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| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 2301 Registered: 12-2000 |
I think about it now Hans and you're right, I've seen 412's with black bumpers. But the wheels are dead give-aways (Since they only fit the ABS-brake-equiped hubs). | |||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 694 Registered: 4-2002 |
Again, you can't use bumpers as an identification on 400/412. They had to be added/modified to meet US DOT requirements, and each grey market converter did it differently. I don't think I've seen two alike. | |||
| Francisco J. Quinones (Frankie)
Junior Member Username: Frankie Post Number: 129 Registered: 8-2002 |
Testarossa had black lower moldings and front spoiler,512 is body colored also a great way to tell if a testarossa has been painted or the front spoler suffered some "curb rash". 512M wheels look almost exactly like 1993 trans-am wheels,except they're 3 piece wheels and 18 's. (fugly imho) I believe 308 turbo's have intercooler intakes in front of rear wheels. 400 front bumpers look added on,412's are integrated into the body similar to the 308-328 change,also 412's have 16" wheels similar to the 328's. Bart,"color keyed" means that the headlight assembly matches the rest of the exterior body color,like on 360's,"slats" are the vent grilles behind the wheels on the fenders,"naca ducts" are heat extracting ducts,the vents on top of the front trunk clamshell on F40's are true naca ducts,but sometimes other vents are called this as well. 575's have body colored lower trim,spoiler,skirts rear valance,550's are usually black,as well as a new fascia and wheels plus interior redesign,bigger hood scoop,larger grille and different front spoiler. incidentally,lately i've noticed that on european versions of the 360,550 and 575 they seem to have headlight washers on the front bumpers but i've never noticed this on U.S. cars before,is it an option or we just don't get them? they're the pop-up jet type from what i can tell. any info on this? tia Oh yeah,the very early cars were all handbuilt one at a time,so no two cars were ever identical in all respects,they used whatever batch of parts they had on hand, i think. correct me if i'm wrong but i think 355's have a longer wheelbase than 348's. actually,correct me on any of this,i'm working from my feeble memory.  | |||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 3055 Registered: 12-2000 |
Any contributions from the day time users, this was an active thread last night. | |||
| Greg Rodgers (Joechristmas)
Member Username: Joechristmas Post Number: 552 Registered: 3-2001 |
308s it can be done. 2V inj. and the 83 QV all have black pillars near the windshield. The 84' and 85' QVs have the same color painted as the car. 2V inj. cars don't have the extra front air vent on the front bonnet. Most 2V inj. cars don't have 16 inch wheels. The list goes on but I HTHs. | |||
| Bart Boonacker (Sharky666)
Junior Member Username: Sharky666 Post Number: 118 Registered: 9-2002 |
I looked up some pictures to make it a bit more clear on some subjects: 512TR vs 512M (rear ends, pretty different, lights but also the rear deck lid): http://www.geocities.com/umdslee/ferrari/feb8512trredback.jpg VS http://www.geocities.com/umdslee/ferrari/f512m.jpg Testarossa vs 512 TR (bumpers, also see the bottom of the bumper, Testa is black, 512TR is �normal�) : http://www.testarossa.nl/gallery/testarossa_red_front.jpg vs http://www.testarossa.nl/gallery/512tr_red_front.jpg Ahh well, just check out http://www.testarossa.nl/gallery.html, you can find almost all types there and then you can compare them yourself. | |||
| Bart Boonacker (Sharky666)
Junior Member Username: Sharky666 Post Number: 117 Registered: 9-2002 |
I could do some searching on the net if you'd like more pictures with the differences. I hope my home connection is working again so I can upload the pictures easier. btw Rob, I tried to edit my post, but I think because of the upload image, all I saw in the text box was this : \ attachment_alreadyuploaded{,,,,,} No text only that string (I added a space after the \ because otherwise it made a picturebox with a red cross and (k) in it) Therefor I couldn't edit my previous post | |||
| Bart Boonacker (Sharky666)
Junior Member Username: Sharky666 Post Number: 116 Registered: 9-2002 |
Rob, this is one great topic. As for me, I'm just a big Ferrari-newbie, so this is great to read. I normally look on the internet for several pictures of for instance the 512TR and a 512M and then I just look over the pictures seeing if I can find some differences, but with this it becomes a lot easier, now I know were to look. Maybe it's an idea to put some pictures in "Research" with different types next to each other, and then point out the differences ? Some of the words you guys mentioned I don't understand, would any1 like to explain those ? These are : "slats behind the read wheels" (read=rear I guess, but slats ?), no NACA ducts ??, colour keyed ??. About the headlights of a 575 and a 550, I put then both in a picture. (sorry for the bad quality but I couldn't save it into a .jpg so I had to make it a 256 colour file to fit the max. kb's)
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| Eric Vartanian (Evartanian)
Junior Member Username: Evartanian Post Number: 66 Registered: 3-2002 |
Sorry if I'm being repetitive, but here's my assessment: 308 vs 328: the bumpers are a giveaway, and the front-hood slats--on the 328 they're shorter and only on the middle of the hood, I don't believe any 308's had them only on the hood. Early 308's had slats only over the fenders, while the QVs, and correct me if I'm wrong, I believe had the hood and fender slats. Testarossa vs. 512TR vs. 512M: The Testarossa and the 512TR are probably the most confusable. The front bumpers are clearly different with the 512 having it one piece and more modern grill and single, large clear light treatment. The F512 M is outrageously different in my opinion. Front bumper different with round air dam/grill, round fog lights and blinkers similar to 355, cutout/scoops on the hood, wheels, round tail lights. The interiors are progressively more modern, not sure of the details. 550 vs 575: 575 has subtly larger hood scoop, different wheels, no lights in grill, different headlights. Not sure with the Boxers or the Mondials, but I've wondered before. I am also very interested in distinguishing between the classics. I have some trouble with them i.e. the 250's etc. but I'm becoming more interested and I think the more I look into it, I'll slowly learn. But, hopefully this thread will point out some of these differences. Eric | |||
