, you will be suprised. If you cannot figure out how to do that, I will color some pictures for you and mail them. let your dim light shine buddy. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1022 Registered: 8-2002 |
I really feel bad for JRV, Maybe you should have someone reread the posts again or finish the 4th grade so you can understand what I am saying. M | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1021 Registered: 8-2002 |
No JRV I am not. I work for a school district.. I am not a mechanic. Now I know what you are up to. Your looking for something that is not there. I will post this AGAIN. No affiliation, bla bla bla. Have someone read this for you in case you cannot. | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 389 Registered: 11-2002 |
Are you using this site to promote Illegal business activities matt? | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1019 Registered: 8-2002 |
I am done with him and this debate. I dropped it weeks ago and for some reason he want's to bring it up again. <yawn> If he wants info, he can dig for it. I am not his lacky. 14 here praise Eugenio, 1 here for Free Jacket boy, nuff said | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 864 Registered: 12-2001 |
Now you've done it, you just gave him another day's worth of research. Guess the cars will have to wait. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1018 Registered: 8-2002 |
I guess he had a lot of spare time on Friday to rack up those long distance calls. That's gotta hurt the bottom line. | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 863 Registered: 12-2001 |
Oh, ok Matt, thanks for clearing that up. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1017 Registered: 8-2002 |
Paul, There is a huge differance. You were investigating construction of a crankshaft, JRV was trying to save face after acting like a spoiled little kid that gets teased in a schoolyard for all the Ferrari owners in Texas to see. M | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 861 Registered: 12-2001 |
Hi JRV, I thought you had left us. I was busy doing that crank investigation and you were up to your neck in buisness fraud investigation. We are alot alike. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1016 Registered: 8-2002 |
BTW JRV, No affiliation, No kick backs, No free service, no Free Jacket, and no discount on air filter changes. Nothing at all. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1015 Registered: 8-2002 |
JRV, Maybe you should call him yourself. http://www.ferrariclub.com/rolodex/?letter=E I am assuming you can scroll down to find the number. If not, ask a friend | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 386 Registered: 11-2002 |
A few things that I said that caused quite a controversy had me slightly perplexed, then led to an attempt at character assassination which I don't take kindly to, for all the obvious reasons. So I did some homework. It appears as if, at this point in my investigation that the State of California has no record of a certian low priced Ferrari Repair Facility that you reccomend here often, and chose to create a problem with me over. I took the time friday to call California and speak with 3 different entities, The Dept. of Consumer Affairs, The Bureau of Automotive Repairs and the So.Cal. BBB. Seems this certian enterprise is somewhere under the radar screen at all 3. After a lenghty and interesting conversation with The Bureau of Automotive Repairs...the state licensing entity thru which all Auto Repair Facilities must be licensed in Calif. (according to what I was told), not one bit of info could be found to establish the 'legality' and legitamacy of this certian Ferrari Repair Facility...which would make it appear at this point that some type of Illegal Bootleg Operation may be afoot. The results aren't definative yet that a bootleg operation is trying to make it's way into the legitimate mainstream so if you can provide some evidence of a legitamate, licensed, legal business it would be appreciated. I think it's in the best interest of all concerned to establish what is going on, so that people aren't taken in, or defrauded by bootleg repair shops or licensed repair shops any more than being scammed with phony serial numbered cars. If a bootleg operation is going on, then I can see plenty of areas of concern that owners might want to consider before handing over the keys to their valuable possesion. At a minimum they deserve to have real information to base their decisions on imo. So Matt, since you seem to be the closest to this certian operation could you provide some details to clear up this matter? While I'm waiting for definative answers from the Ca. state agencies. 1) exact business name & DBA if any 2) address 3) copy of business license or # of lic. 4) entities where business is registered 5) tax id # 6) waste disposal certificate # TIA Dept of Consumer Affairs & Bureau of Automotive Repair----1-800-952-5210 So. Cal. BBB---1-909-835-6064 |