| Author | Message | ||
| Dr. J C928 (Attitude928)
New member Username: Attitude928 Post Number: 16 Registered: 11-2002 |
According to Pete Lyons' "Complete Book of Lamborghini," Trefor Thomas, President of the former Lamborghini Cars of NA, said that the Dino 308 GT4 design was based on the first Urraco prototype. The latter was designed by Bertone's Marcello Gandini, the "King of the Wedge." His wedges included the Miura, Lancia Stratos, Fiat X1/9, Maserati Khamsin, Urraco, Countach, Cizeta Moroder V-16, Diablo, Bugatti EB110, and others. They all share the sense of drama and aggression. The belt-driven Urraco P250 was a dog, but the improved chain-driven P300 seems well worth the trip. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1248 Registered: 8-2002 |
i mean, it's still a Lamborghini, so hell yes, i'd take it, in a millisecond, no second thoughts, no questions asked... It just looks, um... different... | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 288 Registered: 6-2002 |
Ive seen both those cars, the yellow one was at Shelton Ferrari in Ft Lauderdale. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 3642 Registered: 5-2001 |
It is the full sponsoring package for a french watch manufacturer. Could be Swiss actually. They make these funky watches, so the car is all funky. Sorry I can not get these pictures bigger:   | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1241 Registered: 8-2002 |
You're gonna make me say it...? Aw, man... You know, the 'N' word... Where they don't make right turns, you know...? | ||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 281 Registered: 10-2002 |
No, Des, I do not know what you mean. Please be more specific (or crude).  | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1238 Registered: 8-2002 |
i agree with Kenneth, the blue one looks like it belongs on "the oval track", if you know what i mean... | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1100 Registered: 2-2001 |
I don't like that look. Ernesto | ||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 279 Registered: 10-2002 |
I have some reservations about the drawings on the blue car alright. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 3641 Registered: 5-2001 |
These two cars are from a friend. Tell me you don't like that look. Both of them are GTR race cars. The yellow one caught fire a few months back and is being restored.  | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1232 Registered: 8-2002 |
Sorry, i couldn't help it... everyone else is doing it...  | ||
| Mark Lambert (Mlambert890)
New member Username: Mlambert890 Post Number: 42 Registered: 4-2002 |
I don't really see that similarity either. Also, I think that angle isn't the best for comparison. Looking at them from all angles, the two cars are really only similar in the way that any two door wedges would be similar. For great photos of the LP5000 go to the official Lambo site... http://www.lambocars.com/framed/countach/lp5000i.htm Speaking artistically, a huge difference in the two designs is that the Lambo integrates curves into the wedge. That creates a significantly different profile. | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Member Username: Jay Post Number: 968 Registered: 10-2001 |
Douglas, yes the yellow one is mine (in the garage). I also have the same rims for my car as the one in the first picture. Allan, I see alot in common with the LP400 (besides the color), look at the lines, the wedge shape, the ass end of the car, the sweep of the rear. It's Just the Lambo is alot lower and more drastic in its angles, I guess more stylistically refined. I guess you didn't do well in art class? | ||
| Douglas A Hunt (Boxercrazy)
New member Username: Boxercrazy Post Number: 27 Registered: 11-2002 |
yep,the lp400 is by far the sweetest of the countachs' but as lambo's go ive always been a muira man...jay,that yellow pic you posted,it's not yours?.i thought your gt4 was yellow?anyway,i like the yellow gt4's the best,black ones are great too!!theres a funky bluegreen one on e-bay right now,lots of scrapes and such.....the gt4's seem to really come alive when those 16" wheels are added,as in that first pic of the yellow gt4. anybody know anything about the greenish blue gt4 on e-bay at present? :http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2400430449&category=6212 wow,checked it a 1/2 hour ago(10:30pm est)no bids,now(11:00pm est)reserve met!!!! douglas hunt | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 287 Registered: 6-2002 |
only similarity i see is yellow. | ||
| Dom Vitarella (Dom)
New member Username: Dom Post Number: 36 Registered: 11-2002 |
I found one on the web.  | ||
| Dom Vitarella (Dom)
New member Username: Dom Post Number: 35 Registered: 11-2002 |
Jay, I know what your talking about. The original Lambo prototype. I really liked the looks of that one, much cleaner than the countach. And yes, I agree, similar to the GT4. If you have a picture that would be great. Dom | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Member Username: Jay Post Number: 966 Registered: 10-2001 |
