| Author | Message | ||
| Bart Bosmans (Bel)
New member Username: Bel Post Number: 16 Registered: 11-2002 |
I just got back from Singen, here some feedback. 1. Cars are in very good condition 2. Very helpfull, they take time for a customer 3. They don't give warranty and aren't able to sell you any. 4. Only small % of cars on the website are in the showroom. Answers, Ton the 328 are in very good condition, check your mail for the pictures Kenneth they do ship to Hong Kong this will cost you +/- 5000 Euro including insurance,3 days delivery by plane.   | ||
| Kevin Butler (Challenge)
New member Username: Challenge Post Number: 45 Registered: 9-2002 |
Stay away from those Socialist countries....and California. | ||
| Ton Visser (Lion315)
Junior Member Username: Lion315 Post Number: 56 Registered: 12-2002 |
Rijk, You are so right! That is exactly the reason why I moved to Belgium. I drive my BMW for 30% less!!! And that knowing that the border is just 7 km away! | ||
| Rijk Rietveld (Rijk365gtb4)
Junior Member Username: Rijk365gtb4 Post Number: 92 Registered: 1-2002 |
Oh, there is more. Warrantees are limited to one year. If you get a car from the bussiness, a portion of the value is added to your income, so you pay taxes over it. | ||
| Rijk Rietveld (Rijk365gtb4)
Junior Member Username: Rijk365gtb4 Post Number: 91 Registered: 1-2002 |
I think that in Europe it is very difficult to get a car under MSRP and you get no information as to dealer invoice. Also you have to add the VAT. In the US you can buy standard new cars (not the exotics) for dealer invoice or even below and the sales tax is also lower. In the Netherlands you even pay BPM at 23% (?) on top of the VAT, so cars are on average 40% more expensive than in the US. On top of that you pay road tax and gas is 3.5 times as expensive as well. No, you are much better off in the US (that is why I moved to the US) | ||
| Jonas Petersen (Karsten335)
Junior Member Username: Karsten335 Post Number: 137 Registered: 11-2002 |
Okay, that is possible.. I just don't know any of the countries. It's not the US, thats for sure. But you might be right. Still, I'm pretty sure that Germany has the cheapest cars in the world. | ||
| Ansgar Schürmeyer (Taunus)
Junior Member Username: Taunus Post Number: 76 Registered: 6-2002 |
Jonas, i didn't want to attack you. But is is a fact, MB, BMW, Audi, Porsche and VW sell their cars cheaper in some countries than in germany. | ||
| Jonas Petersen (Karsten335)
Junior Member Username: Karsten335 Post Number: 134 Registered: 11-2002 |
Ansgar.. If a Mercedes Benz is cheaper in US then in Germany, then why are 50% of all cars in Germany Mercedes and BMW? And only a very low number of cars in USA ? - That doens't quite add op. The cars are cheaper in Germany then in most country's. 16 % is lower than en America, thats for sure. An F50 in Denmark cost's 1.5 million dollars. And the price on the F50 I gave, was only a shot on what it could be, not what it was. Please read my posts proberly before you attack me. | ||
| Bart Bosmans (Bel)
New member Username: Bel Post Number: 13 Registered: 11-2002 |
Jonas, For 150.000 Euro i'll come home tomorrow with a F50 instead of a 360 F1. But like Ansgar said they are at +/- 450.000 Euro. Bart | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1806 Registered: 6-2001 |
It looks as if he parks his cars based on colors. silver here, red over there....etc. it mustbe nice to have so many cars that you can park them based on color, so many that people will actually notice that you did that. | ||
| Ansgar Schürmeyer (Taunus)
Junior Member Username: Taunus Post Number: 75 Registered: 6-2002 |
Jonas, excuse me, but that germany has the cheapest cars in the world is completely bullshit. For a new Mercedes Benz for example you pay a lot more, than perhaps in U.S.A. On new cars you have to pay 16 % VAT like on most other products. If you want to know how much a F50 costs at Singen, use this: http://www.autosalon-singen.de/Fahrzeuge_RecordSearch.cfm?languageID=GB | ||
| Tazio Nuvolari (Nuvolari)
Junior Member Username: Nuvolari Post Number: 68 Registered: 9-2002 |
Small World. The pictures are from 'Randy's trip to Germany' . Well I am the one who went with Randy to Germany last month. This is one of his pictures of me: http://216.123.72.168/maxbimmer/germany/pages/DSCN8455.htm & http://216.123.72.168/maxbimmer/germany/pages/DSCN8491.htm Both buying my ticket to the lap the Nurburgring (my 3rd time there this year) and standing in front of the entrance to Nurburg with castle Nurburg in the background. I must say that the Auto Salon in Singen is something to behold. Don't be fooled, they move A LOT of cars. | ||
