| Author | Message | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 364 Registered: 10-2002 |
There was an article in FORZA about one of Letterman's Ferraris. Very rare and unusual looking, but beautifully restored. Thanks for all the infos on Vanilla Sky. I'll be watching it again with that in mind. To answer the 'State Fair' movie question, here is what the FCA website says about its cars: A red 290 MM Spyder Scaglietti, a purple 375 MM Spyder Pinin Farina, a blue 750 Monza Scaglietti Spyder, and a red-white 750 Monza Scaglietti Spyder all appeared in the 1962 film "State Fair." BTW: I'm still trying to find a Miami Vice episode on tape in which they drive the white TR. I bought the movie, but it 'only' has the Daytona in it, although in a phantastic night scene. If anybody has a tape or could name an episode, I'd be happy to go hunting for it on ebay. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Intermediate Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 2464 Registered: 9-2001 |
letterman is a big car guy - he is famous for getting lots of speeding tickets up in CT. He is some times at indy and formula one races - he may have some ownership interests in a team of some sort - do know for sure | ||
| Warren L. (Warren)
Junior Member Username: Warren Post Number: 149 Registered: 2-2002 |
How many actors / actresses get to make the same movie twice in different languages. Penelope must have broken some record with that one. Is Dave Letterman a car buff too? | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Junior Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 219 Registered: 9-2002 |
I'm with Bill - the Spanish version of the movie is much better. Of course, it helps to have some natives to direct you through it... --Dan | ||
| Bill Gammon (Bill_gammon)
New member Username: Bill_gammon Post Number: 38 Registered: 9-2002 |
You guys are discussing my one of my favorite movies. Hell, I even bought the original spanish version on DVD. The Mustang in the spanish version is a Bettle convertible (circa 1979). I can't remember what the dream sequence car is or what the crash car is. I will watch it again and let you know if it is anything worth mentioning. Penelope looks HOTTER in the Spanish version...... | ||
| David J. Smith (Darkhorse512)
Junior Member Username: Darkhorse512 Post Number: 151 Registered: 10-2002 |
Warren I vaguly remember the conversation but, Letterman made first mention of how expensive the real thing would have been to buy or borrow. Director Cameron Crowe is much more of a music guy than a car guy. He might not have cared about authenticity until they got to post production and dubbed in real F-cars sounds. But the Ford/Ferrari difference between dream and reality? Idunno. Maybe his character was supposed to have a collection of cars? | ||
| David J. Smith (Darkhorse512)
Junior Member Username: Darkhorse512 Post Number: 150 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hey Wayne! I've got one for you. If you a find a copy of the very very first episode of Miami Vice "Brother�s Keeper Pt.1" you'll notice that Crockett's Daytona was real! It only appeared in one scene. Sonny was waiting outside a chicken food place to harrass an informant named Leon Jefferson They took a ride in his Merc SL. Crockett smacked BBQ chicken around in his car while trying to work him for an intro to one of Calderone's dealers. The shot was framed as such that all you could see was the upper half of the Daytona. The windshield was not a Corvette. The doors had correct half wing nut handles, triangular windows with pillars and a chrome round outside rear view mirror. Over the years I think I've seen all 111 episodes at least 4 times. Again I am soo thankful to have a place to take my useless information. | ||
| Warren L. (Warren)
Junior Member Username: Warren Post Number: 148 Registered: 2-2002 |
Dave, Did Cruise mention why they used a fake instead of a real one? It's not like they crash the F-. I think the accident is in a mustang? Diaz's car? AND, I asked this question months ago, but what's your take on how they use the f- in the dream but cruise actually drives a ford?? in real life (real life as is in the movie). The thing is, everything else is exactly the same in the dream as it is in real life, EXCEPT, the F- | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 717 Registered: 8-2002 |
David J. and Warren are right about Vanilla Sky and its meaning. Watched the DVD several times and even with the director's commentary, however, he never mentions why the (fake) GTO was used instead of the Mustang for the dream sequence. I assume it's just one of those dream things where you jumble up information. As for Miami Vice, I think it's been discussed here several times before. It was originally a fake Daytona Spyder built on a 'Vette. Ferrari did give them two TR's (originally black) because of their disapproval of the replica. Later, a TR stunt car was built using a Pantera and original TR body components from a scrap yard as a stand-in for the real thing during stunt driving sequences. | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Junior Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 217 Registered: 9-2002 |
