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| Omar (Auraraptor)
Junior Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 161 Registered: 9-2002 |
http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/21/189653.html?1041845725 This thread is continued on in Part II (Ignore...this is for the archieve purposes...it will make browsing soo much easier)  | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 816 Registered: 8-2002 |
i guess we're done with this thread, then, since they started a Part II to it...? Matt, give yourself a pat on the back, this one really took off... let's see how far the second one goes... | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 201 Registered: 6-2002 |
Chris, i have never dynoed my car. The mods i have are exhaust(no cats) modified ram air with no restrictors, and depending on the jets i use, 150-200 shot of nos. Car weighed on 4 point scales 3320pds ready to run. The brakes on later model Diablo's really work well for street use, how theyd fare on the track i do not know. I will tell you this, i watched a guy in Diablo Roadster running around with a 360 Challange car at Moroso and on the straights even the Roadster could pull the Challange car. As for my top speed, i do not know, as it buries the needle beyond 220mph, but i have no idea what the factor for speedo error is. | ||||
| Chris Parr (Cmparrf40)
Member Username: Cmparrf40 Post Number: 532 Registered: 3-2002 |
Allan, I really do not know that much about SV's, I have only been in one Diablo, and it was pretty wild. What is your car making for horsepower at the rear wheel (have you dynoed it?) What do you expect you would do on top end? I know these things are brutual fast. I suspect you are right about being a pig on the track,brakes are your biggest enemy, just like a F40. My F40 was disappointing until we put brakes and new suspension underneath it. We added about 100bhp to get it to be a little quicker......... but I am about to put drop gears in to make it even quicker, at the expense of top end, it will go from 203 to about 175, but it should get there very fast! | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 200 Registered: 6-2002 |
No, i drive me own car, we go straight ahead. Dont worry, mines not exactly stock either. I have no doubt an F40 is a better and faster track car. Lambo is far heavier, brakes will go out much quicker, etc. Dont think im knocking your car, F40 is my favorite Ferrari. I have great memories of going 160 down the back straight at Moroso in Palm Beach in one. Awesome. | ||||
| Chris Parr (Cmparrf40)
Member Username: Cmparrf40 Post Number: 531 Registered: 3-2002 |
Allan, its not exactly stock.......... ....but we have to turn, straight line is for John Force. left, right, ten laps, you name the track. You can have any driver you want to drive your car, I have a friend named Grant that will drive mine. just an old Dino (as Frank would say)........... | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 199 Registered: 6-2002 |
Are you trying to challange me in your 12 year old F40? Bring it on!!!!! F40, nice car, driven a few, against my Sv, not a chance. | ||||
| Chris Parr (Cmparrf40)
Member Username: Cmparrf40 Post Number: 530 Registered: 3-2002 |
as for Vipers......... Paul Mumford is a good friend of mine, if you do not know who Paul is, you do not know Vipers. Advice: An EXCELLENT driver can make a Viper do things you can not imagine. An AVERAGE driver will put a Viper in the wall everytime. there are alot of fast cars out there..... be safe, play on the track! (Paul is the fastest Viper driver in the US, scarey fast, great guy has a 550 Maranello and a new 911TT) | ||||
| Justin Varghese (Justin_v)
New member Username: Justin_v Post Number: 15 Registered: 12-2002 |
Oh shi*t!!! You Viper guys asked for it big time. The F40 is coming out to haunt you!! -Justin | ||||
| Chris Parr (Cmparrf40)
Member Username: Cmparrf40 Post Number: 529 Registered: 3-2002 |
Allan, I have stayed out of this but.... I have a 12 year old Ferrari, high mileage 10,685 miles) that tends to smoke when you accelerate it that I would put a few dollars up to see what it would do against your Lambo. Chris | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 198 Registered: 6-2002 |
No, not just 1/4 mile, go top end! | ||||
| Jim Hodel (Jhodel)
New member Username: Jhodel Post Number: 1 Registered: 5-2002 |
FWIW, I ran my 99 Viper GTS with the Ferrari Club at Laguna Seca and it was the best track day I have ever attended. Everyone was out to have fun and I was made to feel welcome in my Viper. And of course, there were some fabulous Ferraris. What a great time it was to share enthusiasm for fast cars without trash talking or other nonsense to spoil the day. Jim | ||||
| Brian Kennedy (Kennedy)
Junior Member Username: Kennedy Post Number: 165 Registered: 3-2002 |
> What i care about is speed, track driving is of no interest to me. > That has too much to do with driver. I want to see a straightline > race, dead stop, a roll, whatever, to whatever predetermined mph > you guys choose. That shows the cars power, not the drivers ability. Well, that shows 1/4 of the car. A car is about G's... G's in all 4 directions... not just forward acceleration. Without that, a car's balance and handling and ... well basically everything that makes it a sportscar rather than a slingshot is left out. To each his own, I guess. | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 197 Registered: 6-2002 |
Just race from a roll, that will take even more driver involvement out of the equation. | ||||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 312 Registered: 5-2002 |
I said the track, not which track. I�m not a total idiot it turns out. I�m willing to concede top speed in exchange for a solo II concession. From there, sanctioned events only. You want straight line, that means 1/4 mile to make it sanctioned, a viper is a little better suited to that than my car, but I�m ok with that. Best MPH wins, that takes tires and drivers out of the picture. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 810 Registered: 8-2002 |
Allan, drag race him, then let me take your car on the track... i promise, i won't let anyone touch your ass... | ||||
| john (Johnwto)
New member Username: Johnwto Post Number: 37 Registered: 6-2002 |
SOLO II !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! good god man you're driving a ferrari, take it to the track | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 196 Registered: 6-2002 |
Yes, do some parking lot Scca racing in between some very closely spaced cones, where you'll hit speeds of 30mph! That will be so much fun and excitement! A true test of a cars potential!lol What i care about is speed, track driving is of no interest to me. That has too much to do with driver. I want to see a straightline race, dead stop, a roll, whatever, to whatever predetermined mph you guys choose. That shows the cars power, not the drivers ability. Im first to admit, im sure a experienced driver in a stock ferrari could hand me my ass on a track. I have no experience in track driving. Put him in that same car, and lets run straigtline, and then lets see who wins! | ||||
| Jeffrey Caspar (Jcaspar1)
Junior Member Username: Jcaspar1 Post Number: 59 Registered: 5-2002 |
I would choose Solo II if I had your car too... | ||||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 311 Registered: 5-2002 |
Adam, The fun begins. Now we just need to negotiate a venue. The Glen is out, no home tracks. No heads up racing, too much risk to the car, best time only. My first choice would be a solo II event because they're well organized with acurate timing, sight named by you. | ||||
| Jeffrey Caspar (Jcaspar1)
Junior Member Username: Jcaspar1 Post Number: 58 Registered: 5-2002 |
Mark, Just responding to your challenge to Diablos and Vipers. If you don't want a response, don't challenge. I am with Allan, I cannot imagine how your 308, even with a little supercharger, could stand up to a Diablo in any measurement of performance unless you are a truely outstanding driver. | ||||
| Adam (Eldiablo_viper)
Junior Member Username: Eldiablo_viper Post Number: 66 Registered: 7-2002 |
Mark and other guys in NY/NJ/CT. I would love to run you on a race track. I'm not an instructor and have 10 track events and 2 with my Viper. I run last time at very cold/wet track in Watkins Glen 2:19 a lap and belive that I could have gone a lot better when the track was completly dry. My car is close to stock with stock tires. I have k&N and Corsa + StopTech front kit. The car dyoned 437RWHP and 480RWTQ. Just e-mail me or post on my forum and I can set you up for some racing with other cars. http://rallyfreak.com | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 803 Registered: 8-2002 |
JRV: #1. it's the weekend- i don't work on weekends. #2. You've got some set of peanuts calling people here, 'losers'. #3. i don't know whose ass you think i'm kissing, but you should be a little clearer when you post. If you're referring to my comments about Mike's post, then say so- i thought it was funny, so i laughed. He could've said it about me and i would've still laughed. i'm not an ass-kisser and i really think you need to step back for a second and think about why you need to start throwing poopies at me, when i've said nothing to do. Do me a favor, just relax for a while, think about what happened and then come back and apologize- i have nothing against you or anyone else, i just thought what he said was funny. Don't worry, i have no hard feelings towards you... | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 195 Registered: 6-2002 |
Mark, i agree with you on some counts, but lets see if maybe you can get together with Adam, and we'll see what happens. | ||||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 310 Registered: 5-2002 |
Jeff, Allan I'm sure the guys at viper days are mostly quite friendly, as are the guys at ferrari events. The thing of it is though is that this is a ferrari site and the subject of this thread is "Anyone had any good races with a lamborghini". Any good race story would be fine, but what's gained by posting "I prefer band X" statements? Do you guys expect anything but a "thanks for sharing" response to that type of post? Not that there�s anything wrong with someone choosing brand X, but that's not the choice most of the people on this site made. Specs form a magazine are really not a race story, what you ran at what track might count I guess. But I could whoop you statements don�t really mean anything do they? That�s just trash talk. The truth is specs don�t win anything and you can�t have won a race you never ran. Most people never actually even try to run the race, it�s a lot easier to say you would win, than to actually go out and win. Even the guys that go to the track for track days don�t quite get it. It�s a lot easier to turn a good lap at a track event than during a race where the guy in front doesn�t move over for you. That�s where the little things like feel and balance and of the car come in, as well as the driver. The things that make a �spec� race pointless. Just as pointless as pointing to race car victories to claim a production version of the car is fast since the 2 only actually share body panel shapes. That brings us back �my car is better than yours�, which is really just name calling isn�t it, since there is no way that either of us could possibly know if that�s true? | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 194 Registered: 6-2002 |
First off, Mark MD, This was a post on Lambos and Ferraris, if you dont like the compro, dont read the thread. I love Ferraris, but i wont let people talk trash about other makes that i dont believe to be true. Mark, although i am a big fan of what you have done with your 308, if you werent clear across the country, i would gladly blow your doors off and give you a comfortable lead. Im sure your car is quick, but lets not go overboard, even if in the end you do make 600hp, youd still see taillights. Eldiablo is in New York, i believe, so maybe he can do it for me. | ||||
| Jeffrey Caspar (Jcaspar1)
Junior Member Username: Jcaspar1 Post Number: 57 Registered: 5-2002 |
Mark, Sorry, but you are too far away. Would love to run with you at either the track or the strip. Have you ever attended a Viper Days event. We would be happy to have you at an event and I think you would find all the owners (Vipers and others) very friendly. | ||||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 309 Registered: 5-2002 |
John, I am quite sure a stock 308QV can not take a viper or a diablo. But that's not actually the race I offered is it? I'm quite serious. I say being it on. | ||||
| john (Johnwto)
New member Username: Johnwto Post Number: 36 Registered: 6-2002 |
"I'll be there because I need a vaction and I honestly don't believe that allen's diablo or mike's viper can take my Ferrari" mark you gotta be kidding? you dont really believe that a stock 308QV can beat a diablo or a viper do you?? | ||||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 308 Registered: 5-2002 |
No more arm chair racing, no more specs. Your bother's not here anymore, it just you and your car. We're talking about a day at the track to show us because some of us only believe what we see. So please, by all means, show us. | ||||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 281 Registered: 10-2002 |
All others? 312PB? 512S? 512M? 333SP? P4? As my 14 year old daughter would say: LOL | ||||
| Adam (Eldiablo_viper)
Junior Member Username: Eldiablo_viper Post Number: 65 Registered: 7-2002 |
I don't know why you guys pick on Mike but...stock Viper will kill 360 with no problem. 360 should compare with Z06. Viper is in a class of F50/40 as performance goes. And yes I would take F50/40 or Enzo over a Viper but all other F cars are just $$$ sposts cars that perform like Corvettes for 3X the price. | ||||
| Joseph (Mojo)
Junior Member Username: Mojo Post Number: 207 Registered: 9-2002 |
Mark what ferrari do you own? What is the H.P.? | ||||
| Joseph (Mojo)
Junior Member Username: Mojo Post Number: 206 Registered: 9-2002 |
I think Ill be, Dr. Mojo from now on. Ya that has a nice ring to it. | ||||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 307 Registered: 5-2002 |
It seems like we need to set up an F-chat track day. I hear a lot of trash talk, it seems like it's about time to put-up. No more I read this or I think that. I'm talking about you and your car at the track. I'll be there because I need a vaction and I honestly don't believe that allen's diablo or mike's viper can take my Ferrari. I also don't believe my car is any match for an F50, so I should be easy prey. Any one else coming?...... or is it just talk? | ||||
| Mark Moon M.D. (Enzomoon)
New member Username: Enzomoon Post Number: 35 Registered: 4-2002 |
Allan: Please tell me one thing: If you hold Ferraris in such low regard as is evidenced by your last post, why do you even bother participating in this forum? I presume it must have something to do with creating consternation for those of us who love the machines from Maranello. In all seriousness, I don't have any problems with you or anyone else loving/owning/wanting a Lamborghini but this really isn't the appropriate place for you to try to convince those of us who are here to talk about Ferraris that somewhow your car is so great and how our cars are so overrated. I am sure others on this forum would agree. | ||||
| Jeffrey Caspar (Jcaspar1)
Junior Member Username: Jcaspar1 Post Number: 56 Registered: 5-2002 |
Art, Are you sure you were reading Mike's posts and not some others?? P.S. Funny how some physicians love to use their title in completely non medical situations. It always seems to say a lot about them... | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 193 Registered: 6-2002 |
Lol, Markmoon MD. Your a funny guy! Ill take my italian tractor anyday over a car that underperforms so badly that people have to hide behind a bunch of F1 victories to substantiaite buying it. Just remember, you'd be trailing my tractor all day long! Anyways, comments from a proctologist who used to drive a Boxster(Porsche with Panties) dont hold much weight! I have driven both a 360 and a Viper Gts, the Viper will obliterate it. Of course i would definately rather drive a 360. Ill get some of the results from the Viper/Ferrari days, and by the way, i wasnt talking about 360's taking a beating only, i was including f40's and f50's! | ||||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 857 Registered: 6-2001 |
Mike B: Your comments about the Vipers are what one would expect from someone who makes their living selling to Viper owners. The tone you used however tells us a lot about you. You sound like you need an anger management class or some antipsychotic drugs. I suggest you take a little time to read what you post, before you post it. You may be a good guy, but from your posts you come across as a total jerk. | ||||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Junior Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 170 Registered: 9-2002 |
Allan, That picture is AWESOME. Do you have a larger version of it? --Dan | ||||
| DaveE (Banzaiboxr)
New member Username: Banzaiboxr Post Number: 27 Registered: 8-2002 |
Matt, You should get a free Ferrari Chat calender for the most hits on a topic | ||||
| Matt (Matt_lamotte)
Junior Member Username: Matt_lamotte Post Number: 127 Registered: 10-2002 |
Whoa hold up guys. This thread that I almost hate to admit I started has gone waaaaaaaaaaay off topic. People on here calling names like a bunch of kids does nothing for any of us. Grow up or chill out. Fighting and stuff on the internet does nothing for you or anyone else except make yourself look stupid. When I asked if anyone here has had any good races with a lambo that's all I have asked. Now there is no problem comparing this car to that car but come on. We are all adults and this post makes a certain few here look like a bunch of kids. This thread could be divided into fifty different topics and all it was was a simple question. | ||||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 305 Registered: 5-2002 |
I'm telling you it's the work of Satan and all the non-Ferrari owners are going straight to hell, especially mike, anyone who would flip a 360s then brag about it belongs in hell. | ||||
| Mark Moon M.D. (Enzomoon)
New member Username: Enzomoon Post Number: 34 Registered: 4-2002 |
Allan: You really do need help!! May I suggest a frontal Lobotomy or perhaps some electroconvulsive therapy? Happy trails in your Italian Tractor.. | ||||
| Joseph (Mojo)
Junior Member Username: Mojo Post Number: 205 Registered: 9-2002 |
Oh my god, grow up. | ||||
| jr vee (Jrv_)
New member Username: Jrv_ Post Number: 11 Registered: 12-2002 |
Mike B You had to have been the kid everyone picked on in school because you were a geek, ugly have a small d*ck, couldn't get any girls to give you the time of day or what ever any are trying to overcompensate for it now with pure BS stories on how much you done spent for this and that Yeah you have had a 360, I am sure and bought diamonds for your gal of course more realistically you are probably in your underwear right now having spent some "quality time" visiting a few pedophile sites after a nice run to the Adult Store in your Yugo You know nothing about me just stupid wild guesses from your feeble imagination, I paid cash for my Ferrari unlike you whom your bank owns your UPS Truck, I also have a fleet of trucks I own clear and that any one is worth double your crappy UPS TRuck Viper Go back to the little hole you came from little boy DES, if you spent half as much time working in stead of kissing As* to your loser buds here you actually may be able to own a Ferrari in 10 years or so | ||||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 304 Registered: 5-2002 |
You have to be careful about the magazine numbers and really even the factory numbers. I saw an article that was talking about premium vs. regular hp gains on car that could run regular. The interesting thing was that they dynoed a bunch of cars. On the best one, the wHP as 25% off the claimed crank HP, the worst (honda) was 33% off. The standard correction is 16%, so the factories were lying. I�ve seen quite a few Ferrari dyno runs, mostly posted here, and they seem to fit the 16% rule pretty well. The same for the German cars, on the worst day at the factory the car will make the claimed #, most are better. For the US and Japanese, it�s the other way around, a perfect (blueprinted) car will make the #s, the rest don�t. I have never seen any number on Lambo, so I don�t know where they sit. Then it�s a question of what car goes to the magazine, a true production car or a prepped one. It would not surprise me in any way to learn that the magazine�s get a car with blueprinted engines and shocks. It would also not really surprise me to learn the tires are not a production compound ro not even the same brand they fit the production cars with (I�ve noticed that before). Business is Business. You can�t run a race based on magazine articles. When it comes time to run to race, the question becomes how well does the stock car fit the class? Porsche in know to design models around the rules for the race class they�re interested in. Then, they go out and support the racers with parts and money. When the factory decides it�s time to win races, the cars win because winning is about money. So pointing to race wins is really not a good indicator either. The easiest way to tell what car can be made competitive the cheapest is to look at what the private teams run. You�ll see factory cars up front, then you see about 6 of the same model battling for 4 �10. That�s the car that fits the class at the best price. Still doesn�t tell you what the best car is, just he most economical. It turns out that if you go test drive a few cars you�re considering, the one that make you feel the best when you drive it is the best car (for you). Now, most people on this site are sure the best cars are Ferraris. Just like the people on other sites are sure it�s something else. So again I would suggest that if you�re sure Ferrari is not the best car, perhaps you could find a web site where others share your view, because you won�t find agreement here, I pretty sure of that. | ||||
| Brian Kennedy (Kennedy)
Junior Member Username: Kennedy Post Number: 161 Registered: 3-2002 |
"From what ive read the Ferraris have gone home with their tails between their legs. I read the posts on the Viper forum and you often read stories of Ferraris getting beaten, but ever so often you also read about a them losing, usually to a Porsche or a Lambo, but never a Ferrari." The Viper forum? There's an impartial source. Lessee... how about Motor Trend Nov 2000... at least somewhat impartial: 360 Modena vs. Viper GTS ACR 0-60: 3.92 vs 4.16 s 0-100-0: 14.12 vs 14.37 s 1/4 Mile: 12.19 vs 12.25 s One Mile: 32.56 vs 30.49 s Slalom: 68.90 vs 70.80 mph Braking: 117 vs 121 ft Fairly even overall. Since most of us do 0-100-0 more than we do 100-160-100, the Modena's numbers are actually more attractive. But for most of us its not about raw numbers... take the money and put it into a slammed Supra and you'll smoke both cars. Rather, its more about how the car makes you *feel* while driving. Motor Trend rated that too... averaging the report cards from all their staff for power, refinement, at-the-limit handling, long distance comfort, styling, sound, fun factor, and gawk power, you get: 360: A+, A+, A, A, A+, A++, A+, A++ Viper: A+, D, B, D+, A, B-, A+, A Now which car left with its tail between its legs? With depreciation factored in, the 360 looks like a good deal to me. | ||||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1004 Registered: 2-2001 |
At every track event I have been to, the Viper is a complete pig at the track, UNLESS the driver is VERY experienced with Vipers. I have drag raced GTSs in my 360M and were dead even up to 150mph. Now that is embarrassing for a car with more horsepower and about twice the engine size. Forget magazine articles and comparisons, I go by what I see and experience firsthand. Nobody should be bragging about having a fast car unless it has over 800rwhp and it makes the passenger vomit once you floor it (an all out RUF Porsche will do the trick). Besides, its not real racing unless its at a track... anybody can go fast in a straight line... Af far as beating Diablos, I have yet to see one win in any type of class within any type of major racing series. I have seen Vipers, Corvettes, Ferraris, Mustangs, and Porsches win many many races... Ernesto | ||||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 303 Registered: 5-2002 |
Mike, Form you post it�s clear that class can�t be bought at any price. A viper is a cheap horr. Perhaps you could find a site where the other John�s, �I mean viper lovers congregate to preach to. | ||||
| Justin Randall Kenyon (Kenyon)
New member Username: Kenyon Post Number: 46 Registered: 10-2002 |
A TVR make very fast cars. The new one 0-60 in 3.2 secs and 0-100 in 9.2 and onto and over 215 mph. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 790 Registered: 8-2002 |
Mike, your last post was harsh... very sarcastic, very demeaning- i laughed my whole way through it... As far as drag racing is concerned, i don't know anything about it, but i know what you mean about people crying foul if you don't disclose all the information... as i've said before, passion is not a rational emotion... Mike, i just saw a 360 spyder in person, for the first time in my life and i guess you and really do have different tastes as i could never see letting go of something like that, even for $80k... To each his own, i suppose... Is your wife's 550 red...? i don't suppose we could get you post some pictures of it...(?) Since you disclosed some of the finer traveling arrangements in your possession, perhaps you could also tell us what else you've owned in that area...? Any good races with any of them...? | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 191 Registered: 6-2002 |
I agree that for the money Vipers are great cars. As for them selling in the 20's, i disagree in a way, as ive seen some older GenI Rt/10's for upper 20's, never a gts, although upper 30's low 40's is ballpark on earlier gts's. As for speed, ive raced several Vipers, and they are much more of a challange than any Ferrari ive ever encountered. Also, havent there been several Viper/Ferrari challanges? From what ive read the Ferraris have gone home with their tails between their legs. I read the posts on the Viper forum and you often read stories of Ferraris getting beaten, but ever so often you also read about a them losing, usually to a Porsche or a Lambo, but never a Ferrari. | ||||
| Mike B (Srt_mike)
New member Username: Srt_mike Post Number: 14 Registered: 12-2002 |
jrv, I recently sold my 360 spyder (got a great deal on it and couldnt justify keeping it considering what I could sell it for) and I'm looking for a 512M (yellow only) at the moment. My girlfriend has an older 550... but hey, who cares about that sort of thing... I didn't list everything in the profile for a reason. As I said in my post, the Ferraris are great cars and the Dodge will never be a Ferrari... then again, owning a ratted out old Ferrari doesn't put you in the same class as the guy in the F50. Sorry if that stings the ego, but it's true. As I said, if you're looking to buy class, you gotta go high-end, not low end... I think my girlfriends truck was around $50k. And you know what they say about "appraised value" LOL I have a diamond that I got appraised for $20k... but you're special so I'll give it to ya for $19k. You can tell everyone about your ring that's "valued at $20k!". People will like you. You will be special! As for the Viper selling in the 20's...hmm.. I'm just positive you're being honest about the vast number of Vipers you're seen in the 20's... it's just that I've been in that market for many years and owned a few and they don't sell that low... but what do I know? Maybe you could show me some links to GTS's selling in the 20's? If you see any more, let me know so I can flip 'em for double my money and then some... then maybe I could afford a ratted out 308 and rub elbows with the elite - I dunno - what's it like at the (bottom of the) top? Do you really think a Mustang 5.0 with NOS is quicker? Ok so the Viper is just a 1/4 mile car... wanna put your 328 head to head on a road course? Shouldn't be hard against a 1/4 mile car... wait, you're not a poser are ya? Rhetorical question. I can't believe you stooped to the resale value argument. Jrv, bragging about how great your resale is just means you bought an old car that already was handed down enough times that it's as low as it's gonna go. Like they say... those who can afford the toys... But I digress. Apologies to everyone for wrestling with a pig. You know what they say - you both get dirty but the pig likes it. In case there is any doubt, yeah I do love Ferraris. I dunno if I "envy" them. I've had a few and they are nice. I admit that the exclusivity and curb appeal is part of the attraction - but I personally do not think an old 3 series cuts it in that respect. Just MY opinion though - if someone likes the car for what it is, more power to them. I'll check it out at a show and admire the machine, but I'll do it for what it is, and sorry Jrv but I'm not impressed. As for what I envy.. hmm.. I would LOVE a Murcielago or an F50. I dont like the 550 - not aggressive enough. I would have loved to keep my spyder but when you can make $80k on the deal, it's hard to justify giving up $80k just to own a cool car. I mean that would buy me like 2 or 3 older 3-series cars (sorry, just ragging on twinkie there for a minute) DES, no those parts were not expensive, they did not help the performance much (maybe 10hp if that), but I list them because in the world of drag racing, everyone will cry foul if you have something on the car that wasn't disclosed. So that's the reason The thing about the Viper, is that for the money it's the quickest thing you can get. Yeah, you can MODIFY other cars to be quicker, but who really wants to go that route? What's faster? A diablo - yes! An F50? YES! An F40, sure! Who can afford an F50 or F40 or Diablo to drive daily? I sure as heck can't... not without feeling like an idiot for killing the value of a car like that. So if you need a supercar you can drive, the Viper is a great choice. I think it upsets guys who own slower (but more expensive and less capable) sports cars that the snake is cheaper AND faster, but as I said, they should take comfort in the fact that it will always be just a Dodge - just like a ratted out 328 will always be a ratted out 328 . If money was NO object, I think I'd have a Murcielago as a toy for the weekends, and probably a CL55 to drive daily, and an F50 for fun on the track. I'd have to keep my bikes too. But I don't have the coin to sink $1MM into cars for fun.. but I can afford $85k for the weekend toy, and that suits me just fine. Until I can find that yellow 512M - then I need to decide if I keep the Viper or not. | ||||
| Modified348ts (Modman)
Member Username: Modman Post Number: 426 Registered: 11-2001 |
They don't call it the Diablo for nothin' All hell breaks loose! Although the Diablo is not as nimble as the modern day Ferrari as the car was not meant for track or drag races it still does the job well at high speeds and if you can drive a Diablo very well at high speeds and turns you can drive most any high performance car as if it was a toy meaning you can confidently tear it up on the tracks. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 787 Registered: 8-2002 |
Allan, awesome picture, thanks for contributing to the idol dispute... Mark, you're right, that IS the work of Satan... god could never manufacture something like that... Just like the F50 is Satan's work, too... like i said, god makes safety cars like Volvo and such... Satan makes cool cars like Ferraris & Lamborghinis (McLarens, Lotuses, Porsches,etc)... ...& if all else fails, i know that Satan could beat up god anyday... | ||||
| Justin Varghese (Justin_v)
New member Username: Justin_v Post Number: 14 Registered: 12-2002 |
I can't believe this thread is still going on!!! -Justin | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 189 Registered: 6-2002 |
Well, my mom did always tell me that i was Satan's Spawn! | ||||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 299 Registered: 5-2002 |
allen, nice pic,.... but it's still the work of Satan. | ||||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 298 Registered: 5-2002 |
DES, I believe you�re mistaken. Everyone knows good will triumph, that is why Ferrari always wins F1. Clearly it�s gods car. Think of the F50 like an arc angle, that�s why it looks mean. Mine howls a little to, but that is just to warn women and children that is is coming and not to step into the street. http://mywebpages.comcast.net/markeberhardt/MarkFerrari.mpg The others are the work of Satan, designed to confuse and seduce the weak minded. | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 188 Registered: 6-2002 |
Satan's flame thrower!  | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 187 Registered: 6-2002 |
