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Dan (Bobafett)
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Username: Bobafett

Post Number: 211
Registered: 9-2002
Posted on Friday, January 24, 2003 - 9:52 pm:   

A v12 dino? huh?

at this point, there are so many theories running around, you could tell me it'll have a 2l straight 8 (quite a feat!) and it'll be as probable...
Racer 001 (Mr_0011)
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Username: Mr_0011

Post Number: 465
Registered: 3-2002
Posted on Friday, January 24, 2003 - 9:12 pm:   

Bart, I heard a destroked (5.5L or so) Enzo unit will be stuffed in the new Maranello and 456M replacement as well. But what's this about a 3xx V12 car? Any other info on it?
Bart Bosmans (Bel)
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Username: Bel

Post Number: 32
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Friday, January 24, 2003 - 8:24 pm:   

Just got back from the Belgium Ferrari importer and he said that the new 360 will have a central V12 (2005). They are also going to put the Enzo engine in a 2+2 coupe.

Bart
Willis Huang (Willis360)
Intermediate Member
Username: Willis360

Post Number: 1096
Registered: 8-2001
Posted on Friday, January 24, 2003 - 10:29 am:   

Hmm...I thought Marcello Gandini (Bertone) was responsible for the Miura.

I have a feeling that the successor will be a radical departure from the the normal 3-series succession. Perhaps a V10 to combat the upcoming small Lambo?
Steve Magnusson (91tr)
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Username: 91tr

Post Number: 1347
Registered: 1-2001
Posted on Friday, January 24, 2003 - 9:55 am:   

Frank Stephenson (the new F-M design/styling uber-boss) said in Autoweek: "The first job with more of my input will be the next 360 Modena" so it can't be coming too soon, and IIRC a 360 Stradale picture caption said 2005 for the "next 360".

I loved his response of the diplomacy required when you're dealing with the Italian design gods:

"...it can feel kind of difficult to tell a guy who�s considered the best designer of the century (i.e. Giorgio Giugiaro) that you prefer it this way. You�re the new kid on the block and you were wetting your bed while he was doing the Lamborghini Miura..."

I liked what he said about Pininfarina too -- it doesn't need fixing: "With Pininfarina, you deal with a group of people who together are doing fantastic work. And how can you mess with that?". Plus some usual class LdM-speak:

AUTOWEEK -- Frank Stephenson Interview
Luigi Gatti (Luigi)
Junior Member
Username: Luigi

Post Number: 82
Registered: 10-2001
Posted on Friday, January 24, 2003 - 9:50 am:   

ELI: from what I've been told there won't a replacement model in early 2004.Pretty sure about this.

Gian Maria: I think it's going to be almost impossible to get a Stradale before winter.Your best bet is to contact some of the bigger italian dealers.Good luck.
gian maria traversone (Giamma)
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Username: Giamma

Post Number: 20
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Thursday, January 23, 2003 - 2:14 pm:   

Luigi , I called Loris Kessel in Swiss for a stradale and he is saying not before Dicember, do you think it is possible to have one before that? I am looking for one eather in Ticino or Italy.
ELI (Titanium360)
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Username: Titanium360

Post Number: 268
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Thursday, January 23, 2003 - 1:55 pm:   

Luigi:

Can you at least tell us if the replacement will be out in 04. I am deciding in between buying a 02-03 spider or an 04 coupe. If i know the replacement will be availalbe in early 04 i will rather wait.
Luigi Gatti (Luigi)
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Username: Luigi

Post Number: 81
Registered: 10-2001
Posted on Thursday, January 23, 2003 - 1:47 pm:   

About the 360 replacement all I can tell you for now is that they aren't going to follow their usual pattern as they did for V8s in the past.I can't tell you more for now otherwise somebody will be in trouble ;)
Amar Inam (Amar360)
Junior Member
Username: Amar360

Post Number: 73
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Thursday, January 23, 2003 - 1:14 pm:   

The 360 Stradale will be a street legal car.
Jaime Torres (Chevarri)
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Username: Chevarri

Post Number: 7
Registered: 1-2003
Posted on Thursday, January 23, 2003 - 11:11 am:   

