| Author | Message | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Advanced Member Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 3006 Registered: 12-2000 |
I disagree Randy for FerrariChat.com. Maybe it's because we don't have a major problem yet with non-Ferrari people just causing trouble for the heck of it. I think most of the flame wars start as miscommunications, I think even the threads gone bad have some good content, and who am I to judge when a thread goes bad. Where do you draw the line? I think it's a better policy for users to know they have complete freedom, but to respect it and behave as they should. I think my policy works better for the 99% of users and they appreciate it. When those 1% do come in here, then the "herd" doesn't like to be disturbed. They will get challenged head on through intelligent responses and logic, not censorship. Do you think deleting a post will keep them from posting again? Do you think I have the time to delete all these posts. When I start it's just going to get worse and worse. When I experimented and tried to remove one user last month, I ended up in more trouble because they created 4-5 aliases and posted dozens of messages. I agree with removing from the publics eye and it will be if I move it to the "Threads of Shame and Flame". It's at the very bottom, hardly any one will read it except the users involved, and who uses the search functionality anyway? How many times has car wax been brought up.  | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Intermediate Member Username: Peter Post Number: 2286 Registered: 12-2000 |
I don't buy the comment: "we're adults and so we're more mature". Funny. I know "adults" who have never grown up and do the same stupid stuff they did back in high-school (go out back and drink or smoke dope during work, etc...). Just because one turns a certain age doesn't mean they get smarter... Speaking of work, I gotta go... | ||
| Randy (Schatten)
Member Username: Schatten Post Number: 520 Registered: 4-2001 |
I'm in favor of moderation. And I believe as a site grows, you can direct maturity or lack there of through moderation. With other sites - moderation can weed out flames and at least keep arguments out of public eye or at least cease for them to continue. Otherwise - as you'll soon find out, without moderation, there will be spill overs from other sites and wanderers who just want to start crap with anyone out there because they have one thing that we don't - time. With these types of threads, even if they are contained in their own forum - it still looks bad, as onlookers and possible new users, or even those users out there that lurk but never post - its a large deterrant if the unwarranted posts aren't contained. But another issue is - they are archived, which IMO is a bad implimentation. Say if I want to discuss an old thread - it will never reach public eye unless someone refers to it in a new post. It will only stay in the archive and never be back on top. So if you post this week and you get a response next week - you are SOL, cause you'll never see it unless you go through the archives. | ||
| magoo (Magoo)
Advanced Member Username: Magoo Post Number: 3856 Registered: 2-2001 |
Good idea Rob. These personal wars are between a few. So they can be fought there. I bet they won't last long....... | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 3028 Registered: 12-2000 |
Gonna try something new for awhile, I'll place those wayward threads into the "Threads of Flame and Shame Archives..." folder. Eventually it will be located at the very bottom of the thread list. If your thread disappears, then since I don't delete, that's probably where it went. Maybe we'll see a trend of participants after awhile? | ||
| Bruno (Originalsinner)
Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 823 Registered: 5-2002 |
No moderator. Freedom is 1 click away. | ||
| John Bicsak (Funshipone)
Junior Member Username: Funshipone Post Number: 155 Registered: 1-2002 |
I agree we don't need a monitor just don't make any additions to non Ferrari topics, and they will go away. This is a site for Ferrari information not other brand automobiles. | ||
| David Jones (Dave_jones)
New member Username: Dave_jones Post Number: 13 Registered: 12-2002 |
You is rite bruce. Doctor johnson is da man! Hitler was a strong arm fellas, is at what yuou wunt? | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 595 Registered: 10-2001 |
I agree with Mark; that in life we need less regulation and rules. But there's a point where the strong arm of reason can improve life. Perhaps if the more wild and pointless flame wars were nipped in the bud, those with a pesonal problem will think twice and phrase their attacks in a more polite way. This is a Ferrari site, not an ego inflation site. Or at least it used to be. | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 1317 Registered: 4-2002 |
