| Author | Message | ||
| Tazio Nuvolari (Nuvolari)
Junior Member Username: Nuvolari Post Number: 103 Registered: 9-2002 |
Just a reminder that the group buy is still on and there is 1 week left to get your deposit in. | ||
| Tazio Nuvolari (Nuvolari)
Junior Member Username: Nuvolari Post Number: 97 Registered: 9-2002 |
In response to a pair of e-mails I received, yes these wheels are coming from Europe and NO there are NO DUTIES OR TAXES. All you pay is the $1350 + your shipping which will never exceed $95. | ||
| Tazio Nuvolari (Nuvolari)
Junior Member Username: Nuvolari Post Number: 88 Registered: 9-2002 |
Hi Barney, Here are 2 pictures to show you the difference: These are the 328 Wheels  These are the 308 Wheels (THESE ARE THE ONE'S I'M SELLING)  | ||
| Barney Guzzo (Trinacria)
Junior Member Username: Trinacria Post Number: 74 Registered: 8-2002 |
Tazio Do the wheels look more like the "clean" or "flat" style on the red 328 behind my car? My wheels (the yellow 308) look "deeper" but I like the 328 wheel better. Sorry my wife is blocking the back wheel. (Actually I like the TR wheels next to me)  | ||
| mike 308 (Concorde)
Junior Member Username: Concorde Post Number: 86 Registered: 8-2002 |
Even the SL Comp/Mille Miglia wheels in the picture I posted have the different VISIBLE offset front versus rears. | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Intermediate Member Username: Newman Post Number: 1013 Registered: 12-2001 |
Steve, I believe the different makers of the wheels only differed in the raised ferrari logo or the decal logo on the rim lip. I havent yet seen a QV wheel that didnt differ in spoke offset front to rear regardless of maker. Techno magnesio is another maker of the QV wheel for the factory. You will see the TM cast into the back side of the wheel in a circle I believe. | ||
| Tazio Nuvolari (Nuvolari)
Junior Member Username: Nuvolari Post Number: 87 Registered: 9-2002 |
The deadline for this group buy is Jan 27 This means that if you are interested, you have to get your $200 deposit to me by January 27th (Gilles Villeneuve's Number). If we get our 4 people before then, and you have not yet sent a deposit, the group buy will go ahead without you and we will all get our wheels all the sooner ;) | ||
| Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Intermediate Member Username: 91tr Post Number: 1314 Registered: 1-2001 |
Paul N. -- I recall we discussed that difference (on the rears) before and the concensus was that not all "factory" 308 8x16" were the same. I had a set of Cromodora-made and they matched your "different than the fronts" description but someone said the 308 8x16" Campagnolo's (sp?) match the 308 8x16" reproductions -- can anyone reconfirm or knows the FChat link? | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Intermediate Member Username: Newman Post Number: 1012 Registered: 12-2001 |
Dont want to throw a wrench into anyones plans but the difference in the repops other than material used is the rear rims are not identical to the originals. The fronts are an exact copy. The rears on the original have a deeper center spoke face giving the rim a different look than the almost flush looking front spokes. The repops do not differ in this way. The spokes are recessed the same distance front and rear like the 14's and the TRX's. They compensated for this by making the mount flange on the rear rims thicker to maintain offset or to make the rim fit the wheel well like the original and the bolt holes are machined deeper to retain the factory bolts. This is minor and I knew it before I bought them. For the purist (like me) it might bother you but for me, it was better than 14's and cheaper than factory ones. I plan to sell mine to replace them with the correct ones but not at this very moment. If I come across a pair of rears only, I may just replace them and refinish all 4 so they match. Ill use the repops to hang air hose on in my garage or something. | ||
| Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Intermediate Member Username: 91tr Post Number: 1313 Registered: 1-2001 |
Jim E -- Another (minor) difference is that the 308 wheels have a projecting center area for the wheel cap while the 328-non-abs do not -- this is why I'm still not yet convinced that 328-non-abs wheels can be used without some modification on a 308 chassis (although I fully accept Rob's report that a 308 wheel could fit a 328-non-abs chassis as-is). | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Intermediate Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 1146 Registered: 7-2001 |
I didn't mean to scare anyone away, I just knew something was different about those wheels. Sometimes I need a life! :-) | ||
| Tazio Nuvolari (Nuvolari)
Junior Member Username: Nuvolari Post Number: 86 Registered: 9-2002 |
Jim, Your observation is very astute however you are looking at the wrong wheels. You have a 328 with 16" wheels whose bolts are placed differently than the 308 wheels (note the bolt pattern and offset is the same on both wheels). On 16" 308 wheels the bolts are in a different place than the wheels on your car. Let's not scare away people that are sitting a little on the fence on this one. | ||