The Countach is not all that difficult to drive, it is however harder than a Testarossa. I drove one for 3 years though, through all types of roads, traffic etc, without a problem. Biggest problem with the Countach initially is visability, but you get used to it and i could fly in and out of traffic with no problem. There was also a test done by Evo magazine, with a Countach, Mclaren F1, Ferrari F40 and a few others. Derek Bell was the driver, and out of all the cars he was most suprised with the Countach, as to how good it really was on the track. This was also in an early car, not even a 4-valve. I collect every magazine possible about Lambos and Ferraris, and virtually every magazine, in its day picked the Countach over the Testarossa. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 786 Registered: 8-2002 |
Mark, i'm bawling, here, this will easily break the thread record if other people read this- i can't stop laughing... Mark, if there is a Satan, he's way cooloer than god, and whatever he drives can beat god's car in the 1/4 mile, 0-60, on the straights, in the twisties and on streets or on a track... If there's a god, he's probably got a pink or sky blue Bentley or Rolls and Satan's got a garage that could put the Sultan of Brunei's garage to shame... Look at an F50 from the front- tell me it doesn't look like Satan, himself staring right back at you... you think that was god's work...? Definitely not... god makes Volvos... i heard Satan has an F50 and when you rev the engine, fire comes out of the tail pipes- but not just any fire... ...hellfire. | ||||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 296 Registered: 5-2002 |
DES I can�t believe you�d blasphemy like that, god only likes Ferraris and only his favorites get them. Clearly that�s why not everyone can afford one. Satan was just playing catch-up when he can out with Lamborghini for his followers, but it wasn�t quite right, so he tried again (vettes) and again (supras) and again (vipers), but never quite made it. | ||||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1876 Registered: 6-2001 |
Ive heard that they totally SUCK to drive. Ive never been in one. Ive been in a testarossa and it didnt seem bad. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 783 Registered: 8-2002 |
i was just kidding Allan, i know they're fast, but i've heard that they're not that easy to drive... Is that true...? | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 186 Registered: 6-2002 |
Uh oh, Dr Mark, would never own a Lamborghini, and neither would his mechanic! See i never get to have any interesting conversations like that with my mechanic since i never see him! Maybe he's advising you not to go buy a Lambo because he needs the money and your frequent visits payed for the left wing of his home!Why lose steady income!lol In regards to the 308/328 comments, i own/have owned cars costing many times more than these 2 models, but to this day i still love the look and feel of the 3 series F-cars. They will always be timeless, and extremely fun to drive. Des, as for the Countach being slow, dont count on it. Any car that was designed about 30 years ago, and can still run with the best of them deserves great respect. Italian cars magazine recently did a test between a Countach and Testrossa, and found the Countach to be vastly superior. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 781 Registered: 8-2002 |
Mark, that's pretty funny... If there's a hell, though, there's no question about it- you're goin'...! If there is a god, he likes Ferraris & Lamborghinis equally- and he's got a bunch, too, where do you think the money you put in those collection plates goes...? | ||||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 295 Registered: 5-2002 |
Well that's strange, I got part of my new post, then all of my new post with an old post in from of it. It looks like I'm going straight to hell. | ||||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 294 Registered: 5-2002 |
Just 250 more posts and it's a record right? hmmm, if could just figure out how to drag religion into it There was no Lamborghini, but I did take my father to an autocross once to try out the Ferrari. He ran a sting of mid 60s, I ran a string of 41s. At the end, I took him for I ride, to show him how it should be done. I trend to leave the line with a lot of tire smoke and noise, that was fine, but I did get an "OH SH*T" loud enough to be head in three counties as we made started the turn-in to the first corner. Scared the baJESUS out of him. I'm pretty sure he saw GOD that day. Anyway, everyone knows GOD only loves Ferrari owners and anyone who buys a Diablo or a Viper is going straight to hell. And there won't be any strippers or hookers to meet you, turns out they're all coming to heaven with the Ferrari owners How's that DES. | ||||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 292 Registered: 5-2002 |
There was no Lamborghini, but I did take my father to an autocross once to try out the Ferrari. He ran a sting of mid 60s, I ran a string of 41s. At the end, I took him for I ride, to show him how it should be done. I trend to leave the line with a lot of tire smoke and noise, that was fine, but I did get an "OH SH*T" loud enough to be head in three counties as we made started the turn-in to the first corner. Scared the baJESUS out of him. I'm pretty sure he saw GOD that day. Anyway, everyone knows GOD only loves Ferrari owners and anyone who buys a Diablo or a viper is going straight to hell. How's that DES. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 779 Registered: 8-2002 |
Oh, by the way- if we DO drag religion into this, can we at least, some how, keep in with the original topic of Lamborghinis and Ferraris...? Like, tell us a story of a Ferrari/Lamborghini race and you were the driver or passenger and you almost got into an accident and screamed: "Oh my god...!" That would be a good way to keep this circus balanced... | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 778 Registered: 8-2002 |
Mark- drag religion into it and i think i might be able to guarantee the record for this thread... it's up to you, though, to figure out how to incorporate religion into this; you won't get absolutely any help at all, from this athiest. ( ) | ||||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 291 Registered: 5-2002 |
Just 250 more posts and it's a record right? hmmm, if could just figure out how to drag religion into it.... | ||||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 321 Registered: 3-2001 |
I just had to make a post, as it is #400 in this thread...which is way too long for me to even try to read.....carry on!! | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 773 Registered: 8-2002 |
Mark (Me k), that's hilarious...! i totally agree, i think Ferraris are more elegant than Lamborghinis but Lambos are "faster", if you know what i mean... (not in the mph sense)... Mike, those are fairly nice times but i hope the K&N filters and the plastic replacement hoses didn't cost much- they didn't seem to have much effect. Ernesto, i think we've long since given up on trying to get people to stick to the original topic and as i recall, no one's said that a Viper or 'Vette is better than a Ferrari... Jeff, i like the Diablo a lot more than i like the Countach, partly due to reading that driving the Countach is difficult- maybe that's why that guy wasn't eating up the track... (or maybe they really ARE slow ) JRV, i don't think Mike is claiming this Viper is better than any Ferrari, he's made mentioned several times that, "after all, it IS a Dodge"... i think he's just giving his two cents and clarifying things along the way... my insurance question, for example, and i had no idea that a Viper could pose any threat to a 360 but Mike and Jeff clued me in to that... and you're probably right, a used Mustang with some juice would probably quarter mile the crap out of a Viper, but that wasn't his argument, he was just giving some friendly statistics about the car, after i inquired whether it was really possible that a Viper could be a Modena-muncher... try to relax a little, ok, dude...? Dr. Mark, the threads original question reads as follows: "Hey guys. I was wondering if any of you guys out there had run against a lambo. If so what kind of car did you have and what kind of lamborghini? I am sure Allan has some stories..." The thread started out ok with a few good stories and pretty much went haywire from there... i agree, this is a Ferrari site, but the original question here was had any Ferrari owners raced any Lamborghinis...? things just turned to poopy from there, with all this side-tracked b.s. nonsense about egos... The original question was a fair one and the stories that actually followed it were pretty awesome... | ||||
| Mark Moon M.D. (Enzomoon)
New member Username: Enzomoon Post Number: 33 Registered: 4-2002 |
Whoever wrote in his post that Enzo Ferrari led a "flamboyant lifestyle" clearly doesn't know a thing about the history of the marque. As far a Lamborgini is concerned, who really cares! This site is devoted to Ferrari. If you would rather own a Lamborghini, good for you!! But, please don't beat this to death. I would never own one, nor would my mechanic who works on Ferraris and Lambos. However, I don't see the need to enter the Lamborghini forum site to beat up on their members. Please!!!...no more Lamborghini vs. Ferrari B.S. | ||||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1001 Registered: 2-2001 |
Very well put Mark. Ernesto | ||||
| Jeff Green (Carguy)
Junior Member Username: Carguy Post Number: 131 Registered: 10-2002 |
Mark that is a GREAT perspective....LMAO !! | ||||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 290 Registered: 5-2002 |
A Ferrari is like a beautiful woman, you just have to watch it go by, there is an elegance about them. Lambos are more like strippers, you still have to look, but not for the same reasons. Vipers and vettes are more like hookers, they get the job well and really cost a lot less in the long run, but I just wouldn�t want to bring one home. | ||||
| jr vee (Jrv_)
New member Username: Jrv_ Post Number: 9 Registered: 12-2002 |
I always love the guys that come in here and preach how great their other marque is, why are you here? Is it because you have Ferrari envy and it makes you feel better to claim how your UPS Truck Viper is better than a Ferrari? You are the one that looks desparate and is fishing By the way I don't own a 20 year old 308 I have a 328 and its valued at over $50K I knew a shallow minded person as yourself would make such a remark which is why I put it inmy profile, your Viper will maybe still be worth the high 20s in a few years after its rapid depreciation if your lucky, I have seen many Vipers sell in the low to high 20s Who cares about 1/4 mile times, a guy in a $5000.00 5.0 mustang with nitrous would leave your Creaking, SHaking hot interoir Viper in the dust | ||||
| Mike B (Srt_mike)
New member Username: Srt_mike Post Number: 13 Registered: 12-2002 |
DES, The insurance claims are so high because parts on a Viper are so expensive. The hood is around $14k, front bumper $4500, side panels, $4800, doors, $4000, windshield $1100, motor $14000... on and on. As for the performance, yes, they are very fast cars. My car ran 11.6@121 with K&N filters and replacement of the plastic hoses from the airbox to the throttle body. Not bad. It ran 11.7@120 bone stock... both those runs are on street tires. It's also potent on the race track - easily the equal of a Porsche 996 turbo - it comes down to the driver. For $75k out the door, it's a potent package. The new SRT's are a bit more $$ - mine is stickering at $84k, but it should handle even better and be even quicker around a track - we'll see! I feel the Viper is the performance/cost benchmark... but, as I said, it's still a Dodge. jr_vee, if you're gonna slam the Viper, you should at least get the facts straight. You can't buy one in the low 20's... the cheapest GTS you're gonna find is mid 40's if you're lucky. And if you're so concerned about having a car with a high monetary value, how do you reconcile your choice of machines? A new Ferrari is more than a new Viper... sure it is! I have a new Viper.. do you have a new Ferrari? Or is this one of those "I know a guy who...." or "my dad can beat up your dad". Better to not even get started. There are MANY posers in Vipers, but there are in many cars. I tend to hang out with the guys who drive their cars. I race with the BMW club and Porsche club quite a bit - it's always a treat when the Ferrari guys come out. My friend beats the crap out of his F40 on the track - no way I can catch him (he's an awesome driver!). And NOTHING else at the track sounds like his car... anyone who appreciates cars has to tip their hat to the F40. As an engineer, I think I am as much impressed by it's mechanical design as it's looks. As for looking down on the 308 guys - no way! I don't go for the "my car cost more so its better" or the even sillier "my car is brand X and yours is brand Y and a new brand X costs more than a new brand Y so my ragged out 20 years old brand X is therefore better than your almost new brand Y". You can see jrv pulling this with limited success Ernesto, I think the problem with the Supra crowd is that they are like the locusts of the internet. They seek out new places to infect and they grow like a plague with their "mine is better" crap and they just keep at it until all the good posters leave. Other marques don't seem nearly as bad. And before the flaming starts, my Supra was a fun car... IN IT'S TIME it was one of the most potent cars available, but in order to hang with today's hardware, they need to be modified. In terms of ultimate street legal performance (where money aint a factor) they are not the kings... in terms of factory stock performance, they are not the king either. They are probably near the top in ROI for modifications because they are relatively cheap to be made fast, but "for $x my car is faster" has always been a ricer argument... so who cares about that? | ||||
| Jeff Green (Carguy)
Junior Member Username: Carguy Post Number: 130 Registered: 10-2002 |
DES...I was at a Ferrari meet at a 1.9 mile track, and one Lambo Countach did show up. The guy drove it 3 hours to get there, ran it hard, cooked his brake rotors badly, and drove it all the way back home. The car was pretty tough with no problems that I saw. There was an assortment there like 360s, 355s, 348s, 550s, 3X8s, a Mondial, one TR, one F40, and a 333SP. The Lambo performed about the same as the TR. I video'd the event and after watching it numerous times, I'd place the TR and Lambo about in the middle of the pack. The 360 really shines and I'd say was the most balanced and generally quickest, but this was a road course type of track with very few straights. Off topic but to answer your question, my old ZR-1 would take a 360 easily in the straights, and for a short while would hold it's own on a road course. But over time the 360 would probably win due to better balance and brakes. Those 360s just do it all! Most sadly the F40 guy never really beat on his car....looked real good cruising around but I never saw him open it up. It had some type of aftermarket exhaust and sounded VERY mean! | ||||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 997 Registered: 2-2001 |
I think its hillarious how people can bring Vipers and Vettes into this discussion, and there is no uproar about sticking to the Ferrari-Lamborghini discussion at hand. However, I bring up the S word, and suddenly everybody loses it and a riot starts. BTW Ferruccio Lamborghini was a great man who was able to achieve a dream of manufacturing exotic GTs to challenge Ferrari (on the street at least, if not on the track). Even if you dont like the recent models, which I dont, you still have to respect the man who brought us the 350GT and Miura, two of the best designs ever. The company later got sold many times over where it lost its vision and added 18 scoops, 4 spoilers, 2 wings, flip up doors, etc to its cars. But at least the company survived... Ernesto | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 767 Registered: 8-2002 |
Thanks, Lloyd- there's a piece of information i didn't know... Jeff: in taking into consideration your race in your ZR-1, along with what Mike said about a Viper being able to eat a 360- does that mean your ZR-1 could eat a 360...? Mark- i agree with you, Ferruccio shouldn't be belittled- he left a mark (or should i say marque) on the automotive world that is to be reckoned with, forever... i'm not saying his place in history is any different than Enzo's, 'cause i don't believe it is, but when i think of 'exotics', the first two things that come to my mind are Ferraris & Lamborghinis, above everything else... The legacies that are Ferruccio Lamborghini & Enzo Ferrari should not be pitted against each other- being an enthusiast is not a game of survivor, rather they should be revered as greats in an otherwise monotonous automotive industry. | ||||
| Lloyd Bemis (Lloyd)
New member Username: Lloyd Post Number: 35 Registered: 8-2001 |
DES I owned a 93 Viper and it is my understanding that there are two reasons for the average collision claim on the Viper being in excess of $20,000. First, when you lose it in a Viper you really loose it. I spun mine once on the street and was lucky not to hit anything. The second reason is the clamshell hood is one piece and I believe costs in excess of $10,000. The 2003 Viper no longer has a one piece hood because of this high replacement cost. | ||||
| Jeff Green (Carguy)
Junior Member Username: Carguy Post Number: 129 Registered: 10-2002 |
jr vee - where have you seen Vipers in the low twenties? I've seen a few ragged out ones in the mid-thirties, but never in the twenties. Vipers do sound like trucks, the side exhaust is worst. I remember racing a Viper with my modified ZR-1. The Viper had a big aftermarket exhaust and the sound was absolutely ear-piercing and deafening! My ZR-1 did beat it too...but it was close. I wouldn't even think about messing with one in my Testarossa on the straights, but in the curves and braking it would be another story. | ||||
| Mark Lambert (Mlambert890)
New member Username: Mlambert890 Post Number: 34 Registered: 4-2002 |
Don't belittle Ferruccio Lamborghini. The history of Lamborghini is closely intertwined with Ferrari and, while Ferruccio never achieved the level of notoriety that Enzo did, he clearly left a permanent mark on automotive history. Enzo chose to lead a flamboyant lifestyle that attracts the easily impressed. I think Enzo deserves the level of fame he achieved on his accomplishments alone, but unfortunately, fame is rarely purely based on accomplishment. That said, I am sure that plenty of people would love to have Ferruccio Lamborghini or Carol Shelby's autographs. | ||||
| jr vee (Jrv_)
New member Username: Jrv_ Post Number: 8 Registered: 12-2002 |
There are far more Posers in Vipers and Vettes than Ferraris and Lambos, the Viper/Vettes are the ultimate disco club cruisers Vipers sound like UPS Trucks and drive like them also, I have driven a few, as far as bang for buck who cares they are Chevys and Dodges, if you wanna play you gotta pay Vipers are on the lowest price scale of all , 99% of all Ferraris cost more than a Viper which you can buy from the low 20s, NSXs cost more Back to Lambo vs Ferrari, who is Mr Lambo anyway Ive never seen a picture of him, he must have hid himself for a reason, now Enzo was the epitome of cool and style, his look as famous as his name, the white hair and cool shades, laid back style not to mention popularity greater than the Pope in Italy in his day, people would wait outside his Factory to kiss his hand or get an autograph Daily, has this ever happened with Lambo? Shelby? | ||||
| Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
Junior Member Username: Tbakowsky Post Number: 135 Registered: 9-2002 |
Mike B...I have to say I do agree with you on a number of points. I have seen first hand why alot of people purchase these cars. For 1. most are looking to fined friends with money. 2. They want to be social in a crowd that has money. Makes them feel important. 3.They think the car so going to get them girls. 4. They want to show everybody that they have money,when really most of these guys can barely afford to put gas in there cars. 5.They like the attention. But most people on this board did not buy there cars for this reason. The guys on this board really do enjoy the experiance of driving and owning a Ferrari no matter what year it is or how much it's worth. Please don't think the guy with the 308 at a Ferrari show is "riding on the coat tails" of the 300'000 dollar exotics. He is there to see the 300,000dollar exotics and display his car because he is proud of it. I have a 308 GTSI and to me and many other people this car is bare none the best looking car Ferrari has ever designed. The 348's and 355's are beautiful but many people don't know what they are. They know it's expensive but it is not instantly recognizable as a Ferrari like the 308,328 series cars. Just because the car costs 30 grand does not make it any less of a ferrari than the $300,000 one beside it. Besides the 308 is probbably better built. | ||||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 289 Registered: 5-2002 |
Here's a pic of what lambo is billing as their "Ferrari Killer".....or was it driver kill, I forget.  | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 224 Registered: 10-2002 |
Oh, no, Des is up again. So it is beeeeed-time for me. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 735 Registered: 8-2002 |
Rob- today seems like a perfect day for that story- please share...! Mike, i wasn't aware that a Viper would eat a 360- no smiley face here for that one.  i read an article last year that the average insurance pay out for a Viper involved in an accident was 20k... As an owner, can you tell me if there's any truth in that...? i mean, i don't want you to go out and get into an accident just to find out, but that stat seems a bit extreme for me... "I know a ton of guys who enjoy the cars for something other than the feel of mashing the gas pedal." i'm a gas pedal masher, through and through... i think if you buy a Ferrari just for that reason, that doesn't make you a poser- it just makes you a Ferrari-owning-gas pedal-masher...! A poser is someone who tries to be someone they're not... You get some guy who buys a Ferrari to be in with the in-crowd, that's a poser... doesn't really care about the car except for when it gets him noticed for social concerns... You get some guy who buys a Ferrari to go speeding down the interstate, now THAT i can understand... Yes, Kenneth, it IS a thin line, but that line is dotted, so you can just go around them... | ||||
| Rob Schermerhorn (Rexrcr)
Junior Member Username: Rexrcr Post Number: 57 Registered: 11-2002 |
I'll never forget my first drive in an F40 on the street 11 years ago. Had to test the systems before taking it to a track day: Gentile in first gear, didn't want tires to break traction, roll-on gradually in second, then quick squeeze, past 3000 rpm and WHAM, my head whacks the headrest as boost builds and I'm ready for the 2-3 shift in another second! Look down at the speedo while in 3rd and I'm doing way over 100mph, "••••, slow down man, this is a 45mph zone and the cops are always here." Love the "whoosh" of the boost recirculation valves on lift throttle. What a rush. Learned to either keep my head against the rest, or prepare my neck muscles for the strain. Then I got to the track. Story for another day.... | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 219 Registered: 10-2002 |
It is a thin line between those who are aiming for the best, and those who are just seeking for a status symbol, isn't it? | ||||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Junior Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 155 Registered: 9-2002 |
Mike B, I agree with you about the 'snob' feeling some owners give, its quite sad....and I understand the 'other' sports car thing too...reactions to nsxs are interesting to say the least...(nsx aka poor man's f-car is what I get mostly :p) IMHO, I don'y know what type of viper you have, but if you are looking at a f-car, try and keep your current viper...its alot less...IMO...'standoutish' and you don't have to worry about it as much everytime you park it somewhere...(major reason I like the NSX, or any non f-car BUT difficult if you have the RT10...I like RT10s..roadster is nice...but why no windows???) the sad thing is other people can NOT be trusted many times...the stories here abound about people haveing their badges ripped off and such...an expensive fix when considering the scraches and such...not to mention people stealing your car...the sad truth is people are really bad sometimes.. my 2c | ||||
| Fraser (Basher)
New member Username: Basher Post Number: 9 Registered: 10-2002 |
Just got back from holiday and just seen this board but have to dash to a meeting - have an interesting tale to tell of my old TVR Cerbera versus a Lambo but will elaborate later..... | ||||
| Mike B (Srt_mike)
New member Username: Srt_mike Post Number: 12 Registered: 12-2002 |
DES, No problem - Vipers are not for everyone. What they are, however, is the best bang for the buck (pretty much) in all of car-dom. They can be driven daily with relatively low maintenance costs, and it's not a car I am afraid to put some miles on. It's "just a Dodge" so it can be serviced most anywhere, and don't forget - straight outta the box, the Viper will run rings around the 360 - and not just by a little . Having said that, the Dodge is still just a Dodge. I've been looking at some Testarossas - nice cars (again IMO). The Viper will never get away from being "a Dodge", but it's one of the most potent performance cars available that lays the wood to cars costing 3x as much - and with looks to boot. The only other cars that have the same visual appeal, to me, are cars like the Testarossa, F40, Shelby Cobra, 67 Vette, and the like. But again, the Viper is just a Dodge and always will be. Now as for the posers... I'd say someone who drives the car, although not competitively, is Ok in my book. I know a ton of guys who enjoy the cars for something other than the feel of mashing the gas pedal. On the other hand, I've run into a lot of guys (in many different marques) who have the whole snob thing going on. I still find it amusing that there are guys in some of the more inexpensive Ferraris who would be snobby towards someone who wasn't in an F-car, but yet would quickly kiss the butt profusely of my friend when he rolls in driving his F40. It's sorta like the whole high-school mentality played out in the big leagues - but kinda sad when you really think about it. | ||||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 3095 Registered: 12-2000 |
I don't think there's anything wrong with owning any Ferrari if you're going to care for it and drive it. At least the posers have to drive to "pose". Many $100k+ exotics never see the light of day or dark of night. That's the true crime. More power to those that do drive their car... Jim driving 7 digit cars around the street, Chris Parr, and Jon Shirley gets a big vote from me. Anyone else see him driving his 250 GTO around MSR like it was meant? I think the attention a Ferrari or any other exotic gets is most often one of the negatives of ownership. I have a Ferrari and I really could care less if anyone saw me in it 90% of the time. That 10% of the time I do a car show or take it "out on the town", because it does make you feel good to share it with others. However, give me an open road or a track to bust it loose and I'm the most happy. Oh, btw, one thing that a Ferrari has that 99.9% of other cars can't claim is price stability and lower rate of depreciation, if any. What's a better deal over the next 3-5 years... a new C5 or a 348? Even with maintenance, you're going to end up more ahead financially with the 348. I'll save the fun factor comparison between the two for another thread, but the 348 is a no brainer for my rossa corsa blood. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 717 Registered: 8-2002 |
In my (seemingly) humble opinion, any Ferrari is an exotic Ferrari... Same thing with Lamborghini... i don't see Porsches being in the same "exotic" class as Horses or Bulls, but they do still make me stop and stare... Now, Mike, don't take this personal, it's just my own personal opinion, but i totally can't stand Vipers... As far as cars go, i'm no one to talk, i don't own a Ferrari, i barely even get to see them, (although, there's a Viper in my neighborhood- how's that for irony), but Vipers just don't do it for me, what so ever (although if someone offered me a ride in one, i can't say i'd turn it down- i mean, it IS still a sports car )... As far as posers are concerned, i definitely know how you feel... there are plenty of posers around here, buying cars just for the status symbol... This is due to the brainwashing of americans by way of mainstream society and the big brother capitalist corporations... Um- what i mean is, there are some people who will go out and buy a Porsche or some other sports car, but get it with an automatic transmission- why...? Driving a manual transmission is half the fun of owning a sports car... Ok, that's just my two (completely unnecessary) cents... Oh, and we can all pat ourselves on the backs, we completely hijacked this thread to the point of no return...! | ||||
| Mike B (Srt_mike)
New member Username: Srt_mike Post Number: 11 Registered: 12-2002 |
Omar, I don't mean to knock the 3 series at all... It's just that I've been to several Ferrari events in my Viper and it seems there are a lot of posers in 355's and 360's... and then there are posers in 308's or older/cheaper cars. The difference is posing in a 360 spyder requires a $200k+ investment, whereas posing in a ratted out example of a 308 requires - what - a $20k investment? Having said that, it's perfectly honorable to own a high mileage 308 that's on the low end of the 308 value scale - it's always gonna be a really cool car, but it's not really an exclusive car, IMO. The reason I laugh about this is that my buddy always used to laugh at these guys, because some of them were quite stuck up when I would go check out the car and ask a few questions... and yet would kiss up to him when he showed up in his F40. He always used to say how the whole food-chain of Ferraris was the worst part about owning the car.... he was in it for the track driving. Anyone who DRIVES any exclusive car - be it a 308 or an F40 or a Viper or a 911 deserves respect. I just like to laugh at the guys in the $25k "exotics" riding the coat-tails of the guys in their $500k exotics. | ||||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Junior Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 151 Registered: 9-2002 |
"Then again, you can't buy a fast LOOKING Lambo for anything less than around $100k. You can pick up early 300 series Ferraris for in the 20's all day long, from what I've seen. So there is probably more "wannabe" owners in the F club than the L-club who just like to say they own the marque " sorry, but some of use chose a 3x8 for more reasons than the fact its a f-car...we might actually like it rather than get one just to say we have f-cars my 2c. | ||||
| Modified348ts (Modman)
Member Username: Modman Post Number: 422 Registered: 11-2001 |
Ken, don't get me wrong- I still keep my want list and want a cigarette type speed boat and still go fishin in. The Diablo I will most probably keep since there's nothing like it, but it will be a couple of years or so till I bring up some capital to get the Enzo so I'm not jumping up and down real fast as during the time from now and then could change but it is my next Exotic on the list unless something better comes out or something bad happens to my income but we'll see, I always believe in shootin' for the farthest star. | ||||
| Matt (Matt_lamotte)
Junior Member Username: Matt_lamotte Post Number: 123 Registered: 10-2002 |
Thanks Mike for the info. I agree about comparing the diablo to the less expensive smaller engine Ferrari's. Diablos should be compared more along the lines of F40 and F50's. It's not fair or practical to compare a V8 to a V12. | ||||
| Matt (Matt_lamotte)
Junior Member Username: Matt_lamotte Post Number: 121 Registered: 10-2002 |
oops | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 217 Registered: 10-2002 |
Ah-Ha! A real Lambo story. Thanks a lot, Mike, you are the saviour for this thread. I am disheartened, though. I have now gone past the 200 mark and still cannot get a graduation. How come Des has got so many posts? | ||||
| Mike B (Srt_mike)
New member Username: Srt_mike Post Number: 10 Registered: 12-2002 |
A friend of mine has a Diablo VT. He's a big time drag racer, and although he doesn't drag race the Diablo, he DOES drive it hard on the street. I know he has put a hurtin' on quite a few F-body's on the highway, coming out of toll booths, etc, etc. I've been looking at Diablos also.. this will probably spark off a huge pi$$ing match but from being around these cars for so long, it seems like most owners of both marques buy for the poser value and not to really drive the car. But it seems there are very few people who ever "beat" on their Lambo's but I know quite a few Ferrari guys that love the track. Then again, you can't buy a fast LOOKING Lambo for anything less than around $100k. You can pick up early 300 series Ferraris for in the 20's all day long, from what I've seen. So there is probably more "wannabe" owners in the F club than the L-club who just like to say they own the marque As for the 360 to Diablo comparison - I don't think it really exists, since the Diablo is about twice as expensive as the 360. I think the Diablo is more a competitor to the 550/575 if not the F40, etc. Don't forget - the Murcielago is almost 300 g's! | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 215 Registered: 10-2002 |
