| Author | Message | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1524 Registered: 8-2002 |
Mark, i hear what you're saying, but a recent finding (last year) of a skull appearing to be human (or somewhat human) dated back farther than anything else ever found, of the same similarity- this was found in Africa... if i can find the article/notes/etc i'll post it or email it, if you'd like... | ||
| Mark Lambert (Mlambert890)
New member Username: Mlambert890 Post Number: 46 Registered: 4-2002 |
DES, multi-regional evolution is a serious area of study and not just relegated to History Channel specials. It is looking more and more like the Out of Africa theory was based on lots of flawed assumptions and missing pieces. Also, as is typical with the politics of science, the "community" decided to immeditately embrace "Out of Africa" for various reasons and moved against multi-region theories. If you step away from the politics of it, the "Out of Africa" theory really doesn't make a lot of sense. The fossil records don't add up either and, at this point, I think we have a "world is flat" scenario where 100 years from now historians will laugh at the fact that people ever even doubted. | ||
| Joseph (Mojo)
Member Username: Mojo Post Number: 264 Registered: 9-2002 |
Yes space odd. 2001 | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 666 Registered: 5-2002 |
If I dress like an ape, throw a bone into the air, and it turns into a Ferrari, is my evolution complete? (Brownie points if you get the movie reference.) | ||
| Gene Agatep (Gagatep)
Junior Member Username: Gagatep Post Number: 181 Registered: 8-2002 |
does this mean, Ferrari's came from evolved apes??????? hmmm.... why am i on this thread???? i must be losing it!!!!! | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1492 Registered: 8-2002 |
Kevin, my understanding is the same- but i just happened to hear about it, somewhere, it's not like i have an in-depth knowledge of that sorta thing... | ||
| Kevin Butler (Challenge)
Junior Member Username: Challenge Post Number: 76 Registered: 9-2002 |
I also believe that Porsche used the term Boxer to describe horizontally-opposed cylinder engines before Ferrari. But I still think the term "Boxster" is sissified... | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 3697 Registered: 5-2001 |
"What do you get when you have 3 Germans fighting?" - Worldwar I and II - | ||
| Ansgar Schürmeyer (Taunus)
Junior Member Username: Taunus Post Number: 95 Registered: 6-2002 |
Your are right Arlie, Mr. Otto was a german. Also Rudolph Diesel and Felix Wankel. Not to forget Carl Benz and Gottlieb Daimler, both build the first cars at the same time in germany.  | ||
| Dave Penhale (Dapper)
Member Username: Dapper Post Number: 507 Registered: 4-2002 |
so we can lay blame with the Germans for something else then, the rediculous service intervals due to that Frickin timing bels! | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 825 Registered: 4-2002 |
Jordan: We're all from the same cellular origin? What if we switched to digital? Or if we're digital, but occasionally roam on cellular? | ||
| Ric Rainbolt (Ricrain)
Member Username: Ricrain Post Number: 427 Registered: 2-2002 |
False Gods. Ra is dead. Apophis is dead. Nothing but Goa'ulds. Long live the Tok'ra and Asguard fleets! | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 296 Registered: 9-2002 |
We are all decendents of the mighty sun God Ra! BOW TO YOUR KING! haha ok now this is wwaaaayyyy out there. | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Intermediate Member Username: Newman Post Number: 1078 Registered: 12-2001 |
Actually, I was too lazy to rewrite it after I read it but I think I made my point. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1475 Registered: 8-2002 |
Uh, Paul... wouldn't that make the engine of Meteorian descent...? Also, where did the meteor come from...? This details are overlooked, but not unimportant... | ||
| Paul Newman (Newman)
Intermediate Member Username: Newman Post Number: 1077 Registered: 12-2001 |
Since we all decend from a meteor that bounced off mars and carried life here then the engine is martian. | ||
| Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
Junior Member Username: Jordan747_400 Post Number: 180 Registered: 12-2002 |
In that case, we are all brothers and sisters. In theory we all came from the same cellular organism | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1469 Registered: 8-2002 |
That i'll leave alone... | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Intermediate Member Username: Jay Post Number: 1005 Registered: 10-2001 |
Oh, and the garden of Eden was in Mesopotamia | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1467 Registered: 8-2002 |
Sorry, Jay, i was just trying to make a point... (Damn, i'm really getting beat up, here... ) | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1466 Registered: 8-2002 |
JRV, i wouldn't say that the History Channel should be quoted as the authority on the subject, in the basis of any argument, but since i can't find my reference to further debate this, i'll have to sit this one out (for now )... Thanks, Arlie, for the correction... | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Intermediate Member Username: Jay Post Number: 1003 Registered: 10-2001 |