Quicker track times then the F-50 and F-40!
Chris Richardson (Boozy)
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Username: Boozy

Post Number: 249
Registered: 11-2001
Posted on Thursday, January 23, 2003 - 11:01 am:   

I'm assuming this is going to be a non-street-legal vehicle?
ELI (Titanium360)
Member
Username: Titanium360

Post Number: 264
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Thursday, January 23, 2003 - 10:03 am:   

Luigi:

Can you friend find out anything regarding the 360 replacement? When it will be out?
gian maria traversone (Giamma)
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Username: Giamma

Post Number: 19
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Thursday, January 23, 2003 - 9:50 am:   

how come the pexiglass is having problem with omologation? the F40 was pexiglass!
I just love the look of the sliding window, too bad if they are taking it away....
Matthew F (Mateotnt)
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Username: Mateotnt

Post Number: 16
Registered: 7-2002
Posted on Thursday, January 23, 2003 - 9:23 am:   

And it simply means "street".
Tenney (Tenney)
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Username: Tenney

Post Number: 304
Registered: 2-2001
Posted on Thursday, January 23, 2003 - 9:20 am:   

"Strah-dah-lay" per Italian fluent enthusiast.
Kevin Butler (Challenge)
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Username: Challenge

Post Number: 77
Registered: 9-2002
Posted on Thursday, January 23, 2003 - 9:05 am:   

OK, but what's Stradale mean and how do you pronounce it?

Kevin
Luigi Gatti (Luigi)
Junior Member
Username: Luigi

Post Number: 80
Registered: 10-2001
Posted on Thursday, January 23, 2003 - 9:01 am:   

A friend of mine went to Fiorano today and got some info on the Challenge Stradale from a Ferrari executive:

The car will indeed weigh under 1200 kgs for sure, I don't know how they managed this but it really is amazing.
The F1 system is extremely quicker than that found in the 360.
The power will be slightly higher than the Modena's(around 420 true hp).
Not sure if the perspex windows will pass all homologation issues, so they aren't 100% sure they'll make it to the production car.
The wheels are magnesium 19 inch items and the tyres are a variation of the Pirelli Pzero Corsa especially made for the CS (225 fr. and 295 back) with more longitudinal grooves.
The back end doesn't only sport the new ducktail, but is subtly reworked in a very aggressive way.

And now hear this:
The Challenge Stradale is the second fastest car to ever lap Fiorano circuit, having just the Enzo quicker.(F50, F40 etc... are all slower)


Price will be around 160-165000 Euros in Europe.
I'm almost sure that it's going to be sold in the US also.

All the other specs are the same as what I've already told you a while ago...



Willis Huang (Willis360)
Intermediate Member
Username: Willis360

Post Number: 1095
Registered: 8-2001
Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 10:12 pm:   

I've read that 2005 is the year for the 360 replacement.
Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member
Username: T88power

Post Number: 1114
Registered: 2-2001
Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 5:30 pm:   

yes, the stradale will debut at geneva. according to luigi, the stripes are optional (thank god).

Ernesto
Bart Bosmans (Bel)
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Username: Bel

Post Number: 31
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 3:46 pm:   

Rick,

No it's the stradale, that they are going to show in Geneva according to my dealer.
full story: http://www.classicdriver.de/uk/magazine/3300.asp?id=11451

Bart
DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member
Username: Sickspeed

Post Number: 1374
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 3:34 pm:   

Those butt crack ugly stripes better be optional...
RICK ROMERO (Tr90)
Junior Member
Username: Tr90

Post Number: 151
Registered: 4-2001
Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 3:26 pm:   

Bart:

That's not the replacement for the 360, is it?
Bart Bosmans (Bel)
New member
Username: Bel

Post Number: 30
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 3:14 pm:   

Rick,

Asked the F dealer in Belgium last week,they will show the Stradale at the Geneva show.Upload. Street legal 360 Challenge.
RICK ROMERO (Tr90)
Junior Member
Username: Tr90

Post Number: 150
Registered: 4-2001
Posted on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 3:06 pm:   

Any further news regarding the 360 replacement? when it will be availalbe? is it going to debut at the Geneva show? any info will be appreciated.

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