| Tillman Strahan (Tillman)
Member Username: Tillman Post Number: 313 Registered: 11-2001 |
Jim, I believe the 328 and 308 16" wheels are not the same. | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Intermediate Member Username: Newman Post Number: 1009 Registered: 12-2001 |
Thats how the factory 16's look. I dont know what wheels you have but even my 14's have the bump out around the wheel bolts. | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Intermediate Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 1145 Registered: 7-2001 |
I finally figured out what is different about Tazio's wheels from the factory wheels. While backing out this morning, I noticed that the lug nuts on my wheels are set in the 'corners' of the pentagram in the center of the wheels. Tazio's lugs are on the 'sides' of it, causing the little bump in the design around the lug nut. Does this make sense to anyone but me? | ||
| Tazio Nuvolari (Nuvolari)
Junior Member Username: Nuvolari Post Number: 85 Registered: 9-2002 |
A number of people wanted to know if I have already ordered the wheels. The order goes in when the 4 people are confirmed. The sooner, everyone acts, the sooner we all get our wheels. | ||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 342 Registered: 5-2002 |
Mike, those are milli miglia MM II. You can also but them at tirerack in 17" or 18". I had them on my car a couple years ago, 18X8 front, 18x9 rear. They're about 200 each, but require an adapter, I had mine made for 75 each I think, hub-centric, then everything works out perfect. SL comp specail orders them with the correct bolt pattern and offset. If you need details on how to do it, shoot me an e-mail, I don't want to hijack the thread any more. | ||
| Tazio Nuvolari (Nuvolari)
Junior Member Username: Nuvolari Post Number: 84 Registered: 9-2002 |
Just a quick re-post of the wheels that are ACTUALLY being sold as part of this group buy. The photo below shows the 16" Ferrari alloy repro wheels that I am offering for $1350 including, centre logo caps, rim decals, and valve stems. This is a very large savings to the closest competitor. Much clearer details are at the bottom of this page in the original post.  | ||
| mike 308 (Concorde)
Junior Member Username: Concorde Post Number: 85 Registered: 8-2002 |
What do you think of these 550M style wheels on a 308? They're from SL Comp in Atlanta, but the wheels are Italian made. I'd like a group buy on these.  | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 737 Registered: 4-2002 |
The repro wheels are aluminum, whereas your TRXs may be magnesium. If so, that alone would be a few pounds. | ||
| Barney Guzzo (Trinacria)
Junior Member Username: Trinacria Post Number: 72 Registered: 8-2002 |
Anyone know the weight of the repro wheels vs the weight of the TRX's? | ||
| Robert W. Garven Jr. (Robertgarven)
Junior Member Username: Robertgarven Post Number: 96 Registered: 2-2002 |
Just an aside here. Most people dont belive me but it is true. The 16" wheels were an option on the Euro 308 gt4 in the 79 parts book, I am not sure when they became available, so it is not really that improper (religiouly speaking, remeber I am one of those dreaded preservationist!) for the gt4 to sport them Tazio what a god! it is said that he would flail his car with a leather strap to make it go faster!! | ||
| Tazio Nuvolari (Nuvolari)
Junior Member Username: Nuvolari Post Number: 83 Registered: 9-2002 |
Free shipping to the States is nice however let's not forget import duties and taxes when you get the wheels (My deal is exempt of such hassles). Rob, you are correct. There are some variations in the wheels supplied by Ferrari. From my understanding the 16" wheels Ferrari used were made by Campagnolo, Cromodora and (maybe) Speedline (the 328 16" were Speedline). The Cromodora wheels had raised lettering with the word 'Ferrari' & the rim size. The Campagnolo wheels carried the word 'Ferrari' in decal form allong with the word 'Campagnolo'. My research does not point to any specific years using specific wheels. It appears as though the people at Ferrari used whatever was handy the week the car was produced. | ||
| Robert W. Garven Jr. (Robertgarven)
Junior Member Username: Robertgarven Post Number: 95 Registered: 2-2002 |
Sounds like a good deal to me. I recently bought a nice set of Factory 16" wheels, if I hadn't I would probably join in... $2600 wheels $600 painting $? tires You can't be cheap though and have a Ferrari! There is a small difference in some of the factory supplied wheels. the wheels i bought are made by Cromodora and have a raised lettering that says Ferrari 8x16" etc although the campy supplied wheels probably came with decal Rob 3 sets of wheel and counting! | ||
| dan preston (Cobaltdan)
New member Username: Cobaltdan Post Number: 13 Registered: 12-2002 |