The LP400, come on guys, you gonna make me dig up a picture and put them side by side? | ||
| Joseph (Mojo)
Junior Member Username: Mojo Post Number: 243 Registered: 9-2002 |
I don't see it | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 286 Registered: 6-2002 |
UH....NO. | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Member Username: Jay Post Number: 962 Registered: 10-2001 |
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| J. Grande (Jay)
Member Username: Jay Post Number: 961 Registered: 10-2001 |
Look carefully...the countach is in there!!!! Especially from the front | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 285 Registered: 6-2002 |
Uracco and Gt4 look like a Countach? I dont know from what angle? | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Member Username: Jay Post Number: 960 Registered: 10-2001 |
Guys, don't forget that from the Urraco, GT4 design came one of the great cars of all time, the Countach. I think the original Countach, without all the scoops and intakes, has to be one of the cleanest fastest looking cars ever made. You can definately see the resemblence to these earlier cars. | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 641 Registered: 10-2001 |
Bertone is an acquired taste. As a kid I was Pininfarina all the way. After time though, I came to like the Uracco/308 GT4 style wedge that became Bertone's trademark. Try to see that as a style unto itself and not compare it directly to the Pininfarina curves. It has its own statement. A more aggressive stance for a car, more threatening. Pininfarina was all about sex and women; Bertone is power and men. All that being said, I do like Pininfarina designs better, but I'm glad I got to the point of seeing Bertone as beautiful too. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1171 Registered: 8-2002 |
Dave, you're absolutely right, that is one fugly car... The color doesn't help much, either... It looks like their original intention was make a station wagon, but then ran out of time (or materials)... Holy cow, that's really bad... | ||
| David S (Djs308)
Junior Member Username: Djs308 Post Number: 53 Registered: 9-2002 |
DES, if you didn't like the Uracco at first, have you ever seen the ESPADA? I don't know what Bertone was thinking when they drew up that car! To me the Uracco is neat but the Espada is just awful to look at! Just a train wreck of a design. The only good thing about that car is the 12 cylinder engine under the hood. There happens to be one for sale at www.forza.weblobby.com. This thing has been listed there for MONTHS with apparently no takers. Not hard to understand why when you see it... | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1167 Registered: 8-2002 |
LOL, oh... um, ok... | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 1554 Registered: 4-2002 |
yes des im sure, i own a tr | ||
| ducati 916 (Ts_348)
Junior Member Username: Ts_348 Post Number: 71 Registered: 3-2002 |
DEs thats a 348 looks like a TS | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1166 Registered: 8-2002 |
Are you sure...? That butt looks really wide and pretty high in relation to the rest of the car (that i can see, at least...) i mean, i'm no know-it-all, you're probably right, but i'm just wondering... | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 1553 Registered: 4-2002 |
des it looks like a 348 | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1164 Registered: 8-2002 |
Hey, Mike, is that a blue Testarossa to the right of the Urraco...? | ||
| Mike Dawson (Miked)
Junior Member Username: Miked Post Number: 67 Registered: 2-2001 |
As a GT4 owner I have to agree with Jay, Bertone designs seem to look much better in person and an appreciation of the designs usually comes after a careful study. The GT4 and Urraco had a marketing competition in the 70's not unlike Camero/Mustang. The Urraco even had an "Italy only" 2 liter version similar to the 208 GT4. More Urraco info at http://www.lamborghiniregistry.com/Urraco/index.html This very nice Urraco has been at the Atlanta Italian Car Days for the last few years, unfortunetly I don't remember the owners name.   | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Member Username: Jay Post Number: 957 Registered: 10-2001 |
DES, the GT4 is said to be the best handling/performing of the 308 series cars, and I believe it! I've gone for a scare ride in a friends GT4 that has all the suspension done and it handles like it is on rails! Of course the sound of the carbs helps too!! Mine should be finished this spring/summer. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1157 Registered: 8-2002 |
Ok, Jay, that looks a little nicer without that black paneling thingie on the back and with the chrome wheels... Still, it has too boxy a look to it, to appeal to me... Still, i'm sure it's an awesome car... | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Member Username: Jay Post Number: 956 Registered: 10-2001 |
I betcha quite a bit of the Urraco is compatible with the Dino GT4. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1155 Registered: 8-2002 |