| Jonas Petersen (Karsten335)
Junior Member Username: Karsten335 Post Number: 131 Registered: 11-2002 |
ohh, believe me.. There ain't staying there for very long. The exotic car sales in Germany are so high, I would say that they sell at least 3 a day. You would have to see it with your own eyes. The cars og coming and going. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1178 Registered: 8-2002 |
It's a shame to see these cars just sitting. | ||
| Jonas Petersen (Karsten335)
Junior Member Username: Karsten335 Post Number: 130 Registered: 11-2002 |
Your both right. They don't pay taxes on their cars. Only other things. And off course as TomD said. But the demand wouldn't be that big if it wasn't for the taxes, which isn't there. Here in Denmark (neighbourgh, or how its spelled, to Germany) we have the biggest taxes on cars. 80%  Go figure | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 2129 Registered: 9-2001 |
supply and demand | ||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 200 Registered: 10-2002 |
Is there any reason why exotics cost more in the US than in Germany? Is it due to government taxes and levies, or just dealers' profits? | ||
| Jonas Petersen (Karsten335)
Junior Member Username: Karsten335 Post Number: 129 Registered: 11-2002 |
And this picture, because I think it's cool. Notice the 575 in the middle, and then all the red in the background. Love that picture.  | ||
| Jonas Petersen (Karsten335)
Junior Member Username: Karsten335 Post Number: 128 Registered: 11-2002 |
But those pictures don't even show half of the dealer. The are just as many outside, and in there warehouse next to the shop. I would say they have around 130 Ferrari's alone. As said they had 4 F50's and 2 F40's when I where there. I found some (Not mine) where they have 3 F50's   | ||
| Jonas Petersen (Karsten335)
Junior Member Username: Karsten335 Post Number: 127 Registered: 11-2002 |
I don't know what the price on the F50 is, but it's not high. Germany has the cheapest cars in the world. You can buy a Ferrari for the same price as you pay for a Crown Victoria in the U.S So as you can imagine there's alot of supercars in Germany. My bid for that F50 : 150.000 | ||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 197 Registered: 10-2002 |
Ton, That's what I mean. During my student days in London, taking the car across the channel to drive on the Continent was a rather nervewrecking experience. I thought that was once a study done about left-hand drive being scientifically more desirable than right-hand drive. But I am not sure. | ||
| Ton Visser (Lion315)
Junior Member Username: Lion315 Post Number: 53 Registered: 12-2002 |
Kenneth, Left hand driving is (luckily) only restricted to UK areas | ||
| Ton Visser (Lion315)
Junior Member Username: Lion315 Post Number: 52 Registered: 12-2002 |
Bart, Would you be so kind to have a closer look at the 328 GTS's that they have? They have send me some pictures through email and want me to believe that all the cars are in supreme condition (although there are some large price differences). I would be very grateful if you could tell me your opinion about the cars. regards, Ton | ||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 193 Registered: 10-2002 |
Yes. Do they ship cars to overseas (places like Hong Kong)? And if so, how does one go about it? Many thanks. | ||
| Bart Bosmans (Bel)
New member Username: Bel Post Number: 11 Registered: 11-2002 |
For those interested, i'm leaving thursday for autosalon singen(360 F1), any requests for them. Let me know. Bart | ||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 188 Registered: 10-2002 |
And they drive on the left-hand side of the road. | ||
| Ton Visser (Lion315)
Junior Member Username: Lion315 Post Number: 51 Registered: 12-2002 |
It is so nice to be european! Good priced Ferrari's and the German autobahn always close-by. Auto-salon-Singen is an absolute must if you visit Germany or Austria. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 618 Registered: 8-2002 |
Jeff, i'm in to own a piece... even if it's the tiniest piece, i'm cool with that, as long as i get to drive a Ferrari... | ||
| Jeff Whitley (Phuket_jeff)
New member Username: Phuket_jeff Post Number: 13 Registered: 4-2002 |
Ben, I wrote to them a couple of times before they responded after a week of waiting a reply. They are not real fast in responding. | ||
| Jeff Whitley (Phuket_jeff)
New member Username: Phuket_jeff Post Number: 12 Registered: 4-2002 |
I looked at their site a while back and if you dig enough, they are looking for investors. Anyone care to own part of an exotic dealership? | ||
| Ben Lobenstein 90 TR (Benjet)