hi rob, i am interested. but note that superformance includes free shipping to the states (i received a quote last week). please contact me, i have a few questions. sincerely, dan preston [email protected] | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Intermediate Member Username: Newman Post Number: 1001 Registered: 12-2001 |
Why put 308 wheels on a 328? I considered putting 328 rims on my 308 but felt they didnt suit the car, kind of figured it worked both ways. | ||
| Tazio Nuvolari (Nuvolari)
Junior Member Username: Nuvolari Post Number: 82 Registered: 9-2002 |
I looked into the fittment of these wheels to the 328 and I was told that they do fit on the non ABS cars (A friend of mine in England put a set on his 328). Please remember that the wheel style matches that of the 308 16" wheel which looked different to the 16" wheel that came on the 328. Let's not forget that these wheels also fit on the 308 GT4 and really give that car a nice look once installed. | ||
| stu cordova (Balataboy)
Member Username: Balataboy Post Number: 355 Registered: 4-2001 |
Hey Greg - That was a "win-win" - glad you enjoy them. But I thought you sold that car??? | ||
| Tazio Nuvolari (Nuvolari)
Junior Member Username: Nuvolari Post Number: 81 Registered: 9-2002 |
No boats from Japan on this one. As soon as 4 people are confirmed and the money is in, the wheels (no pun intended) will be put in motion to get these to me ASAP and they will ship from me within 48 hours from when I get them. I have factored in a healthy margin for shipping so that I am not placing the wheels on a donkey's back to save a few bucks while upsetting the group buy participants. Believe me, I want my wheels ASAP and will do my best to get them here fast. One adjustment to the group buy : If you want in, I will arrange for receipt of a $200 non-refundable deposit to guarantee your interest. Once 4 people have left their deposit, I will then contact the 4 people for the balance and place the order within 24 hours of receiving everyone's money. This adjustment leaves the participants 'out of pocket' for the smallest amount of time while guaranteeing their interest and place on the list. | ||
| Randy (Schatten)
Member Username: Schatten Post Number: 554 Registered: 4-2001 |
I'll say this, I've organized and participated in more than a few dozen group buys on other boards. Some run very smoothly, and some are very rough. Usually a group buy is depicted as a product being sold for a discount. For that discount, you pay with time time and more time and maybe another delay. It happens, but that's the benefit of the group buy. When I host group buys and import parts from Japan, things are bulked into a container and shipped by boat. I get the container between 2 and 3 months later, sometimes 4 or 5 depending on the customs workers going on strike like they did a few months ago. Sometimes the organizer has control and other times he or she does not. I would not judge one group buy's experience with this one. Tazio's been on here a while and is offering a good deal on some repro wheels. | ||
| Greg Rodgers (Joechristmas)
Member Username: Joechristmas Post Number: 589 Registered: 3-2001 |
I bought the wheels that used to belong to Stu and they are very nice. Thanks Again Stu. They are quiet, handle nicely, and ride well. I am very pleased. | ||
| Tazio Nuvolari (Nuvolari)
Junior Member Username: Nuvolari Post Number: 80 Registered: 9-2002 |
I sympathise with those involved in the ES Bushings Group Buy situation. Group buys are not always perfect and, at times, there are delays. I have personally organized and have been involved with several group buys with great success in all of them so please do not be put off by one unfortunate situation. Given the straightforward nature of this deal (only 4 people all ordering the exact same thing), I do not envision any problems. I have received a few e-mails aking if I can ship two sets together so that 2 people can save a little on shipping. In this particular case, shipping 2 individaul sets is cheaper than shipping one large box containing 2 sets to 1 address. This has to do with the dimensional weight restrctions of FedEx and the penalties for exceeding this weight. What I am trying to do is keep the shipping as cheap as possible while maintaining quality. As mentionned in the original post, the max price is $95 for shipping however expect it to be less than that. | ||
| Paul (Pcelenta)
Member Username: Pcelenta Post Number: 259 Registered: 7-2002 |
I agree with Mitch...was in on the ES bushing group buy and it was/is a disaster... $1350 is a good price..I've considered these repops but was advised that they weigh a lot more than factory | ||
| Frank Foster (Sparta49)
Member Username: Sparta49 Post Number: 455 Registered: 3-2001 |
Stu, I have the repro. wheels on my 84 308 (PO replced originals with HRE) and am very pleased. I purchased mine from GT CAR PARTS for $1600.00 for the set including decals and center caps. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 3155 Registered: 12-2000 |
