| Author | Message | ||
| Al LaPeter (Lapeter)
New member Username: Lapeter Post Number: 28 Registered: 6-2002 |
I emailed the seller and he emailed back that the sale was a mistake. That's good enough for me. I may be in the minority, but I have dealt with a lot of great car dealers over the years. High on my list of good dealer brands are Ferrari, BMW, Porsche, MBz and Rolls Royce-Bentley dealerships. I must be lucky I guess!If you need a name let me know.I always work with the sales manager or owner- I think that helps. | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Intermediate Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 1161 Registered: 7-2001 |
This is too funny. The guy that 'bought' the car the first time also bought an NSX from a dealer in Houston. I wonder if the same guy owns both dealers and has son that's in college 'buy' his cars. | ||
| Bruno (Originalsinner)
Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 894 Registered: 5-2002 |
Playing the odds.I havent met an honest one yet.out of hundreds.So if I met an honest scumbag car dealer today it would be number 1. Thats about 700 to 1 odds. No thanks. Call it dealer profiling if you like.Call me an actuary. The facts are the facts.Hey mayabe it's just me. No wait every one I ever met or talked to my entire life has had similar experiences. They have to lie to make that commission check.What a bad system. Thank God I got a fleet account with my company as I buy 10-20 vehicles a year. | ||
| stu cordova (Balataboy)
Member Username: Balataboy Post Number: 363 Registered: 4-2001 |
It's a shame that EBAY can't be trusted as a reliable source for buying a car. I bought my Ferrari through them, but not after a lot of research about the dealer selling the car. Guess it all comes down to doing your due dilgence before buying. BTW...I don't understand how someone can make such an idiotic generalization as "I hate all car dealers" or make a ridiculous assumption that they all "refuse to be honest"? How do you know? Have you actually met every single one of them? I'm sorry, I don't remember meeting you. Oh well.... | ||
| Bruno (Originalsinner)
Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 887 Registered: 5-2002 |
I emailed an offer for the car when this first started.it went through.No response. | ||
| Richard Gilmore (Astuteinv)
New member Username: Astuteinv Post Number: 3 Registered: 1-2003 |
I emailed the buyer to ask him why the car was relisted To member: supermarks >From member: hitthebid1 -------------------- Why is the 355 you bought relisted? I thought you got a great deal! It kicked back to me! Unknown person then posted positive feedback!!Probably some student lackie for the scumbag dealer. The original message was received at Tue, 14 Jan 2003 18:33:09 -0800 from cellphone.sjc.ebay.com [10.6.60.41] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <[email protected]> (reason: 550 RCPT TO:<[email protected]> User unknown) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to deimos.email.arizona.edu.: >>> DATA <<<> User unknown | ||
| Greg (Greg512tr)
Junior Member Username: Greg512tr Post Number: 67 Registered: 2-2002 |
I also had reported it to e-bay. The response is listed below. Doubt if they do anything. Lets have a write in campaign to e-bay and have everybody report this to safe harbor just out of priniciple! Greg Hello, I have investigated your report regarding this seller, and can understand how this would be troublesome. Please be assured, if a violation of eBay policy has occurred, we will take the appropriate action in accordance with our site policies. Such action may include issuing a warning, temporary suspension, indefinite suspension or terminating the membership. Due to eBay's Privacy policy we are unable to provide information regarding the details of another user's account. We are equally concerned about violations on the site, and will thoroughly investigate each report we receive. However, the details of our actions cannot be disclosed with third party members. Please remember that this is for the protection of all eBay users. We appreciate your assistance in keeping eBay a fun and safe place to trade. Regards, Kalten eBay Motors Trust and Safety Department ______________________________ eBay Your Personal Trading Community (tm) | ||
| Bruno (Originalsinner)
Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 884 Registered: 5-2002 |
Thats it 80. I thought it was 40 to list and a % of selling price if sold. I dont know. I never listed anything on ebay. But 80 bucks sounds light.A great deal for a dealer for sure. | ||
| M Grande (Grande)
Junior Member Username: Grande Post Number: 70 Registered: 12-2001 |
Cars on ebay are flat fee....$40 to insert, $40 if it sells, plus a few bucks for reserve auctions, etc.....so he bought some good feedback for $80ish. | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 590 Registered: 5-2002 |
Bruno is right! There is more dignity in buying a can of beans at the grocery store than there is in buying a new or used car. | ||
| Bruno (Originalsinner)
Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 878 Registered: 5-2002 |
He's got to pay the selling fee's to ebay to do that? What does that work out to on to pof the listing fee? I hate all car dealers.No exceptions.I dont have a good thing to say about them. They just refuse to be honest. I dont think they could tell a story to anyone (having nothing to do with cars.Lets say football) and have to mix in some lies and bs. | ||
| j scott leonard (Jscott)
Member Username: Jscott Post Number: 262 Registered: 1-2002 |
Shouldn't/doesn't ebay police this kind of garbage? | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 3610 Registered: 5-2001 |
I sent this to Safe Harbor at eBay: This seller has offered a car for sale a few days ago and had a buy it now price which was met some 2 h later. This is the link to the first offering: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6212&item=2400101776 The seller claims he had a smooth transaction with the buyer yet the seller relists the same item again for now a much higher buy it now price. Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6212&item=2400267958 The buyer is clearly the seller since this car has never moved of his lot. If the transaction fell through I will be more than happy to buy the offered product instead of the buyer at $5,000 over the buyers price. This jacks up the feedback rating of a buyer and seller without true transactions and gives false impressions to legit buyers/sellers. | ||
| 512Guy (512tr1994)
New member Username: 512tr1994 Post Number: 34 Registered: 6-2002 |
Dan: You're right, it's a "FARRERI" not a "FERRARI". It's a clone....hee, hee... So it's not the same car, my mistake...but geez it looks sooooooo similar to the one that they sold for $55k....LOL | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Junior Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 191 Registered: 9-2002 |
512guy: Did you notice the 'Farreri' in his listing? LOL... --Dan | ||
| RyanK (Ryanab)
Junior Member Username: Ryanab Post Number: 237 Registered: 3-2002 |
Is this dude affiliated with THE NEW AUTO TOY STORE??? LOL | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 378 Registered: 10-2001 |
E-Bay is the best place for a shady car dealer to bring tons of traffic to his business for pennys on the dollar. Look how easy it is... list a 355 for $55k and you have tons of people coming to look at your web site. There is no better advertising in the world. (now you might not be able to fool F-chat guys, but there are a lot of other buyers out there ) | ||
| 512Guy (512tr1994)
New member Username: 512tr1994 Post Number: 33 Registered: 6-2002 |
SAME CAR, DIFFERENT PRICE, ENOUGH SAID http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6212&item=2400267958 | ||
| Mark Lambert (Mlambert890)
New member Username: Mlambert890 Post Number: 41 Registered: 4-2002 |
The feedback looks pretty legit to me, but I think a lot of their cars probably have stories. Im figuring that the VIN typo gets you to give them a call and once they've got you on the line they can prep you for what you may see on Carfax. It would certainly be possible to get a good deal from this type of dealer, but I think it's fair to say that an isolated sale or two under these circumstances in no way indicates anything about market conditions. There are always fire sales of "rough" vehicles, but 99% of the 355 buyers are going to be demanding pristine examples. Anyone thinking this sale was an indicator that their $50k mint late model 355 is right around the corner is going to be disappointed. | ||
| M Grande (Grande)