hey dave i think you mean doc johnson.... | ||
| David Jones (Dave_jones)
New member Username: Dave_jones Post Number: 10 Registered: 12-2002 |
Hey Doc, Is you the Doc Watson that sells dildos and pocketpussies in the US? David Jones | ||
| Frank K Lipinski (Kaz)
Junior Member Username: Kaz Post Number: 67 Registered: 11-2002 |
Up at same time. Still getting garage squared away for the new F-Car. Suppose to be here literally two days before Xmas. Yesterday the trucking company called and said heavy snow & rain in NW made them lose a day so now it's down to the wire. Don't want to go off topic... See Ya! | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 1315 Registered: 4-2002 |
frank believe it or not, i am,,been up since 4.30 am, mr retirement?, not yet with 3 kids and college..ill let ya know  have a nice day buddy, bruce | ||
| Frank K Lipinski (Kaz)
Junior Member Username: Kaz Post Number: 66 Registered: 11-2002 |
Bruce - Shouldn�t you be working? Mr. Retirement | ||
| Marq J Ruben (Qferrari)
Junior Member Username: Qferrari Post Number: 154 Registered: 2-2002 |
I agree with Frank and Bruce. We're adults here. You are in control of what you read. No moderator needed. Simply move on if you don't like what you're reading. It's not that hard, guys. Mornin', Bruce! | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 1314 Registered: 4-2002 |
i agree with frank 100%, we are all mature adults(suppose to be) and this chat is titled general discussion, if a thread is not suitable and is a bothersum (sp) to someone else, just move on..its simple, yes some of the arguements are hilarious, as well as boring, just move on..no moderator is neccessary..... | ||
| Frank K Lipinski (Kaz)
Junior Member Username: Kaz Post Number: 64 Registered: 11-2002 |
Rob does a great job and this site and fine just the way it is. Yes, on occasion there are heated threads, but I often find them interesting and humorous. If anything offends me I�m only a mouse click away and move on. There were some previous inappropriate posts and we as members through consensus elected not to respond to those posts. The problem quickly remedied itself. Let�s just keep it the way it is. My $.02 | ||
| Ming Cheng (Onlinesys)
Junior Member Username: Onlinesys Post Number: 96 Registered: 5-2002 |
Take it easy Guys! We are all mature enough to handle a Ferrari so we don't need any moderator! Just ignore the bad boys or girls and they will just walk away quietly. | ||
| Andrew (Mrrou)
Member Username: Mrrou Post Number: 466 Registered: 3-2002 |
paul were all adults, we dont need "parents" nothing illegal is being discussed here so no reason to. andrew | ||
| Joseph (Mojo)
Junior Member Username: Mojo Post Number: 180 Registered: 9-2002 |
Rob is the moderator I think he's doing it right, You can't start deleteing threads. Then he will be hearing it from other people. You can't win. So leave him alone, is he not doing fine? | ||
| djmonk (Davem)
Junior Member Username: Davem Post Number: 168 Registered: 1-2002 |
Who would be the Moderator? Who has time? Im thinking some of the people who would volunteer might be the types who cant wait to be cops an teach others a lesson! Lot of the heated debates start with people reading too much into posts, this medium has its limits. No voice inflection an the readers personal outlook biasing the authors post. | ||
| Joseph (Mojo)
Junior Member Username: Mojo Post Number: 179 Registered: 9-2002 |
The problem is you respond to all the idiots. because we have ego we want to be heard, But thats what the idiots want also, a responce. So what Im saying is if the guys an idiot, shut up. Dont respond. | ||
| Dr. Winston Watson (Drwatson)
New member Username: Drwatson Post Number: 7 Registered: 12-2002 |
Mr. Newman, You are one of the boreish chaps I was refering to. Have you considered stuffing a sock in your mouth until you have something to say worth listening to? You appear to be the instigator to the inteligent observer. WW | ||
| John A. Suarez (Futureowner)
Member Username: Futureowner Post Number: 334 Registered: 3-2002 |
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| John A. Suarez (Futureowner)
Member Username: Futureowner Post Number: 333 Registered: 3-2002 |
Are you guys really arguing on a thread that is supposed to thwart ridiculous arguments????? This is great! | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 889 Registered: 12-2001 |
Mr watson, you are starting a fight. Why? You passed judgement on another thread and now you become one of the problems yourself. | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 888 Registered: 12-2001 |