Ok, Ok, I give in. Des, you made your point at Dec 18, 2002 4:33 p.m. already. I promise I will look at it again, and make sure that I can spell the word. D_I_A_B_L_OO. OK, my friend? | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 708 Registered: 8-2002 |
Vik, i'm dyin' to see it... email me as soon as you find it... :::DIABLO, DIABLO, DIABLO, DIABLO, DIABLO, DIABLO, DIABLO, DIABLO, DIABLO!::: | ||||
| Vik (Speed_demon_666)
New member Username: Speed_demon_666 Post Number: 8 Registered: 12-2002 |
Good morning and Happy New year gentlemen.....this thread is just amazing....just got back after a short time-off.... DES...still lookin for the video...u will be the first to view it.. | ||||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Junior Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 149 Registered: 9-2002 |
this thread will never end!! Ernesto, isnt that you in ur 360 in your porfile? | ||||
| Racer 001 (Mr_0011)
Member Username: Mr_0011 Post Number: 453 Registered: 3-2002 |
Ernesto, just post some pics... that should settle it... | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 183 Registered: 6-2002 |
There are several reasons, not particularly one. | ||||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1838 Registered: 6-2001 |
Im not trying to start anything, im just curious why you doubt it? | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 180 Registered: 6-2002 |
I am not the only one who doubts his 360 ownership, but i really dont care anymore. | ||||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1836 Registered: 6-2001 |
"I think this is very amusing. Whenever these little spats occur on F-chat, I always like to link the threads to the supra/porsche/vette forums so the other car guys get a glimpse of the insecurity of some f-car owners." I think we found who we can thank for all the recent troll problem here. Allan, everyone here knows you own the cars you say you own, but everyone here also knows ernesto has a 360. he only had one of the fastest street legal supras, i dont se why its so hard to beleive that he has a 360. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 691 Registered: 8-2002 |
Modman, PLEASE don't ditch the Diablo... i'm sure you have a few stories concerning the Diablo- sheesh, if i had one, i'd have a story for everytime i took it out... Sorry to hear about the car "hassle", try not to get rid of the really nice ones, but as you said, making YOU happy is #1... PLEASE KEEP US POSTED with regards to your Enzo purchase... please include an obscene amount of pictures, etc... we want to hear all about it... When you get the Enzo, call me, i'll come out to your place and i'll drive your Diablo and we can race... | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 207 Registered: 10-2002 |
Matt is reclaiming his thread just as I was running out of steam. There is nothing that I could do about it. Modman, So you are now going for an Enzo, and not an ocean yacht (or Murcielgao)? Good choice, friend !! What do you plan to do with the Diablo when you get the Enzo? | ||||
| Modified348ts (Modman)
Member Username: Modman Post Number: 421 Registered: 11-2001 |
DES, well I'm surprised what #post this is at and took a long time to load up this post. Well, there aren't any much stories to say on the Diablo from anything that would normally happen when you take this kind of car out. What would you like to know? I haven't driven the car in almost 2 months due to the weather around here so it just sits in the garage with the trickle charger on it. I hate to say this but I finally sold the 348 and will be looking into the Enzo down the road since it's my next sports car on the list, unreal but after seeing one in real life my car spending stops for now and the savings for the Enzo. I have too many cars to deal with so I narrowed it down to just keeping my favorites. I don't have a big enough garage so I alternate back and forth leaving some at work and some at home but it becomes a hassle when customer cars has to stay in the garage being full. I must say cars have been my biggest expense in the last few years and realize it's killing my investment, if I could narrow it down to a couple of cars I could possibly have the best of the best so I taught myself to just save, be patient, and get the best you can get that satisfies YOU, that is the key thing, satisfying you. I wanted to get the new Murcielago and told myself why? I would just get tired of it anyway and telling myself what do I really want.... you know from there on.... well everyone, happy new years.... | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 640 Registered: 8-2002 |
LMAO, Matt... i was gonna wait until this got way to the bottom, right near being archived, then bring it back up, again... LOL... | ||||
| Matt (Matt_lamotte)
Junior Member Username: Matt_lamotte Post Number: 113 Registered: 10-2002 |
Just when you thought the thread had died....seriously anyone have anymore stories or should I just drop it | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 202 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hurray !!! I am now past the 200 mark! Thank you everybody for the indulgence. Happy New Year, and bye for now! Have to earn some more money to get the next Diablo. | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 189 Registered: 10-2002 |
To everybody. I am nearly there. So be charitable. We have just past X'mas. | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 187 Registered: 10-2002 |
Des, You made me fall off my chair again. Tell me, pray, what graduation do I get when my total posts reach 200? | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 626 Registered: 8-2002 |
Oh crap, Ken's back- which means it's waaaaay past my bedtime... | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 185 Registered: 10-2002 |
Matt, It seems that there was not much action whilst you were on duty. | ||||
| Michael Wogronic (Michael_fvm)
New member Username: Michael_fvm Post Number: 24 Registered: 4-2002 |
DES, I put up some info in "Other Italian" section regarding new Lambo. | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 183 Registered: 10-2002 |
Matt, ZZZZZZzzzzzzzz. LOL | ||||
| Matt (Matt_lamotte)
Junior Member Username: Matt_lamotte Post Number: 111 Registered: 10-2002 |
Lol Kenneth. I'll take over for today. | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 182 Registered: 10-2002 |
It seems that Matt is now awake. So I'd better go to sleep. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 588 Registered: 8-2002 |
LOL, Matt... | ||||
| Matt (Matt_lamotte)
Junior Member Username: Matt_lamotte Post Number: 109 Registered: 10-2002 |
So has anyone had any good races with a Lambo.........lol sorry just had to ask. | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 179 Registered: 10-2002 |
Allan, "... the wife has to drive something doesn't she?" Good one. HA-ha. And welcome back. As you can see, I have moved heaven and earth to try to get guys like you to respond. Seriously, though, your rich experience (or should I say RICH) experience with Lambos really does provide a most valuable insight. And in fact, I love Lambos, too. I just want to explore the different attractions commanded by these 2 top marques. How's is your new venture coming along, anyway? | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 170 Registered: 6-2002 |
Des, So far every picture of the Baby Lambo is just a photshopped pic of a Murcielago. The only pics of the real car are the disguised tonka toy looking thing driving around. Manu, where are you? I need a price on a 360 Tubi exhaust? | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 584 Registered: 8-2002 |
"In response to why you would need a Ferrari if you have a Lambo? Well, thats easy, the wife has to drive something doesnt she?" LOL, that's awesome... Allan, from what i've seen of the Baby Lambo, i don't notice much of a difference... it seems to be only a slight variation of the Diablo... Is there maybe, some information you have you could share with us that would erradicate this notion i have...? | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 169 Registered: 6-2002 |
I have driven the Murcielago, and it is an awesome car. Im waiting to see what the new Baby Lambo looks like and then i will buy one of them. I have a Baby Lambo on order. I disagree that the Diablo looks better than Murcielago. People said the same thing when the Diablo came out, that it wasnt as good as the Countach. People have already begun experimenting with disconnecting the 4 wheel drive, changing the exhaust system and nitrous. People keep pointing to the fact that the F50 beat the Murcielago on the track, but no one ever brings up the point of how the cars were driven, or that the F50 was not stock. I have this video, and it is far from an indicator. In response to why you would need a Ferrari if you have a Lambo? Well, thats easy, the wife has to drive something doesnt she? | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 178 Registered: 10-2002 |
Manu, Oh, in that case, you have alienated me somewhat. Matt, Sorry, now that your baby has been born into this world, it is developing a personality of its own. I don't think I have created a split. In fact, I am not even sure if anybody is paying attention anymore. Des excepted. | ||||
| Matt (Matt_lamotte)
Junior Member Username: Matt_lamotte Post Number: 108 Registered: 10-2002 |
Well well well. It looks as though this little tiny question of a thread I created has gone crazy over the weekend. As DES has said all I wanted to know if anyone has had any good races with a Lambo. That's it. I wasn't trying to split the forum into 2 groups bickering but it appears I have. Guys it's a simple question. Yes or no. Not are lambo's better or are Ferrari's faster. Sorry Rob if this has gone the wrong way. I didn't plan on it and it does have some great parts to but CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG!!! | ||||
| Manu (Manu)
Member Username: Manu Post Number: 587 Registered: 2-2002 |
KCCK - I was a little disappointed with the Murcielago but I am increasingly getting the feeling that it was PARTIALLY becuase of the fact that I was driving a very tired demonstrator and I was treated so poorly by the salesman.... I'm willing to give it another chance.. | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 177 Registered: 10-2002 |
Des, Yes, I do go to sleep. But when I get up in the middle of the night to take a p___, which happens often, in typical loyal fashion, I thought of Ferrarichat, and then I thought, why not? So there you are. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 581 Registered: 8-2002 |
Oh, ok, now i remember... Thanks, Ken. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 580 Registered: 8-2002 |
Ken, (don't you ever sleep...?!?) Please tell me that's not a true story... i'm laughing hard enough as it is...! | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 176 Registered: 10-2002 |
Des, The "Modena" Thread? What do you mean? You WERE IN it!! There. http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/21/164970.html Happy reading. | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 175 Registered: 10-2002 |
Here is another story about Ferraris and Lambos. A lady was driving her friend's Lambo with her head held up in pride, along the beautiful countryside. She was so overwhelmed by the occasion that she was not concentrating on the road. But she could hardly care less. In the opposite direction, head on came a Ferrari, driven by a man. The lady was determined not to give way. As the cars passed each other, the man leaned out of the Ferrari's window, and shouted : "COWWWWWWWwwwwwwww !!!" Not to be outdone, she instantly retaliated, pulled down her windows, leaned out of the Lambo, stared at the man, and screamed back : "PIGGGGGGgggggggg !!!". AND ran over a COW. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 579 Registered: 8-2002 |
Ok, couple of questions, here: Some of you have made note of a Lamborghini forum- where is it...? Ken, you mentioned a Modena thread that's "pretty silly"... any idea where that is and is it worth reading...? Also, Jonas, several other people have made that same reference to the F50 beating the Murcielago (not bad for a '95 car), but no one's questioning Ferraris abilities: we just wanted to hear some good stories... i see Matt hasn't replied to this in a while, i'm wondering if he's just completely fed up with this whole thing- all he wanted was to hear some stories... Let's hope we can get some more in here... | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 174 Registered: 10-2002 |
Manu, I see that you are disappointed with the Murcielago. You know what, you have just instantly become my friend (until I actually own one, in which case I shall of course be revising my appraisal values). | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 173 Registered: 10-2002 |
I think this thread will continue into the New Year alright. If no one responds, the last word that I am threatening to put into this thread is "KCCK RULES OK". Now that should get somebody going. For now, it's Ferraris Rule OK. In Hong Kong, the notion is that people who have Ferraris would normally have a Rolls Royce as an everyday car. Not Lambos. (P.S. NOT that I have a Rolls) And pardon the question, "If I have a Lambo already, what do I need a Ferrari for?" | ||||
| Manu (Manu)
Member Username: Manu Post Number: 585 Registered: 2-2002 |
This thread is amazing.... Can we not continue it into the New Year ? I was once told that almost ALL Lamborghini owners also have a Ferrari... arguing which is superior is kind of academic really.... I love 'em both. | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 170 Registered: 10-2002 |
Jonas, Welcome back. Your note on what you perceive to be the most distinguishing aspects of a Ferrari is in fact very good. I like it. I am not worried about the personal exchanges that once got hot in this thread. I think all the participants have shown their good sense in letting go. So let us respect that collective good show, and avoid digging up obsolete vendettas again. (P.S. Your "Modena" thread, however, is something that I just could not resist. I have an excuse, though, in that you brought it up yourself. He-he-he!!!) The comparison between Ferraris and Lambos is a perennial question, and whilst this thread might close tomorrow, the debate will still go on infinitely like the fabled Titanic. You cannot stop it. Besides, without this thread, where else would you get the opportunity of displaying your talents in the way that you have just done in distilling the winning factors of a Ferrari? | ||||
| Jonas Petersen (Karsten335)
Junior Member Username: Karsten335 Post Number: 125 Registered: 11-2002 |
Kenneth, Yes, the Modena thread was very silly, and I have the feeling that this thread is going that way too. The discussion has gone out of hand. With people accusing others, saying they have to prove they own the cars that they state. You can't compare the two cars, the way that they do. Fact's is, that its two different cars, WITH 2 DIFFERENT KINDS OF CLIENTS But still would I like to mention Ferrari F50 beat the Murcielago in tracktime. Not bad for a 95' car against a 02' ;) | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 168 Registered: 10-2002 |
Ming, I understand from another thread that the record for the longest thread was 650+ posts. What they did was just to bump the post count up to beat the record which was held by a WTC thread. See Timn (Timn88) at http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/21/164970.html (from Nov 15, 2002 6:07 pm. onwards). But be warned, grabbed a chair first before you start peeping at the rest. And have your medication ready, just in case. | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 167 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hi, Ming, Nice to hear from you. Don't think this is the longest thread, yet, but as you can see, I am working on it. Des is helping out enormously. Oh how I get by with a little help from my friends. Say Yes to Ferraris !!! | ||||
| Ming Cheng (Onlinesys)
Junior Member Username: Onlinesys Post Number: 110 Registered: 5-2002 |
Hi Kenneth, Are you still enjoying your holidays today? One thing I am quite sure this might be the thread with most messages in Ferrarichat. (correct me if I was wrong!). Happy New Year! | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 166 Registered: 10-2002 |
I see that you are all dosing off again in Amercia. So I am now busy at work. Just went for a sojourn at the "other Italian" section. You know what - the Lambo fans (namely AllanLambo Solo) seem to like Diablos more than Murcielagos. But the Murcielago is faster on paper. So, see, it proves the point that even for Lambos, speed is NOT everything. No offence, AllanLambo. I know that you can take a joke or two. You are such a good sport. | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 165 Registered: 10-2002 |
Des, You have a point. What I would strongly dispute is the criticism that this thread is "the most stupid discussion ever". At its very worst, this thread can only be the "second-most stupid discussion ever". The 1st honour for this award has to go to another thread. I would not be so presumptuous as to usurp its rightful place in history. You have a good day too. And John, happy reading. It does not appear that this thread will be stopping in the foreseeable future. | ||||
| John (Modenaf1fan)
New member Username: Modenaf1fan Post Number: 30 Registered: 11-2002 |
this thread is going down in history! now my back hurts from readin all this | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 572 Registered: 8-2002 |
Ken, i have to disagree, i don't think this has been a waste of time... sure there have been a few squabbles along this thread, but i guess, if there's no way of avoiding those, then this was well worth it... The stories contained herein are pretty awesome and i know there are some more... Someone (i don't remember his name nor do i have the patience to click through the profile of this thread) has a blue Diablo roadster in his garage, parked next to a Ferrari... There MUST be some stories hidden behind the wheels of those cars and i'm sure we'd all like to hear them... | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 163 Registered: 10-2002 |
Come on, guys, join in the waste of time just to say what a waste of time this has been. | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 162 Registered: 10-2002 |
Jonas, I am not expecting any agreement - I am expecting arguments!!! I just love hearing Ferrari fans defending Ferraris. They can get so outrageously imaginative and entertaining. The Lambo fans are doing their bit of rejoicing over there. So why can't we reciprocate over here? This is a legitimate thread for Ferrarichat. So, heck, I shall keep posting until no one responds, which means that I shall get my final word. And if no one should respond, then why should anyone be upset about me babbling alone to myself anyway? So forgive me, but it is all done in the name of a silly passion for Ferrari - er, perhaps until I switch loyalty to a Diablo the next time round (if that happens at all), that is. Oh, just one more thing. You referred to your "Modena thread", I did not know what that was, so I popped over to have a look. I felt off my chair half way through, and had some difficulty in trying to climb back in. It is not easy to write this post whilst trying to keep a straight face. No hard feelings, man. Have a good day. | ||||
| Jonas Petersen (Karsten335)
Junior Member Username: Karsten335 Post Number: 124 Registered: 11-2002 |
This is worse than my Modena thread. It's the most stupid discussion ever. You would never come to an agreement, as long as you both have a love for 2 different marques. I know, that most people buy Ferrari's, and Allan, not becauses of reliabilty, cheaper maintainence and all the other pretty stupid reasons you mentioned. Ferrari's are getting designed by Pininfarina, and they are, said in a simple way.. Incredible designers. They make some very beautiful cars, much more beautiful than Lamborghini. Lamborghini are raw power. Ferrari is elegance. Lamborghini is for the kid, who wants exitement Ferrari is for the person who wants fun an joy. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 569 Registered: 8-2002 |
No... i'm not human... i live and breathe Ferraris & Lamborghinis... | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 157 Registered: 10-2002 |
Oh, no, Des, you are still there!! Don't you ever dose off, even where Bulls and Horses are concerned? | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 568 Registered: 8-2002 |
Ken, there's nothing nice about it... i'll never know what i really, truly want until i'm able to drive a Ferrari and a Lamborghini, but i think we all know what i lust after... ...both. | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 156 Registered: 10-2002 |
Ah, ha! I just realised that you guys have to go to sleep, and it is 18:11 p.m. my time. What a perfectly wonderful opportunity to sneak in and put up plenty of posts, when there is no one awake around who might suddenly bite your head off. So I am getting very busy down here. He-he!!! Going back to the theme of "Ferrari v Lambos", in earlier days it used to be the notion that a Ferrari should only be used as a "second car", a "weekend car". That means in the minds of most ordinary folks, a Ferrari is already an extreme enough car. A Lambo is even more extreme than a Ferrari. It goes for stark sensual excitement. For this reason, Lambo fans are normally bent on saying that Lambos are superior to Ferraris (don't shoot me over this, go to the Lamboforum, and they all say it). Just look at the raw figures, and their case rests. For Ferrari fans? They will say that Ferraris are refined, subtle, sophisticated, modest, well-mannered, gentlemanly, considerate, but still supremely ABLE whenever the special need should arise to come forward with a pure performance, heart-throbbing, model. There, from the adjectives that I have used, you know my preferences. | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 155 Registered: 10-2002 |
Des, For many lads, the harDESt thing in life, is usually the niCESt thing in life. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 563 Registered: 8-2002 |
Kenneth, ordinarily, yes, it does depend on who the woman is. Unfortunately, the harDESt thing in life is watching someone you love, love someone else. So in this case, i'm forced to opt for the automobile over the woman, so as to preserve my sanity. | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 150 Registered: 10-2002 |
Allan, I am please to see that you have moved on. Good for you. Des, Does it not depend on the woman? | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 149 Registered: 10-2002 |
Matts (of Matthewmag), Yes, Yes, I was the driver in the pink Lambo (at least so I think). So give us the story!!! I would however reserve the right to clarify that I was not the driver if, after hearing your story, I should decide that I was not the driver after all. Smile, everybody. | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 168 Registered: 6-2002 |
You are right about Andy Barchiti(spelling), in the Supra coming in 3rd in the Cannonball. Lets not fail to mention it was a highly modified Supra also. As for racing a pinkish purple Diablo in London, didnt the guy from Jamiroquoi have one? I know he later wrecked it. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 551 Registered: 8-2002 |
Tom...! Large breasts are awesome...! i'm in total agreement with you...! However, if given the chance to be with a woman with mammoth appendages or go for a drive in a Bull or a Horse- well... she's just gonna have to wait...! | ||||
| Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
Junior Member Username: Tbakowsky Post Number: 115 Registered: 9-2002 |
Just one more thing to add I like Ferrari's I like Lambo's too But I like large breasts better than both!! Sorry felt a little humor was needed | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 548 Registered: 8-2002 |
Matt, thanks again for keeping with the thread's topic... unfortunately, alot of other people aren't being too nice as we've asked them several times to cease with the garbage... ALL WE WANT, ARE STORIES, PEOPLE...! Now if we could continue on that path, we'd all be happier... Maybe the gentleman with the blue roadster has a tale to share with us... Hmmmm...? | ||||
| yasir saifullah (Yasir)
New member Username: Yasir Post Number: 23 Registered: 7-2002 |
James, No i'm not talking about Reg,i'm infact talking about Andi Baritchi from Austin,TX.Though it was Andi's first time there,he not only finished it,he infact secured a 3rd position,an achievement if you ask any car enthusiast.One lap not only test the cars limit,it checks the drivers stamina and the skills too. Later, Yasir | ||||
| James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Member Username: Omnadren250 Post Number: 386 Registered: 7-2001 |
I don't have anything to add. I just wanted to have the 300th post on this pathetic thread. | ||||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Junior Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 129 Registered: 9-2002 |
"A Ferrari in hand is worth 2 Lambos in the head". Wha??? Sorry I don't get it. :p | ||||
| matt (Matthewmag)
New member Username: Matthewmag Post Number: 6 Registered: 11-2002 |
Ahh kenneth, good words. I for one couldn't really care less about who owns what unless it's in my rear view mirror at the time. now, about mistresses, or should I try to get back to the other topic? cheers DES, for the welcome. i've seen a few lambos when i was in england. in fact that's an understatement. depending on which street corner you hang out on (if you're taken to hanging out on street corners) london is teeming with hot cars. obviously when you're in central london the traffic's so bad that whatever kind of modified lambo you've got, it won't be doing more than 5mph....... but Lambos i've seen really giving it some on the road - there's only a few of those. For a start, Ferraris are positively common compared to Lambos in england and, of the cars that you typically see being thrashed around, it's mainly fast BMWs, Porsches and bucket-loads of really badly driven TVRs..... Like you said Des, it's kind of down to the driver, right? And the only genuine road races i've ever seen involving Lambos reflect totally shamefully on their drivers..... Allan, Dan and all the other Lambo owner / fans, I'm sure this doesn't relate you at all - I've driven a bunch of "interesting" cars but never a Lambo so I really wouldn't know what they're like to drive (of course I'd like to find out for myself) - except to say that I don't think there's any such thing as a slow Lambo whereas some of the little f-cars struggle a bit. I've also heard numerous Miuras and a grid of 27 Diablo SVR's on open pipes and the only Ferraris that sound so good are pure racers. And to add to that, Lambos have often had the reputation as the driver's car whenever 2 models of the same period are compared (BB vs. Countach, Daytona vs. Miura, 308 vs. Jalpa, 365 GT4 vs. Espada!! ......) So er yeah, it's a bit strange that whenever I've seen someone opening one up on the street, they've always been the kind of driver that doesn't deserve the car........ Coming back from Silverstone the year after that pic of the F40 etc was taken, 2 guys I know were in a lime green Lamborghini Miura S (ex Twiggy / Justin de Villeneuve) and told me this story when they got back home. So if this one isn't first hand, sorry, I'll try to make up for that later...... Getting away from Silverstone is a total nightmare traffic-wise but there are one or two routes onto the motorway taking smaller roads that are known to the regulars......... It was on one of these that a Volkswagen Passat estate complete with 3 passengers, two of whom were in kiddie seats in the back starts clinging on to the Miura's tail. The driver of the Miura is one of those guys whose ego outshines his talent, and that day he was pretty fresh from crashing his Lotus Cortina race car while testing at Goodwood........ He put his foot down and naturally pulled away from the VW with ease but whoever was in the Passat knew how to drive and knew the road and just kept his foot down, not braking for a very fast downhill lefthander and four wheel drifting round the outside of the Lambo. The guys in the Miura didn't get past the VW after that......I wish I'd seen the look on all of their faces........ It really does show what a good driver can do though, no matter what he's in. My only first hand experience of dicing with a Lambo was at night in south London and was with a pink-purple metal flake Diablo with blacked out windows...... now that's already a good excuse for whoever was driving that Diablo - perhaps he got spanked by a funny-looking 308 because he simply couldn't see where he was going - but I just wanted to be polite and give the opportunity to that anonymous driver to ask me not to tell the story, just in case you're out there.........? | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 148 Registered: 10-2002 |
I do not want to bear witness to another personal duel. It is happening far too often over the past few weeks. Please try to make Ferrarichat a pleasant place to visit. All that it needs is for both sides to let go. I am only interested in the "Ferrari v Lambo" comparison. This question is what this thread is all about. To many, this might be a stupid question. To some, like me, this however is THE question. Different people have different experiences and different views. I really would like to know what they think. We have come this far in this thread, there are some wonderful discussions, and it will be such a pity if this thread has to wind up being trashed. | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 147 Registered: 10-2002 |
Thanks, Michael. I should better stay off the "Murcielago" issue for now, since I have not bought any yet. I do not want to be dwelling upon "vapour acquisitions", as one famous software company is so renowned for. As Confucious he says, "A Ferrari in hand is worth 2 Lambos in the head". | ||||
| RyanK (Ryanab)
Junior Member Username: Ryanab Post Number: 205 Registered: 3-2002 |
Ernesto, do you not have enough common sense to just drop it and move on? Who cares if others doubt your ownership. This thread should be moved to the Hall of Shame.. Ryan | ||||
| Michael Wogronic (Michael_fvm)
New member Username: Michael_fvm Post Number: 21 Registered: 4-2002 |
Kenneth, Luxury Tax was a tax that was applied to luxury goods (cars, boats, planes etc). When the tax was started, it was not very popular with high-line car dealers, and was slowly phased out until it completely disappears at the end of 2002. During 2002, the tax rate was 3% for the dollar value over $40,000 for autos. Therefore, on a Murcielago, the purchaser was taxed about $7200 (3% of about $240,000). This luxury tax was in addition to regular sales tax. Many customers had no idea that the tax ends on 12/31/02 | ||||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 993 Registered: 2-2001 |
OH NO! My credibility with Steve and Allan is destroyed!! They don't believe I own a 360! Now, what am I ever going to do?! LOL... its like talking to little kids... Ernesto | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 140 Registered: 10-2002 |
Guys, I just had a peep over there at the lamboforum. Since I am not a Lambo owner, I read only one thread just for the feel of it. They were self-congratulating themselves over there. So no arguments on that count. Over here - back to the reality - enjoy Ferrari-bashing at ferrarichat.com !!! | ||||
| steve Lauren (Steve308gtsi)
New member Username: Steve308gtsi Post Number: 23 Registered: 5-2002 |
Ernesto get over it already. I also got emails from others last week questioning your credibility before Allan even asked you to basically put up or shut up. You could have shut alot of people up right there. The best you came up with was for him to fly to puerto rico? I almost fell out of my chair when I read that. When you talk about "spanking" you have to be prepared to back that up. | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 139 Registered: 10-2002 |
Michael, I have bookmarked your site. Thanks again. I will be talking to my friends to feel the water. You mentioned about US luxury tax, how much is that, and where does it come in in the equation? | ||||
| James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Member Username: Omnadren250 Post Number: 385 Registered: 7-2001 |
Yasir, That Supra is from my city, Calgary, Alberta, Canada. The owner is Reg Reimer and co-driver is the 21 year old. | ||||
| yasir saifullah (Yasir)
New member Username: Yasir Post Number: 22 Registered: 7-2002 |
Is Cannonball the same as One Lap of America ? If yes then do you know what car came third,a Supra TT.O btw it was his very first attempt at that particular event and get this he's only 21 years old. Later, Yasir | ||||