Junior Member Username: Grande Post Number: 67 Registered: 12-2001 |
and he bought himself some good feedback to boot! What a scam. Mike | ||
| Mark Lambert (Mlambert890)
New member Username: Mlambert890 Post Number: 40 Registered: 4-2002 |
The seller is a used car dealer. They have a website and have a bunch of cars in inventory. Most of their stuff seems priced similarly low and, oddly enough, most of the VINs posted have typos. http://www.benttreesports.com/ | ||
| Mike Fisher (Mikef)
Junior Member Username: Mikef Post Number: 152 Registered: 11-2001 |
Hmmmmm.......The car has been relisted by the same seller with a starting bid of $55,000 and Buy it now for $93,900. Just check out the sellers other auctions. | ||
| Eric Vartanian (Evartanian)
Junior Member Username: Evartanian Post Number: 80 Registered: 3-2002 |
Anyone else notice the speedo is showing 12mph. I doubt they took that picture while the car was just slowly rolling along. Just kinda wierd, dunno if it means much. Eric | ||
| M Grande (Grande)
Junior Member Username: Grande Post Number: 65 Registered: 12-2001 |
Speculating and second guessing is half the fun  | ||
| Bruno (Originalsinner)
Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 877 Registered: 5-2002 |
I say he just needed cash fast. I am thinking of offering the buyer 70k for it. Cant hurt. | ||
| Jeffrey Davison (Jeffdavison)
New member Username: Jeffdavison Post Number: 44 Registered: 7-2002 |
Why doesn't someone just email the buyer and the bidder to find out the details instead of speculating and 2nd guessing? Jeff | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 3596 Registered: 5-2001 |
Why would they have sold the car that cheap if they could have sold it for $ 75,000 just as fast? The bidder is probably the seller under different ID: They wanted to end the auction quick. Or they really input the info wrong and somebody bid it and you will see negative feedback soon on the seller since he will not go through with the auction. PALEEZ | ||
| M Grande (Grande)
Junior Member Username: Grande Post Number: 64 Registered: 12-2001 |
Here's the carfax...nothing serious, mileage is a little low for the first two years ;) but other than that...... Vehicle Snapshot Vehicle History Checklist Vehicle 1997 Ferrari F355 Spider VIN ZFFXR48A8V0108707 Body Style 2 Door Convertible 2-s Country of Manufacture Italy Review the Vehicle History Records below for details on the following potential problem areas with this vehicle: Potential Problem Areas Records Found? Lemon? No Odometer Irregularities? No Major Damage? No High-Use or Lease? No Emission Problems? Yes Safety Problems? No Stolen Vehicle? No Other History? No Vehicle History Records Powered by AutoCheck We have searched the Experian Automotive National Vehicle Database of insurance, DMV, and auto auction information and found the following 10 records for this 1997 FERRARI F355 SPIDER. Note the highlighted rows for potential issues that could affect the value of this vehicle. Date Location Mileage Description 1997-07-25 los angeles, CA dmv transaction 1999-04-13 houston, TX 717 passed emission inspection 1999-05-12 CA dmv transaction 1999-05-26 dallas, TX registration event/renewal 1999-06-08 dallas, TX 725 title 2000-03-02 plano, TX 9763 title 2000-05-01 plano, TX registration event/renewal 2000-08-21 richardson, TX 12029 passed emission inspection 2002-07-15 richardson, TX 14827 passed emission inspection 2002-07-15 richardson, TX emission inspection Glossary of Descriptions Found for This Vehicle (full glossary) Description Full Definition Passed Emission Inspection Vehicle passed the state emission inspection. Renewal Vehicle had registration renewal event reported by state DMV. Title Vehicle had title registration event reported by state DMV. Emission Inspection Emission inspection data is unknown. Consumer Guide(R) Vehicle History Report Highlights from our Editor's Review of the 1997 Ferrari F355 SAt 02:37 PM 01/12/03 -0500, you wrote: ZFFXR48A8V0108707 | ||
| SRA (Sranderson)
New member Username: Sranderson Post Number: 39 Registered: 11-2002 |
The VIN# is listed there. Who has access to CarFax | ||
| BJ (Bjkim)
New member Username: Bjkim Post Number: 37 Registered: 10-2002 |
maybe the seller got an good offer from someone, and end the auction earlier. I don't think that one can buy any F355s in that price range unless car has salvage title or stolen. | ||
