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Justin Varghese (Justin_v)
New member
Username: Justin_v
Post Number: 16
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 10, 2003 - 3:29 am: | |
For that kinda money I'll buy the new Mercedes S600 with a twinturbo V12 and have enough cash for a 355.
-Justin |
Wade Nunez(FortuneMotors) (308nut)
Junior Member
Username: 308nut
Post Number: 106
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 09, 2003 - 12:51 pm: | |
Warren the information you have gotten is both true and untrue, first of all a New Arnage is not $375k it is $235k- $240k a used Green lable can be had under $100k and a used red lable usually in hte $110-$125 range. The Bently Arnage is like some have said expensive to maintain that is if it needs the maintence. I have sold numbers of Arnages and have never had one I had to sink a dime in for mechanical needs. The Bentley needs it typical service at the recomended intervals however unlike most Ferrari techs the B tech have a check list to do only preventative maintanence on area not needing indepth service. I highly recoment the Red Lable more features and more HP. But if you are price shopping a Green Lable with a few miles on it is your best bet.
Wade
www.fortunemotors.com |
KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member
Username: Kenneth
Post Number: 228
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 09, 2003 - 11:39 am: | |
Sorry. Don't know what had happened to my post. |
Greg Rodgers (Joechristmas)
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Username: Joechristmas
Post Number: 584
Registered: 3-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, January 09, 2003 - 11:24 am: | |
I don't know a lot about Bentleys but we have 2 Rolls Royces. Both are very nice cars and are very reliable. I always prefered Rolls but the they do have things on them that are strange. (suspension, brakes) I wouldn't think he would have to do much beyond regular oil changes and the usual access. items. (alt., compressor, etc.) in the years to come. |
Jeff (Jeff_m)
Junior Member
Username: Jeff_m
Post Number: 52
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 09, 2003 - 11:16 am: | |
I would guess the depreciation is so heavy with these cars because the MSRP is so high that the people buying them new probably are not to concerned with resale and when they want to get the new model, they dump the old. I would say go for it! |
Warren L. (Warren)
Junior Member
Username: Warren
Post Number: 140
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, January 09, 2003 - 9:47 am: | |
Great posts. I'm not talking about a new $300,000 bentley. Rather we are looking into the arnage '99-'01 with the BMW engine going anywhere from 100 - 149. I just came back from Hawaii and on the way back we stopped by Beverly Hills and thats where I pointed a couple out to my dad. He liked them. I can't believe how fast these cars depreciate!!!! It's not like they come out with a new engine with 100+ HP every year. Why do they depreciate so fast, the market for these cars seem pretty good. It's almost impossible to find a private sale.
Anyways, like I said, the car would be driven around 7500-10000 miles a year, that means servicing the car about once a year. So my next question is how much do the 10,000 services run... on the average? AND, how difficult is it to get the oil changed on these machines.
BTW, this would be a second car for my dad. My father rarely splurges on anything... except for my mom, so that is why I am taking a real interest in his bentley interest. AND... he's getting around the age where he won't want to drive for that much longer so.... he might as well enjoy it while he can. I'm so sad.
Who else can give us some good opinions -to buy or not to buy. |
wm hart (Whart)
Member
Username: Whart
Post Number: 662
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 08, 2003 - 2:21 pm: | |
Manhattan Motors in, you guessed it, is, i believe, both a Bentley and Lambo dealer. Guy in Greenwich, Carriage House, has a long history of selling Bentleys and Rolls at fairly competitive prices and has been doing it for many years. I would not buy a brand new one, but might consider a heavily depreciated one. My favs of the more recent cars are the late 80's continental dropheads, which still fetch serious money. I have so far stayed away, only because i could not see using such a car to drive to the city; it would have to be another recreational type vehicle, like the ferrari, which i only use for fun.(And while i can't speak to reliability, per se, i know parts and service costs could be even worse than ferrari:- had a client whose roller literally blew up some years ago, and in the process of sorting out the insurance, got to review the entire service history of the car, a Corniche conv. Everything cost big money on that car, even the wiper blades). |
Terry (Dogue)
Junior Member
Username: Dogue
Post Number: 159
Registered: 9-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 08, 2003 - 1:02 pm: | |
Lamborghini was never part of Ferrari's crew! Lamborghini was a very successful Tractor Manufacturer and loved race cars. He owned a few Ferraris in the sixties and had problems. Ferrari never cared much about road cars or the customers of road cars and did not give him the attention that Lamborghini felt he should have. That is what prompted him to start his own company and compete with Ferrari. The only reason you don't see more Lamborghini cars is that there are that many fewer of them made and even fewer on the road.