Member Username: Benjet Post Number: 958 Registered: 1-2001 |
Any ideas how much the silver (Grigio) F50, that is the subject of this post, might be priced at? I sent them an email and got no reply, any german typers/chatters out there, can anyone help? -Ben | ||
| stu cordova (Balataboy)
Member Username: Balataboy Post Number: 343 Registered: 4-2001 |
Thanks Ansgar, WOW - 39,935 for an 85 QV??? I'm taking mine to Germany!!! | ||
| Ansgar Schürmeyer (Taunus)
Junior Member Username: Taunus Post Number: 74 Registered: 6-2002 |
stu, you can use this feature to calculte: http://www.oanda.com/convert/classic?user=assingen&lang=de 38.296,00 Euro = 39.935,07 US Dollar | ||
| Ansgar Schürmeyer (Taunus)
Junior Member Username: Taunus Post Number: 73 Registered: 6-2002 |
Manu, many of the cars in their stock are sold on commission (is this right in english ???), means these cars belong still to the original owner. | ||
| stu cordova (Balataboy)
Member Username: Balataboy Post Number: 339 Registered: 4-2001 |
Incredible!! I'm curious.... Anyone know what 38.296,00 Gesamtpreis means relative to US dollars??? | ||
| Manu (Manu)
Member Username: Manu Post Number: 586 Registered: 2-2002 |
auto salon singen looks AMAZING.... what a dealer! Anyone care to calculate how much money they have "on the shelf"? | ||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 171 Registered: 10-2002 |
Jonas, I saw your name. So I just dropped in to say HI. Did you take pictures whilst you were there? | ||
| Jonas Petersen (Karsten335)
Junior Member Username: Karsten335 Post Number: 126 Registered: 11-2002 |
Ohh yes.. I have been there in person.. The worlds largest exotics dealer. You really can't believe it before you've been there yourself. When I was there, they had like 4 F50's and 2 F40's in their showroom, and all other ferrari's in multiple numbers.. HEAVEN. So stop by the town; "Singen" in the sourthern Germany, and you will find that shop | ||
| David J. Smith (Darkhorse512)
Junior Member Username: Darkhorse512 Post Number: 101 Registered: 10-2002 |
Damn! I'm leaving Germany in the morning and I'm just hearing about this place now?!?! Where is my luck? I have seen enough to make my next trip here even better. | ||
| Fayyaz Vellani (Fvellani)
New member Username: Fvellani Post Number: 7 Registered: 8-2002 |
Oh my dear sweet god...I just saw heaven | ||
| John (Modenaf1fan)
New member Username: Modenaf1fan Post Number: 33 Registered: 11-2002 |
i like how he threw in the booty shots now this guy knows how to take pics! | ||
| Neil A. Campbell (Bimmerlover)
New member Username: Bimmerlover Post Number: 29 Registered: 10-2002 |
i think god didnt want to win the lotto, because i would have alll those cars and i am reallly not kidding. i cant sleep right now because of that link | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 574 Registered: 8-2002 |
The cars weren't good enough, right...? He HAD to show the track, too...? Bastard... now i'll never sleep... | ||
| John (Modenaf1fan)
New member Username: Modenaf1fan Post Number: 31 Registered: 11-2002 |
OMG!! that is beauty! | ||
| Ben Lobenstein 90 TR (Benjet)
Member Username: Benjet Post Number: 955 Registered: 1-2001 |
I'm not sure how I'm going to be able to eat if ever could manage to afford that, nor do I have any clue where to put (park) it, nor how I would pay to insure it or keep it well maintained, but I STILL WANT IT BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD. In fact I will send them an inqury immediately. I know what I'll be dreaming about tonight, heck I'm gonna make this a new goal (once I find out how much $!)... -Ben | ||
| Ansgar Schürmeyer (Taunus)
Junior Member Username: Taunus Post Number: 70 Registered: 6-2002 |
The guy is a real carnut. He takes nearly the complete program. His visit tour in germany: 1. Auto Salon Singen, the worlds largest exotic car dealer 2. The Nürburgring 3. Michael Schumachers Kartingcenter 4. Motor Show at Essen, Europes largest Sportscar + Tuning Show 5. D + W, Germanys largest Tuning-Shop Here is the complete link: http://216.123.72.168/maxbimmer/germany/ | ||
| Ansgar Schürmeyer (Taunus)
Junior Member Username: Taunus Post Number: 69 Registered: 6-2002 |
Look here: www.auto-salon-singen.de This is the dealer, where you can buy this car. | ||
| D B (Threesixty)
Junior Member Username: Threesixty Post Number: 108 Registered: 8-2002 |
............... Now where's a new pair of pants. | ||
| Neil A. Campbell (Bimmerlover)
New member Username: Bimmerlover Post Number: 28 Registered: 10-2002 |
this site makes me wish i had played the powerball, because this would be my garage. http://216.123.72.168/maxbimmer/germany/pages/DSCN8351.htm sorry if this is a repost |