| joe saldana (Ironjoe)
Junior Member Username: Ironjoe Post Number: 143 Registered: 12-2001 |
fly there check it out,3 days is a long time to do any kind of flights, or leakdowns,water-logs,structural integrity.... Id buy this ride after inspection.... | ||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 341 Registered: 5-2002 |
The vehicle could have been totaled and still have a clean title. It only gets a salvage title if the insurance company takes possession of it. You have the option to keep the car, they just deduct the salvage value from your check. You can then repair or sell the car and it would not get a salvage title. I�ve had friends 2 contacted buy someone who saw their vehicle the tow yard and called to arrange to buy the vehicle for X dollars over the buy back price. I have to believe it is quite common. | ||
| Norman Yung (Storminnormin)
New member Username: Storminnormin Post Number: 34 Registered: 7-2002 |
I probably wouldn't use this sale as guide for 355 spider market prices. The price is way low. Wouldn't be surprised if there is a story behind it. | ||
| Bruno (Originalsinner)
Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 873 Registered: 5-2002 |
As I have been saying. Great coupe for 70k. Oh yes. 355's are dropping like rocks. regardless of title ,flood,maintenance,etc.Car is still great buy at that price. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 302 Registered: 10-2002 |
Prices are falling. In today's NYT: New 360 Coupe 155, New 360 Spyder 175, several 575M's for sale, several 550 Barchetta's for sale and an Enzo with 600 miles for sale from a dealer... | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Member Username: Doody Post Number: 677 Registered: 11-2001 |
caveat emptor. doody. | ||
| ty (360mode)
Junior Member Username: 360mode Post Number: 89 Registered: 9-2002 |
also, just b/c it doesnt have a salvage title does not mean it has not been flooded, totalled, etc. ie, if the person who owned it did not have insurance or did not claim it on their insurance,it would not ever be listed as salvaged. you would be surprised how many people with exotics don't have ins, or have other reasons for not wanting to file a claim. | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
Member Username: Bobd Post Number: 926 Registered: 3-2001 |
$56,900 was the "Buy it Now" price??? Something is wrong here. | ||
| Craig Dewey (Craigfl)
Member Username: Craigfl Post Number: 522 Registered: 1-2001 |
I always like it when they say "clear title" because all it means is that it has no liens... It could be salvage, flood, parts, etc... but, it could still be a good driver. | ||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Junior Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 244 Registered: 10-2002 |
The sales talk says that it is in "mint condition". But that give-away price! | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1079 Registered: 8-2002 |
Words to live by: You get what you pay for. | ||
| stu cordova (Balataboy)
Member Username: Balataboy Post Number: 359 Registered: 4-2001 |
56k is unreal!! Afraid to think about what this make my 308 worth? | ||
| Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
Junior Member Username: Jordan747_400 Post Number: 143 Registered: 12-2002 |
Maybe the seller meant 156k instead of 56k. Although 156 is very high for a 355 spider. Ive never even seen a Berlinetta go that low. Man the 355 is beautiful though...perfectly proportioned! One of the most asthetically pleasing F-cars in my opinion | ||
| M Grande (Grande)
Junior Member Username: Grande Post Number: 63 Registered: 12-2001 |
Seems like one of those "too good to be true"... Mike | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 556 Registered: 11-2002 |
Now I know what I want to pay. | ||
| Ron Dallas (328infoseeker)
Junior Member Username: 328infoseeker Post Number: 129 Registered: 12-2000 |
Surprised if it does'nt have a salveged title. | ||
| Jeffrey Davison (Jeffdavison)
New member Username: Jeffdavison Post Number: 43 Registered: 7-2002 |
Either the buyer got a great deal (and brought the market value of 355's down) or he's just bout a money pit. Thoughts? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6212&item=2400101776 Jeff Davison |