To your note that we would all take a Lambo if given to us, well that is not going to happen and I would take an equal value Ferrari over any Lamborghini. |
Kevin Butler (Challenge)
New member
Username: Challenge
Post Number: 48
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 08, 2003 - 12:38 pm: | |
Warren,
I believe that seeing Ferraris and Lamborghinis together in the same showroom is rare not because Lambo does not have a history...but BECAUSE of its history. Senior Lamborghini was one of Ferrari's crew and spun off to make sport cars to compete w/ Enzo, etc, etc. So, I guess competition would be the answer.
But, you're right, Lambo dealerships seem to be even rarer that F-dealers. Despite all our loyalty to F-cars I suspect we'd all take a Lambo if given the opportunity. I know I would. OK, let the flames begin... |
Jeff (Jeff_m)
Junior Member
Username: Jeff_m
Post Number: 51
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 08, 2003 - 12:33 pm: | |
I see plenty 99,00, and 01 Arnages for sale from 100k to 125k with low miles in the DuPont. Not bad since as you say, the depreciation in the first year or two is half. Personally I would rather buy one over a new S500 for close to the same money. |
Chris Parr (Cmparrf40)
Member
Username: Cmparrf40
Post Number: 537
Registered: 3-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 08, 2003 - 12:31 pm: | |
I love an Arnage, I looked hard at one one 2 years ago.
After talking to a friend of mine who sells Bentley's and another friend who owns a large leasing firm, they both talked me out of it.
The dealer said that Bentley's (and Rolls Royces) are the fastest cars you can buy! He explained that a Bentley can go from $200,000 to $0 faster than any car on the planet!
He further added that it is the only car you can pay cash for and still owe more than it is worth at trade in time!
My friend with the leasing company said they had a hard time getting the residual low enough to cover the risk and still call it a lease!
Too bad because a dark grey metallic Red Label Arnage would be fun as hell!
I understand you can not drive any car for free, but losing $3,000 a month in depreciation is not my idea of fun. |
Tim N (Timn88)
Intermediate Member
Username: Timn88
Post Number: 1913
Registered: 6-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 08, 2003 - 12:17 pm: | |
dropping $375k on a sedan is ludicrous. ludicrous probaby drives one, maybe thats where he got his name from. |
Red (Redhead)
Junior Member
Username: Redhead
Post Number: 97
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 08, 2003 - 12:00 pm: | |
Warren--
You got some mis-information. The Bentley Arnage and Arnage T are serviced once a year at 10000 miles. That is Bentleys service schedule. This is not a "regular" oil change at all, as it is a very in depth sevice.
These cars are unreal to drive. Having driven every current Ferrari, and most Bentleys, they are different breeds, but the Bentleys are a very powerful and fast car for there size. I would highly suggest taking a deeper look at these. They are great cars...and the new "T" is mind numbingly fast. |
Tyler (Bahiaau)
Member
Username: Bahiaau
Post Number: 445
Registered: 12-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 08, 2003 - 8:22 am: | |
Warren, I have a client who is a Bentley man(Arnage, Azure, etc.). They are great cars. However, they are not inexpensive to operate. His experiences seem to be hit and miss. He has had some cars that require nothing during his ownership(usually a couple years) and some cars that have been money pits.
If your dad is looking for a more than reasonable degree of reliability and is shopping new Bentleys I suggest he cross shop the Maybach. It appears to be one hell of a car and not terribly overpriced when compared to the B's. |
Omar (Auraraptor)
Junior Member
Username: Auraraptor
Post Number: 163
Registered: 9-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 9:59 pm: | |
you are soooo asking to get flamed by f-car ppl and lambo ppl...this is gonna be the lambo race thread all over |
Warren L. (Warren)
Junior Member
Username: Warren
Post Number: 137
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 9:41 pm: | |
First Question: Does or has anyone ever owned a Bentley? Arnage to be specific? I showed one that was parked on the street to my father and he really liked it. However, he is not one to be patient with a car that will have to be serviced every 5000 miles for a lot of $$$$$ In short, he doesn't want to go through with what I do with my 355. Just wondering what you guys think. Is there a lot of maintenance involved? Is it very expensive to own? Here is what I found out: They need to be serviced at 5000 miles and then at 30000 miles. They have a 3 year warranty, and they depreciate like CRAZY!!! I think 100,000 the first year, 50-60000 the second year and so forth. Why is that?? I refuse to be held responsible for any inconveniences my dad will have to face if I showed him one and he goes out and buys one and its the most terrible experience of his life. He drives about 7500-10000 miles a year.
Second question: Why do a lot of exotic car dealerships sell F- and Bentleys together but its so difficult to find a lambo dealer. With the exception of Fox Valley in Chicago which sells everything. It's almost as if the lambo is not as prestigious as the F- Do you guys know what I mean? a lambo is generally more expensive, more exotic, more eye catching, and yet it doesn't have the history -maybe that's it. I guess it's just like College, there are many good schools, but they need the history in order to solidify their reputation. Then again, maybe F- are just better cars.... any takers? |