| Author | Message | ||
| william speer (Wspeer)
Junior Member Username: Wspeer Post Number: 121 Registered: 8-2002 |
the fx is a car based on the f512m. supposedly, 6 of these cars were built and to the best of my understanding, all have f-1 style gearboxes, but not the same type that the current cars have. the one mentioned in the forza article, which is now owned by marconi, has a gearbox built by williams. the sultan has sent liquidated these cars, all in right hand drive, and mike sheehan won the contratc for these cras as well as the other cars owned by the sultan. marconi acquired his car prior to the the sheehan arrangement. the bodies are complete carbon-fiber and vary in color. later the enzo was nicknamed the "fx", and was completely unrelated to the sultans cars. | ||
| Racer 001 (Mr_0011)
Member Username: Mr_0011 Post Number: 454 Registered: 3-2002 |
No that's the F140... the FX is based on the Testarossa I think. | ||
| Rikky Alessi (Ralessi)
New member Username: Ralessi Post Number: 37 Registered: 5-2002 |
What is an FX? A prototype version of the Enzo, or something else? Anyone have any pictures? | ||
| Francisco J. Quinones (Frankie)
Junior Member Username: Frankie Post Number: 155 Registered: 8-2002 |
I stand corrected Willis  ,i've noticed that in the past, but never really checked it,soooo i just went to www.ferrari.com (www.ferrariworld.com)and noticed that none of the current production lineup have an "F" prior to the model designation. huh,go figure. p.s.the Forza article on the FX mentioned that production was rumored to be between two and six cars,but the exact number has never been verified;all went to the Sultan. lucky fellow | ||
| Patrick (Patrickr)
Junior Member Username: Patrickr Post Number: 86 Registered: 4-2002 |
DES, Thanks for asking the question... I have been wondering what some of the terminology around her meant! Thanks to all those who took the time to type it all out. Patrick | ||
| Bryan Phillips (Bryanp)
New member Username: Bryanp Post Number: 32 Registered: 8-2002 |
more trivia - re: the SF shields - in the 50s and 60s, Ferrari only put them on the competition cars run by the factory as official Ferrari team cars - even new competition Ferraris sold to and raced by private owners did not carry the scuderia shields. I suppose a privateer could have aplied the SF stickers, but I don't believe they came from the factory that way I think the first street Ferrari to wear the Scuderia shield (from the factory) was the 288GTO. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Intermediate Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 1074 Registered: 8-2001 |
Francisco said: "most people when referring to the newer models usually delete the F, i.e.355GTS,550,360 " A slight correction on this. 550 and 360 do not have F in front of the numbers. Not in the car, not on owner's manual covers, etc. The only ones with F + numbers, to my knowledge, are F355, F512M, F40, F50, the F1 cars, and the FX (one-off for Sultan of Brunei). Yes, F355 and F512M are often referred to without the F attached. | ||
| Gene Agatep (Gagatep)
Junior Member Username: Gagatep Post Number: 138 Registered: 8-2002 |
ooops... Francisco's got it... me bad.. | ||
| Gene Agatep (Gagatep)
Junior Member Username: Gagatep Post Number: 137 Registered: 8-2002 |
Nebula, here's info to add to your list GTO = Gran Turismo Omulgato (I have no idea what the O means - or the proper spelling) | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 2135 Registered: 9-2001 |
barchetta - "bar ket ta " not "bar chet ta" comes from the italian word - barca or boat. it mean essentially means little boat but really more than that. Perhaps someone fluent in italian and english can convey the meaning a little better than me - no pun intended | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Intermediate Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 1096 Registered: 7-2001 |
The "SF" question regarding the shields reminded me of a story. My kids and I were in the garage and my 7 year old said he knew what the "F" stood for, but what did the "S" stand for? Without missing a beat, my 4 year old said "Stupid". His favorite word. Good thing my wife didn't hear it! They both got a good giggle out of that. | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Junior Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 143 Registered: 9-2002 |