| Michael Wogronic (Michael_fvm)
New member Username: Michael_fvm Post Number: 20 Registered: 4-2002 |
Kenneth, Here are prices for 2003 US Murcielagos: Base Price $279,800 Special Paint $2500 Customized Paint $6500 Two-tone or Alcantara interior $1875 Customized Interior $4375 Navigation $3750 | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 167 Registered: 6-2002 |
James, also a Murcielago has not been entered in the Cannonball. Karl Troy who piloted last years 10th place Diablo, should be back this year to try again. According to him (he is on the Lambolist) his biggest downfall was his brakes. This year i think he'll be changing that. 10th place is pretty good for a 1994 stock Vt against other heavily modified cars. Looking through the Cannonball records, i checked 7 years back and a Ferrari has not been in the top 25. Also i recieved an email from someone asking what happens to Ferrari's at the Viper-Ferrari challange? | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 135 Registered: 10-2002 |
Many thanks for the information. I know many exotic car owners here do go to extreme lengths to import their chosen automobiles into this territory, just in order to beat the Government in its own game. It might not be worth the trouble, but it is fun and is a real challenge. I will make further inquiries at my end. Now, as regards the topic of the thread (is it still there?), may I just say this (and no offence meant), a Ferrari to me is like a wife. A Lambo to me is like a mistress. You may get extra excitement on the occasions when you go flirting with the mistress, however it does have a tendency to cost more. And at the end of the day? You return to your wife - touch wood. :-) | ||||
| Michael Wogronic (Michael_fvm)
New member Username: Michael_fvm Post Number: 19 Registered: 4-2002 |
Kenneth, We have a couple Murcielagos in the $284K-286K range. And don't forget, US luxury tax goes away after 12/31/02. | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 166 Registered: 6-2002 |
Murcielago=274,000 U.S. | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 134 Registered: 10-2002 |
How much does a Murcielago cost in the United States or Canada these days? In HK, the Government tax raises the bill up to the equivalent of approximately US$350,000. A 575 Ferrari is round about the same, give or take a few grands. 456M GTA? US$375,000, perhaps. | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 165 Registered: 6-2002 |
James, since we're talking about the Cannonball, last year a Diablo finished 10th, and a few years back a Diablo Sv narrowly missed 1st to a Mosler race car. I havent seen very many Ferraris in the event at all. Ernesto, You talk so much trash its funny. You made me an offer? I think i made you an offer, and you cant come through, so you made a rediculous counter-offer. Come to Scottsdale, ill even take you to Scottsdale Ferrari, so you can sit in a real 360! | ||||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 255 Registered: 10-2002 |
Mod You bring up a very interesting point. Comfort. Even in racecars this is very important. Cramming your self into too small overly hot deafening place for 24 hours really impairs your ability to drive at your best. Ford was one of the first to realize this. Mark Donohue said that driving my MK-IV was like driving a big Caddy and that's what made it so fast, it didn't beat you up. When Vaccerla got out of the P4 after the 67 race he colasped. I once drove my 275GTB from Boston to New York in under 2 hours but it was much more stress than fun. IMHO the LeMans of Street racing was the early Cannonball. The record NY to La in under 33 hours was set in a Ferrari street car and in the sanitized version of that race One Lap the Merchielago DNF'ed. Alan 223 was before the kink in the Mulseanne. McLaren was 700rpm's under the redline at that point. BTW I agree that these are all great cars and all that matters is that you enjoy whatever you may be lucky enough to own. Best | ||||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 992 Registered: 2-2001 |
Omar, I am not the one SEEKING the proof of anything. Allan is the one who apparantly feels the need for people to prove that they own things for whatever stupid internal reason of his. Perhaps a doctor can help him with that with some medication. HE is the one who wants to see proof, so I made an offer to him. He backed off that offer, showing that his mouth is bigger than his actions. I have nothing to prove to anybody, especially insecure people who have an obsessive need to convince others that they have "good" things, which are much better than everybody else's things. Ernesto | ||||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Junior Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 127 Registered: 9-2002 |
DES, as should you! :D | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 545 Registered: 8-2002 |
Omar... (go to sleep!) . | ||||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Junior Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 126 Registered: 9-2002 |
DES, . | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 543 Registered: 8-2002 |
Modman... ...can you share some of the stories that i KNOW are in that blue roadster you've got in your garage...? Matt and i (and the other Matt & Kenneth & Omar) would really like to hear some... Thanks... | ||||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Junior Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 125 Registered: 9-2002 |
Ernesto, if I were you, I would fly so fast over to AZ...but then again, I am poorer than you and would love a nice pseudo/kinda/sorta hand out 5000 can buy you alot of nifty things | ||||
| Modified348ts (Modman)
Member Username: Modman Post Number: 420 Registered: 11-2001 |
Man! this is getting sick around here, this must be a record post of the YEAR! Damn this car talk of this is faster than this is really childish and should be left back at the crib. If I introduced one of my customers to this site it would be disastrous, he would talk so much trash on how his Skyline would be out anything on the road which probably could so I won't bring him here. What I learned is there are different type of car owners out there- one who wants a car to be very fast to beat out cars in races ( mostly straight) and one who simply drives them for what they are and not what they aren't. Fortunately for me I now have the feel for such high dollar cars and now even if I had a Mclaren, I wouldn't feel any much different from having a Diablo or a Ferrari for many reasons that I have learned from car ownership. A car for me is a car that I can drive most of the time and not have to worry about break downs, one that is comfortable, and perform well in all aspects and definately it would not be an exotic sports car. Some may disagree without the experience but in time you'll find that there are times you want to be in a sports car and sometimes in a luxury car and it's best to have both. There are times I want to take the Diablo out for the hell of it when I'm in the mood and there are times I've had some real good times in it ( it's a great conversation piece without a doubt turns more attention ) but there are times I'm not in the mood so I take my Benz for running around town. If I'm in the mood to tear up the tires on turns and not having to worry of wrecking my car I take the Ferrari as to me it's like a cart I have confidence with. Hey, the best thing to do if you are into cars is to own the ones you sought for and drive them for a while and you will come to a conclusion. I like the new CL55 for my next vehicle and my next sportscar well, it may be a long wait but as much as I'm not too enthused on the outside shell, the inside screams for me, this is what a true sports car is made of. Of course money cannot be a factor to this but it is for the experience of a lifetime, it is the Enzo.. no other race car got as much of my attention as the Enzo did when I saw it in real life. I'm not after the speed but the handling of it. A cars handling capabilities is more important than top speed and that is a fact. Let's just end the speed battle and spend more time in our cars or other important things, I've done that for myself and you know what, I am achieving more on what I should be doing and that Enzo may end up in my garage within the next couple years while everyone else is chit chattin B.S.- just my advice, you don't have to take it but some others who used to be on this site quite often I don't see as much also, I wonder why? I came to this site to try to give some help on topics of cars that I have worked on, esp. the 348 but now after being absent for a few it's not the same as I saw it months ago. I hope it gets better as I saw it before. C-Ya - keep it real. and peace to you all and to you all a good night. Have a safe and prosperous new year to you all.... | ||||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 991 Registered: 2-2001 |
Yes,I dream of owning a Supra and a 360, just like you dream that your Diablo is fast... LOL Ernesto | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 164 Registered: 6-2002 |
Yes Ernesto, thats the best i can come up with. Id like to know if you dream of owning a Supra also or if you atleast have or had one of those? | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 162 Registered: 6-2002 |
Ernesto, I dont get out of my chair for 5,000, but if youd like, fly down to Arizona, title in hand, and ill pay you 5,000. The 348Ts i own is a 1992, and it is really meant for my wife. When i get back to Florida ill find the proof of the Lambos Lap times, that site doesnt list all the times. Des, did you see these vids? http://www.racingflix.com/featuredride.asp?f=5 223mph, looks like like it would be close, but what are you going to do about the time it takes to get there? Some of you take this the wrong way, it was a post about racing Lambos. Then someone posted negative remarks about lambos that i didnt agree with. I love both Ferraris and Lambos and both are great cars. Im just open minded enough to enjoy all types of cars, as you can see from my varied collection. That yellow car is a Lotus Tt by the way. I dont give a rats ass who won F1, what i care about is the car, and how it treats me. As you all know, Enzo didnt give a •••• about road cars, just racing F1, while Ferrucio didnt give a •••• about racing F1, just making road cars. | ||||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 990 Registered: 2-2001 |
LOL Allan... that's the best you can come up with when cornered? I guess when the going gets tough, the loud mouths stay in their chair... LOL... Ernesto Andrew, love the photos... the yellow Diablo in the back, as well it should be... there must have been curves in those roads... LOL... | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 161 Registered: 6-2002 |
Ernesto, I dont get out of my chair for 5,000, but if youd like, fly down to Arizona, title in hand, and ill pay you 5,000. The 348Ts i own is a 1992, and it is really meant for my wife. When i get back to Florida ill find the proof of the Lambos Lap times, that site doesnt list all the times. Des, did you see these vids? http://www.racingflix.com/login.asp?s=f5 Hmmm 223mph, sounds like it would be close, but what are you going to do about the time it takes to get there? | ||||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 253 Registered: 10-2002 |
Vic The races I'm talking about took place on public roads,in street legal cars. I've been invited back for the one that's being run next June before the 24 hours. Looking over the entry list I didn't notice any Lambo's. In 2000 I competed against a Diablo which ran in the supercar class at the Goodwood Festival of Speed. Unlike Eddie Irvine, who beat me in the Jag FI, the Diablo didn't. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 528 Registered: 8-2002 |
Not sure, Matt, i'll check that out, later... | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 133 Registered: 10-2002 |
Talk to you later. And for now? Long live Ferrari !!! | ||||
| Matt (Matt_lamotte)
Junior Member Username: Matt_lamotte Post Number: 106 Registered: 10-2002 |
Thanks DES for the info. Does anyone know where that car is. If I owned it I'd drive the damn thing everyday. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 525 Registered: 8-2002 |
My lips are sealed, buddy. | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 131 Registered: 10-2002 |
Des, Yeah, and I have modified my profile to add "Lambos" as my wanted cars. It is all AllanLambo's fault. It is just like the old days, when I was watching football. I usually backed up the winning side. The trouble is, that means I might have to switch loyalties several times during a match when the goals came in an alternative fashion. Keep this secret just between you and me, won't you? :-) | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 523 Registered: 8-2002 |
PS: A Lotec designed turbo system was installed in the Diablo mentioned below.. (Kenneth, just between you and i, Ferraris and Lamborghinis are all good, but i really wouldn't mind taking a shot at a track with the Dauer in my profile- 0-60 in 2.6 seconds...! i can't imagine what that must feel like...!) | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 130 Registered: 10-2002 |
Des, Other than that, I have no further questions on your "sweet car". | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 522 Registered: 8-2002 |
Ken, tough decision, but i agree, go for both. As far as choosing for the Bull: Diablo or Murcielago, i would have to test drive them, first... the Murcielago was more ergonomically designed for the driver to be more comfortable while driving, but the Diablo is so goddamn sweet, it's ridiculous... The Murcielago would have to be one helluva drive better than the Diablo for me to pick it... | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 129 Registered: 10-2002 |
And by the way, Ernesto, it is wonderful to have you here, since you are such a great defender of Ferraris, irrespective of whether or not you do own a Ferrari. So do go on by all means. I need that Ferrari-ego boost. And for my part, I am a believer. :-) | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 519 Registered: 8-2002 |
Well, Matt, here goes... supercars.net doesn't always have all the information one would like, though... here's what they DO have: Year 1998 Origin Not Available Make Lamborghini Gemballa Base Price Not Available Model Diablo T50 Production Not Available Engine & Transmission Body / Chassis Position Not Available Drive Wheels Not Available Configuration Twin Turbo V12 Curb Weight Not Available Valvetrain Not Available Length Not Available Displacement Not Available Width Not Available Power 559.3 kw / 750 bhp @ Not Available rpm Height Not Available Torque Not Available Wheelbase Not Available Bore Not Available Front Track Not Available Stroke Not Available Rear Track Not Available Redline Not Available Steering Not Available HP / Liter Not Available Body / Frame Not Available HP / Curb Weight Front Brakes Not Available Gear Type Not Available Front Brake Size Not Available 1st Gear Ratio Not Available Rear Brakes Not Available 2nd Gear Ratio Not Available Rear Brake Size Not Available 3rd Gear Ratio Not Available Front Wheels Not Available 4th Gear Ratio Not Available Rear Wheels Not Available 5th Gear Ratio Not Available Front Tires Not Available 6th Gear Ratio Not Available Rear Tires Not Available 7th Gear Ratio Not Available Front Suspension Not Available Final Drive Ratio Not Available Rear Suspension Not Available Performance Top Speed Not Available 0 - 60 mph Not Available 0 - � mile Not Available 0 - 100 mph Not Available Lateral Acceleration Not Available EPA City/Hwy Not Available ...and pictures:   That's all the info they have on it... Maybe i can look up the same model somewhere else and see if there's more info available... Sweet car, though, huh...? | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 126 Registered: 10-2002 |
Des, Sorry, I was not being precise enough. When I said "the lights turned amber", I ought to have said "red-amber". Ever since I was a kid, I have always wondered about the "Ferrari v Lambo - which one should I choose if I had the money" question. Evidently, the debate still goes on. The best answer is to own both. I do not know whether or not I should get a Diablo next time round. Or perhaps a Murcielago. Not much difference in price between the two. I love the 456 though and do not think that I would be giving it up. It is such a gentlemanly modest car. I know a guy who has owned a succession of Lamborghinis, amongst Ferraris and other exotics (N.B. usually at the same time). He is concerned about the Diablo being too wide for the twisty roads, and is difficult to see out of the back when reversing. I guess in Hong Kong, we do have our unique little problems. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 518 Registered: 8-2002 |
Oh, man, Matt, you want like, technical info...? i'll try to find it... i was browsing through supercars.net one day and i saw the picture and really liked it... it's so up-close the rear just screams power so i just downloaded it, mixed it in with the other two cars and made that my DESktop picture... i've changed it only a billion times, since then, but let me see if i can find some info... i think it's either a '97 or a '98... Omar, please don't post any pictures, i don't think i could handle it... i went to wreckedexotics.com once and i almost had a seizure...! | ||||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Junior Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 107 Registered: 9-2002 |
Des, Generaly for most here I think rain = beater/daily time. As for rust, most of the 70s-80s will, as Ferrari wasnt keen on rust proofing. I have seen rusty TRs and I must say, it broke my heart. :cry: | ||||
| Matt (Matt_lamotte)
Junior Member Username: Matt_lamotte Post Number: 105 Registered: 10-2002 |
DES, You got any info on the biturbo diablo in your profile? | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 517 Registered: 8-2002 |
Omar, unless necessity impeDES, i'm generally inside when it's raining... it's so depressing to want to go for a drive but you can't 'cause it's raining... but its understood that there's a balance with everything, and i must sulk through the rain so as to not lose my appreciation for the nicer weather... Which exotic would rust in the rain...? That's a scary thought, i've never heard that before... | ||||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Junior Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 106 Registered: 9-2002 |
Des, you would not want to drive an older one esp in the rain just for the sake of rust. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 515 Registered: 8-2002 |
HA HA HA, Kenneth, that's the coolest 'slow' story i've ever heard... You said the light turned amber before it turned green- where do you live...? Willis, i would have no problem driving an exotic in the rain, i just can't deal with it all the time, 'cause it makes driving conditions less than adequate... | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 125 Registered: 10-2002 |
Des, My only brush with a Diablo was at a set of traffic lights. I was there, and he pulled up beside me. I tried not to look at him. But I did. I tried not to let him realise that I was looking at him. But he did. I thought, "this is it". The lights turned amber, then green. He and I did the same thing, almost at the same time. What was that? He waved at me and I waved at him. I tried to let him go first. He tried to return the compliments. It took quite a while before we could sort out who was going to move first. None of the cars waiting behind blew their horns. They thought that it was nice, too. Now that is what I call "mutual respect". | ||||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Junior Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 104 Registered: 9-2002 |
Des, sorry I don't know... I know Allan from his posting on NSXprime...where he converted me into a Lotus lover...I would still never buy one, but ONLY because I want to get a hold a certain f-cars first...when thats done then we will see. As far as I know, Allan has: 1. A wicked fast lotus ( http://www.nsxprime.com/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000829.html ) 2. a similar fast 98 diablo 3. a 94 black 348ts (which he traded his NSX NA1 on) He has had some of the following: 1. 308 2. 328 3. Countach w/ custom igintion (the car would pull as fast as his diablo does!) 4. early diablo 5. NSX NA1 He is also on the waiting list for the baby lambo I think :p Allan I miss some? BTW you are my role model...I want to be like you when I am your age. | ||||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Intermediate Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 1064 Registered: 8-2001 |
HAHA, Funny guy, DES! A lot of Ferrari guys in the Seattle area drive our cars year round. A little rain is nothing. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 511 Registered: 8-2002 |
Omar, is his Lotus yellow...? Maybe that's what's in the garage, next to the Diablo... Damn, that's some collection of cars he's got... Willis, there's no Ferraris or Lamborghinis in Seattle 'cause it rains 180 days out of the year over there...! There are a few places in this world that i would NEVER move to- Seattle is definitely one of them...! | ||||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Junior Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 103 Registered: 9-2002 |
Allan has a wicked Lotus too, a rare racing edition... ...and he used to have a NSX too...Allan come back w/ a NSX NA2...we miss you over on prime | ||||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Intermediate Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 1062 Registered: 8-2001 |
No stories here. There aren't any Lambos on the streets of Seattle. OK, There are, but they mostly show up once a year for the Concorso Italiano. Seen a black Diablo VT a few years back (before my Ferrari-owning days), but the guy was stuck in traffic and talking on the cellphone. That was the only time I've seen a Lambo on the streets around here. No Lambo dealer here either. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 510 Registered: 8-2002 |
Hey, Allan, what's that yellow car next to the Diablo, in the garage...? That's not a Mustang, is it...? It's hard to tell... Also, you mentioned you own a Ferrari- what kind...? Any pictures...? i'd love to see it... | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 509 Registered: 8-2002 |
Ken, i don't think there was ever a question of whether Ferrari could build obscenely fast automobiles- the debate was just over which is better: The Bull or the Horse... We learned that Allan hates Lamborghinis, Ernesto is buying one tomorrow and i'm trading my FerrariChat.com membership in to register with a Supra site... Ken, do you have any stories you can share with us...? (i feel like a little kid; "IT'S STORY TIME, IT'S STORY TIME!") | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 124 Registered: 10-2002 |
And if Ferrari should ever be in trouble with their "bread and butter" market, all that they have to do is to turn these special machines into "standard stock". The ability is there, right? | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 123 Registered: 10-2002 |
So this goes on to show that Ferrari can build extremely fast cars too, if they had wanted to? | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 506 Registered: 8-2002 |
Andrew, the pictures are just AWESOME and let your dad know that he's now my new best friend. Matt, where's my manners...? WELCOME to FerrariChat...! You've got some really cool first posts... Are you gonna share the Lamborghini story or should i call the ambulance now, and tell them to have the defibrulators ready...? That Ferrari story is cool... Do you see Ferraris and Lamborghinis out there, often...? Whenever i see a Ferrari on the road and the driver is clearly looking to have a little fun, i'm balls to the wall trying to join in on it... | ||||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 444 Registered: 10-2001 |
DES , that was near greenwich (Ct) last year . I was driving the Diablo , following the F40 . Both are my fathers . Glad u like it   | ||||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 443 Registered: 10-2001 |
Allan , please tell me then how the F50 was modified ? The GT and SV lapped the ring in 8.04 and 8.09 as proven by the link i gave . If you have another link to show the times you stated please share . I didnt mention about the Murcielago times because i know its faster than the 550/575 but that wasnt the question .Those times prove that the Diablo wasnt faster than the Maranello. | ||||
| matt (Matthewmag)
New member Username: Matthewmag Post Number: 5 Registered: 11-2002 |
In the photo: 3 of us were in convoy - 1970 E-type jaguar 4.2 (modified engine, standard suspension and brakes, terrifying), 308gt4 (very mildly tweaked but with myself and 3 passengers on board), and 2 buddies in a modified bright orange fiat 131 sport twincam who were making a pretty solid attempt to keep with us....... We came across the Porsche 928 s2 first (do they have the s2 in usa?) and he put his foot down.... Actually not a lot of performance difference between between the 928 and the 308 at the speeds we were doing (100mph ish) and not long enough to come to any conclusions, the e-type started to pull away though (as I said, terrifying, could see it wafting all over the road under acceleration)...... and then our mates spotted the F40 coming up behind their Fiat and started flashing their lights...... They pulled out behind the 928, slowing the F40 to our speed...... but you can't keep an F40 behind you very long (it makes a very big impression when you see it in the mirror) and first the fiat, then the 928 pulled over to let it past...... the guy in the 928 kept his foot down and pulled out right behind the F40 (trying to get a slipstream, who knows?) but, considering that at that point we were all doing about the same speed, it's difficult to express just how fast the F40 caught and passed the porsche turbo in the distance..... Obviously by the time the porsche had been passed, he had a good look in his mirrors and put his foot down too.... the e-type was gaining on him nicely by the time we all had to ease off and cruise the rest of the way to the circuit - there's a few speed traps on the way to Silverstone whenever there's a big event going on. By the time we arrived, the F40 was parked (along with a whole bunch of other F40s) and the owner was not in sight...... I know, it's not a lambo story - but the best lambo road racing story I have happened the following year on the way back home from the Coys Historic........ (it's a good event!) | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 504 Registered: 8-2002 |
Matt, the suspense is killing me... really... i'm a big guy, my heart can't take much more pressure... Now i have to run out to the post office, the bank and then get something to eat before i come back here... i hope you post your story or email it to me, by the time i get back... if not, i'm just gonna have to make up my own version, based on the picture... (Ferrari eats Porsche Turbo- literally; makes Ford driver drive off road; Other Porsche driver tries DESperately to keep up with Horse, only to find that the Ferrari just keeps getting smaller and smaller until it faDES out and the driver is on his way to my job, RIGHT NOW, to tell me he's gonna let me drive his car...! YEAH...! Um, you know what...? Let's just hear your version...) | ||||
| matt (Matthewmag)
New member Username: Matthewmag Post Number: 3 Registered: 11-2002 |
actually somewhere very cold and cloudy in europe where we all drive on the wrong side of the road....... On the way to Silverstone (UK) for the Coys historic festival....... | ||||
| john (Johnwto)
New member Username: Johnwto Post Number: 32 Registered: 6-2002 |
ernesto, re-read my post, i completely believe u | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 503 Registered: 8-2002 |
Somewhere HOT in Europe, might be a better guess... | ||||
| Vik (Speed_demon_666)
New member Username: Speed_demon_666 Post Number: 7 Registered: 12-2002 |
Thats true DES.....Sounds like it was an exciting episode Matt.....give us more details...sweet pic...where was it taken? If you dont mind tellin us that is.....somewhere in Europe... | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 502 Registered: 8-2002 |
AH! Matt...! Don't tease me like that...! Please, tell us the story... i don't think anyone here will judge you... i'll admit, i've done some seriously stupid (ridiculously stupid) things in a car, but if you still feel uncomfortable, email me the story, i'll keep private. The picture is awesome... i've never seen an F40 or and F50 (they look real bad-ass from the back...) Please tell us the rest of the cars that were there and who was the second fastest... Sorry to hear you're having a rough day... Whenever i'm having a tough time, i drive out to see the pretty Ferraris at the Bentley dealership, a few towns over... Stories are awesome, i really hope you post yours... "Taking a chance, of course, the fast, the force; In front of us: cast, a course, to dance with torque, Feeding off speeding, this Prancing Horse." | ||||
| matt (Matthewmag)
New member Username: Matthewmag Post Number: 2 Registered: 11-2002 |
This is only my second ever post and quite frankly I'm too frightened to tell you about road racing a Diablo because 1. I hate admitting to doing anything so immature, stupid and blatantly illegal and 2. I don't think you're going to believe me.......... So instead enjoy the pic of this little run down to the shops. I don't think I need to comment about which was the fastest car on the day......... (that little black dot in the distance is a Porsche Turbo and was soon passed by the big red thing with a wing. The silver splodge, also in the distance is a Ford Mondeo who didn't know what was going on.) What's surprising is the second fastest car........ Can you guess? I was reluctant to post the photo though, not sure what it would do to DES's heart (or his eyesight)....... (I've been appreciating your comments though Des, I'm feeling very rough today and you're making me laugh a lot, thanks.)  | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 498 Registered: 8-2002 |
Vik, awesome... please... find that video... | ||||
| Vik (Speed_demon_666)
New member Username: Speed_demon_666 Post Number: 6 Registered: 12-2002 |
Well...to get back on "track"....I do have a story...whats even better is I had it on VIDEO...at least a part of it and I cant friggin find it...thats why I have been putting off my post....but I cant stand it anymore. This was in my friends Diablo and the sad part is I wasnt driving at that time. We were cruisin around the hills of Malibu when we pull up behind a nice lookin Maranello. Sure enuf he sees us in his rear view mirror and takes off. But we are talkin DIABLO here. My buddy nails it and we are on its tail. A turnout looms ahead and my buddy slams on it and the diablo shoots ahead of the Maranello. It was awesome when my buddy pulled ahead we are talkin about an inch of seperation between the two cars. At one point we were side by side but the diablo just kept goin and goin. It was surreal. That was the time I had my digital camera goin. Close to the foothills, My buddy and I had pulled over to enjoy the canyon view (after we lost sight of the Maranello...heh..heh), when shortly thereafter Maranello pulled over there too. We had a really nice conversation and he was just admiring the diablo.We were checkin out his Maranello too. Its a pretty sweet machine.It was'nt a hardcore race per say but it was close and it was fun. Whats nice was the fact we werent at blazin speeds throughout...cause of the mountain roads, but with all the nice sweeping turns and those short straight streches where we slammed on the gas, I will never forget it. Have to find that god damn video....cant believe i misplaced it.... | ||||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 255 Registered: 5-2002 |
Vik, it turns out there is more to racing than the specs. In a "street race", meaning street cars, no other rules, almost anything can happen. You just can't judge a book by the cover. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 495 Registered: 8-2002 |
Jrv, that's just perverted... This is a Ferrari chat site, no one wants to hear you talking about playing with your marbles... Please take that somewhere else...! (sorry, i couldn't resist...) | ||||
| jr vee (Jrv_)
New member Username: Jrv_ Post Number: 7 Registered: 12-2002 |
I've got piles of mud to throw,when a few Big Ego babys started throwing mud and getting personal with F cars owners here, blabbing how superior their cars fit and finish is to Ferrari and making accusations of members not owning cars,their age etc. Thats Ignorance Sound like little kids in the sand box fighting over whos marbles are prettier or better,if no one agrees, then throwing a fit and crying "I'm taking my marbles home" | ||||
| eli (ali) Latif (Ninja_eli)
New member Username: Ninja_eli Post Number: 27 Registered: 5-2002 |
sorry here are the sound files, they got lost when I edited.