Warren: I interpreted the movie the same way, but I've only seen it once when it came out. Now I'm curious to see if it makes more sense 'our' way as opposed to Andreas' interpretation. Where's Mr. Glickenhaus when you need him? :D --Dan | ||
| David J. Smith (Darkhorse512)
Junior Member Username: Darkhorse512 Post Number: 148 Registered: 10-2002 |
Warren, The wreck was in Diaz's Buick. The only reasons I can think of for the F-car swap in the dream scenes were that the realism of the dream probably made him want to take any other car that morning. I'm sure Cruise's character had an upper eastside Manhattan garage full of collectibles. The Mustang was used in the close call with the garbage truck on his way to work. And the time/money risk (If the stunt had gone wrong)of fixing a 67 fastback may have made more sense ("Elanore" Gone in 60 sec.) than trying to find F-replicar panels for an old Z-car. | ||
| Warren L. (Warren)
Junior Member Username: Warren Post Number: 147 Registered: 2-2002 |
Dave, Did Cruise mention why they used a fake instead of a real one? It's not like they crash the F-. I think the accident is in a mustang? Diaz's car? AND, I asked this question months ago, but what's your take on how they use the f- in the dream but cruise actually drives a ford?? in real life (real life as is in the movie). The thing is, everything else is exactly the same in the dream as it is in real life, EXCEPT, the F- | ||
| David J. Smith (Darkhorse512)
Junior Member Username: Darkhorse512 Post Number: 147 Registered: 10-2002 |
Warren is right. I watched the movie twice in one sitting. David got soo depreesed after they left the night club (Sofia said "maybe in another life when we are cats"). He went home made arrangments with the cryo company. A few days later he took all those sleeping pills and died. The dream "splice" David requested would take place at the time when Sofia and his best friend ran off together in the night. As far as the car goes, I remember Tom Cruise talking to Dave Letterman about how he fooled the director into thinking the car was real in the beginning of the shoot. I thought the sound work was great but anyone of us should be able to tell Datsun Z windshield from a mile away. Adjusted for inflation I wonder what his millions would have been worth 150 years from now? | ||
| James Selevan (Jselevan)
Member Username: Jselevan Post Number: 323 Registered: 6-2002 |
More information - this should answer the question. Jim S.   | ||
| James Selevan (Jselevan)
Member Username: Jselevan Post Number: 322 Registered: 6-2002 |
Okay - want Ferrari movie history - what car was Pat Boone driving in State Fair? I don't know the answer, but I'll give a hint. It was released for screen viewing in April, 1962. Thus, they must have used a 1960 or 61 production car for the race scenes. I saw it when it first came out, for a quarter, and went to see it mainly for the car. Ann-Margret wore real nice sneekers, too. Jim S. | ||
| Todd (Tkrefeld)
Junior Member Username: Tkrefeld Post Number: 121 Registered: 11-2001 |
hmm I was always told it was the Rossa, and when Ferrari found out they gave them one to use | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 683 Registered: 5-2002 |
I thought the first episodes were a Corvette based Daytona convertible? | ||
| Todd (Tkrefeld)
Junior Member Username: Tkrefeld Post Number: 120 Registered: 11-2001 |
Dont forget the first episodes of Miami Vice were a corvette based Testarossa. I agree with the entertainment. Still trying to figure out how many of the cars on gone in 60 seconds were authentic though | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 359 Registered: 10-2002 |
Warren, very interesting interpretation (and I don't mean that in any condescending way) of the movie. Can't tell whether you're right off the bat, have to watch it again and look at it from your perspective. You might be onto something. My interpretation was, that he actually died on the street, disfigured and all and had a contract with the software/brain company previously signed to have his brain dream of a better world and that because of the complications, the engineers themselves come into the program and talk to him at the end of the movie. So that talk on the roof and his jump are still fictional and he accepts that by jumping into fiction (kinda like the hero from Matrix flies up at the end after he has looked through the matrix). Either way, I think it is fun to have a movie, that allows various interpretations. As for the GTO debate: This was a MOVIE for the people to be ENTERTAINED. It was not a documentary for Ferrari buffs. So cool your jets. As far as I was concerned I thought it looked pretty real, but then again I thought the same about the California spider in Ferris Buehler and the Daytona in Miami Vice. I guess I'm not concours judge material... | ||
| Warren L. (Warren)
Junior Member Username: Warren Post Number: 146 Registered: 2-2002 |