KCCK, its all good BTW its humor ;) | ||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 209 Registered: 10-2002 |
Oops, sorry, it should be Omar. And all in good humour, Omar. | ||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 206 Registered: 10-2002 |
Amar "Anyone remember this show?? or am too old/young now :x " Could be worse. Could be non-American like myself. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 659 Registered: 8-2002 |
i just got home...you guys are girdlousl with yie helkp you'v givne me... i rellay ppreciate it.. thanks sos much Ferrairvhat it os cool ,all thne people here are rslly nice andknowlegenblae... thank you so much... | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Junior Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 142 Registered: 9-2002 |
KCCK, that reminds me of my favorite line from a TV show used to watch on fox when I was little called Eek! the Cat..Eek would always say 'it never hurts to help' and mostly get beaten to a tar by Sharky the Shark dog ...the second half of the show was 'the mighty thunderlizards' IMO the funniest cartoon that ever existed....well anyway on that show were 2 humans, the fat one was a cheerful guy and the skinny one always was getting hurt by the fat ones inventions...his line was 'when will the hurting stop' my other fav line.... Anyone remember this show?? or am too old/young now :x | ||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 205 Registered: 10-2002 |
You guys do impress me no end with your willingness to help others. | ||
| Francisco J. Quinones (Frankie)
Junior Member Username: Frankie Post Number: 149 Registered: 8-2002 |
GTO: Gran Turismo Omologatto. to enter in certain racing classes you had-have to build a certain number of copies of the car you intended to race,and make them available to the public,although certain manufacturers have been known to fudge these requirements a bit... at the time the 355 was introduced in '94 Ferrari added the F in front of all their new model designations,F355TB,F355TS,F550 etc.then they changed in '97 i think, to F355GTB,F355GTS,don't know why. The F40 means Ferrari 40th anniv. The F50 was actually begun before the official 50th anniv in '95, but Ferrari somehow reasoned that the LAST one would be built around the time of the anniversary in '98 so... cabriolet is a convertible with a nicer, fully lined top,roll-up windows and a more luxurious and complete overall package. spider is a more spartan sporty version with the more basic top. barchetta is an open car with a basic rudimentary cover,no insulation,also usually meant no windows or fixed windows on a frame that fit in holes on top of the door frame,the sportiest of the bunch,a fair weather car.although the 550 Barchetta Pininfarina has power windows and such,it's top is just a cover from the elements really, not to be used at speeds over 70 mph i believe. over the last few years these model designations have been mixed and matched and really are kinda confusing,so don't feel like your alone DES,i too sometimes go WTF?but that's the way it is. most people when referring to the newer models usually delete the F, i.e.355GTS,550,360 etc. hope this helps a bit. Frankie | ||
| Byron (Bmyth)
Junior Member Username: Bmyth Post Number: 99 Registered: 10-2002 |
"348ts - ts is testarossa style for the doors" Omar, while this logically makes sense, the "T" actually stands for "Transversale" which refers to the gearbox mounted transversely with the clutch behind it. The "S" actually refers to "Spider" but actually was a targa top version of the other model, "B" for "Berlinetta" | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Junior Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 140 Registered: 9-2002 |
DES, a suggestion, memorize f-car history, at least of the last 20 years or so(most ppl have one of these cars) and memorize the buyers guide to a number of models (why? why not...I did when I became 16) Get Forza subsription as well, some here like to bust on it, and understandably so, but when you dont know much, they are a great tool to expand your kowledge..some older ones are available online as well (like the TR buyers guide) have fun! If you truely love f-cars (which seems to be the case) you would jump to this and have no prob | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Junior Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 139 Registered: 9-2002 |