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| Matt (Matt_lamotte)
Junior Member Username: Matt_lamotte Post Number: 104 Registered: 10-2002 |
Vic, Thanks for the compliment. I couldn't have done it without DES I don't know too much technical stuff and see maybe 1 ferrari in person every 8 months to a year around here so this place is my only fix on what it like to drive a ferrari or other supercar. Great stories so far and I am sitting here at work waiting on more. | ||||
| eli (ali) Latif (Ninja_eli)
New member Username: Ninja_eli Post Number: 26 Registered: 5-2002 |
Listen to these two sound files. Both stock. The Diablo just does not cut it in the sound effects department. The Ferrari 12's don't sound that great either. I personally bought the car for the sound. I guess we all buy them for different reasons. One thing though, why buy a 348 while having a Diablo? Geniune question, just thought the 348 would be way off in terms of excitement both visually and aurally. BUT, I guess that question answers reinforces the previous assertion: we all buy these things for different reasons. Have a great New Year guys. Personally prefer Ferrari, they seem to be better built and have a little more class, not quite as extravagant. Some like this some not. Personal choice. In the UK the Lamborghini dealers are awful, they are also a Ferrari authorised dealer and really really annoying arrogant setup. Can't ever buy one for the fear of having to deal with them!!! | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 493 Registered: 8-2002 |
Vik, as much as i'd like to take the credit for this thread, Matt's the one who started it- i just got real excited when he did. i don't know about anyone else but i'm waiting (and i'm sure Matt is, too) to hear your story... Maybe with your tale, we can get this thread back on "track" (or road course, i don't wanna offend anyone! ) Maybe we can even get some pictures involved, too... Andrew's picture of the F40 (or is it an F50) with the yellow Bull behind it is awesome... (PS: just for the record, track or closed course or street or otherwise, i'll beat a Ferrari in a Lambo or a Lambo in a Ferrari or whatever- what it REALLY comes down to is who's driving these things...!) | ||||
| Vik (Speed_demon_666)
New member Username: Speed_demon_666 Post Number: 5 Registered: 12-2002 |
My...My.....what an amazing thread DES and Matt set off....bottom line....anyone can easily see just by looking at the specs that a Lambo can take any Ferrai (barring the F50 of course...which some people dont understand..is not a stock car). I find it hard not to laugh at posts by some of you claiming that "Lambos cannot be compared to a Ferrari". This just speaks volumes about your ignorance. Now no way a Lambo can be compared to Ferrari in terms of thrills. Ferrari cant stand up to it. But I am pretty sure thats not what Jr_vee had in mind. Ernesto...you seem to have been in some pretty impressive machines. Sure you like the 360 but are u telling me 360 or the 355 or the 550 or the 575 (current HOT selling models) gives u the same adrenaline rush like the brute power of a diablo or even a countach? I doubt it...have been in both and the Ferrari does not come close to the Lambo. Now emotion......thats different...only a few lucky souls can experience that emotional satisfaction just cause u luv and own that brand irrespective of what others think. That I totally understand. But at times you have to put emotion aside and consider facts and figures....they dont lie. And James (Napolis) for the last time the thread refers to street races. Not a controlled race track where Ferrari can get away with anything they want. Ferrari's days are numbered both on the track and off the track. Me and buddies here are havin a great time looking at some of ur posts. They dont fit in at all.Keep in mind what the thread is about.Amongst all of us here at my work place we have lets see 2...no 3 ferraris. Barring some of the ridiculous posts this thread is amazing takin into account some of the nice experiences people have had with their machines. | ||||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 988 Registered: 2-2001 |
"you bring your race car and ill race you in a straightline in my Diablo" This is the funniest line. I'll beat you, as long as there are no curves on the road. LOL... Allan, what happened to your big mouth now? No actions to back it up? Dont you want to come down here and make a quick $5K? You can use the money to buy bigger "SV" stickers and larger wings and scoops for the Diablo, and put more chrome on those wheels? Then you can attract even more attention... LOL... Ernesto | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 491 Registered: 8-2002 |
"Ferrari is pure class Lambo is the chick in the corner with the too small red dress, FFF fake boobs, fake lips and bleached hair" This is ridiculous; a difference of opinion has left us mud-slinging...? Now we're putting down other cars, just for argument's sake...? Can we step back a minute and take a look at what this has turned into...? Anyone remember Matt (Matt lamotte) and his initial question...? Here, lemme repost it for you: Hey guys. I was wondering if any of you guys out there had run against a lambo. If so what kind of car did you have and what kind of lamborghini? I am sure Allan has some stories... We just wanna hear cool stories, we don't wanna argue or see anyone else argue. People, we're talking about cars, here... let's a get grip... $0.02 | ||||
| jr vee (Jrv_)
New member Username: Jrv_ Post Number: 6 Registered: 12-2002 |
As a teenager I did like the Countach and would have liked the Diablo as well but I also liked racing stickers on the outsides of cars, over size wheels and big wings and all the other stupid stuff, but I grew up Ferrari is pure class Lambo is the chick in the corner with the too small red dress, FFF fake boobs, fake lips and bleached hair | ||||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 252 Registered: 10-2002 |
Des See P4 Photos and Mr. Glickenhaus MK-IV threads. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 490 Registered: 8-2002 |
James, i just picked up a 1:59 Riley & Scott MK III- is the MK IV a racecar, too...? Is it street legal...? i mean, mine is small, but it's still a bad-lookin' car... | ||||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 251 Registered: 10-2002 |
Alan The top speed of my MK-IV is public record: 223MPH. I don't remember you claiming that your Lambo reached that speed. I'm still waiting for answers to my previous questions. Best | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 160 Registered: 6-2002 |
First off, i own a Ferrari. Second off, if all Lambo race owners just crapped out, what happened to Australian Paul Stokell who has succesfully piloted his Diablo against Ferraris, Vipers and Porsches for years? | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 159 Registered: 6-2002 |
James, youve resorted to a former race cars that are now street registered vs street cars thread? How about you bring your race car and ill race you in a straightline in my Diablo thread? | ||||
| jr vee (Jrv_)
New member Username: Jrv_ Post Number: 4 Registered: 12-2002 |
Ernesto, How else can they get to you other than saying you have no Ferrari, a desparate attempt, and all the emails of support, what a joke, he clearly needs approval of others which is why he has a Lambo in the first place Funny how you always get non ownwers in a site who come in and "Spread The Gospel" of how we are all mis guided in our ways with Ferrari, they want for us to "See The Light" and agree with them that their car is so superior Private owners did try and enter some races with Lambos but they all crapped out in typical Lambo fashion after a few laps Enzo was right Lambo should stick to making Tractors | ||||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Junior Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 249 Registered: 10-2002 |
Alan Still waiting for the list of road races that Lambo has won or even finished for that matter and wether or not you think you can lap LeMans faster than my 35 year old Ferrari... | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 158 Registered: 6-2002 |
Those are comments on a early model Diablo, which i myself said had horrible brakes, although not any worse than the same year Testarossa. | ||||
| dan (Dan_curtis)
New member Username: Dan_curtis Post Number: 3 Registered: 12-2002 |
Saw this review at a website, quite funny but he does seem happy with the car. No major failures either. What things have gone wrong with the car? Airconditioning useless - like I really care? Front wheel bearings needed replacing - but they were a bargain at 800 GBP compared to 9500 GBP for supply and fitment of a new front bumper! General comments? Car very quick - in a straight line; but easily upset by bumps at high speed (160+) and it gets scary. Brakes ineffective, at best, and downright scary in the wet. At Spa, I was seeing Jesus so often at the end of the straight that I started to use him as a braking marker. Cabin very noisy and hot - serves me right for getting the sports exhaust. Ear defenders needed for anything more than a 10 mile trip. Overall, it gets beaten on the track by 355s and is actually slower in normal use than the NSX. I wouldn't change it though because it looks so silly. And it's purple metalflake. I wouldn't get another because the dealer service has been APPALLING since Lambo UK changed ownership - 8 months to change a wing and fuel tank, after a minor bump? I thought the comments with regards to the braking marker were hilarious. | ||||
| James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Member Username: Omnadren250 Post Number: 384 Registered: 7-2001 |
Don't bother with these guys Ernesto. Most of us know that you are a true car enthusiast. I think this is very amusing. Whenever these little spats occur on F-chat, I always like to link the threads to the supra/porsche/vette forums so the other car guys get a glimpse of the insecurity of some f-car owners. These types debates separate the true car enthusiasts from the boulavard cruisin, poseurs. Regardless of what car you drive, you should be able to appreciate and respect the hard work and determination somebody has put into their car. Ferrari and Lambo owners should take interest in what makes a Supra fast enough to beat their cars. Supra owners should appreciate the fact that somebody in a $2500 1989 Mustang 5.0 beat them in the 1/4 mile. Sure, the lambo's and Ferraris will beat the Supra in the roadcourse, and the supra will do just about everything better than the mustang....but who cares. You have to accept the fact that when you blow a big wad of cash on a certain car, there will be other, older cars on the street that will outperform it in certain categories. That doesn't give an excuse to blow a hissy fit and start switching the debate to subjective things such as asthetics etc. It's all about the love of cars, all cars regardless of where they are made or how much they cost. | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 157 Registered: 6-2002 |
Ernesto, The more you talk, the more emails i get laughing at you. Yes im on my way to fly out to get my check from an imaginary 360 owner. lol Andrew, I have the Best Motoring Video. 1st off, the F50 is not stock, and the video is really not a proper compro, as its obvious in the video that some drivers where much more involved than others. On the Nurburgring times, you forgot the 7.50 of the Murcielago, and the 7.54 Of the Diablo Gt and the 7.57 of the SV. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 486 Registered: 8-2002 |
Andrew, that picture is awesome...! i would have that blown up and framed... where was that...? were you in a parade of some sort...? tell us what was going on... | ||||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 987 Registered: 2-2001 |
I have a deal for Allan, john, and the rest of the funny crowd here who doubts I have a 360. If you are so sure that I don't have the 360, take a flight down to PR and drop by for a little visit. I'll even pick you up at the airport. If I dont have one, I give you a cashier's check for $5,000. If I have one, you give me a cc for $5,000. Is that fair? Or are you afraid to put your money where your big mouth is? Ernesto | ||||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 254 Registered: 5-2002 |
I know stock vs stock lap times are a fair comparison, and interesting, but I'm not sure how telling they are. The factories make a lot of compromises when they set the car up for sale. The marketing folks, weight in with target market preferences, ect, ect, so the car you buy is what they believe is about what most people what. If you want to play at the track, Ferrari gives you a challenge car and it�s a lot faster � at the track anyway. Lap times in a race are probably the most fair lap time comparison, everyone has done what they think is the best they can for the specific track on a specific day. I think it�s a preference issue on the street, since you�d have to be pretty stupid to be driving anywhere near the cars limits. | ||||
| Greg Rodgers (Joechristmas)
Member Username: Joechristmas Post Number: 555 Registered: 3-2001 |
IMO one of the most Exotic cars is the Lotus Esprit. I know this is off of the subject but if you want attention drive a Esprit around. I am not sure how many Lotus fans there are on this chat but they are very nice cars. I am fairly young and have Ferraris. I do like the Countach but when it came down to it the Ferrari was my choice. Plus there is much more info on Ferraris and great people to meet. Look at this site!!!! From my observations most Lambo owners aren't very technical about their cars and buy them based on looks. Many also get strange when talking to Ferrari owners. I am not saying none of them do their own work as I know a fellow who works on his Countachs all 3 of them. I think purchasing a car ismuch different than putting a poster on the wall. IMO the Countach looks very nice in photos but not as great in person. Plus when you are putting down this kind of $$$ for a car you really start to reason about which car you want and why. I don't think Ferrari has anything to worry about from Lambo. Ferrari road cars not F1 is so busy with waiting lists. I don't see what the big debate is. If you are happy with the Lambo you purchased why justify it to everyone. (in general not directed at anyone) I am happy with my choice and I am thrilled when I have time to go for a drive let alone argue about ownership with others. I think we should all be greatful we have such nice cars. | ||||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 442 Registered: 10-2001 |
Here's a little Video ... http://www.bestmotoring.jp/video/bm/bm12_225k.ram The F50 laps faster than the Murcielago ...Not to bad for a 1995 car against a 2001 one... Here's my post on sc net with the lap times.. http://speed.supercars.net/Board?viewThread=y&fID=6&tID=33327 Also , dont forget the 550 M laps the ring in 8.07 against 8.04 for the Diablo GT ( 575 Hp ) and against 8.09 for a Diablo SV ( 520 hp ) . Not too bad for the GT Car that the 550 M is .. http://www.nordschleife.no | ||||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 441 Registered: 10-2001 |
Not a race but just a little drive .  | ||||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Junior Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 100 Registered: 9-2002 |
Des, its late and you are tired...and possibly out of it...I get like that when its too late and I have nothing to do...I become overly peotic and see wonders in everything. That said the pic is kool | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 485 Registered: 8-2002 |
"The possibilites are endless" you think... Your imagination runs frantic- much akin to a hamster, chasing nothing in its wheel- stirring thoughts, scenarios, PASSION! Without knowledge of exactly what brought it on or when it began, you notice a heavy feeling in your chest, digging, scraping, gnawing its way down, to form a pit in your stomach- that feeling, physically dictates to you, what this car must sound like; what it must feel like, the raw, surging reality of auto-exotica, miscibly, MASTERFULLY coagulated with a passion for thrills just beyond your own comprehension of your own feelings... You never deny yourself that urge to stop and stare... you never question that overwhelming serenity that quietly rages through you, calming you physically, stirring a deep, hidden lust from the innermost depths of your being, palpatating through every vein, every bone, every muscle in your body, telling you, pointing out to you, COMMANDING you to see that you are alive... it's at this very moment that you really, truly feel your soul. Damn, i can't imagine what it must feel like to actually drive one of these things...! Ok, i'm sorry, i can't help staring at this picture... i have to close it out, i need to get to bed, i'm gonna be late for work (again) tomorrow... Allan, ditch the pictures or i'm gonna get fired and i'll be forced to find a job where i don't have access to a computer...! | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 481 Registered: 8-2002 |
Not sure what it takes to be post of the month, but if it's popularity or debate-related, this thread is a shoe-in...! i can't be swayed one way or the other on this, i love Bulls & Horses, equally... i CAN say, though, that looking at cars, for me, is the equivalent of what it's like for all of you, to look at porn... Allan, i'm looking at the picture of your Diablo and i'm in awe... the shadows from the trees appear as if they beg to be draped across the car- as if they've somehow broken the laws of physics and stretched beyond their natural shadow abilities, just to 3rd dimensionally grace the Diablo... White is, stereotypically, a color of innocence and virginity, yet the very name of the car speaks different of its capabilities... The not-perfectly-round edge of the rear wheel well is indicative of subtle attitude and a confident demeanor... The sloping, curving shape of the passenger's side window is exactly that- a window, permitting the eye to jump back and forth, from front to rear, bathing the car in an unspoken lust to be one with what it has to offer... All the lines, the shapes, the curves of her, point downward as you take the car in, from back to front... The swerving, curling letters on the side, "SV", leave the imagination guessing; 'Superior Velocity'', 'Sexual, Vibrant', 'Seductive, Voracious', the list faDES in your mind as it continues, while you steadily draw your focus to what's in front of you... The power of its presence leaves you stammering- not to be able to be grammatically coherent with comments or to feel confident in your manhood when you really feel squimish just being close to a car like that- but stammering just to figure out how it is that your mind lets something like that process... stammering to fathom how such beauty, perfection and timeless passion can be constructed from metal, glass, rubber and plastic... And whether it's the fastest car or the slowest car, you would never even dream of denying your imagination what it must be like to sit inside... Eventually, you walk away... you must, or you fear you might just explode if you stand that close for too much longer... but as you walk away, you continually stare back it, as much as possible, not caring that others might see you drooling, for in front of you, is an inanimate object that has captivated you like nothing else in life ever has or ever will... The picture of that car in your mind will never fade, never wear out, never make you sad... undoubtedly, it will stay with you forever... and not once, not even close, for the rest of your natural and/or unnatural life will you EVER look at a Supra in the same way. Um, ok, i'm babbling again... Bye... | ||||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Junior Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 95 Registered: 9-2002 |
jr vee, I see you are new here. Welcome! | ||||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Junior Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 248 Registered: 10-2002 |
Alan 35 years ago my Ferrari turned a 3:30 lap at LeMans. (My MK-IV turned a 3:22). My MK-IV is street registered today and my P4 will be when I finish restoring it. I'm not aware of any Lambo that has ever won any major road race; are you? | ||||
| jr vee (Jrv_)
New member Username: Jrv_ Post Number: 3 Registered: 12-2002 |
The Lambo was racing a Ferrari at the Ring missing on 2 cylinders "Old Men in Ferraris", I dont think so, most people I've seen or met in Diablos have been either managers for Stripper Clubs, Pimps, Drug Dealers or Money Launderers trying to make up for a serious inferiority complex for various real or imagined reasons | ||||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1794 Registered: 6-2001 |
Alot ot turbocharged cars put down big numbers on a dyno, but that doesnt seem to translate well into e/t's. | ||||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 253 Registered: 5-2002 |
Tim, it sounds like a turbos don't drag well problem. The 60 foot times tend to be quite high, which hurts them badly on time. They have the hp though and it's reflected in the mph. They've found a few tricks to get the turbos spooled on the line in the last few years, but they still aren't blowers. | ||||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1791 Registered: 6-2001 |
allan, a 12.7 @ 121mph??? talk about a traction problem.... withthat mph he should be running 11's, without great traction. | ||||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 251 Registered: 5-2002 |
I'm a supercharger boy myself, for the street anyway, which is where I drive.....I just need to figure out how to muffle the telltale whine.�. I usually look at it this way, buy something with a basic shape and layout you like. The specs are pretty flexible and an offending curve or 2 can change. That makes it all just a preference issue really. There are several very nice lambos, I just prefer the softer lines of the Ferrari. | ||||
| Omar (O. H. B.) (Auraraptor)
Junior Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 90 Registered: 9-2002 |
not all of us are old men not to mention the average age here is prob 30s-40s id say | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 156 Registered: 6-2002 |
Ferraris are for old men who'd rather brag about heritage, rather than race themselves. Lets see, take to a ferrari and a Lambo to the Nurburgring, and see who laps faster, oh, i know, its been done already, and yes, the lambo lapped faster. | ||||
| jr vee (Jrv_)
New member Username: Jrv_ Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2002 |
Lambo is the Superfly - Mr T. 20lb gold chain wearing pimp of Exotic cars, it does Scream "Please Look at Me"! as it tries yes just tries to out Ferrari - Ferrari, that has always been Lambos goal since Ferrari dissed him in the 60s -attention Lambo will never be Ferrari, Ferrari is the stuff of legend the little guy kicking the pants out of the big guy over and over again What is Lambos heritage: Farm Equipment Everyone knows Ferrari, Lambo has always been a wanna be pretender | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 155 Registered: 6-2002 |
Ive got an old article on a turboed 308, 450hp, ran 12.7@121. pretty good mph. Ive got a friend with a modified 208 Turbo. Its pretty cool. | ||||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Junior Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 250 Registered: 5-2002 |
Allen, last years number was 400, this year it should clear 600 comfortably. No body kit, I did put a GTO front valance and bumper on, but not the driving lights, too much for me. Custom springs/shocks, reworked a-arms, 225/18 on 8.5s front and 285/18 on 10.5s rear. It�s also been on a several hundred pound diet. I really wouldn�t be afraid of a stock,......... well anything I guess. | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 154 Registered: 6-2002 |
I think proof of ownership gives a person credibility when they are highly outspoken. I am very outspoken, but i own the cars and therefore can support my opinions. | ||||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1790 Registered: 6-2001 |
I wsa joking, relax. | ||||
| Omar (O. H. B.) (Auraraptor)
Junior Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 89 Registered: 9-2002 |
hey Tim, ever see Allan's wife? She's HOT! If I was 10 years older and she was single... ...Allan please don't take this the wrong way, its a compliment. This was in response to the manhood question...I dont think he has a prob there w/ a girl like that! And she likes F-cars too! Whata woman! | ||||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1788 Registered: 6-2001 |
It would be cool with one, but also without. it would be a hell of a sleeper amoung italian car enthusiasts. the only giveaway is the loud blower whine. | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 153 Registered: 6-2002 |
a 400hp 308 would be awesome, but i doubt id be afraid of it. Are you going to do a body kit of some sort? Like a 288Gto? | ||||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1786 Registered: 6-2001 |
Ha ha, allanlambo has a diablo to make up for his insecurity about his manhood. you shouldnt feel the need to prove stuff you own to anyone. as for proving yourself...i wouldnt trust someone (like a good friend) unless they proved that they are a good person first (by knowing them for a while, not by asking to see copies of their titles, etc). not trying to start a flame, but im pretty sure ernesto has a 360. Do you still have the supra ernesto? Wait till mark finishes his new setup. a 400+ hp 308 built by mark is something to be afraid of, especially if you know what he has done and is capable of doing when it comes to automotive things. | ||||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Junior Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 247 Registered: 5-2002 |
Well done Allen, I figured I'd stir the pot a little, but it work. It's not going anywhere until spring anyway with the intake off for intercooler retrofit. | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 152 Registered: 6-2002 |
Hey Mark, i had a 308 QV and a 328, and i loved both of them. Awesome cars! | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 151 Registered: 6-2002 |
Amen BART! Or play with a 1:18 scale model!!! | ||||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Junior Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 246 Registered: 5-2002 |
Personally, I think what allen needs is for me to being my lowly 308 down to Miami and give his Diablo the spanking it so clearly needs, then maybe we can get back to Ferrari worship, as it should be. | ||||
| Bart McMurry (Mcmurb)
New member Username: Mcmurb Post Number: 16 Registered: 9-2002 |
All of you are wrong. Everyone knows that the fastest car ever built is a 1990 honda accord (2 door)with a muffler the size of a folgers coffee can on the back matched with neon green glow sticks on the bottom and a wing on the back that would make vintage superbird owners blush. The diablo may not need a rear wing, but the torque from an 80hp honda accord's rear wheels would certainly cause it break loose in turns (and spill all the pizzas) if not for the wing holding it firmly to the road. whether you drive F cars or L cars, be happy you don't have to drive a POS. | ||||
| john (Johnwto)
New member Username: Johnwto Post Number: 31 Registered: 6-2002 |
"Haha, I knew youd try and talk your way out of proving you had a 360. Believe me, im not the only one who doesnt believe you." uhh, ya i think u are............. sure is interesting reading some of ur prior posts. you can usually tell the real owners from the guys who talk alot | ||||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 984 Registered: 2-2001 |
If I fell for the "prove it" trap every time it has presented itself in my life, I would be a very sorry individual. The only people who need to "prove" anything are insecure pathetic souls. Do I also need to "prove" that I graduated from college or from grad school? Do you want me to send you my tax forms? Who are you that I need to prove anything to you? The simple fact that you had the audacity to ask me to prove something to YOU is pretty amazing. Ernesto PS. By the way, it doesnt take a genius to understand that if product A sells more than product B, product A must be manufactured in larger quantities to meet higher demand. | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 150 Registered: 6-2002 |
Ferrari wont be beat in F1 anytime soon. That i give them credit for. As a roadcar, thats another story, although i will say that i prefer any of the Ferraris to the Aston Martin or Bently. | ||||
| DJ (Godfather)
New member Username: Godfather Post Number: 8 Registered: 11-2002 |
I guess when your at the top(Ferrari) there is only one way to go. Ferrari is more popular than ever, i don't think they will be beat by Lambo, Aston, etc. anytime soon if ever. | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 149 Registered: 6-2002 |
Haha, I knew youd try and talk your way out of proving you had a 360. Believe me, im not the only one who doesnt believe you. The 575M may outsell the Murcielago, but thats also because it is produced in larger numbers. Well, gotta go for now. Gonna take a real 360 for ride now. Have fun playing with your 1:18 model.lol | ||||
| Omar (O. H. B.) (Auraraptor)
Junior Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 88 Registered: 9-2002 |
Allan has a 348ts (the wifes ;) ) On AM, vanquishes are pretty (not the tail though) but I would still opt for a nice 575 if I could! | ||||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 983 Registered: 2-2001 |
Allan, you can doubt that I own a 360 until the end of time for all I care. I have nothing to prove to anybody. I really dont understand why you are here, preaching the Lamborghini gospel, when there is a www.lamborghinilist.com where you can all share your stories of which Diablo attracted more attention that the other. The Murcielago may be "walking all over" the 575M, but the Ferrari is still outselling it 3 or 4 to 1 I think was the latest stat. I still dont understand your need to continuously and constantly try to convince people at a Ferrari chat site that a Lamborghini is a superior car, when most people here have obviously made up their minds. Yes, we know that your opinion is that the Lambo is faster, more entertaining and cheaper to maintain. More reliable, better interior, has those cool swing up doors, etc etc etc. So what? Still not a Ferrari, neither is a Bentley or an Aston. I have driven both the Lambo and obviously the 360 and I came up with completely the opposite conclusion you did. That's what tastes are for. Ernesto PS: Those kill signs on the Diablo were definitely not done on a track, where real racing is done. Stickers are easy to get, F1 world championship trophies are not. | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 148 Registered: 6-2002 |
http://www.lambocars.com/highres/diablomrp.jpg Thought this was pretty funny in terms of this subject. Checkout the guys doors. | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 147 Registered: 6-2002 |
Ernesto, im not the only one who doubts you have a Ferrari. Im grown up, and as ive said, the Lambo gawk factor is its biggest flaw. Taking away the cars visual impact, it is a much more entertaining car to drive than a Ferrari. As for accelaration, there is no comparison, and i stand by fact that the Lambo is a cheaper car to maintain. Personally, i think Ferrari has tough days ahead. Inmo, the 360 is really its flagship, i hate the 550-575, looks like a wingless Supra with a hood scoop to me, and the Enzo is priced so far out of the ballpark its not even in the equation. Ferrari is losing sales to not only Lambo, but Aston Martin now as well. With the intro of the new "Baby Lambo" and Bently Gt, Ferrari needs a new car to hold it ground, the 360 wont cut it, just as the 575M is getting walked all over by the Murcielago. | ||||