LOL... | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Member Username: Jay Post Number: 954 Registered: 10-2001 |
Let's try this again  | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Member Username: Jay Post Number: 953 Registered: 10-2001 |
Definately Bertone! \image {toprear} | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1151 Registered: 8-2002 |
"I guess I won't be taking you out for a spin in my GT4!" ARGHHHHHHH...! i should've kept my mouth closed, a ride in anything fast is always cool... | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Member Username: Jay Post Number: 952 Registered: 10-2001 |
Hey DES sorry to hear that. I guess I won't be taking you out for a spin in my GT4! You really have to see Bertone's cars in person. They don't photograph well. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1150 Registered: 8-2002 |
Nah, Mojo, my tastes are pretty discriminative (is that even a word...?) i didn't notice that it's a four-seater, but still, it doesn't appeal to me... It looks like a stretched-out Datsun... Just my opinion... | ||
| Lucas Taratus (Karmavore)
New member Username: Karmavore Post Number: 16 Registered: 12-2002 |
The GT4 is in the top 5 of my list of favorite Ferraris. This guy could be cooler. Luke. | ||
| Joseph (Mojo)
Junior Member Username: Mojo Post Number: 238 Registered: 9-2002 |
DES you dont like that? I think it's kind of cool for it's era, and for a 4 seater. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1147 Registered: 8-2002 |
Wow, a Lamborghini i don't like... That's a first... | ||
| Dom Vitarella (Dom)
New member Username: Dom Post Number: 33 Registered: 11-2002 |
There was a comparison article in road and track back in 1975 or 76 between the urraco, the maserati merak, and the 308 gt4. The 3 cars were similar in many respects. Both the urraco and GT4 were Bertone designs. All nice cars in my opinion. Dom | ||
| Greg Rodgers (Joechristmas)
Member Username: Joechristmas Post Number: 597 Registered: 3-2001 |
LOL! Earl Shibe!!!! | ||
| Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
Member Username: Davewapinski Post Number: 454 Registered: 8-2001 |
I think he was getting the $300 special | ||
| Pat Pasqualini (Enzo)
Junior Member Username: Enzo Post Number: 161 Registered: 2-2002 |
I'm surprised that it wasn't a Earl Shibe $99 Special | ||
| bruce wellington (Bws88tr)
Intermediate Member Username: Bws88tr Post Number: 1544 Registered: 4-2002 |
GREG THATS EARL SCHIBE (SP) | ||
| Matt (Matt_lamotte)
Junior Member Username: Matt_lamotte Post Number: 142 Registered: 10-2002 |
I guess if Rob lets it sit then it's no big deal. I was just trying to prevent what i already started with my last famous topic which you of course know of. If it's no big deal to anyone else then, let it roll. | ||
| Greg Rodgers (Joechristmas)
Member Username: Joechristmas Post Number: 595 Registered: 3-2001 |
Doesn't Maaco offer the $200 paint job? Huh. | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1090 Registered: 2-2001 |
Matt, Lamborghinis are now considered General Ferrari Discussion, or had you not heard? Ernesto | ||
| Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
Member Username: Davewapinski Post Number: 453 Registered: 8-2001 |
Thats the car. Although it was blue, black interior. It was just outside Trenton, NJ; Lawrenceville I think they call it. Not too far from where they recently found a body in a suitcase (would like to volunteer my ex-wife) :-) Guy seemed like a Mafia type. I like the Ferrari much better. Guy said this car was rare, but might be a story. | ||
| Jens Haller (Jh280774)
Junior Member Username: Jh280774 Post Number: 181 Registered: 9-2001 |
Somehow looks like a stretched 308GT4. Typical styling from Bertone though! I don�t like it that much but that�s of course a matter of personal preference... | ||
| Pat Pasqualini (Enzo)
Junior Member Username: Enzo Post Number: 159 Registered: 2-2002 |
Was the guy painting it bright purple and was he wearing gold chains and a fur jacket? | ||
| Gene Agatep (Gagatep)
Junior Member Username: Gagatep Post Number: 157 Registered: 8-2002 |
Urraco built during the mid 70's body by bertone to compete against the dino gt4  nice handling cars | ||
| Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
Member Username: Davewapinski Post Number: 452 Registered: 8-2001 |
uracco sounds correct. What is it, how does it compare to a Ferrari, and are they common? | ||
| Matt (Matt_lamotte)
Junior Member Username: Matt_lamotte Post Number: 141 Registered: 10-2002 |
Off Topic partna | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1088 Registered: 2-2001 |
uracco? Ernesto | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 353 Registered: 8-2001 |
Not sure about a 75 but I know the Espada had four seats. Jon | ||
| Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
Member Username: Davewapinski Post Number: 451 Registered: 8-2001 |
Yesterday I saw a Lambo at Maaco of all places being painted. Model was something like Ui.... Owner said it was a 1975. It was a 4 seater if the back people did not have legs. It looked smaller than a 308, but not for sure. What was this and is it common? |