other things: front engine - engine in front or equal to the front wheels (vettes, 550s,vipers) front mid engine - engine in back of front wheels, but in front of the cabin (s2000,350Z,etc) mid engine - engine behind cabin and less than or equal to the wheels (nsx, TRs, 3xx series,etc) rear engine - engine behind cabin AND rear wheels (911,993,996,etc) twin engine - one in the front and one in the back (a company does this to caddys w/ 2 V8s :p) | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Junior Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 138 Registered: 9-2002 |
Couple things: 348ts - ts is testarossa style for the doors 348 denotes cc...so the 348 has a 3.48L V8 (appro) 2 euro car things: {uk} saloon - sedan in English bonnet - hood in English {germany} I think a sedan is a limosena (sp?) or someting like that and one more thing... GTA - grand theft auto ;) just kidding its as said below, a GT auto | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 658 Registered: 8-2002 |
Awesome story, Tillman, thank you very much... | ||
| Tillman Strahan (Tillman)
Member Username: Tillman Post Number: 263 Registered: 11-2001 |
Designed Enigma Systems, Scuderia means stable as in horse stable. It derives from horse racing. Tifosi is Italian for a group of fans, and is not necessarily reserved for Ferrari fans, although that's the normal usage in the English speaking world. Next, you need to know where the horse comes from. Read this link: http://www.ferrari-forsale.com/PrancingHorseLegend | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 654 Registered: 8-2002 |
Matt, stable like, this is a stable Ferrari...? ("it's ok folks, this Ferrari's level-headed... she'll be just fine...") Or stable as in a "Horse's" stable (now there's a cute pun!), as in, this one is from the stable; a 'special thoroughbred', or something like that...? Racer- perfect...! You just reminded me...! i don't know what Tifosi means, either...! (is it any wonder i was in special ed. as a high school student...?) PS: Ferraris were a passion for me long before Lamborghinis... i just really like the Bulls, too... i like them equally, i think, it's just that Ferrari has so many different models, so there's more to love... | ||
| Racer 001 (Mr_0011)
Member Username: Mr_0011 Post Number: 452 Registered: 3-2002 |
DES a tifosi in the making... except he likes Lambos too much... :p | ||
| Racer 001 (Mr_0011)
Member Username: Mr_0011 Post Number: 451 Registered: 3-2002 |
DES is a tifosi in the making... except he's a big Lambo guy... I think... | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 1202 Registered: 8-2002 |
DES Scuderia means Stable | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 652 Registered: 8-2002 |
Hey, Nebula, Andrew, Racer, Wade, Tillman, Joseph, Kenneth, now that i think about it, some of the "shields" on the siDES of some Ferraris have the letters "S" "F", which i know stands for Scuderia Ferrari... What is Scuderia...? Hey, listen, learning is an awesome thing... it's such an incredible feeling to learn something and retain... not like doing a formula in Excel for something work-related, rather finding something out about something you like and really beginning to know about it... thanks alot, i really appreciate all the information... | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 648 Registered: 8-2002 |
Nebula, thanks so much, this is really helpful, you have no idea...! | ||
| Nebula Class (Nebulaclass)
Junior Member Username: Nebulaclass Post Number: 62 Registered: 11-2002 |
Oh, alomst forgot: QV: QuattroValvole, meaning a 4-valve cylinder head, denoting the change from the original 308 2 valve head to the 308 4 alve head. 355: 3.5l V8 with 5 valves/cylinder in the head. Did I forget anything? | ||
| Nebula Class (Nebulaclass)
Junior Member Username: Nebulaclass Post Number: 61 Registered: 11-2002 |