| Omar (O. H. B.) (Auraraptor)
Junior Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 86 Registered: 9-2002 |
Allan, though I agree with many things you say, one thing is that I never lusted for a lambo. I don't remember what I had on my walls, but my mother tells me it was "that car with the funny side." When we went to see a TR thats what she said it was. Since I could drive f-cars were the cars I loved and aspired to buy. I nearly had a spasam (sp?) when a dealer let me sit in a TR. I was in heaven. Lambos never did it for me in the same way... ...and I assume many on f-chat are the same. I like lambos, would defend them to the end in an arguement...BUT never over ferrari. If I had the $ to spend I would 100% buy a equal condition TR to a countach anyday. And the same can be said for a 512TR/M (esp. the M) or 550 over a diablo. But then, thats why I joined f-chat and not lambo-chat.. | ||||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 982 Registered: 2-2001 |
Allan, I used to race on the street as well (practically chase down any fast car I bumped into), but I no longer do that crazy stuff anymore. I learned that the public roads are not for racing. I also lusted for a Countach when I was a teenager (still have a six foot poster of a red countach in a dirt road in the middle of a grass field). Then lusted after the Diablo. I dont think people "settle" for Ferraris, I think once people grow up and stop focusing solely on looks, they find Ferrari has a lot more to offer. Most people seem to agree with this, or Lambos would be outselling Ferraris, as they have outperformed the comparable Ferraris for many years. Allan, I dont have absolutely anything to prove by posting the registration to my 360. Now you are questioning if I own a 360? LOL.. I've been on this site for almost two years, and now you come in a few months ago and ask for my registration to prove that I own a Ferrari? This is hillarious.... I was in Miami from 91 to 95 while I attended UM undergrad. Do you want a copy of my diploma as well? LOL Ernesto | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 145 Registered: 6-2002 |
Again Ernesto, I said on the street, not the track. I dont race on the track. I have no doubt than an F50 could post better lap times than a Diablo. As for what people lust for well, thats very debatable. I was among the millions of teenagers who hung posters of a Countach all over my bedroom walls, not Ferrari's. The Countach to this day is the most photographed car of all time. I also think many people lust after a Lambo, but settle for a Ferrari, for precisely many of the reasons that are stated on this board. They worry about reliability and maintenence and are unaware of the true potential of the Lambo. Im here in Miami driving a 360 Modena, and cant wait to get into my Lambo. Also Ernesto, ive gotten a few private emails, and ive also wondered about this myself, could you post a copy of your registration or title to your 360? Ill be glad to do the same myself. Also, how long ago where you in Miami? I used to street race myself. Did you by any chance know a guy named Imron with a fast red Supra? | ||||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 981 Registered: 2-2001 |
Jose Canseco had a Diablo back in my day when I lived in Miami. He used to take it to the street races just to hang out, and once in a while he would open it up on I75 with other cars, racing your variety of souped up cars, but nothing exotic unless you consider Vipers and NSXs exotic. It was fun seeing the car come out and play. I had a Dodge Stealth TT back then... what a pig of a POS car that was... Ernesto | ||||
| Jean-Louis (Jlm348)
New member Username: Jlm348 Post Number: 27 Registered: 11-2002 |
On x-mas, I was driving next to a titanium grigio diablo on Sunset, I tried to engage with a little bit of racing play, but it did not seem that he wanted to open it up. The diablo looked and sounded great, and I knew that I would loose, but I still thought that it would have been fun to take some of the curves together. | ||||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 980 Registered: 2-2001 |
Lambo has always had "faster" cars than Ferrari. The Diablo was always faster (in top speed at least) to the comparable Ferrari. Yet, which one sold more? Which one did people lust after, with multi-year waiting lists? Its not a question of which is fastest. It dont think that is a major criteria people use when considering these cars. Most sane people dont drag race down the highway every time they bump into a Lambo, they have nothing to prove. Its all about emotion, feeling, history, etc etc... Ernesto PS. That $600K F50 with absolutely KILL a Diablo on any road course, where it was designed to run. Not that it matters though, we buy what makes us feel good... | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 144 Registered: 6-2002 |
Ferrari has a lot to worry about when it comes to Lambo. Lambo has always forced Ferrari to build better cars, and even though Ferrari wins F1 and Lambo doesnt, i drive my car on the street, and the only time i will run a Ferrari is on the street. So even if Lambo does not have any 10,000,000 cars, im very happy knowing that if i run into a 600,000 Ferrari F50, i dont have much to worry about! | ||||
| Vik (Speed_demon_666)
New member Username: Speed_demon_666 Post Number: 4 Registered: 12-2002 |
Some day Des....had a brief stint with a Diablo....was awesome.....will be getting my hands on one very soon....oh yeah and boy do I have a story....will post shortly...hehheh | ||||
| Vik (Speed_demon_666)
New member Username: Speed_demon_666 Post Number: 3 Registered: 12-2002 |
Ernesto, I am not sure if I fully agree with ur opinion that Ferrari should concentrate solely on F1. Sure they have a major stake in it but I also think they should invest heavily on making the best road cars and yes they will face stiff competition (like they are right now) from the likes of Lamborghini. Oh..and dont entirely rule out the bulls makin it to the F1 at some time. F1 is about experience and money; and with their new owners...they have a lot of both....its only a matter of time. Just my opinion...must say u have experienced some pretty neat machines though...thats cool. PS : No way me like JrVee | ||||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 979 Registered: 2-2001 |
People don't buy Ferrari because they are buying the fastest car. If all people cared about was having the fastest car, nobody would buy Ferraris or Lamborghinis. I just saw the video where the Pagani Zonda SPANKED the Murcielago around a test track. Does that mean people will stop buying Lambos? I dont think so. My Supra was much faster than my 360, yet the 360 is the best best car I have driven, and I have driven everything short of the new Murcie/F40/F50/Enzo. The feeling behind the wheel is simply incredible. Ferrari should concentrate on F1 and not get into a pissing match with Lambo. Ernesto. PS. JrVee and speed demon are the same person... | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 477 Registered: 8-2002 |
"If u havent experienced a lambo..ease off...try it and youll see. The new lambo walked all over the 575M. Ferrari has to be careful. It can in no way ignore the presence of Lamborghini...and it never has..." Vik's whole post exuDES hellfire and a clanDEStine fury of speed... i'm down to here a story from Vik, 'cause he sounds like he's got one or two... (Uh, Vik, this is where you chime in with an awesome story)... :::DIABLO, DIABLO, DIABLO, DIABLO, DIABLO, DIABLO, DIABLO, DIABLO!::: | ||||
| Matt (Matt_lamotte)
Junior Member Username: Matt_lamotte Post Number: 103 Registered: 10-2002 |
Ernesto, I think we are on the same page. I have been at work laughing at your post all day. You thinking I am taking offense and I feel that you are doing the same. I was not angry that Supras came up. I love the car myself and was just trying to get the thread back on track. I am not worked up or angry as I felt you were on earlier today. No hard feelings....thanks for your specific reply now back on the subject of Lambos verses Ferrari | ||||
| Vik (Speed_demon_666)
New member Username: Speed_demon_666 Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2002 |
jr vee (Jrv_) The world knows about Ferrari's "Heritage"......and how Ferrari gets things done its way in the F1 world....the last season was testament to so called "Heritage". I am pretty sure someone gave somebody 4 bottles of wine and a slut to win some....Understand onething.....a car being priced in seven figures does not mean jack...it boils down to one thing....take a stock ferrari...a stock lamborghini....let em rip on the streets...and we'll see who the orphan turns out to be.....thats what Des and Matt want to find out. If u havent experienced a lambo..ease off...try it and youll see. The new lambo walked all over the 575M. Ferrari has to be careful. It can in no way ignore the presence of Lamborghini...and it never has... Sorry guys...couldnt pass that one up | ||||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 978 Registered: 2-2001 |
Yes, I raced a specific Lamborghini with my specific ex-Supra... beat its ass bad, too! LOL Calm down Matt, its all in good fun... Ernesto | ||||
| Matt (Matt_lamotte)
Junior Member Username: Matt_lamotte Post Number: 102 Registered: 10-2002 |
Good grief Ernesto. I give up lol. You and your FORMER Supra rule the thread lol. Now does anyone specifically have any races with specifically Lamborghini's..... not Supra's or other cars.. specifically Lamborghni.....specifically to be specific | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 475 Registered: 8-2002 |
Ernest, i'm calm- the last thing i wanna do is argue with someone on here, everyone's been real nice to me... But i WAS serious- (dead serious)- about bringing home an F1 championship... all i need is some training... And yeah, Lambo doesn't race, but i'm incentive enough, for them to start...! | ||||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 977 Registered: 2-2001 |
Calm down DES... I know you were being sarcastic about "bringing the F1 championship home"... BTW, it wont me Lambo giving you the ride because they dont race... Ernesto | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 472 Registered: 8-2002 |
i don't think anyone's bent out of shape except for the Supra defenders of the universe... Matt just wants to hear race stories (and i'm right there with him, drooling over some of these tales...) Ernesto, just like you said, Ferrari's sole purpose is to race and Lamborghini's sole purpose is to sell cars- so they're completely different, but they're both sports cars, both street legal and just about everyone likes to see them, AND see them race... (PS: put me in a racecar and give me 4 weeks training and i'll bring an F1 championship home to whoever put me in the racecar- whether it be Ferrari or Lamborghini!) | ||||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 976 Registered: 2-2001 |
My Supra? Sorry, I dont own a Supra. Ernesto | ||||
| Matt (Matt_lamotte)
Junior Member Username: Matt_lamotte Post Number: 101 Registered: 10-2002 |
Ernesto, I am not bent out of shape. This whole thing is making me laugh now because you appeared offended I when tried to steer the topic back toward Lambos and Ferrari's. This as I said before is Ferrari chat and it appeared to me that the thread was looking like Supraforums.com. If you want I'll make you a thread for your Supra. | ||||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 975 Registered: 2-2001 |
I think jr vee has a point in that I dont think Ferrari loses any sleep over Lamborghini. Their real competition is McLaren, Williams, et al. Anyone can just make cars. Try winning an F1 Championship, see how easy it is. jr vees point has nothing to do with being "exotic", which is a very subjective term. Ferrari sole reason for existing is to race cars. Lamborghinis sole reason for existing is to sell cars. Ernesto | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 471 Registered: 8-2002 |
i don't think that because Lamborghini hasn't won any F1 titles or because none of their vintage cars are up in the multimillion dollar price range that you should just automatically exclude them from being comparable to Ferrari... Lamborghinis are awesome cars and i don't think anyone questions their 'exoticacy' (definitely not a real word)... i think Matt just really wanted to know about some good races between Bulls & Horses... (Exoticacy: of, relating to or characterized by being exotic. ) | ||||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 974 Registered: 2-2001 |
Matt, you did not strike a nerve with me. I am no longer a Supra owner, as I sold mine to keep my MUCH slower 360. That says everything I think. Just dont ask an open ended question "who has ever spanked a Diablo" and then not like the answer. BTW, when I see a modded Diablo run low 9's, then you can start comparing it to modded Supras. Again, I am not bashing Diablos. They are great looking cars and attract gobs of attention, and have that "exotic" aura probably like no other car. I don't see why all you people are getting all bent out of shape! Ernesto | ||||
| jr vee (Jrv_)
New member Username: Jrv_ Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2002 |
Ah, Lambo the ophan of the exotic car world A Lambo would be the result if Enzo Ferrari got drunk on 4 bottles of wine and slept with the town slut, something he would just as soon forget Hertitage? Any $10,000,000 lambos $5,000,000 $2,000,000 $500,000? has a Lambo ever won a race?(one that counts a real one) or even entered one? F1? Give me a break you can't even compare Lambo to Ferrari | ||||
| Matt (Matt_lamotte)
Junior Member Username: Matt_lamotte Post Number: 99 Registered: 10-2002 |
Thanks Steve. I didn't mean to start a thread comparing a stock supra with a stock ferarri lambo or any other exotic car. Two totally different cars with totally different capabilities. Now you throw a huge amount of cash for a turbo and many cars come into play. Lambo's being Ferrari's rival I thought it might be interesting which everything related to the topic has been. | ||||
| Matt (Matt_lamotte)
Junior Member Username: Matt_lamotte Post Number: 98 Registered: 10-2002 |
oops repost | ||||
| steve Lauren (Steve308gtsi)
New member Username: Steve308gtsi Post Number: 22 Registered: 5-2002 |
Matt, I think you asked the question properly, and I would asume that 99.9% of the people that read it thought it was about Ferrari vs. Lambo. Its nice to hear about experiances with both cars.Great thread Matt! | ||||
| Matt (Matt_lamotte)
Junior Member Username: Matt_lamotte Post Number: 97 Registered: 10-2002 |
I have apparently struck a nerve with a SUPRA owner. Ernesto look I am not complaining about anything Supra so calm down. I already know your super supra is fast so I asked a question comparing two similarly STOCK cars. Not a car with thousands of dollars in modifications that is no where near stock. Thanks | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 464 Registered: 8-2002 |
Still, i think you missed the point... The question was aimed at Ferrari owners/drivers who have raced against Lamborghinis or Lamborghini owners/drivers who raced against Ferraris... it definitely belongs right here as it is related to Ferraris... i just think you're taking this whole Supra thing a little too personal... Again, that's just my zero two, i'm not lookin' to beef with anyone, but the initial question was awesome and the whole thread is really cool... i'd just like to see more stories and less debate, you know...? | ||||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 971 Registered: 2-2001 |
Well then if you want to be that STRICT, this entire thread belongs in OT, as this is ferrarichat, not lamborghinichat. Ernesto | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 462 Registered: 8-2002 |
Um, Ernesto, i don't think Matt was complaining... and his initial question was did anyone run against a Lambo and since it was posted in the General Ferrari Discussion forum, i think we all just assumed he was referring to Ferrari owners/drivers or Lamborghini owners/drivers who had raced against Ferraris... Still, i don't think anyone really cared that Supras entered the thread, but your last response seemed a little harsh... Just my two cents... | ||||
| Matt (Matt_lamotte)
Junior Member Username: Matt_lamotte Post Number: 96 Registered: 10-2002 |
Well since this is FERRARI CHAT I figured most of the people here figured that it was directed to the owners of hey guess what FERRARI's. I guess I should have stated ferrari owners but if I wanted to hear about Supras I would be on Supraforums or something | ||||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 969 Registered: 2-2001 |
Matt, if you wanted to hear just Ferrari/Lambo races, you should have said so. Your question was "has anybody spanked a Diablo". The answer was yes. Dont ask a question if you dont want to hear the answer. Ernesto | ||||
| Vivek Ravi (Speedthrills)
New member Username: Speedthrills Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2002 |
Gentlemen, Have been a regular visitor to this site..but this is my very first post. Amazing stories and discussions regarding the Lambo and Ferrari. I am personally in awe of the bulls and have a lot of respect for the prancing horse.....one key factor that I am prety sure which influences performance is the engine lay out. Taking that into consideration what are your thoughts on comparing a mid-engine Lambo to a front engine Ferrari? I understand that most of the posts relate to fun racing in general and trust me..some of the stories are awesome. Looking forward to chattin with you all...Thanks Vivek | ||||
| Matt (Matt_lamotte)
Junior Member Username: Matt_lamotte Post Number: 93 Registered: 10-2002 |
Wooooooo Hooooo have I started some drama with all this Supra stuff. I was hoping when I started this thread to just hear about some Lambo/Ferrari races. Why the Supra came up puzzles me but if we are going to discuss Ferrari versus Supras start another thread on it. I along with everyone else know they can be incredibly quick cars but nobody every doubted that. | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 142 Registered: 6-2002 |
I have a best motoring video, of a Nsx-r vs, an F50, a Murcielago, a gt-2 etc. The Japaneese videos arent very fair, as they use a Modified F50(wins)the Gt-2 comes in second, 3rd is the Murcielago and 4th the Nsx-r. You can see in the video that Nsx-r driver is going balls to the wall though, hitting all the apex berms head on etc, while the guy in the Lambo is just cruising along and blows past the Nsx in the straight like it was standing still. I just ordered one with the Diablo 6.0 and i believe an f40-f50. | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 141 Registered: 6-2002 |
Ernesto, i defend the Lambo, in the way you defend your Supra. This is a comparison. I have spent alot of time behind the wheel of the 360 now, including some 140mph sprints, which i do have on video. Nice car, gearbox is still very notchy and the lambo is much easier to shift quickly. I dont find myself wanting one of my own, but my wife does! | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 455 Registered: 8-2002 |
VCD...? wtf is that...? Virtual Compact Disc...? Are we so far ahead of ourselves that we've come to that...? Ok, anyway, in taing into consideration what's been said with this whole Japanese/Italian competition thing, i have a question (which completely excluDES Japanese cars, altogether): What are the stats on a race between a Lamborghini and a Ferrari F40 or F50...? This is something i'd most certainly like to witness...! | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 120 Registered: 10-2002 |
Thanks for sharing the viewpoints, folks. I suppose one way of looking at it is that Lambos represent the more extreme form of exotics, whilst Ferraris represent the more pragmatic form of exotics. I would imagine that Ferrari could have gone for the extremes too, but perhaps it is just not their general policy to go that far with their "run-of-the-mill" products like the 360 modenas. However, every now and then, you will find special models being introduced, such as the F40s or the Enzos, that would cater for the more extreme (or purist) tastes of the loyal Ferrari fans, and to show what Ferrari is capable of as a car manufacturer. But this would also mean that if you were to simply compare standard Lambos with standard Ferraris, AllanLambo does have a point. It is difficult to disagree with the fact that standard Lambos are faster, looks more stunning, rarer, and :-) also generally costs more (if I may say so) than standard Ferraris. As for the NSX, I just saw a VCD (not sure if it was released by Acura) featuring the latest NSX model, and then racing it against a line up of other fast Japanese cars, but including a Porsche GT2 as well. No prizes for guessing which car won the race, though - the NSX, of course! | ||||
| Omar (O. H. B.) (Auraraptor)
Junior Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 79 Registered: 9-2002 |
As far as japanese cars goes...NSXs are exotics..prob the only non-mass produced japanese exotic Please don't put down all japanese cars...Do I like Ferraris or NSXs more? Ferraris. BUT lets say each is a unquie experiance. Yes I am partial to Nina...but Alissa is soo sweet. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 442 Registered: 8-2002 |
No, no, less debate, more stories...! | ||||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 968 Registered: 2-2001 |
Allan, why are you trying trying to defend and explain your Diablo all the time? You chose the car that was best for you, now enjoy it! What do you care if a few people out there would buy something else if they had the opportunity? I now I certainly dont try to justify my 360 to others and compare to their car. Let it go, man! Ernesto PS. I never said the Diablo wasn't a nice car. That it certainly is! Probably THE exotic from certain parameters and points of view. | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 139 Registered: 6-2002 |
Ernesto If you notice, ive stated many times that the most annoying part (sometimes) is that people hound you in the Lambo and wont leave you alone. Ive just taken about 10 people in the 360 Modena for rides, and every single person who has been in my car, said it was a nice car, but paled in comparison as a driving experience compared to my Diablo, even those who had only ridden in my old 92 Diablo. | ||||
| David J. Smith (Darkhorse512)
Junior Member Username: Darkhorse512 Post Number: 94 Registered: 10-2002 |
This thread I found on the "Ferrari" message board is pushing me into Lambo camp. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1875298631 Sweet! | ||||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Junior Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 238 Registered: 5-2002 |
Took another look at the dyno curves, it looks like the boost retard is kicking in about 5700 rpm to stop it from detonating and is slicing the top off the HP curve. Too much boost, too little octane, terrible set up. | ||||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Junior Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 237 Registered: 5-2002 |
Personally I end up modifying everything I own. I just assumed that's why we have winter, I don't know of anything else it's good for. The most important thing to avoid when doing mods it a torque curve like Justin posted for us. The less flat the torque curve gets, the more dangerous the car becomes on the street. High boost turbo engines are the poster children for what not to do to a street engine. Normally you want to design the engine so you shift at peak HP and land at peak torque. High boost turbos tend to make that impossible, on the post curve the points are only 100 rmp apart, 700 if you go from where the torque starts to flatten, not a very useful power band. Very hard to drive in the twisties. The quest for a flat torque curve is what sends most OEM designs to larger displacement with natural aspiration. | ||||
| yasir saifullah (Yasir)
New member Username: Yasir Post Number: 20 Registered: 7-2002 |
Mark, I have to disagree with you here about the affordibility issue.Yes obviously the young generation cannot afford $100,000+ cars but that doesn't mean that the expensive cars are always better.I know so many friends that have spent well over 30-40,000 on top of their cars and yes they could have afforded a used 355/512 to name few but they chose not to,why? To my understanding,obviuosly they won't be able to drive them as often as they wanted to( Depreciation),insurance,maintanence and ofcourse they won't be as fast as they would want them to be. Mark,Let me ask you two simple questions,what's an average age of a Ferrari owner and what do they do for living ? I think there's a certain Prestige/Ego thing that goeas with a Ferrari owner too.Example,few months ago i drove my Supra TT to the Hospital and this Doctor in his late 40's walked upto me and started admiring my car.Few minutes into the conversation he goes,is that a Ferrari? & i replied no it's a Supra TT.He then asked me who makes'em & my reply Toyota.The next thing he said was,Oh toyota and walked away from me,DOH !!! I mean i'm not comparing an Exotic to a Supra or to any other Jap car but,yes you do have to give them some credit where it's deserved. Later, Yasir | ||||
| Mark Lambert (Mlambert890)
New member Username: Mlambert890 Post Number: 33 Registered: 4-2002 |
The younger generation has always been into modifying their cars because, since they are younger, it's generally all they can afford to do. My dad was doing this back in the 50's. 99% of these kids would give their left arm (and their blown 9 sec Civic) to own even the slowest Ferrari. Everyone talks all kinds of BS on a web forum, but at every import show I attend, F cars and Lambos draw crowds when they show up (and they're always bone stock). | ||||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 967 Registered: 2-2001 |
Allan, some people dont care about attracting attention in their car, they just want to drive it. But, I agree, if all you want is to drive around and attract attention the Diablo is the car for you. Ernesto | ||||
| Justin Varghese (Justin_v)
New member Username: Justin_v Post Number: 10 Registered: 12-2002 |
On another note, why would you want to highly modify a Ferrari, Lambo, or any exotic to begin with?? They're plenty fast as it is and when you modify more than what the engine is made for, you just basically loose the whole balance and the surreal experience of the car itself. | ||||
| yasir saifullah (Yasir)
New member Username: Yasir Post Number: 19 Registered: 7-2002 |
Guys don't forget that the new generation is more into modifying their cars then just driving them.I personally would not like to drive any car regardless how exclusive and how expensive it is,if i can't keep up with even a Subaru WRX,not to mention camaros & mustangs.Lambos,Ferraris and NSX are all very fine cars but they are very expensive to modify too and once you do modify them,then there's a reliability issue. So bottom line is no you cannot compare a Supra TT with a Lambo or with a Ferrari yet you just cannot ignore these Japanese cars ( Supra TT/Skyline/Evo V11,to name few) either.These are two different kinds of cars that are geared towards two different types of enthusiasts. Later, Yasir | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 138 Registered: 6-2002 |
It always seems that whenever one car or another is compared, someone has to throw a Supra into the mix. Its like they need to somehow justify their existence somehow. I have driven many Supras, twins, singles, some are fast, some are not, take a hell of a Supra to beat my Diablo on Nos, regardless, they are boring and the styling is very very bland and generic. The 360 does get attention, not stop traffic attention like the Diablo, but people still notice it. | ||||
| Francisco J. Quinones (Frankie)
Junior Member Username: Frankie Post Number: 139 Registered: 8-2002 |
I did | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 431 Registered: 8-2002 |
"Im not renting the 360, it belongs to my wifes uncle." Ooooookay. First thing i need to do is find a wife with a really cool uncle. "No need to beat a dead horse" Anyone else find that funny...? | ||||
| James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Member Username: Omnadren250 Post Number: 383 Registered: 7-2001 |
ahhhh, The classic Supra vs Ferrari topic is resurected once again. Guys, just agree to disagree. That is what I have learned to do after participating in(and starting) many of these debates. The people that have owned or driven twinner supras know that they are amazing cars to drive, modify and maintain due to their reliability. The ones who havne't driven them are missing out. | ||||
| Justin Varghese (Justin_v)
New member Username: Justin_v Post Number: 5 Registered: 12-2002 |
Rob, here is where you are wrong. Tell me where in my original post do I say "ALL"??? Go to every single thread that mentions the word Supra, NSX, IS300, etc. and I'll guarantee you that 90% of the people who REPLY get really aggrevated and defensive. They're basically in denial. These are the people who are ignorant!!! If I in anyway offended you, I'm really sorry, but get the facts straight my man, I mean to offend no enthusiasts!!! Again, lets not make this a Supra vs. Ferrari thread. No need to beat a dead horse!! Instead lets stick to the topic!! -Justin | ||||
| RyanK (Ryanab)
Junior Member Username: Ryanab Post Number: 197 Registered: 3-2002 |
Allan, absolutely.. The 360 doesn't attract as much attention as a Diablo because it is a dime a dozen compared to the Diablo, I mean com'on.. | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 137 Registered: 6-2002 |
I think we all know a Supra can be made fast, its not a big deal, still a downright boring car, give me a slow Ferrari anyday. On the comfort question, between the Lambo and the 360, the 360 is easier to get in and out of, while both are comfy while your in. Im not renting the 360, it belongs to my wifes uncle. | ||||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 3060 Registered: 12-2000 |
Ryan and Justin, I disagree with both of you and I wish you wouldn't stereotype all the users on FerrariChat.com. Have you heard from all 2,000 of us yet? Give me a list of users that say Supra isn't a good car, that a souped up Supra isn't an awesome car, and that there aren't Japanese cars that will stomp Ferraris. I get sick of other make owners that come on here and assume that all Ferrari owners are isolationist dumb shits that don't appreciate any other cars. | ||||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 965 Registered: 2-2001 |
Ryan, read the entire thread, and then perhaps you will understand why Supras came up in the discussion. Ernesto | ||||
| Justin Varghese (Justin_v)
New member Username: Justin_v Post Number: 4 Registered: 12-2002 |
Thanks for the warm welcome Ryan!!! Justin | ||||
| RyanK (Ryanab)
Junior Member Username: Ryanab Post Number: 193 Registered: 3-2002 |
Justin. I agree with most of what you said, right on. Most users on here get annoyed with the S-word because we are on a Ferrari chat board. Move the debate to the Off topic section and there would not be a problem. Again welcome Ryan | ||||
| Justin Varghese (Justin_v)
New member Username: Justin_v Post Number: 3 Registered: 12-2002 |
