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| Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Stewart, That new shroud look sort of funky in the photo. That being said, painting it satin black would be the way to go IMHO. Anyway, I think you will get a lot of opinions tomorrow at the F1 Race Party. See you there! Willis | ||
| Stewart Chung (Navygakman)
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OK. Call this Diaper Light. I had this made from 14 gauge perforated stainless steel. The picture shows it as natural finish. I can keep it like this, or have it polished to match the Tubi, or I can powder paint it satin black. I like this better than the regular diaper. Opinions?  | ||
| Stewart Chung (Navygakman)
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That was the Beta Version of the "demi shroud" you saw Saturday. Today I revised it a bit and Beta 2.0 is being manufactured as we speak. The change being that the material will be thicker and of a perforated material a la challenge grille. Should be done by the end of the week ready for road test and will post a report + pix here. | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
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This happens with those "Cherry Bomb" glass-packs seen on muscle cars. The fiberglass packing eventually gets blown out. May be the same thing happening? | ||
| david schirmer (David)
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Stewart, you ought to post a picture of the new "demi shroud". Interesting approach. I liked it, even though I am on record for keeping it original. Survey says... Also, as far as the sound goes, I seem to remember someone posting that the Tubi goes through a break in period and the tone changes over time. Don't know if this is true or not. David | ||
| Sandra Cairncross (Sandrac)
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HA! I'm with David...keep it original baby! That shroud rusts though, doesn't it? I painted it twice with hitemp paint but finally had to have it powercoated because each time (and mind you, I sandblasted it all the way down each time!)it would rust after about 2 months, grrrrr! Did that 3 years ago and VIOLA, no more rust! | ||
| Stewart Chung (Navygakman)
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OK. Rick Lindsay sent me this. Euro, no diaper.  | ||
| Ben Lobenstein 90 TR (Benjet)
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from elsewhere on the net... http://members.home.net/gviss/Galleries/rear.htm -Ben | ||
| Stewart Chung (Navygakman)
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Those of us who don't fancy the look of the black rear shrouds/valence of the U.S. 308 calls it the "diaper". I am curious as to what the Euro 308 has in place of the diaper. Anyone out there has a picture of the rear end of a Euro 308 without the diaper? Would you post that here? Thanks | ||
| Gary Reed (Garyreed)
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I have already put back the shroud on my Tubi equipped 308 QV (the ruby red car in Stewart's post). It just looked too weird without it. The real way to go would be with a custom made partial shroud. I think Stewart's car does look better without a shroud than mine, since his Tubi is more of a vertical design. Mine is flatter and horizontal. I am very curious to hear differences in the sounds of the two cars. | ||
| Paul Sloan (Sloan83qv)
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Based on books I have the shroud was added to the US version because the cats were installed where the muffler was supposed to be thus moving the muffler further back. Most euro versions have a different rear valance panel as well (which changed several times over the years). It is my understanding that the shroud was a requirement of the US DOT along with the the ugly front bumper, bench seat rear bumper and increased ride height of US cars. IMHO the shroud should stay off but then I have a Borla and no shroud! | ||
| Peter Boray (Gts308qv)
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Do US spec QV's have a shroud ? The picture of Stewart Chungs seems to have. My GTS QV is Australian spec which I think is the same as Euro. No shroud but a section as part of the lower rear valance which hides half the Muffler and has cut outs for the twin tips to exit. This looks neater than a shroud and still shows off the exhaust. | ||
| Eric Hawley (Eric)
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Stewart, put the shroud back on. It looks unfinished without. Can't wait to hear it. | ||
| Stewart Chung (Navygakman)
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Mark - I think the shroud is not so much to improve cooling but a protection against someone touching the hot muffler by accident?? | ||
| Stewart Chung (Navygakman)
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Don: Yes, it is against the law (I don't know if it is State law or EPA law, you would :-) for muffler shops to replace cats with test pipes. But in my case I did not have cats to start with so they did not have to "take out" any cats. I should add that, they took a lot of pride in the installation. It was their highlight of the month to put a $2,000 muffler in a Ferrari. Since they normally work on Chevy Novas or cars like that. That was my initial reasoning to take it to a place like Midas. If I had taken it to a specialty F-shop, my car would be just a "cheap 308" in a sea of Modenas and Testarossas. | ||
| Mark (Mnmark)
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Does the shroud provide cooling capacity, granted, at a marginal level? Many things on Ferrari are functional as well as aesthetic. I guess I relate it to the perforated 'shroud'/handguard on truck stacks and on machine-gun barrels. | ||
| Don Norton (Litig8r)
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Stewart - I always thought that muffler places wouldn't remove any smog equipment. Did they give you ay hassle about taking out your cats? | ||
| Stewart Chung (Navygakman)
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Jeff: I went with Nick's test pipes. No cats. It sounds different from Gary's, mine is a deeper sound and not as loud (I think...) But I want to do a side by side sound test. As well as a "fly-by" to see how they differ. Here a pix showing the test pipes.  | ||
| Jeff Fiedler (Muck)
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Stewart, did you go with cats- test pipes- or noncat system, I say leave it off for a couple weeks show it off. Hows it sound? I know Garys sounds awsome. Any different sound between the carbed 2 vavle and injected 4 vavle? JEFF | ||
| Stewart Chung (Navygakman)
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I took it to, of all places, Midas! Glad I did not try to do this myself, seeing what they had to do, wrestle the old Anza out of there, and then wrestle the other pipes in, it was certainly a lot easier to have a lift instead of crawling under. Also, a muffler shop is equipped with all the gaskets, bolts, etc. in case you need it. If I did it myself, I would need to make runs to the hardware store. It took them maybe an hour plus, did a great job. Charged me only $60 labor. It would take me probably an entire day if DIY!!  | ||
| Warren E. Smith (Magoo)
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Shroud on. Looks unfinished without the shroud. Also the shroud makes the car look lower to the ground and more exotic. | ||
| stu cordova (Balataboy)
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I agree! Shroud back on, please! BTW - did you purchase your Tubi from Nick? If so, please tell me how that was and did you install it yourself? Thanks | ||
| Vincent Canipelli (Gtbivc)
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Shroud on!!! | ||
| KH (H00kem)
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shroud on...looks much better | ||
| Tom Antal (Intenso)
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Shroud on. Sometimes it's more sexy to just see part of something, and then wonder what is underneath. | ||
| Craig Dewey (Craigfl)
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I think Tubis should be heard & not seen. I vote for the shroud... | ||
| Herbert Edward Gault (Irfgt)
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I like it with the shroud. It makes people wonder what the hell is behind it. | ||
| david schirmer (David)
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Shroud on. That way there's just a hint of what's inside. Of course once you fire it up there really is no doubt... You know me, keepin' it original David | ||
| Randy (Schatten)
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I like it without the shroud. The chrome just sticks out too much and there isn't anything else that is chromed on the car to compliment it. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
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On the red one it look kind of funky. On the yellow it looks okay. Strange. I think the rear cover is missing. Maybe you can get a modified one that has greater slots to expose more of the Tubi. It looks too.......japanese? | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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I like it exposed. | ||
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| Stewart Chung (Navygakman)
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Gary Reed, and now myself, both have Tubi exhausts on our 308s. As you know, the Tubi is finished in beautiful polished stainless steel. But you cannot see any of that after the rear shroud is back on the car. We are contemplating leaving the rear shrouds off and have the Tubi exposed. What do you think? Opinions please! |