A basic lesson: Coupe: 2 door car with a top. Berlinetta: A coupe vairiety of a car availabe in spider form. Sedan: 4 door car with a top. Spider: A coupe with a fully retractable top. Cabriolet: Frog version of a spider. Targa: A coupe with a roof section between the a-pillars and b-pillars that is removable. Roadster: A coupe with NO top at all. Barchetta: Italian for "Little Boat." Enzo called some of his earlier creations Barchettas (166MM) because they looked like little boats. Essentailly, an italian Roadster. GT: Grand Touring GTS: Grand Touring Spider GTB: Grand TOuring Berlinetta Boxer: Denotes the use of a flat, boxer, or horizontally opposed engine. F3XX: Denotes the design lineage break from the older 308,328,348 cars, which shared a lot of the same designs. Since the F355 was a clean sheet car, it was considered a break from the old 3X8 cars, and as such, had a new denotation. F40: Ferrari 40 year anniv. F50: Ferrari 50 year alliversary GTO: ??? Grand touring something or other. XXXi: Fuel injected engine vs. carbeurated M: Modified. Given to a design when it is close to the end of it's production schedule, and the original desing has become somewhat outdated. The 512M, for example, refreshed the 10 year old Testarossa while Ferrari completed the design of the 550. GTA: Grand Touring Automatic (456 GTA) LM: LeMans version (F40 LM) SP: Sports Prototype (333 SP) TestaRossa: Italian for "Red Head", denoting the red cylinder heads on the OG TR from the 50's. Daytona: A tip of the Hat to the race at Daytona, Florida. Mondial: ??? Modena: Ferrari HQ in Italy. Maranello: Ferrari Factory in Italy. 166MM: Named for the Mille Miglia, a 1000 mile uphill race in Italy. Dino: Named after Enzo's son, Dino, who dies in the early 60's (I think that's the right time frame) 308: 3.0l V8 328: 3.2l V8 348: 3.4l V8 355: 3.5l V8 288: 2.8l V8 456: Denotes the cylinder size 550: 5.5l V12 512: 5.0l V12 A lot of the 3XX numbers, like the 333, 330, 356, denote some aspect of the cylinder design, like the bore and stroke. I can't remember exactly what it is. Hopefully this helps! There are some I'm probably missing, or wrong about, but hopefully this educates you a little. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 635 Registered: 8-2002 |
Pino, Wade, Racer, Tim- thanks, guys, for clearing things up... i'm gonna copy and paste this to my computer and study it, this way i'll know... this helps alot, you have no idea, really... thank you... When it comes to things like this, i need explaining like i'm a little kid... Hey, Rob, there should be a section on the site with all these definitions compiled into a list... i'd be happy to do it once i got more information... Thanks, everyone... | ||
| Racer 001 (Mr_0011)
Member Username: Mr_0011 Post Number: 445 Registered: 3-2002 |
OK... thanks for clearing it up. I never noticed since your eyes usually are attracted to the red "F1" lettering before looking at the 355... | ||
| Joseph Caretti (Pino)
Junior Member Username: Pino Post Number: 128 Registered: 4-2002 |
Racer, the website is wrong. But seriously, if you look at any 355 with the F1 tranny, you will see they drop the preceeding F on the rear of the car, and on the dashboard. As Tim said F=Ferrari 355=3.5 liter/5 valves per cylinder. Hence F355. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1812 Registered: 6-2001 |
DES, im gonna guess that the f stands for ferrari. | ||
| Racer 001 (Mr_0011)
Member Username: Mr_0011 Post Number: 443 Registered: 3-2002 |
Joseph... I still see them called F355 F1 and F355... both w/ an F... even when you look at the Ferrari website... | ||
| Joseph Caretti (Pino)
Junior Member Username: Pino Post Number: 125 Registered: 4-2002 |
Let me clarify the F355 thing: F355 denotes a six speed. When the F1 became available they dropped the preceeding F for those cars equipped with that transmission so it is not so ackward sounding: 355 F1 vs F355 F1. Any clearer? Berlinetta is a closed coupe, GTS (gran turismo spider)-which is actually a removable targa top, and finally Spider, a fully retractable top, or a cabriolet(french word) if you will. Spider just sounds better, I guess. Spider and Spyder are the same, just a twist on the spelling. Barchetta (definition being "little boat") means just that. The car in question looks like a little boat (in a manner of speaking, of course). It usually has no (decent) top to speak of, and lowered winshield and side glass. Very sporty. Finally: Happy New Year! | ||
| Wade R Nunez (308nut)
Junior Member Username: 308nut Post Number: 74 Registered: 7-2002 |
Here you go DES GT Gran Touring GTS Gran Touring Spyder M Modificato GTB Gran Touring Berlinetta BB Boxer Berlinetta BBLM Boxer Berlinetta LeMans TR Testarossa Barchetta little boat BBi Boxer Berlinetta injected GTSi GTS injected GTS qv Quatrovalvole 4 valves per cylinder GTO Gran Tourismo Oblongatta F-40 Ferrari 40 years F-50 Ferrari 50 years any more I know them all Wade www.fortunemotors.com | ||