DES there is actual evidence that we Italians had pasta even before Marco Polo went to China! | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 674 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>Otto invented the 4 CYCLE engine, << Arlie, is that why we call them the OttoMobiles???? | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 673 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>What's your point??<< Huh????...this thread was supposed to have a point??????? | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 659 Registered: 5-2002 |
DES, Otto invented the 4 CYCLE engine, not 4 cylinder. That came later. | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 673 Registered: 10-2001 |
Arlie, congratulations on discovering the Otto Cycle: the 4 stroke engine. I can't recall if it was Og or Charlie who discovered fire, but nevertheless Ferraris are descended from the so called cave men. What's your point?? | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 672 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>>evolutionally speaking, the first caucasian couple or tribe descended from Africa, since- evolutionally speaking- that's where life on Earth started...<<< Sorry DES, but 'Out of Africa' is still an unproven 'theory', with as of yet no definative, absolute proof.. (History Channel last weekend). So the debate rages on much like what mile over 30K will my belt really break...30K & 1 or 30K & 5K or....well...but some of these mysteries of the universe deserve answers. | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Junior Member Username: Psk Post Number: 54 Registered: 11-2002 |
Actually we should say that all cars relate to the guy who invented the wheel, or first found oil, or first made metal, or so on ... utter rubbish! Country of origin of a product has nothing to do with who invented what and where first, and enough credit is given to Otto anyway Pete ps: This site needs a common sense filter | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1462 Registered: 8-2002 |
JRV, evolutionally speaking, the first caucasian couple or tribe descended from Africa, since- evolutionally speaking- that's where life on Earth started... So if you're gonna go back that far, you need to go back even further- and although i think this is silly, if this really needs to be discussed, we can say that all Ferraris are African- then the two theories, Evolution & Religion, can debate... Also, saying that all Ferraris are German because a person of German descent invented the 4 cylindar engine is like saying all pasta is Asian because pasta originated in Asia... Just my twin pennies, though... | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 670 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>This all needs thorough research because it could rock the very foundations of the Ferrari world. More input is desperately needed. << Now you see my point. Sometimes what we think we know, just ain't so. Ya know! If this is all traced back geneologicaly what country was The Garden of Eden in anyway? | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 655 Registered: 5-2002 |
But the exact same doubts could be expressed concerning Enzo himself. His grandfather or great grandmother could have been Lithunian for all we know. This all needs thorough research because it could rock the very foundations of the Ferrari world. More input is desperately needed. | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 669 Registered: 11-2002 |
But how do we know that's really where his ancestry is from? Perhaps he was an immigrant? Perhaps relatives were from Latvia or Switzerland, or England, etc.? Would make a difference. Can we get ahold of the geneolgy chart for this individual just to be certian? | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 496 Registered: 10-2001 |
Ach ya ! sehr Gut ! | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 653 Registered: 5-2002 |
No, I'm assuming they're German because of the second line on the U.S. Patent: Nicolaus A. Otto of Deutz, GERMANY | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 665 Registered: 11-2002 |
Hey Arlie, I 'm glad you brought this up. Do you realize how much more expensive Lambo's aqre than Ferrari's? Especially parts and service. With Distrib caps going for $1K for a Countach or Diablo, Diablo Plug Wires Factory Set $1100.00, a rear wheel $3500.00, a coil $1500.00 1 rear tire $800 bucks +++ Mounting & Balancing, New Murcielago Dash Pod $7 Grand. With those kinds of prices you can have a field day rippin & dissin on the new Lambo site. See ya there buddy. BTW...are you assuming they're German because of some lines on a map? Wouldn't this really go back to the first caucasion couple or tribe? | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 652 Registered: 5-2002 |
When it comes right down to it, all cars, including Ferraris with their beloved high performance engines, are GERMAN cars because the 4 cycle engine was invented by a German, no? http://www.tjpatlaw.com/cff067.html The basic 4 cycle engine is still the foundation of all internal combustion powered automobiles, so shouldn't we give credit where credit is due? |