This is to stop the bi*ching that goes around here. Supra vs. Ferrari, Supra vs. Ferrari, blah blah blah. The point is that these two cars are completely different and are at a class of its own. Simply put a Ferrari is a driver's car; its not a drag car. The Supra is a great drag car with pretty good handling, but its not a Ferrari!! As far as the Lambo vs. Ferrari debate; Lambo's will outright beat a Ferrari when it comes to straight line performance, but you can't compare a Lambo to a 360 or a 355; it has 12 cylinders and its more of a GT car!!! Lambo's should be compared to the 550/575-M. My theory on maintenance; any car CAN be reliable, but the difference goes to cost!! Another thing; why do most of you guys get offended when Japanese cars are brought into the picture??? They produce great cars don't they??? Just my thoughts. Elaborate if you will!!! Justin | ||||
| RyanK (Ryanab)
Junior Member Username: Ryanab Post Number: 189 Registered: 3-2002 |
Gee, thanks.. Welcome to Ferrarichat Ryan | ||||
| Justin Varghese (Justin_v)
New member Username: Justin_v Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2002 |
You guys want dyno proof of 800+ hp on a Supra!! Well here it goes. This is Ryan Woon's car of WOTM.com. The car put 905 hp at the wheels and 827 lb-ft torque. Does the quarter mile in the high 9's. Top speed is a tad over 200 mph. It also gets 35 mpg. This is probably with a 50/50 mix of race gas and regular gas; no nitrous. But with regular gas alone he will still be hitting high 700 hp at the wheels. Oh and guess what. This is on stock internals. Here's a video of his car: http://homepage.mac.com/rdwoon/Ryan10.1pass.mov  | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 414 Registered: 8-2002 |
"The only thing is the last time she took it out for a spin a carload of guys followed her home!" LMAO! | ||||
| steve Lauren (Steve308gtsi)
New member Username: Steve308gtsi Post Number: 19 Registered: 5-2002 |
Allan, It's funny but everything you say I can relate to from my own experience. Right now I have owned my Lambo and Ferrari for about ten years. I will be going on my third timinig belt change soon and the the Lambo obviously never needs it.At least for me it's not that bad cause I do it myself.Both have been very reliable with nothing more than fluid changes etc.. I've never felt uncomfortable in a Lambo and I'm 6'3". I find the controls within easy reach for me and the cars aren't hard to drive in in my opinion. I've also let my wife take the lambo out and she handles it with no problem. The only thing is the last time she took it out for a spin a carload of guys followed her home! Hope the weather is nice in Miami, the sun finally came out here in AZ today. I love both Marques and will always have at least one of each. | ||||
| ELI (Titanium360)
Junior Member Username: Titanium360 Post Number: 239 Registered: 4-2002 |
alan: How would you compare the diablo vs 360 comfort factor? Are you renting the 360 in florida? where did you rent it from? i will be there tomorrow and want to rent a diablo for a day. I am thinking about getting a 01. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 409 Registered: 8-2002 |
Matt, my sentiments, exactly... Simply put, the Diablo is gorgeous... breath-taking... i hope i own one, one day, too... | ||||
| Matt (Matt_lamotte)
Junior Member Username: Matt_lamotte Post Number: 91 Registered: 10-2002 |
Woooooooo man. I knew when I started this thread it was going to start some good debating. I am not sure why everyone wants to talk about Supras but I guess it's because it's got such great potential for horsepower and there are some outrageously fast ones out there that some people here own. Personally I love the design of the diablo more than any car I have seen. It just looks simply exotic. I have only seen one driving one time so I am far from an expert on them but I'd love to own one someday. | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 136 Registered: 6-2002 |
Being 6ft, 190pds, i find the Diablo to be a comfortable drive, although it does not have any lumbar support controls. I will say that after about 1 1/2hours of driving the Ferrari 348 my right foot was killing me from the way the accelerator pedal is positioned! My Countach was a late model 87 Countach QV, and the clutch was still going strong! I know guys with Diablos with 40-60k on them still on original clutches. The most amazing car is my friends 98 SV, which he runs on nitrous at all times, he goes through 4-6 bottles weekly, dumps the clutch all the time, has had atleast 50 dragstrip passes, is approaching 40,000 on it and the clutch is still perfect. I wont abuse my car like that. What i stress is that if a car is properly driven, like my Countach, it was 13 years without engine removal. In that period, just on time, a Ferrari would of needed 4 belt changes, to the tune of something around 5-7,000 each time. My 92 348 just had $10,800 service, including belts, double disc clutch etc. Pretty expensive to run a 8 cylinder Ferrari. Btw, im on my 2nd day of driving a 360 Modena here in Florida. Nice car. Much smaller than my Diablo, nowhere near as fast, brakes feel great, just as the Diablo, does not get anywhere near the attention of the Diablo (sometimes a good thing), but it just doesnt leave me wanting one. Great engine sound though! It reminds me of a more powerful Nsx. | ||||
| Greg Rodgers (Joechristmas)
Member Username: Joechristmas Post Number: 553 Registered: 3-2001 |
Dave, yes the engine has to be removed to do the clutch (most tranny work). Yes the Countach uses chains. The nice part is that all of the access. items, compressor, alt., waterpump, are fairly accessible. The strangest thing on Countachs that I don't quite follow is the early cars had a larger clutch that could last fairly long without too much worry but the later models went to a slightly smaller clutch and this is where the clutch life comes into play. It does depend on the driver. I know of some who have lost their clutch at 5K and some that have over 50K on theirs. I can get more info on why the was clutch changed. | ||||
| Patrick (Patrickr)
Junior Member Username: Patrickr Post Number: 82 Registered: 4-2002 |
Allan, 70k on the stock clutch? I'm impressed, I hear horror stories about Lamborghini's and their clutches. It was still going strong? Very cool... Patrick | ||||
| Patrick (Patrickr)
Junior Member Username: Patrickr Post Number: 80 Registered: 4-2002 |
Ernesto, I have never driven a Diablo so if you say it is uncomfortable, I'll believe you! And I can understand your argument about the Diablo attracting more attention than the 360... some people like that though. My argument is that they are both flashy sportscars... however the Diablo is much more 'exotic' and I could see how it would be difficult to dodge all the onlookers trying to get a glimpse of it. --------EDITED-------- Decided I didn't want to start arguing about this... Merry Christmas everyone! --------EDITED-------- Patrick | ||||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 963 Registered: 2-2001 |
Patrick, my 360 attracts about 1/10th the attention the Diablo attracts, at least around here. I can drive around without people going crazy all around me, and I can park in peace where ever I go. It's a different level completely, and it seems to be the Diablo's primary intention - to impress and attract attention. I found the Diablo a very uncomfortable drive - it is either very tight or things are out of reach, and it is not a nimble car by any means. Like you said, it depends on what you want out of the car. If I ever buy a Lambo it will be a Miura or 350GT. Even then, that's after I have several Ferraris in the garage. Now, I am not going to bash your Vette (everyone here knows how I feel about them), but the Supra served me well for what I wanted - a *FAST* & comfortable daily driver with excellent fit and finish and reliability. No other car could offer me that at the price levels I was looking at 10 years ago when I bought it. Even up to the point when I sold it a few weeks ago, I had yet to find a similar car to offer similar performance with similar fit and finish at similar prices. Ernesto | ||||
| David J. Smith (Darkhorse512)
Junior Member Username: Darkhorse512 Post Number: 90 Registered: 10-2002 |
Allan, Did all Countaches and Diablos used chain belts? Is there any service that cannot be done without engine removal? And how about seating lumbar support. I met a guy who bought a Diablo, drove it from L.A. to Palm Springs and sold it there because the seats gave him back spasms. Your endorsments have a certain glow, I just wonder if there is anything you don't like about Lambos beyond public harrasment. | ||||
| Patrick (Patrickr)
Junior Member Username: Patrickr Post Number: 79 Registered: 4-2002 |
I have read most of the thread but the Supra/Lambo/Ferrari debate is something I would like to comment on. Ernesto, you say that driving the Diablo is like a travelling carnival show due to the gawk factor... your 360 doesn't get that? I would think someone driving a Giallo Modena 360 would get quite a bit of attention, especially in Puerto Rico... Supra's never really did much for me... they honestly look like Celica's (the body style before the current style). The interior is unimpressive. Ya the kick-in-the-ass you get from driving one, or any turbocharged sportscar for that matter, is fun but I would think a Diablo with 12-cylinders behind my head would be my "cup of tea." I personally find the Supra "lackluster" in every department save for performance when it is pushing gobs of boost. But like EVERYONE says... to each his own. Who really cares if a Supra can be made to go insanely fast, or a Diablo, or a Ferrari? It comes down to why you want a sportscar... outright top speed? gawk factor? status? 1/4 mile times? roadcourse times? Patrick | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 134 Registered: 6-2002 |
If you know how to drive, a clutch for a lambo is not an issue, when i sold my Countach it had over 70,000 on it, with the original clutch, motor had never been out of the car. | ||||
| Greg Rodgers (Joechristmas)
Member Username: Joechristmas Post Number: 549 Registered: 3-2001 |
I wouldn't say that the service is more reasonable. Pulling the engine for a clutch job isn't a bargain. I am more familiar with the Countach though but still parts are higher for the Countach than an equivalent TR. I think the fit and finish on a TR non 512 is improved over a Countach of the same year. Also not have many of the torque specs available would worry me especially for the trans on the Countach. Anyway, I don't want to change the topic but IMHO I don't think a Countach is more reasonable than a Ferrari. | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 133 Registered: 6-2002 |
Just one more point for some that may think im biased against Ferraris, I am not, and feel very priveledged to own both, as both are great cars.It is true however, that if i had to choose one or the other, i had have to go with the Lambo. On a side note, i am looking forward to a 355GTS, with Tubi exhaust, chip, air filter and NOS! | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 132 Registered: 6-2002 |
In a direct comparison on Lambo quality and Ferrari quality, i disagree on several factors. In terms of fit and finish, i find the Lambos to be as good as or better than the Ferraris. Directly comparing my 92 Diablo to my 92 348, the Diablo had absolutely no little rattles, as the 348 does. The interior on the Diablo also wore better than the 348's. One area im certain that the Lambo far exceeds the Ferrari, is in the quality of the paintwork. Ferrari paint leaves alot to be desired. KCCK, you again say that people continue to buy Ferraris over Lambos, when in fact many people buy Lambos over Ferraris. As for day to day use, i personally know several people who use their Diablos as daily transport. The Diablo is far easier to drive than the Testarossa's ive driven, and even my 348. Even my wife who is 5ft, 92pds has commented as to the fact the Diablo is easier to drive. The biggest drawback of driving the Diablo on a daily basis is the publics constant harrasment. As for Ferrari's exceeding the Diablos in handling, braking, etc, please take a look at Road and Track Magazine, where a Diablo 6.0 beat a Ferrari F50 in every area, including braking, acceleration, lateral g's, and slalom speed. I also feel Lambos are cheaper to maintain than Ferraris. Lambos do not have a need for the expensive belt maintenence that Ferraris do as instead of belts, they use chains. I know that this is a Ferrari forum, but since we are comparing these two cars, lets face it, Ferraris have lots of problems, i know several people who have owned 355's, and experienced many a nightmare, than traded for 360's only to find steering racks go out, f1 trannies fail, computers to go out, cars die in the middle of the road, etc etc etc. From my personal experience, my 98 Diablo is now 5 years old, has never had a problem, no oil leaks, original clutch, went in for a valve adjustment and timing chain check and both were found to be in perfect running order. My friends identical 98 Sv, has had similar results accept a hydrolic shock needed to be replaced. Both cars are run very hard, both have Nitrous, both have the same results. Trouble free. I will add, that my Ferraris have also been trouble free, but in the term and mileage that i have accumulated in my Diablo, a Ferrari would have needed two belt replacements, and a hefty dent in the pocketbook. There was a recent article in Evo magazine on purchasing a 355, or Diablo, where they pointed out that a Diablo was more labor intensive. This month, a reader wrote a letter, indicating that he owned a Diablo and then added a 355 to his collection, and that the 355 had far more problems in a very short ownership period than the Diablo had in 6 years. | ||||
| Robert Mann (Robertmann)
New member Username: Robertmann Post Number: 33 Registered: 2-2001 |
Hi guys-- I have read the posts regarding the Diablo and finally I had to get into this and give you my impressions. First, let me say that I have owned the following; 1-308 4-328s 3-TRs 1-Diablo I want to start out by saying that I love the Ferraris like my first girl friend and always will. They are something to love and cherish,but the Diablo is something different in almost every respect. When you first sit down and become settled in, you feel as if you don't need a seat belt because everyhing is so close and you really don't just jump in one and go. It really takes effort and planning to get it. The transmission stick is much higer because the console is higher and that feels strange at first, but that is minor. When you first start the 12 cylinder, all you can hear is engine noise at a fast idle, but when it warms up and the engine speed slows down, all becomes okay again. The clutch is a little tricky as it seems as if it wants to be in or out and is difficult to take off easy-but who needs to ? Under full power all you can hear is the great gust of air into the intakes, which is just behind the window as well as engine noise, which is wonderful. It is actually work to shift under full power as you almost are forced to pull yourself forward to shift to the next gear, which somes very fast, and at first, almost unexpected. They do not have the fit and finish that the Ferraris have, but I suppose you cannot have everything. The looks you get are almost in wonderment as to what in the world that car is, as most people don't see one on a regular basis. Anyway, on a regular basis, I had rather drive the Ferraris as they are much easier and less complicated to drive. TTFN Robert | ||||
| Mark Lambert (Mlambert890)
New member Username: Mlambert890 Post Number: 31 Registered: 4-2002 |
The "modded vs. stock" / "fast vs. slow" argument really does get silly. Especially since it's never an argument about "fast", but rather about "quick". Let's call it like it is... Tuned Supras, Vettes, Vipers, Mustangs, F-Bodies and GSMs are generally NOT "fast" sportscars... They are QUICK drag cars. There is no "king" of this crowd either. An MTI Z07 Vette will run 9s all day long and can be made for around $40k including the cost of the Vette. Given the prepostrous Supra resale value and the cost of single turbos, the MTI is actually the better value. On the topic of Ferrari vs. Lambo, I've always viewed the Ferrari as more practical. I think the image of the Lambo is more outrageous and that keeps many buyers away. | ||||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 959 Registered: 2-2001 |
Mark, sounds great! Is the blower a kit specifically made for the 308, or did you adapt one? Do you have pics of the engine bay you can post? The feeling must be awesome... How much does a 308 weigh? DES, the Bugatti may have 1,000 hp, but I bet you its going to weight a LOT more than an Enzo. The Enzo should eat it up on most race tracks. Ernesto | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 375 Registered: 8-2002 |
Mark- in that case, just buy the new Bugatti Veyron- well over 1,000 hp... And VW's currently working on a supercar with 16 cylindars- another car with over 1,000 horses... at that level, 660 seems like poopies in comparison... (of course, nothing is a Ferrari except a Ferrari... ) | ||||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Junior Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 233 Registered: 5-2002 |
Actually, after thinking about it for a few minute, I guess I'd buy the enzo and put a blower on it anyway, because I'm just that stupid sometimes If 660 is good, it seems like 1000 must be better. | ||||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Junior Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 232 Registered: 5-2002 |
Ernesto, I've been building stuff my whole life, I don't know what I would do if I could just buy what I wanted. Luckily, it doesn't look like I will ever be in that position. The numbers I quoted were crank HP, people seem more familar with that. My car as is makes 305 rwHP. It is stock internals with a roots blower at 10 psi on top. I switched to EFI and direct-fire ignition also. The new set-up will be a screw type blower with intercooler and 20-25 psi. Again mostly stock internals, but adding forged pistond and o-ringing the cylinder liners. Ferrari builds pretty tough engines, you can spin or boost the heck out of them, although I wouldn't recomend doing both. OH, the blower I bought is technically big enough to pump 750-800 hp worth of air, I though I'd start it out conservative and see what happens. | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 115 Registered: 10-2002 |
Oh, one more thing. Out here in HK, the Lambos may have parts availability problems simply because there are fewer of them. In fact, there are talks that the repairs shops might not even have the most up to date garage facilities with them, because the number of Lambos here are insufficient to attain the critical mass that is required to make the exercise worthwhile. Perhaps that is why Ferrai does not engage in an direct "eye-for-eye" competition with Lamborghini. It would have been so easy just to put in a larger engine and then grin : "my engine is bigger than yours". But it is not happening. Des, with your zeal in life, I am sure you will get to where you want. Best of luck to you. | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 114 Registered: 10-2002 |
Thanks, Des. Your answer is just what I wanted. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 369 Registered: 8-2002 |
Kenneth, i can't answer from an owner's point of view, but i can tell you this... i like both Ferraris and Lamborghinis (i really, really, really like 'em!) but, from a driver's stand point, most Ferraris (especially newer models like the 360) appeal to me more, because they all seem to get better ratings than the Bulls, in areas like braking, reliability, etc. Reading an article on the 575M Maranello, they said this is a car you use to go get coffee in the morning and, at the same, with the powerful V12, the awesome brakes and great handling, you can take it to the track and be reckoned with... i've never driven a Ferrari or a Lamborghini, but as far as the above-mentioned is concerned, i think i would have to go with a Ferrari... Diablos captivate me like no other car- the look, the mere presence it commands when you see it- you stop, you slow down, you ogle- everyone is looking- they're just gorgeous. From what i've read, they're pretty awesome to drive, too... but when i get an exotic, it's gonna have to be able to put up with me and Lamborghinis don't really sound reliable enough to be daily drivers, so i'll be picking up a Horse... (however, any left over money will certainly be put into a Bull fund)... Just my 2 pennies... | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 113 Registered: 10-2002 |
Allan, You have asked my next question for me : "If Lambos are generally faster than Ferraris (as many posters seem to say in this thread), then why do people not go for Lambos, and still stick with Ferraris?" It is perhaps just asking the same old question in a different way. I appreciate that ultimately there may be no real answer. But since this is Ferrarichat, I thought it would be nice to hear some co-supporters defending the marque in as diversified a manner as their experience would take us. I see that you are a Lambo fan, though. Good for you. :-) | ||||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 958 Registered: 2-2001 |
Mark, what are you doing to the 308 to get the power? Just curious... and are you talking flywheel hp or rwhp? I am really interested in the mods... I agree with you regarding the enzo statement, but then again, if we all thought that way we would never mod cars, now would we? Ernesto | ||||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Junior Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 231 Registered: 5-2002 |
Ernesto, It seems to me we're talking about just buying a fast car or building one. Personally I can't afford to buy a cars as fast as I want to go, so I build. I realy don't get to the track, I autocross a few times a year and the rest is street, so I prefer superchargers to turbos on my 308. The engine that's in the car now is about 350-360 HP, about the same as the vette when you take weight into account. I've never had any vette (or supra)beat me at my game, it's hard to beat a mid engine car in tight turns. So, I bought a Ferrari because I like fast cars and the harely taught me to pick the right tool for the job. The engine that I'm building this winter should make about 600 HP, about the same as it's big brothers. At the autocross, you'll need a formula car to beat it. If I had the money, I'd throw it out and get an Enzo because they're just flat better, but I don't. | ||||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 957 Registered: 2-2001 |
Believe it or not, some people actually want sports cars that are FAST. It may be a hard concept to grasp why somebody would want a FAST sports car, but there are such people out there. Just like for some people it may be hard to believe somebody would spend 3 or 4x the cost of a Z06 for a "slower" 360M. Just accept there are different TASTES out there... Ernesto | ||||
| Jeff Green (Carguy)
Junior Member Username: Carguy Post Number: 96 Registered: 10-2002 |
Mark, you hit the nail on the head !!! | ||||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Junior Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 230 Registered: 5-2002 |
There seems to be a lot of confusion about reasonable comparisons. Stock vs stock, modified vs modified seems fair. A fully worked anything vs a stock something else seems a little pointless to me. I mean if you set your mind to a particular task, like I'm going to do whatever I need to to beat whatever, I guess you'd be a looser if you couldn't. A few years ago a road raced a harley for a couple seasons and did quite well against ducatis, hondas and such. but I was rebuilding the stupid thing after every outing and I don't think there was a single stock part on it, I build the frame, billet crank and cylinders, ......... All they did was bolt on a number plate. Can a supra be made to beat a stock Diablo or Ferrari under some specific set of conditions? I'm sure it can. Will anyone care exept the supra owner? Not really. I don't know about Diablos, but a turboed 308 can make 800 HP, a TR is more like 1100 HP. I guess the difference is that most people who own an exotic are happy with it the way it is, appearently a lot of people who own other cars aren't. | ||||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 956 Registered: 2-2001 |
Bart, your pool guy has a faster car than you? How embarrasing! Just kidding! Very nice car collection you have there! Ernesto Regarding pics, click on my profile to see my 360... for another photo, go to http://netdial.caribe.net/~ernie/360m.jpg | ||||
| John A. Suarez (Futureowner)
Member Username: Futureowner Post Number: 317 Registered: 3-2002 |
I AM A SUPRA | ||||
| Bart McMurry (Mcmurb)
New member Username: Mcmurb Post Number: 15 Registered: 9-2002 |
my pool guy drives a supra | ||||
| Modified348ts (Modman)
Member Username: Modman Post Number: 419 Registered: 11-2001 |
Allan Fielder, you have the same type of sports cars as I do. These comments I find here are quite funny to hear but doesn't effect my feelings of ownership of such vehicles- hey it's all in the lifes experience many may never will feel. My experiece in cars has been such a journey as I have owned many types of vehicles in my life and I must say looking for the fastest car is not the most important thing in buying a vehicle. I could've bought an import car and supped it up and made it faster than any car that I have owned or own currently but understand is that what makes you happy or feel good overall in owning such a vehicle? There will always be a faster car no matter any way you look at it and besides how fast can you drive on public highways before killing yourself? Oh and Martin saying people who own Lambo's can't drive is not the right way to go about and I think you forgot about me. Yes the Diablo doesn't handle as good as my Ferrari but my experience with the Diablo is anything but ordinary and I did not buy the car for it's speed- that was the least concern. I know how it feels to be in a 8-9 sec 1/4 mile car but for the street you will not drive like that and if the car has enough power to pull at freeway speeds then its good as long the handling is just as good, oh the looks too. To me out of all the cars I've owned, I like my CL 600 the most due to that I can drive it anywhere and it handles good with ample power. Don't get me wrong, I love exotic sports cars and would love to experience every one of them I can get my hands on. There are very few production cars out there that will go 200 plus that is any where affordable as the Diablo ( not any of my interest to drive crazy) but the Diablo is nothing to really compare as for the money, nothing exotic is more well distinguised and that is why I bought one. Hope that sums it up.. Keep it real fellas- if you have an Italian exotic you know what it's all about weather Lambo or Ferrari, love them both but as far as a daily driver I would choose a Ferrari any day but in reality it would be my Benz, silky smooth... | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 131 Registered: 6-2002 |
My question is, its about 50 miles to my nearest station to get race gas, what happens if your without? I wouldnt want to run 50 miles out to get gas each time. I also wouldnt want to have gas stored at my home. So my question is wht is the difference in power that a Supra will suffer without the use of race fuel? Also, can i see some pics of your 360? Im going to have one to drive for a week in Miami this Monday. | ||||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 955 Registered: 2-2001 |
Allan, I dont get your comments on the Supra dyno with without race gas? Whats the difference? I filled my Supra up every time with 50% race gas and 50% pump gas. Is there a shortage of race gas I dont know about? Ernesto | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 130 Registered: 6-2002 |
Scotty, as an owner of a Diablo and a 348, i have to say that i find your statements a bit off. Im only 6ft, and about 190pds, but i find the Diablo much more comfortable, and much, much easier to drive than the 348.The Diablos controls also, ie, clutch, steering, gearshift, also require much less effort. | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 129 Registered: 6-2002 |
Wow, this thread is getting funny. First Kcck, heres a dumb question for you, "Why do so many people prefer Lambos to Ferrari's" William, what you are talking about involves more driver skills rather than the cars ability. On the Supra note, since every Supra owner always claims big numbers, why dont they post their dyno numbers on pump gas? What happens when you cant crank the boost through the roof on pump gas? What do you do when there is no race gas available? | ||||
| Scotty (Pzerowaster)
Junior Member Username: Pzerowaster Post Number: 57 Registered: 10-2002 |
This was a very entertaining read. Whew! If this was a pay site, I'd be payin'! DES - you're a man after my own heart. Like you, I get pumped up reading stories like these. The Diablo... I've been in love with that cars shape since I first saw it. There is a dealer about an hour from me, and I always go there to look at Diablos. A few times a year for the past 12. It's just a work of automotive art. But when I finally sat in one, my heart sank. It was so cramped! It's like this stunningly beautiful car was designed, and then Marcello stepped back and said "oh damn, I have to fit a driver in there!" Maybe I'm a little bigger than average, I'm 6'2", about 225 (no fat, I'm an avid weighlifter) and no matter how I adjusted the seat, it was much more uncomfortable than my 348. And my size 12 doc martins could take out two pedals with one foot. Very cramped foot well. But I know I can adapt, because one day, I WILL own a Diablo. No doubt about it. There will be one parked next to my Ferrari. I already have the vanity tag for it for cryin' our loud. I think it's all about what YOU think is cool. Sure, a ZO6, or even some hoopdie kid in his nitrous sniffing Eclipse may beat me to the taco bell, but I couldn't care less. Italian iron is king in my book. BTW - Big respect to the knee draggers that posted to this thread. I did some of that in the 80's till it cost me my license for 6 months. (I was a motocross racer then, which made me a total idiot on a sport bike on public roads). Anyone can hold the throttle to the stop in a straight line, but it takes a set of cast iron doo-dads to pin a sport bike around a turn. Anyway, I've babbled enough. Must be the Sam Adams kickin' in. Scotty out! | ||||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 1665 Registered: 2-2001 |
my 512TR and I have spanked Diablos, Diablo race cars too, vipers, Z06, big block vettes, Porsche Turbos even a GT2. Bring me what you got & we'll see if she can hang with me at the track I'll have to add there are maybe four 355 challenge cars that can beat me but I'm closing that gap | ||||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 954 Registered: 2-2001 |
LOL, Tim, Supra are dyno queens... Now THAT's funny... 800 in a Supra = 500 in any other car... funny, funny stuff!! If I gave you a ride in my 800 (500?) rwhp Supra you would •••• in your pants... AGAIN, the question was - "has anybody spanked a Diablo?" DONT ASK THE QUESTION IF YOU DONT WANT TO HEAR THE ASNWER. I love it when people lose it when Supras or other Japanese cars are brought into a conversation - serious inferiority complex. Just buy your car and enjoy it! Ernesto | ||||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1765 Registered: 6-2001 |
one time i raced a 996tt while driving my friends camaro. I got the jump off the light bc the guy was bad at driving stick. he eventually reeled me in, those are fast cars. a 12 second camaro with full suspension cant hold a candle to it. | ||||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1764 Registered: 6-2001 |
supras are dyno queens. a 800hp supra = any other 500hp car. | ||||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 307 Registered: 3-2001 |