| Wade R Nunez (308nut)
Junior Member Username: 308nut Post Number: 72 Registered: 7-2002 |
Here you go DES GT Gran Touring GTS Gran Touring Spyder M Modificato GTB Gran Touring Berlinetta BB Boxer Berlinetta BBLM Boxer Berlinetta LeMans TR Testarossa Barchetta little boat BBi Boxer Berlinetta injected GTSi GTS injected GTS qv Quatrovalvole 4 valves per cylinder GTO Gran Tourismo Oblongatta F-40 Ferrari 40 years F-50 Ferrari 50 years any more I know them all | ||
| Racer 001 (Mr_0011)
Member Username: Mr_0011 Post Number: 440 Registered: 3-2002 |
A Barchetta would be a nice weekend car in the summer here in California... (dreams) | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 631 Registered: 8-2002 |
See, now i would've paid $xx.xx for a book with the information Tim just gave me... Now, Tim, what does the F stand for...? (i'll still buy the books- in fact, i just got a gift certificate to Borders, today...) But now, i'll be reading knowing more... Tillman, i understand what you're saying, but does Ferrari.com explain things the way Tim just did...? | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 1802 Registered: 6-2001 |
DES- Berlinetta=fixed roof barchetta= no roof at all spider= a roof folds away cabriolet= i think this is because it has a back seat and is a convertible 355 and F355 are the same thing, some people just dont put the F in. the M in 512 M stands for modificada (sp?). | ||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 204 Registered: 10-2002 |
Des is basically harmless and good humoured, though. And Andrew was generous enough to give a patient explanation. He did not seem to mind. | ||
| Tillman Strahan (Tillman)
Member Username: Tillman Post Number: 254 Registered: 11-2001 |
DES, Do yourself, and us, a favor and spend at least a little of your time on Ferrari.com. They have an extensive description of the past and present Ferrari automobiles. Obviously you have internet access and way too much time on your hands, so if you're so passionate, read up on the history. It's bound to do you more good than babbling away on this board. BTW: this is directly from the article -- it answers your first question specifically. "The prototype 360 Barchetta reportedly is based on a regular 360 Spider, from which the folding roof has been removed. The side windows have been replaced by thin strips of transparent plastic, which smoothly flow into the speed domes aft of the interior compartment. The windshield goes without A-pillars (only a thin black rim surrounds it) and has a sculpted shape that extends in front of the passengers." | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 449 Registered: 10-2001 |
I want to see the 360 stradale first ! and a 575 Barchetta . | ||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 196 Registered: 10-2002 |
Andrew, No sarcasm intended. Just a compliment. Happy New Year. | ||
| Andrew (Enzo250gto)
Junior Member Username: Enzo250gto Post Number: 68 Registered: 2-2002 |
Kenneth, I'm not sure what you mean by your post? Is there sarcasim in the excuse me? I don't think you wrote anything that warrants an excuse me. Happy New Year. | ||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 190 Registered: 10-2002 |
Andrew, Are you the guy who runs FerrariForum? In which case, excuse me. | ||
| Andrew (Enzo250gto)
Junior Member Username: Enzo250gto Post Number: 67 Registered: 2-2002 |
Des, While going to an event maybe helpful reading would also be even more so. Take this post for example. If you read the article posted you may understand the difference between Barchetta and Spyder by reading the article which talks about the difference in construction (in a suttle way). Also if you say you like design wouldn't this imply that you would like to study and know the different design elements within different Ferraris. | ||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 186 Registered: 10-2002 |
It is now very clear, Des. But could you explain again? | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 625 Registered: 8-2002 |