| Ben Lobenstein 90 TR (Benjet)
Member Username: Benjet Post Number: 944 Registered: 1-2001 |
IIRC the 575 has three lights in each of the the headlight pods (as opposed to the 550 having 2 - upon reflection maybe the layout was just different), this was the single clear thing in my mind that said 575 over 550. Anyone with pics of just the headlight assemblies to show and tell? I'll add more as I come up with clear and definitive things (that others haven't already pointed out). -Ben | |||
| RyanK (Ryanab)
Junior Member Username: Ryanab Post Number: 186 Registered: 3-2002 |
TR - 512, I always look at the front bumper. 512M has the 'exposed' headlights and diff rims. 550 - 575, I saw two 575's in late Nov at Brian Jessel in Vancouver for the first time.. Great cars, 575 has a redesigned front allowing more air flow and giving it a more agressive look.. Body colored front lights (i'm not a huge fan of these) and diff rims. Most people cannot tell the difference between the two, but that isn't a bad thing. Although, I will stick with the 550 IMO. Happy Holidays, Ryan | |||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 689 Registered: 4-2002 |
Can't do 400/412 based upon bumpers. They were all changed upon US certification. Saw a REALLY ugly 412 at FofHouston with what looked like steel U-channels for bumpers. Testarossa .vs. 512TR - the entire rear deck lid is different, with the "flying buttresses" not going all the way to the end on one. 308GT4 .vs. 208GT4 (as in "who cares") - 208 has silver hood grille, and black instrument panel, as well as other things. Also, usual 'GT4 Euro .vs. US thing, as all 208s were Euro. | |||
| David J. Smith (Darkhorse512)
Junior Member Username: Darkhorse512 Post Number: 89 Registered: 10-2002 |
208/308 or 328/328 turbo I think have small intake veins on the lower panels ahead of the rear wheel arches. 400/412 The top trunk lid line is about 2 inches taller on the 412. 348/348Special,<~~Exposed tail light assembly, molded racing seats, and rear wheels that are wider or more flush to body panels. Mondial, 8 to 3.2 Color keyed bumper, 3rd U.S. brake light and convex rims. 3.2 to T Except for the hood all body panels are molded more smoothly including color keyed door handles, smaller side intakes and rectangular headlight assembly. Complete interior rework with a more 348 like treatment. 550/575M New wheels, Smoother dashboard, color keyed head light assembly 365BB/512BB The wheelbase on the 512 is about 2 inches longer than the 365. It can be seen by the panel gap at the leading edge of the engine lid by the rear wheel arches. 512 also has a front chin spoiler. | |||
| David P. Smith (Dave330gtc)
Junior Member Username: Dave330gtc Post Number: 60 Registered: 3-2002 |
330 GTC has front fender side vents while the 365 GTC has vents on the hood instead. | |||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 2296 Registered: 12-2000 |
-308/328: The body-coloured bumpers. Hard to miss that. -Testarossa/512TR: Painted sills and air-dam. Separate, clear signal/fog lights up front. Has a softer appearance overall (I find that hard to describe further). -512TR/F512M: Four round tailights on the back of the 'M and those stupid-looking head lights as well. Goofy looking wheels too on the 'M. I'm really disappointed with Pinninfarina and the 'M. What a dismal way to end the Boxer series. But from the sounds of it, it was the best Boxer ever... -550/575: The front has a chunkier nose and the head light buckets are body-coloured on the 575. -348/355: Ditto -365/512/512BBi: The 365 has no air-dam, no NACA ducts and six tailights. The 512 has the above and four tailights. the "i" has body-coloured lower halves, the little parking lights on the edge of the nose (the ones Frank was looking for...) and exposed fog lights. -The Mondials: I still can't tell an 8 from a QV, so I give up on that one. The "t" has chunkier bumpers and the intakes on the sides are smaller. -400/412: The 412 has body-coloured bumpers and flat wheels (looks like the five-bolt Testarossa rims). | |||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1114 Registered: 8-2002 |
208 looks like a 328. The 328 has a different front light arraingment then the 308. Meaning that the turn and fog lights are encorporated into one unit. The 288 looks like the 308 except for the high side mirrors, slats behind the read wheels, and a brake cooling duct under the doors. Also the 328 has a unique desk lid then the 308 512 M has the enclosed headlights. | |||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 3050 Registered: 12-2000 |
From another thread and my blunder the other day for misidentifying a 275 GTS for the California at FOD... how do you most easily identify some of the similar models? 308 and 328: I look straight for painted/molded front or rear bumper, besides that not too easy. Testarossa and 512 TR: I look at the wheel size, but there has to be a better way as I think the later TR's had larger wheels too. 512 TR and 512 M: Never seen a M in person, but the enclosed light I think are unique to the M. 550 and 575: Has to be an external way, the other day saw my first 575 in person, but only knew what it was from the F1 shifting. 348 and 355: Easier one, but for the rookies the dimensions are very similar, but air grates give the 348 away. 365 BB, 512 BB, and 512 BBi: I have no clue? 308, 308 i, and 308 QV: Another tough one, I think QV's were only ones with roof spoilers? 208 and 308: Is it possible? Mondial 8, Mondial 3.2, and Mondial T: I think I can do it in person, but I don't think I could describe it. Anyone give this a shot? 400 and 412: ? Everyone submit your sighting points and we'll compile a list to post in "Research". Also submit other tough models comparisons if you want, we can even get into the olds ones if you wish, like 250 GTE and 330 America and 330 2+2. |
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