| Author | Message | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 3678 Registered: 5-2001 |
totally right Matt. takes more knowledge to get into them as well. | ||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 356 Registered: 3-2001 |
Martin...offense never taken pal...not part of the equation. Funny thing for me...I would personally pay more for a car which ran in the back of the pack in all races...as the guy who won the series, ALWAYS ended up trashing his car! I saw a competitive driver (no names here) have 3 impacts in one day of racing!! They are such bad drivers (other than the top 5) in the series, they always played bumper cars! The guy who was dead last was not competitive, and didn't have to swap paint to take win the corner. I too, would also have a Challenge Car that was never raced as opposed to a Challenge Car that was last in each event. I would however take the last place car over a non-Challenge Car. All in all, you raise some valid issues, as you normally do. I think that buying a Challenge Car takes more due diligence than buying a normal car. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 3675 Registered: 5-2001 |
...it also depends what comes with the car!" - extra set of rims, - extra exhausts - spare parts - stock parts that have been taken off the car in the conversion etc. - telemetry | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 3674 Registered: 5-2001 |
Matt, you are right you can barely judge these challenge cars by what they are. There is issues where an owner may have put extra equipment into the car tweeked the engine further and you know what. All of this obviously make a difference in price. So does the history. If the car is for sale that has won the Challenge series in a year that car will be valued higher than the car that finished last or has no track record, although there you may also have a difference. I rather have one that was never raced professionally than one that finished last in every event.  The reason why I posted this was food for thought. Jon is obviously very knowledgable as you are yourself with the Challenge market and series and most of the cars that show up on your events in summer. If any of these cars had any significant history I am sure you or Jon would have known right away. So my conclusion was, it is just another Challenge car. Giving that it is just another Challenge car club racer. As for the Challenge 360s for $ 110K, well since you can not title them anyway, might as well get one from Europe for that price and import them. The point was that you get a 360 for only a few bucks more than the 355s as offered. Again, you are right it all comes down to what does each of them have to compare them. I have to assume they are "normal" Challenge cars. I hope I wrote this right and my thought process comes across. Please take no offense. | ||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 354 Registered: 3-2001 |
Jon, I'm not sure if that is the one. I have been told that the black/silver car has been taken off the market. If it is the one...it was hit once that I know of. It also had an engine rebuild..which was billed out at $40,000!! Driver went down from 4 to 2, instead of up to 5! The car felt nice and tight when I drove it. It was pretty nice. The original driver never took it over 5,000 rpm...didn't know how...the second owner hammered it pretty hard. I hear health issues force the sale. I will try to get more info on the car for you. As far as I know, the car I tested at the Labor Day event was never serviced out of Atlanta. | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 388 Registered: 8-2001 |
Matt, I've come down with the "Cold from Hell". Will give you a call at the end of the week to get caught up on things and get some more info on these two cars. Do you know if the black 355 C is the one that used to belong to Jamie Ross. I think that car was at the Labor day event with some big aftermarket wing and a carbon fiber splitter. I think the owner was talking to you after your brake problem. Guy with blondish hair and a mustache if I remember correctly. Think that car was for sale. Same one?? Regards, Jon Regards, Jon | ||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 353 Registered: 3-2001 |
Martin...I value your opinion on many issues, but I think you may be a bit off on this one. It is not possible to determine the relative value of a Challenge Car by looking at the supplied info. Each car MUST be valued on its personal history (ie: crash, mechanical). To look at year and miles and come up with an opinion is not sufficient. And I promise you that you DO NOT want to buy a 360 Challenge Car which is going for $110,000. Jon, if you really want the history of the cars, contact me and I will put you in touch with the right people. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 3671 Registered: 5-2001 |
JOn, if you ask me and you don't, they are both too much money. The 1995 may be but the 1998 too much. Especially if they were raced. With prices for 355 in a free fall.... You can get 360 Challenge cars for $ 110K, why would one want to buy a 355 for close to that? As you surely know the 1995 can be made street legal again, whereas the later years are strict race cars. That would be some consideration to me! | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 386 Registered: 8-2001 |
Both appeared for sale in the monthly Ferrari Club Newsletter and have the following s/n: 100385 1995 F355 C, red w/ tan interior, 17,000 miles asking 79K, raced in the Challenge series as car #17, car is in Atlanta. 111869 1998 F355 C, black w/ silver stripes 10,135, car totally repainted, car may have raced in T1 SCCA, serviced by Ferrari of Atlanta asking 89K. Any info regarding crash history, race history or any other personal knowledge any of you may have about the cars condition. I spoke with Ferrari of Atlanta but they gave me little info about the history of their car and the other person hasn't returned my phone call as of yet. Regards, Jon P. Kofod 1995 F355 Challenge #23 |