"BTW not to be mean but DES how is it that you have 620 post and cannot tell the difference between a Testarossa and a 512BB?" Andrew, i'm what they call 'left-brained'... i'm artistic and i'm more swayed to concern myself with the design of something than with its construction... i like to write and, although articulate, i don't concern myself with the highest standards of correct grammer- rather i'm too in tune with "designing" rather than constructing... i like to draw, however it took years before i would consider the instruction of teachers because i was too entwined with design, rather than construction... genetics is really what it comes down to, but if i explain it, i'll describe it, rather than break it down 'cause i'm into the design of something more than it's make-up. i don't see your question as being mean, i find it rather valid... however, i hope my answer brings a little clarity... | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 624 Registered: 8-2002 |
Andrew, thanks for the links, but you're comparing a Boxer (why ever the hell they call it that) that's 7 years older than me to a Testarossa so new-looking, i would almost mistake it for a 355... (And as far as the 355's go: i have three 1:59 355s: a 355, an F355 and an F355 spider. Why would one be listed as a just a regular 355 and the other be listed as an F355...?) And now, looking at these pictures, i'm just realizing that i had no idea there was ever such thing as a 512 TR... i just thought there were just Testarossas... i didn't know there were different kinds... i thought a Testarossa WAS a different kind... sigh... i know i need to get the books, but i just need to wait a little longer... In fact, maybe i don't... what are the names of some good books that have alot of information in them... Like: Ferraris For Dummies is really something i could use... (Hey, L. Wayne, maybe you should write something like that... ) Since coming here, i've realized that there are so many more Ferraris than i ever imagined... There are times when i almost want to just sit and look at them to learn rather than drive one- (i said almost)... i really need to join FCA and get to some events and speak with owners, this way i can be right there, looking at what they're talking about... | ||
| Andrew (Enzo250gto)
Junior Member Username: Enzo250gto Post Number: 66 Registered: 2-2002 |
BTW not to be mean but DES how is it that you have 620 post and cannot tell the difference between a Testarossa and a 512BB? | ||
| Andrew (Enzo250gto)
Junior Member Username: Enzo250gto Post Number: 65 Registered: 2-2002 |
Des, You have a lot to learn. I suggest you start reading some books and magazines. The M usually means modified. IE 456 GTM the newer 456 that has been slightly modified. Same with the 512M There is no such thing as just a '355' people will say 355 but they are referring to an F355. If you can't tell the difference between a Testarossa and Boxer you need to just look at a photo. The testarossa and 308 are the most recongnizable ferrris. Here is a 512BB http://www.ferrariforum.net/models/view/models.php?modelid=97 here is a testarossa http://www.ferrariforum.net/gallery/search.php?keyword=testarossa&action=search And here are pics of both a 512BB and the TR. Notice the BB DOES NOT have the same side, front, just about everything. http://www.ferrariforum.net/gallery/search.php?keyword=512&action=search | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 620 Registered: 8-2002 |
Wouldn't a topless 360 Modena be a 360 Modena Spider...? i don't understand the names of some of the Ferraris... what exactly is a Barchetta...? There's an F355 in the area that says 'Berlinetta' on it... So Berlinettas and Barchettas are types of models of Ferraris...? And what's the difference between a 355 and an F355...? And why's a convertible 360 referred to as a spider but a convertible Mondial referred to a cabriolet...? i know i should get the books, but what i'd really like to do is go to a FCA event and really chat with some owners, first hand, while looking at some cars... but until then, having an experienced person explain seems like the next best thing to do... (until i can get the books...) Ultimately, i won't hate myself if i can't rebuild an engine like some of you can, but i would like to be able to tell the difference between a Testarossa and 512BB and i'd like to find out what this whole M thing is... and the F thing, too... Ferrari F355, Ferrari F40- what does the F mean...? Same thing with the M: Ferrari 512M, Ferrari 456M... what does it all mean...? | ||
| Racer 001 (Mr_0011)
Member Username: Mr_0011 Post Number: 439 Registered: 3-2002 |
From AutoWeek... http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat_code=carnews&content_code=06590823 |