self moderation, gee why didnt I think of that? Because it DOESNT WORK! Tell it to JRV, A guy with verbal diahrea that doesnt listen. That type of thread sould have been tossed and a friendly warning sent to the instigator(s)motivating them to refocus their energy in a more productive way. I agree that things look worse lately. Why? who knows? Maybe some changes need to be made to clean it up. Im not looking for lovey dovey posts, just not useless wars that repel people. | ||
| Dr. Winston Watson (Drwatson)
New member Username: Drwatson Post Number: 6 Registered: 12-2002 |
Mr. Topman, You are quite the pathetic bore. You posts speak of a person in need of help. It's doubtful you will find the serious help you need here, in case you were wondering. And I might add that a servere case of selective filtering of reality has afflicted several of you boreish chaps. WW | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1772 Registered: 6-2001 |
The site was fine unitl about a month ago. It was perfect. everyone got along and everyone was mature. Rob does a fine job. Maybe what the members of this site need is self moderation! | ||
| Peter Topman (Peter_topman)
New member Username: Peter_topman Post Number: 26 Registered: 8-2002 |
My dearest dr. watson "from england perhaps ol' chap", If it wasn't for America, and one of those things being "FREEDOM OF SPEECH", you brit's would be speaking German right now. (short memories, amongst other things ) You, are not too bright. (are you sure you're a doctor dude ?!) | ||
| Dr. Winston Watson (Drwatson)
New member Username: Drwatson Post Number: 5 Registered: 12-2002 |
Mr. Topman, You must be who these chaps are reffering to as the undesirable element, it appears that drinking is only one part of your problem (drugs also perhaps?) after reading your other various posts here and there. When afflictions strike as evidenced by your writing, it is sometimes advisable to seek profesional help, before it's too late. | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 357 Registered: 10-2001 |
Hey paul.. I need more cops giving out speeding tickets I need more bouncers at the strip club I need more referees at my beach volley ball game I guess my point is that smart adults don't need more rules. I feel sorry for grown men that don't have enough control to deal with the 5% of random silly stuff you're going to get anytime you go out in public. Take a chill pill dude. P.S. you have a good point about business that want to sponsor this site. But I think they all understand that the web is wild-west and if you want safe sanitized content... advertise in Road&Track, becuase they never take chances. Don't want to lose the advertisers. That's why all their car reviews are so blan and always positvie. That's why people come to web sites...to mix it up a bit and say whats really on their mind. | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 887 Registered: 12-2001 |
well mark, if you owned a buisness that was advertised here and supports the site, would you care if the content sucked? I think you responded like a true knob. | ||
| Peter Topman (Peter_topman)
New member Username: Peter_topman Post Number: 25 Registered: 8-2002 |
Ok, like, I�m � buzzed right now from drinkin all day and stuff &&�getting sum tail too� Looks like I missed some really coool action�%$^& bummers dude�. ok , like > Check it out > like > I was flippin the channels ya know�.. and saw this picture on the local TV station�..they�re lookin� for some dude who used to be a mechanic in tex-ass ....maybe goes by the alias vjr or sum •••• like that ???!!! jezzzz, i don't know anyways... >> appears he�s doin night club�s now and stuff>>> anybody know his whereabouts can call 1-800-dum-sh!t �..his family is worried�. Here�s the dude :  | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 356 Registered: 10-2001 |
"Help me. I need a baby-sitter." Give me a break! Kick some ass or change the channel. Where can I get off this rock? its getting too sanitized for my own protection :-) | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 304 Registered: 8-2002 |
But then what happens when someone throws poo at the moderator...? What if the moderator isn't mature enough to just let it roll off...? (i should really re-word this- the "poo" jokes are just gonna start 'plopping' in... sigh...) | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1118 Registered: 8-2002 |
I agree. | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 886 Registered: 12-2001 |
Why dont the threads that go real sour get tossed? Bickering about insignificant subjects drives people away. telling someone not to read a thread if they dont like it isnt the answer. Some things need intervention, sort of like how rob did today. Is it so wrong to delete a useless thread? I dont see the harm in doing so. There have to be some sort of rules in place. I dont see any except censorship with little red dots. |