Andreas, Not that it matters, but I believe the plot of the movie goes like this: Everything is real up until the point of when Cruise falls asleep or is knocked out on the street. As the computer dude explains at the end of the movie, what happened was that cruise woke up the next morning depressed, so he voluntarily entered the brain computer company which set up a fantasy or so called escape world so he could get away from his depressed reality -that of his days as a disfigured, former eligible bachelor. So from the point when penelope cruz wakes him up on the street to take him in, is all fake. But then his brain doesn't want to accept that fantasy world anymore so he calls out for help at which point the computer dude gives him two options, 1) they can fix the glitch in the computer and he can stay in the dream world 2) at this point, hundreds of years from the point when he first entered his dream / fantasy state they have the technology to fix his face, he can choose to wake up and face the future world, without much of his money or friends or family. Cruise thinks about it and then makes the plunge, the plunge signifies the death of his fantasy life and the beginning of his new life, the future. Is this right? | ||
| Ron Thomas (Ronsupercar)
Member Username: Ronsupercar Post Number: 415 Registered: 5-2002 |
The car in question was infact a 250 gto replica built on a 76-79 Datson 240, 260 or 280z. (hard to tell with all that Fiberglass) Take a closer look.. I guess if some people here think it looked real, it wasn't a bad kit after all... | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 357 Registered: 10-2002 |
Well I suppose since it was a buggy 'dream' sequence the director can save his case by claiming, that the GTO suffered from a software bug as well, that made it look like a Datsun. ;-) | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 3360 Registered: 12-2000 |
Now would a bad 250 GTO replica that looked like a 275 GTB replica be a... oh never mind. | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 716 Registered: 8-2002 |
Jay, it is a GTO replica built on a Datsun/Nissan and very poorly done at that. It is neither a 275GTB nor 275GTB replica. | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Junior Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 215 Registered: 9-2002 |
That movie had a cheap cop-out ending... --Dan | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Intermediate Member Username: Jay Post Number: 1031 Registered: 10-2001 |
Andrew, I'm sure it was a 275 but I haven't watched the movie in a while. I'll see if it is on the dish again and watch it!  | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 515 Registered: 10-2001 |
Its was a GTO Replica not a 275 GTB replica..and it was a bad one too..I wonder why they used a replica instead of a real Ferrari? they obviously have the $$ to rent a nice classic Ferrari . A Real Daytona would have been much better . | ||
| J. Grande (Jay)
Intermediate Member Username: Jay Post Number: 1028 Registered: 10-2001 |
It wasn't a GTO is was a 275GTB | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 353 Registered: 10-2002 |
I can't take credit for figuring out myself as a friend of mine (huge movie buff) had to explain it to me: The movie is cutting back and forth in time as well as back and forth between reality and what is going on in Cruise's characters dreamworld running as a software program in his brain. "Cruise" actually is dead, he died outside her apartment on the street that night. Everything else is fiction, including the Diaz car crash. Watch it again and it actually makes sense. Just like the Matrix, some movies you really have to think over after watching them. Anyway, the GTO scene was a software bug in the script running in his head, that's why there weren't any other cars and people. Kinda neat, sometimes I wish that bug would happen on the Kennedy in rush hour... ...sorry for the off topic response | ||
| Todd (Tkrefeld)
Junior Member Username: Tkrefeld Post Number: 119 Registered: 11-2001 |
It was a rebodied datzun 280Z, you tell in the hatch/piller/strut area. | ||
| Gene Agatep (Gagatep)
Junior Member Username: Gagatep Post Number: 185 Registered: 8-2002 |
you have to be on the wacky tobacky to understand that movie | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1612 Registered: 8-2002 |
Andreas, no, i didn't figure that out, either... i thought the movie was very weird... i guess some things are just beyond me... (the entertainment industry being one of them )... Maybe you could shed some light for me...? Thanks... | ||
| Andreas Forrer (Tifosi12)
Member Username: Tifosi12 Post Number: 352 Registered: 10-2002 |
Somebody mentioned on here, that it was a replicar. Cool scene, isn't it? Did you figure out, why the streets are vacated? ;-) | ||
| ross koller (Ross)
Member Username: Ross Post Number: 620 Registered: 3-2002 |
finally got round to renting the video and apart from a couple of the scenes featuring the leading ladies, the best scene was tom cruise driving the 250gto through the empty streets of manhattan. anybody know whose car they used? looked very nice and perhaps some racing history. l wayne where are you? |