As a sidenote....WHY IN THE WORLD ARE WE TALKING ABOUT SUPRA'S ANYWAY?? WHO REALLY GIVES A SH*T ABOUT A SUPRA? Is this the type of car some individuals here aspire to? If so, there are other boards to visit. Seriously....I know that I will come accross very snobby here...but it's a RICEBURNER!! How about if we just talk about some of the most exotic sportscars that are made in the world? If anyone wants to go off on another marque..don't you think maybe Aston Martin, Maseratti, Lamborghini, Pazoni (spelling?)....enough of the Honda, Toyota, and Dodge crap! Just my jaded opinion. | ||||
| eli (ali) Latif (Ninja_eli)
New member Username: Ninja_eli Post Number: 23 Registered: 5-2002 |
why do people get so upset at the prospect of a another car beating theirs? As Ernesto says, get one car that is seriously quick, and another that makes you feel good. A modded Supra will lead most Ferraris and Diablos the way home. It shouldn't upset anyone, its just the way it is. If you are going to mod your Diablo to get it beat the Supra, then do it. But don't talk about it until you've done it. Then it matters, not before. Its like saying hell I can get an Enzo tomorrow by pulling out money from my business/mortgaging my house etc. It doesn't matter until you do it. Fact is the modded Supra is faster in most cases. Its also easier to drive. If you can get a Diablo to brake consistently then pat on the back for you. Can't believe how childish these debates can get. Go on the Supra/skyline forums and they never bring up stuff like this. Perhaps it the true confidence that they can take most comers, especially Ferraris and Lambos, that makes it an uninteresting, and more importantly, less irrate subject for them. They know whats what, so leave it to lie. If Diablo is more use on the track than on the road, and if thats its use, then just get a track car. Otherwise, a Ferrari is the best all round solution. Useful pretty much everywhere. Ernesto knows the score, he's had and been exposed to all. Until you can say you've done that then its just another uninformed, highly biased opinion. Oh, and 0-150 in 7 seconds? I don't know whether to laugh or cry. I guess it depends on whether you are being serious or trying to make us laugh. I left that kind of talk back at prep school. And I guess it must be well boring for a 308 with stats of 0-100kmh that wouldn't trouble a Civic type R, and power output of (claimed) 215HP, to race a car with 330BHP standard and 0-100KMH of circa 5 seconds. I imagine its no fun watching a car disappear into the distance, especially when it bugs you so much. Who should be racing Accords then? What "more exotic" machinery could a 308 keep up with? | ||||
| steve Lauren (Steve308gtsi)
New member Username: Steve308gtsi Post Number: 16 Registered: 5-2002 |
It seems like it is always a Supra owners goal in life to beat a Lambo or Ferrari. Do lambo or Ferrari owners dream of beating a Supra? I think not. These guys always pull up and try to race and I'm like give me a break. If another exotic type car pulls up then it's a little more fun.Supra owners should stick to racing Accord's. | ||||
| Ricky Nardis (Rickyn_f355)
Junior Member Username: Rickyn_f355 Post Number: 121 Registered: 8-2002 |
I am pretty sure that my 91 Jetta (90 HP i think) can beat a Formula 1 car. My 355 would have trouble though. What is the deal??? I expect m3 vs. s4 debates on the respective boards but at this level it's just plain silly. If you can afford to put $200,000+ into the street just go by one of each and save yourselves the heartache of even caring what pother people think. I agree with Karson 100% on this one, at least compare apples to apples if you want to debate. I know of an 8 second CRX that would wipe the floor with almost any car out there in the 1/4, but does anyone really give a ••••? It's a CRX for god's sake! | ||||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 306 Registered: 3-2001 |
Ric...those are some cold words. | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 107 Registered: 10-2002 |
Good one. Matt. :-) | ||||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 305 Registered: 3-2001 |
I know that I keep talking about displacement (other thread), but the Diablo VT 6.0 has a six litre motor. Again, trying to race a car that has a 6 litre motor, if you have a 3.5/3.6 litre motor (assuming both are normally aspirated) would always be a losing proposition. The 6 litre motor is two thirds larger than a 3.6 litre motor. The only place these machines would meet, to 'race', would be at a drivers education event, or a private event. No sanctioning body would view these two machines as being in the same class. Does anyone here think that a 355/360 would be able to beat a Saleen 7 on the track? Obviously not, so why are you all so obsessed about racing cars that are not comparable. Take that air stuffer out of the Supra, and what are you left with? Just my jaded opinion. | ||||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 304 Registered: 3-2001 |
Because every Lambo comes with the factory GUIDO (drug dealer) STYLING PACKAGE. | ||||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 104 Registered: 10-2002 |
A dumb question. Why do so many people still prefer Ferraris to Lambos, then? | ||||
| Manu (Manu)
Member Username: Manu Post Number: 581 Registered: 2-2002 |
>>>>>Manu and Ric, First let met start with "arguing on the internet is like winning a race in the Special Olympics even if you win your still retarded"<<<<<<< DON'T ARGUE THEN! LOL - I wasn't the guy talking crap about 0-150mph in 7 seconds..... | ||||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 1663 Registered: 2-2001 |
I was at Pocono at the Belle Macchine event, I had met Valentino Balboni, chief test driver for Lambo, there earlier. The last track session I pulled my 512TR up & was first in line to go out. i look back & there is a menacing red Diablo coming up to line up right behind me. I was thinking it might be Valentino in which case i was about to get my azz kicked. So we get out on the track, I warm up then get up to speed, forgot all about the lambo till a few laps later when the guy is doing like 15 mph in the infield & waving everybody past. Seems he was a beginner who thought his car would make him fast, Wrongo!!! I guess he got a valuable education that day | ||||
| G.Peters (Wfo_racer)
Junior Member Username: Wfo_racer Post Number: 68 Registered: 5-2002 |
Manu and Ric, First let met start with "arguing on the internet is like winning a race in the Special Olympics even if you win your still retarded" Manu, no sh_t a tire won't hold up for long at those speeds, you figured this out on your own. With 227hp it spins on the rim pretty easily. Sport Rider magazine tested a bike with pretty much my same set up if you are interested. As for a bike and car comparison , Motorcycle magazine tested at the rack track with a former GP bike world champion who now is a professional race car driver and went faster at Willow Springs big track on a bike than in a Corvette. I'm a former motorcycle road racer ( raced for 14 years ) so I love bikes a bit more than my cars. Anyone can be brave sitting in a cage. Ric, you claim you saw someone crash on a " Jap crotch rocket" and this amuses you. You really are a sad piece of work ,your mother must be so proud of you. Sitting in a cage you are so brave. "Rational " how about wuss. If you or a member of your family ever needs a organ donation I hope it fails . WFO | ||||
| Ric Rainbolt (Ricrain)
Member Username: Ricrain Post Number: 329 Registered: 2-2002 |
WFO, is right. I think more young men should take up motorcylce racing. I watched in awe this summer as a "young go-getter" on a Jap crotch rocket went 0-110ish in about 5 seconds. The real impressive feat was the 110-0 in about 22 feet. No, really. 22 feet... That's how far he managed to punt the Ford Explorer's tail end. He actually managed to spin the Explorer 180 degrees around. Of course he was worm-food before the Explorer even settled on it's suspension. When the ambulance got there, they didn't even get out the stretcher at first... just the black bag. You go boy, keep flicking your wrist, and the more rational amoung us will be forever thankful for your livers and kidneys well after you've decomposed. Not that I have an opinion. | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 128 Registered: 6-2002 |
Well it needs to be re-itterated that its not a Stock Supra beating a Diablo, or Ferrari, but a modded Supra. Run up against a modded Diablo and outcomes will differ. Now a Skyline, well in that case, id of kept the Supra, as the Skyline in my opinion is even less inspiring. How about seeing some pics of your 360 Ernesto? I also differ on the one fast car and one exotic statement, i prefer to have several exotics that are fast enough. | ||||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 948 Registered: 2-2001 |
When comparing the Diablo to the Supra, we were talking outright speed. The question by Matt was, "Has anybody spanked a Lambo?" The answer was yes. The Supra is FASTER, but in no way does it provide the rewarding driving experience of an Italian exotic. And I did not mean to imply so. But the bottom line is that the Supra IS faster, something that may be irrelevant when comparing cars of this nature. Again, I dropped the Supra for the 360, so that explains a lot. Regarding the Diablo vs. 360, to each his own I guess. The only Lambo I would ever own is a Miura. All those new gimmicks of swing up doors and scoops and wings turn me off. And, again, driving it left a lot to be desired - it seemed more geared towards boulevard cruising and showing off than real spirited driving. Regarding blowing past 360's, I also enjoyed blowing past Diablos in my Supra. Not to worry though, when I pick up a new upcoming skyline, I will enjoy passing them again. My opinion is that one should always own a FAST car and an exotic (until you can afford to own one that is both). Ernesto | ||||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 269 Registered: 4-2002 |
ProStock Bikes do the 1/4 in 7.0 at 199, so to do 0-150 in 7.0 sec means that you need about 1/2 the HP of a prostock bike, and about the same traction as a prostock bike. The stock Hayabusa does the 1/4 in 9.7-9.9 at 140+. Now if you are talking 0-150 in 7.99 seconds (i.e in the 7's), then I can believe you, 7.0 no way. | ||||
| steve Lauren (Steve308gtsi)
New member Username: Steve308gtsi Post Number: 15 Registered: 5-2002 |
I'm sorry but I agree with Allen. How can you even compare a Supra with a Diablo. To me a Supra is just a regular car. A Diablo is a great car to drive and it's just hard to explain how it feels in a Ferrari or Lambo(the sound,smell,feel etc). I drove a Supra and it just felt uninspiring. Just an everyday car that is a little quick. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 321 Registered: 8-2002 |
"I do love the sound of that motor though, i usually let them take off in front of me, then listen to the motor as i blow past them." Allan, you're the man...! | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 127 Registered: 6-2002 |
I have to agree with Ernesto on this, a bikes advantage is way down low or off the line. I used to race all of them from 50-60mph and comfortably walk away from them in my Porsche. Not turbo'd Huyabusa's, but bikes comprable to a stock hayabusa. Ive raced a few bikes in the Diablo on the highway and with the spray on the larger ones havent been much of a problem, and withit off, neither have the smaller ones. Ernesto, i find it hard to believe driving a Diablo was a lackluster experience, but yet you drive a 360? The 360 is no doubt a great car, but in my opinion, Ferrari has made it into an Nsx. I was very disappointed, in all aspects. It may be a more nimble car than the Diablo as it is much smaller, but other than that, it cant hold a candle to the Diablo. I do love the sound of that motor though, i usually let them take off in front of me, then listen to the motor as i blow past them. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 324 Registered: 8-2002 |
Manu, that's an awesome story... | ||||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 952 Registered: 2-2001 |
Hey, don't get me wrong, I sold my Supra two weeks ago to keep my MUCH slower 360M. It is much more enjoyable. But if you are talking about speed, the Supra is a much more enjoyable car - much easier to be made to go faster. I found driving a Diablo a lackluster experience, aside from the fast that you are a travelling carnival show where ever you go. Of course, we all have opinions, but Diablos are just not my cup of tea. I have yet to drive a Murcielago, so I don't know about that. Ernesto PS Comparing bikes to cars is stupid. Different animals, although I beat many bikes in my day with my Supra. The bikes edge is down low, they all want to race from the lower mph. I've seen this F-16 that is MUCH faster that any busa... will eat its dust. | ||||
| Manu (Manu)
Member Username: Manu Post Number: 584 Registered: 2-2002 |
RE: Busa - I am a huge huge fan of motorbikes but I don't believe the 0-150mph in 7s - no offence but that bullsh!t. Oh don't get me wrong - the machine (a turbo 'Busa) can do it - but a friend who works at HRC (yes the guys responsible for racing Honda bikes) tells me that there is no tyre in the world which can cope with this kind of acceleration.... anyone banding around claims of 0-150mph in under 9s is talking nonsense.... A normal 'Busa won't wheelie but it will spin up at 120mph+ !!!! A TURBO Busa (!!) that is sitting on genuine road tyres will NEVER do 0-150mph in 7s - that's crap! Interestingly this brings me back onto the Lambo racing topic... my friend raced a Diablo SE 30 on a UK motorway on his tweaked ZX-7R motorbike - he was crusing on the outside lane at 120mph when unbelievably he looked in his rear view and there was a Diablo right behind (he told me the shock stayed with him for months - imagine your doing 120mph and there's somoene behind you waiting for you to move over) - Anyway he let the Diablo pull along side and then they both opened the taps.. he comfortably beat the Diablo to 150mph - at which point the Diablo just kept on coming.... at 165mph the Lambo was level, and then the Diablo started to pull away... they calmed down but the Diablo had the legs at 155mph+ He followed the Lambo off the motorway onto some twisties.... with his knee down (left and right) in the bends the Diablo walked away from him...... | ||||
| Roel de Fouw (Spawnz)
Junior Member Username: Spawnz Post Number: 100 Registered: 6-2002 |
G.Peters: auch, I looked around the web a little for those turbo'd busas and its just unbelievable what does things can do. Acceleration of those bikes just never seems to end. Just be careful it won't kill you. Have fun with it though. Sure you will. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 313 Registered: 8-2002 |
0-150 in about 7 seconds... that made me sit back and think... | ||||
| G.Peters (Wfo_racer)
Junior Member Username: Wfo_racer Post Number: 66 Registered: 5-2002 |
Yawn, these cars are quick just not too fast. My Suzuki Hayabusa with a Hahn Racecraft Turbo is fast. Bike and turbo ran me around $16000.00 out the door. Top speed at the speed runs at El Mirage dry lake bed with the SCCA guys doing timing was 201.3 ( 2 way avg.). 0 to 150 in around 7 seconds and completely streetable running on pump gas. I run errands on this bike. So all the cages mentioned below are fun but not butt clenchers. WFO | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 126 Registered: 6-2002 |
I have driven many Supras, and they are boring. No doubt they can definately be made fast, but so can any car, but in my opinion, they are dull and boring. Much rather have an Nsx, or in that case any slow Ferrari or Lambo. And if i wanted Ultimate speed to trounce the Supra, id get another Porsche. | ||||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 950 Registered: 2-2001 |
I found my Supra much more enjoyable to drive than the Diablo. Ernesto | ||||
| yasir saifullah (Yasir)
New member Username: Yasir Post Number: 17 Registered: 7-2002 |
A stock Supra TT dynos around 300 RWHP but none of the Supra Guys keep those cars stock.With just $5000 you can easily get a Single Turbo and increase the horsepower to 530 RWHP ( The stock fuel limit).I know someone who recently raced a Murcielago and though it was close but yes he did beat the Lambo.From a roll i don't know any car that can beat a Single Turbo Supra. As far as Supra being ugly well thats personal preferance.Are they boring to drive,well Allen,all i can say is take one out for a spin and i promise you,it won't be disappointing. Later, Yasir | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 124 Registered: 6-2002 |
Des, The only way a Supra will beat a Diablo is if it has been modified. Otherwise a Diablo will destroy a Supra. In top speed, regardless the Diablo will still be king. For sheer speed, a Supra is hard to beat, but they are ugly, uninspired, boring to drive and just plain....blah. Its been my experience, that every Lambo, has always been faster than the competing Ferrari. This does not include the F40, and the F50, although, later model Diablos can run with and beat these 2 in certain instances. Before people start going crazy, Road and Track, puts a Diablo 6.0 faster 0-60, 1/4, top speed, better braking, lateral g's, slalom speed than an F50. Dont get me wrong, i love Ferraris, but i always hear the Ferrari guys saying Lambos drives like trucks. Well comparing my 92 348, to my 92 Diablo, the Diablo's steering, clutch and shift effort was far better, same holds true for the same year Testarossa i drove. Now driving my 98 Sv, feels like driving a Cadillac compared to the Ferrari. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 302 Registered: 8-2002 |
Oh, so the Supra needs to be souped up in order to take the Bull...? A factory Bull will toast a factory Supra, anyday... | ||||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Member Username: Jay Post Number: 910 Registered: 10-2001 |
DES can you say "Turbo"? | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 293 Registered: 8-2002 |
Care to elaborate...? i just don't see how that's possible, but most likely, you're more knowledgable than i, so some enlightenment would be greatly appreciated. | ||||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 948 Registered: 2-2001 |
Yes. Ernesto | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 288 Registered: 8-2002 |
Ernesto, you really think a Supra will continuously beat a Diablo...? | ||||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 947 Registered: 2-2001 |
It was my uncles Diablo, and yes he was driving it as well as a normal person would. It was just for fun, as it was obvious the Supra would win. I drove my uncle's Diablo a few times, and it left me very unimpressed (aside from the gawks I would get from people). Still, I'll stick with Ferrari. Ernesto PS we just got our first Murcielago un PR - a blue one. The owner of the Ferrari dealership brought it in. Big improvement over the Diablo, but still no Ferrari. | ||||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Member Username: Jay Post Number: 906 Registered: 10-2001 |
Jim LOL!!! When I had my Fiero GT (Don't laugh it had a Cadillac Northstar V8 @ 300hp) I beat a Lotus at the track. My best time was 13.4 @ 109mph. This summer when the 308 GT4 is up and running I'll see if I can find some lambos to race at the track. Probably out handle a lambo in the corners but in the straights I think a Diablo would win. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 285 Registered: 8-2002 |
Ernesto, did you really spank him or did you just win by default 'cause the driver of the Diablo wasn't in the mood for racing...? i'm not discrediting you, i just don't see how a Diablo would take an L to a Supra... And Jim, it takes one to know one...!  | ||||
| Jim Schad (Jim_schad)
Member Username: Jim_schad Post Number: 586 Registered: 7-2002 |
I think DES is going to spank it while thinking about lambos... | ||||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 946 Registered: 2-2001 |
I spanked a Diablo in my Supra.. but that was no surprise... Ernesto | ||||
| Matt (Matt_lamotte)
Junior Member Username: Matt_lamotte Post Number: 91 Registered: 10-2002 |
Good stories guys. You have DES so hyped it looks like he's about too lose it. Now for the real question. Has anybody spanked a Lambo? | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 276 Registered: 8-2002 |
Oh, man, these stories are so awesome...! The only time i've ever seen a Diablo on the road was when i first moved here, it was going in the opposite direction as i, on the parkway- it was the same color as the Diablo in those pictures posted in the 'Most Unsual Street Cars in Hong Kong' thread... | ||||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Member Username: Jay Post Number: 905 Registered: 10-2001 |
I was in a friends Dino late one night going south on Hwy 400 (in Toronto). We were cruising at about 100km when we pulled up on the back of a yellow Diablo. He was crawling along at about 70km so we slowed down right behind him. The Diablo was so wide and low, I couldn't even see the driver through the rear window! Just then a BMW roadster pulled up beside us to gawk at the Dino, then he noticed the Diablo...He pulled in line and the 3 of us cruised down the highway in formation for about 10 minutes. When we hit Hwy 401 all three of us took the ramp heading eastbound. Traffic came almost to a stand still as everyone slowed first to see the BMW then the Dino then the Diablo! We were going so slow! Then just before the exit for Bayview Ave the Diablo pulled over a lane and I pulled up biside him and the BMW pulled beside me...three wide going very slow! Then the Diablo gave us the wave and head nod and downshifted....He left us standing still and crossed three lanes of traffic, then apexed the exit ramp going "God only knows how fast" and then vanished into the Toronto night! That engine sounded mean! That was the only time I've seen a Diablo on the road here in Toronto. It really made my day. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 269 Registered: 8-2002 |
:::DIABLO, DIABLO, DIABLO, DIABLO!::: Oh, man, these stories are GREAT...! Allan, i can't believe you've had three lamborghinis...! Do you still have either of the Diablos...? More stories, more stories, c'mon, people...! | ||||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Junior Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 122 Registered: 6-2002 |
Des, lets see, Lambo Vs Ferrari stories. I have a few! 1st, on the F40 vs Diablo note. I was at Moroso Motorsports park back in the early 90's when Car and Driver and Shelton Ferrari brought out a F40 and Diablo to compare. They did drag racing and track time. In the quarter the Diablo turned a best of 12.4@119, and the F40 a 12.2@122. Both cars were launched quickly, but not as hard as they could of been. On the track the F40 was the clear winner, as it is much lighter and better braked than the Diablo. In some of the roll on drag races they staged, the Diablos torque would usually launch it in front of the F40, with the F40 having to play catch up. As for some race stories, well lets see. I had a great race against a Testarossa in my old Countach. My car was stock at the time, and gave the Testarossa a huge ass-whipping. Each and every gear change the Tr got left farther and farther behind. I also ran into a 512 TR, and beat that also, this was however after i had changed the Countach fuel injection system to an Electromotive electronic fuel injection system and distributorless ignition. The guy in the 512 was very unhappy. In my Diablos, both the 92 and 98, ive raced a bunch of 355's and 360, even a 308 once for fun. All of them are easily beaten. It is true that unfortunately out on the track most Diablo drivers dont push their cars very hard, the early cars are very underbraked. I have been to the track and seen some Diablos driven very hard and very well, including a 1994 Diablo 30th Se putting a hurting on a Ferrari club driver in a 550 Maranello. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 265 Registered: 8-2002 |
Oh, man, the Black Forest, i've always wanted to go there... Is the F40 really that much more of a car than the Diablo...? Has anyone driven both and can give us an objective opinion...? i can't imagine how much fun that must have been... 174 mph is pretty fast... have you ever been in anything else or somewhere else- a track perhaps, and gone faster than that...? | ||||
| Jay P. Ross (Eilig)
Junior Member Username: Eilig Post Number: 84 Registered: 8-2001 |
:-) Both cars were red... My top speed in the F40 was a somewhat disappointing 280 km/h (174 mph). We were running on a particulary curvy stretch of the Autobahn near the Black Forest, and I was not comfortable taking it too fast through these long bends. Plus, one time as I neared 280 I passed over a very high suspension bridge, and a wind gust seemed to catch the rear wing, which pitched the rear of the car about 4-6 inches to one side... scared the living hell out of me! Because of the long bends in the road, I found myself keeping the revs high in the F40, not wanting to do much gear changing while the car was in a slight turn... I once hit the rev limiter in 4th gear, which must have been around 150 mph... It sorta sounded like high-revving motorcycles do at the drag strip when they bounce off the limiter :-) My friend driving the Diablo was not very confident in his skills, so there's really not much to talk about with the Diablo. I didn't even drive the Diablo... was far more interested in logging as much time with the F40. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 257 Registered: 8-2002 |
Oh man, Eilig, that's such a cool story... what colors were the cars...? i'm assuming the F40 was either red or black (probably red) but what color was the Diablo...? What were your top speeds...? More, more, MORE...!!! | ||||
| Jay P. Ross (Eilig)
Junior Member Username: Eilig Post Number: 83 Registered: 8-2001 |
Back in September, when I was in Germany, I rented the F40 for a day, and my friend rented a Diablo for the same day. We did a little playing around, but no serious drag racing, as my friend's skills as a driver aren't too strong, and of course neither of us wanted to risk wrecking either of these cars... But a few times on the Autobahn, we brought the cars nose to nose, spooled up the revs, and nailed it. It was interesting... it seemed that the F40 gears were more widely spaced, and it took it longer to climb through the revs then the Diablo. Even with this being the case, however, the F40 won nearly every contest. The only exception was a couple of times I wasn't in the right gear, and the turbos weren't already at pressure. Then of course the Diablo jumped way ahead. The only other thing I can say is that the Diablo seemed to be a very difficult car to drive... especially for my friend who was over 6 foot. I did sit in it (didn't drive it though), and the pedals seemed too close, the shifter felt really notchy, and my friend kept hitting his knees on the under side of the panel whenever he got aggressive. The F40 is so deceptive... if you let it climb the revs from a nice easy launch, it actually takes off really smooth, then the turbos build, and then WHAM -- it's all there! | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 252 Registered: 8-2002 |
It was yellow...?!?! YELLOW...?!?! Oh, man...! i saw a yellow one at B of LI a few months ago and, when i pulled out of the parking lot, i almost thought i was in one... i flew down the street, weaving through traffic like Steve McQueen, my friend said she'd never seen me drive like that, before... Sorry to hear about the .com thing, that really sucks... i hope you get back up on things and are able to come across another Bull... WHat color was the interior...? Was it black with yellow piping...? Yellow with black piping...? | ||||
| Mitchell L. Davidson (Jussumfastgi)
Member Username: Jussumfastgi Post Number: 366 Registered: 4-2002 |
Lol, cool down, you're going to explode. If you like Diablo's why not going the lamborghini list? It was yellow, it was mine for about six months then the .dot crash hit me hard. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 330 Registered: 8-2002 |
i'm jumping up and down, waiting for more info on the Diablo... someone, please come over here and stop me before my head exploDES... :::Diablo, Diablo, Diablo, Diablo, Diablo, Diablo, Diablo, Diablo::: | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 328 Registered: 8-2002 |
So you were in the Diablo and you beat the crap out of the F355...? Damn, my blood pressure just shot up, thinking about racing a Diablo... just thinking about LOOKING at a racing Diablo... just thinking about a Diablo in MOTION... ••••, i'm a young guy, chest pains like these are abnormal... ...ok, tell me more... what color was the Diablo, what was it like driving the Diablo, how often do you drive the Diablo, is it YOUR Diablo...? (Is it possible i'm just as much a Bull enthusiast as i am, a Horse...?) | ||||
| Mitchell L. Davidson (Jussumfastgi)
Member Username: Jussumfastgi Post Number: 365 Registered: 4-2002 |
I was in the Diablo, my friend owne(d) the F355, and the Diablo pulled on it very, very badly. As it should. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 324 Registered: 8-2002 |
Oh, Damon, that's an awesome story...! Whooo, i can only imagine, i wish i was there...! ••••, that must've been so exciting... Mitch, when you said: "I ran a F355 in a 1996 Diablo SV. It wasn't close, but it was fun." what did you mean...? were you in the F355 or the Diablo...? And who won...? | ||||
| Damon Bottorff (Prova7)
New member Username: Prova7 Post Number: 4 Registered: 7-2002 |
I own a 93 RX-7 TT that I race avidly along with being my daily driver, car is basically stock except for exhaust and suspension. I pulled up next to a Diablo at a stoplight on the way home from work one evening. We both smiled and exchanged the "This should be fun look" and began watching the light. When the light for the cross street turned yellow we both pick up the revs and get ready for launch. My windows are down and that Lamborghini sounded wonderful (not like a Ferrari, but wonderful. Rotaries just sound like alien turbines when they are wound up). Light goes green and I instantly pull half a car length purely from reaction time. His front bumper is right outside my window and I as I am winding first out to 8,000 rpm I can see he is not gaining. I begin thinking "This really might be interesting afterall..." At that point I half dip the clutch to go for second and the Lambo passes in full song still carrying first gear! He finally chirps the tires into second as I try and give chase but he was steadily pulling away. Worst butt whippin' I have ever had =) | ||||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 3494 Registered: 5-2001 |
William actually did. He hates them, because most Lambo drivers can not drive on the track. The Lambo pulles away in the straights but William catches them in the corners. fun to watch. | ||||
| Mitchell L. Davidson (Jussumfastgi)
Member Username: Jussumfastgi Post Number: 363 Registered: 4-2002 |
I ran a F355 in a 1996 Diablo SV. It wasn't close, but it was fun. | ||||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 312 Registered: 8-2002 |
Oh, man, what a cool question... i can't wait to hear some of the stories that come with this... | ||||
| Matt (Matt_lamotte)
Junior Member Username: Matt_lamotte Post Number: 91 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hey guys. I was wondering if any of you guys out there had run against a lambo. If so what kind of car did you have and what kind of lamborghini? I am sure Allan has some stories... |
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