I can personally recomend Robert form a previous transaction, he's very responsive and good to do business with. | ||
| Mitchell Le (Yelcab1)
Member Username: Yelcab1 Post Number: 487 Registered: 11-2001 |
I am not slamming anybody !!! My only experience with a group buy (ES bushings) has been ... much less than perfect to say the least. I'll pass. | ||
| Tazio Nuvolari (Nuvolari)
Junior Member Username: Nuvolari Post Number: 79 Registered: 9-2002 |
Allow me to answer some of the questions one at a time: Steve M: I am not enough of an authority on the 308 / 328 wheel differences to post proper first hand information. I can only go on what I have been told which is that the non ABS wheels are fully interchangeable. Rob Lay: I will try to find out about fittment to the 328 however only 16" wheels are avaialble. There are no 17" Repros. Barney G: I understand your cost comment however please be sure that you are comparing apples with apples. There are many corporations producing wheels that fit the 308 for varying costs. I am trying to sell one very specific and very popular wheel. I am certain that $2000 + Spacers for 360 wheels referrs to used units which, a worth only a fraction of new ones. A minimum savings of $500 from the nearest competitor is a very nice number and will go a long way towards paying for rubber. Stu C: Your experience with these wheels perplexes me. I have personally spoken to over a dozen people who own these wheels and no one has had any negative comments on them. The rim manufacturer assurs me that they balance perfect. To dig a little deeper, I contacted one of the tire engineers I do work with along with my local tire dealer. They both independantly gave me the same answer. They believe that a vibration at both low and high speeds is due to tire irregularities (perhaps a fractionally separated casing). Michelin is not at all immmune to such problems and my tire guy recommended that you take the problem up with Michelin. If it were a rim problem, the vibration should appear and disappear and varying road speeds. A rim related vibration that takes place at most or all road speeds would be due to a massive bend or twist that would easily be visible to the naked eye. | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 998 Registered: 12-2001 |
I balanced my repops using the lead stick-on mag weights. I placed them on the edge of the rims rather than trying to hide them inboard of the spokes and I have no vibrations up to 210kph. I havent gone faster than that yet becasue my tires are crap (worn out and dry cracked). Maybe I have a death wish going that fast with junk tires but they are smooth. | ||
| stu cordova (Balataboy)
Member Username: Balataboy Post Number: 352 Registered: 4-2001 |
My experience; I bought these exact same 16" wheels from Superformance about a year ago when I decided to replace my original Euro factory wheels (390mm). I have to say that I am disapointed with the quality of the non-factory wheel. Yes, they looks just fine, but the balance of the wheel is no where near that of the original. My original factory wheels, even with the old terrible TRX tires, were as smooth as silk - at ALL speeds. But since mounting the new 16" wheels - with Michelin Pilots, no less - I have vibrations that are horrible - at both low and high speeds! I have gone to a couple of different stores to try and have them balanced, but no one can correct the vibration. I am convinced it's poor wheel quality that is causing the problem. Having said that, I am still glad I made the switch - only because I wanted to get off the TRX tire - but I do miss the smothness of the old factory wheel (90MPH and not even the slightest shake/vibration - however, not any more  ). Bottom line, in my opinion, is only a factory wheel will give you TRUE "factory" quality. | ||
| Barney Guzzo (Trinacria)
Junior Member Username: Trinacria Post Number: 64 Registered: 8-2002 |
I have been looking at wheels to replace my TRX rims for weeks. I have been shopping locally and online. To be quite honest, even at $1350 + $100, the price is still a little high. You still have to buy tires. There are literally a hundred 16" wheels by various manufacturers that fit on the 308 and look really nice for $500 to $800 per set of four or $1000 to $1400 with tires included mounted and balanced. For $2000 plus a few dollars in adapters I can put 360 wheels with tires on my car. Tazio, I really appreciate the effort and I am still interested, but perhaps if we could get more than 4 people your contact could negotiate a better price. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 3151 Registered: 12-2000 |
Robert, do you think your contact at the company could answer this question. Thanks, I may be interested in either the 16" for track days or the 17" would be tempting too. | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Intermediate Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 1123 Registered: 7-2001 |
Maybe we should just get a 308 at one of our events and see if their wheel will fit on our cars? | ||
| Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Intermediate Member Username: 91tr Post Number: 1301 Registered: 1-2001 |
Rob -- The only open issue on the 308 vs 328-non-abs wheel compatibility is in the center hub area (but it's unclear to me if it's a center hub diameter difference or something to do with clearance for the grease cap shape/design of the hub). The hearsay I'll report is that to put 328-non-abs wheels on a 308 hub some machining is required in the wheel center hub area (I've never heard of anyone putting 308 wheels on a 328 so don't know if that direction would be more compatible). If you've got a wheel off your 328 sometime please post the center hub measurement (and maybe a jpeg?). | ||
| V.Z. (Ama328)
Junior Member Username: Ama328 Post Number: 69 Registered: 11-2002 |
any change of enuf interest out there to get a group order together for some 328 wheels? I'm interested in getting some 17" for late 328(1989), which do have ABS on them. Stock wheels for 328 are 16". Or, if anyone knows of any 17" currently available, pls post a notice w/details. thx. | ||
| Tazio Nuvolari (Nuvolari)
Junior Member Username: Nuvolari Post Number: 78 Registered: 9-2002 |
From my understanding the bolt pattern and offset of the wheels is the same between the 308 & 328. The only difference being the 1989 car that had ABS. The wheels for that car are totally different. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 3149 Registered: 12-2000 |
I assume the offset and bolt pattern are the same between the 308 and 328's? I guess the '89 would be the only one different? | ||
| Tazio Nuvolari (Nuvolari)
Junior Member Username: Nuvolari Post Number: 77 Registered: 9-2002 |
I did forget to give a photo credit of Paul Newman's 308. It is indeed a beautiful car and the moment I saw his wheels I knew I had to have them. | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Member Username: Newman Post Number: 994 Registered: 12-2001 |
What a beautiful 308. | ||
| Tazio Nuvolari (Nuvolari)
Junior Member Username: Nuvolari Post Number: 75 Registered: 9-2002 |
Hi All, I am arranging a group buy on 16” wheels that fit all variations of the Ferrari 308. To make this post a little easier to read, I’ll sub-divide the information in sub-sections: The Wheels These are reproduction 16” wheels. They are virtually indistinguishable from the original wheels that came from the factory on the 308. I have contacted the company in Europe that has produced these wheels and they outlined that the process used to make these wheels is superior to that used by Ferrari; yielding a much stronger and truer wheel. Below is a picture of the exact wheels I am selling:  I have seen them in person and they are of far superior quality to the factory wheel. What You Get 4 – 16” Repro 308 Wheels (2 - 7” Fronts , 2 - 8” rears) 4 – Center Caps (these are the ones you see on E-bay for $100+) 4 – Valve Stems 4 – Wheel decals (these copy the ones used on the original wheels) Comparative Price Shopping These exact wheels are available from several retailers around the world. For reasons of comparsion these are the prices from two of the bigger internet retailers (Currency conversions are as close as I can get). Superformance: 985 British pounds = $1590 USD + Shipping from Britain + Taxes + Duties (once totaled, you are over $2000 Easy) Ferrari Parts Exchange: $1,850 USD + Shipping (Depending where in the US, normally over $100 / set) HOW MUCH ALREADY? $1350 USD + Shipping (4 people are required to get this price) -I will charge shipping at cost and no location in the Continental US will exceed $95 USD. -Shipping will take place from Buffalo New York or Toronto Canada (whichever is better) and there are NO DUTIES OR TAXES of any kind. About me: I own and operate a small auto parts business that specializes in mail order. I am a Ferrari nut and have been around Ferrari Chat for several months now. I just bought a 308 and want these wheels for it. My company and shipping contacts allow me to organize this deal so I am interested in sharing the discounts with a few Ferrari Chatters. I have sold many things on E-bay and my feedback is perfect. I welcome any opportunity to prove that this sale is in no way fraudulent and I encourage talking on the phone with anyone who is interested to be certain that this sale is totally legitimate. To Order: If you are interested or have questions, E-mail me at [email protected] . I always do my best to answer e-mails in 24 hours or less. Payment for the wheels is up front and I will quote you a fixed shipping price depending on your location (Continental US and Canada only please). Once 4 people are confirmed, I will confirm my order in Europe and the wheels should ship within one week of that time to me. I will keep all 4 people updated and will ship via FedEx Ground (with a tracking number) within 2 days of receiving the wheels. If you are not interested yourself, please tell a friend. Thank you for reading. |