| Author | Message | ||
| Dr. Shelbee (Shelbee)
Junior Member Username: Shelbee Post Number: 229 Registered: 12-2002 |
One of club members here just got them both  Congratulations | ||
| EFWUN (Efwun)
Junior Member Username: Efwun Post Number: 201 Registered: 2-2003 |
Nah, Jim, I don't have a GT2, had a 993 and 993 Turbo, then succession of wonderful 355s and now the car of my life so far, an '01 550. Perhaps the upcoming 420M Modena (?) will answer all our questions!! | ||
| Jim Gress (Jim_g)
New member Username: Jim_g Post Number: 4 Registered: 1-2003 |
I didn't write to diss any GT2 owners or Porsche owners for that matter I have a 996 TT with X50 option that I drive daily (when its not nice enough to drive my Spyder). Good luck with your GT2 I just think that Ferrari built the Stradale to compete against heavier AWD 500hp Gellardo and didn't even aim for the GT2. I can't wait for my Stradale to arrive but I'm like this every year I have something new coming. | ||
| EFWUN (Efwun)
Junior Member Username: Efwun Post Number: 195 Registered: 2-2003 |
Oh, sorry, Good luck with your Stradale, I am jealous!! | ||
| EFWUN (Efwun)
Junior Member Username: Efwun Post Number: 192 Registered: 2-2003 |
Hence, my post saying that around a road course, the Stradale v. GT2 would be an interesting dice. Just don't try a GT2 in a straight line. | ||
| Jim Gress (Jim_g)
New member Username: Jim_g Post Number: 3 Registered: 1-2003 |
I have to totally disagree with anyone that thinks a GT2 especially stock right out of the box could trounce a stock Stradale on any road course or in a straight line for that matter since the Stradale has Launch control. The power to weight ratio of a Stradale is around 6.19 lb per hp and the GT2 is 6.52. Add to that, the Stradale corners at 1.3 G's comparing to .99 G for the Porsche (see Ferrari owners site)the Fcar produces something in excess of 700 pounds of downforce at 180 mph comparing to around 100 for the Porsche make this race under any circumstances a rout, as a matter of fact I would say that NO roadcar currently for sale in the US could even keep a Stradale in there sights on any winding road. You people are basically comparing a car that has superior aerodynamics then even the Modena's racing at Lemans to a albeit very fast street car. Wait for the magazines to come out the Stradale is going to be the track king for a long time to come. Mine should be here in Feb. | ||
| Vince (Manatee)
Junior Member Username: Manatee Post Number: 172 Registered: 6-2002 |
Congratulations, Dean. You made a fine choice. Drive those cars in good health. | ||
| Dr. Shelbee (Shelbee)
Junior Member Username: Shelbee Post Number: 103 Registered: 12-2002 |
Kuzman, Congratulations on your 360. It is an excellent choice. Just be careful. 360 is superfast and lightening speed of acceleration. It goes to 130 miles in seconds but feels only 50 mph. Pay extra attention behind the wheels. Also look at the side mirror and rear mirror of avoiding other cars getting too close to your 360 since it is an eye catcher. You will love it. The V12 will then grow on you after owning V8 for a while Again congratulations for the right decision. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 725 Registered: 10-2002 |
If anyone is serious about a new GT2 Email me. Silver, racing seats, ceramic brakes. Euro Federalized. | ||
| EFWUN (Efwun)
Junior Member Username: Efwun Post Number: 63 Registered: 2-2003 |
I met Rehan (another poster on this site) to swap wheels today, and he said the same thing. Dean, can you define "deal" on a GT2? Around here, seems like they still want mega-dollars. | ||
| Dean (Deanger)
New member Username: Deanger Post Number: 10 Registered: 2-2003 |
Dr. Shelbee -- The GT2's shifter/tranny/feel is far far far different than ANY of the Turbo's I've had before. I'd go so far as to say it was revolutionary as far as Porsche shifting feel is concerned. If you don't believe me, ask other 996 GT2 owners. It ruins the 996TT for anyone who uses it. The clutch is also totally different -- with a perfectly progessive take-up. Again, shatters my 993TT's (2), my 993 4S, and 996TT (even with mods). The clutch in the 996TT has zero feel, in the GT2 totally the opposite. I don't know if fellow F car owners that I know here in so cal who have driven the GT2 are on this board (Jack, Amir?) but they will back me up on this one, as will most shops like By Design. It is no accident Ruf uses the GT2 tranny in the Rturbo. For those of you who can get their hands on a GT2, which are huge bargains right now, I strongly urge you to consider it. Afterall 164 came to the US, less than 400 worldwide, and believe me, it is a real real real Porsche. Just make sure you know how to drive without AWD and any drivers' aids. | ||
| Kuzman (Kzma)
New member Username: Kzma Post Number: 3 Registered: 3-2003 |
I believe I am in a similar situation as Dr Shelby prior to him switching to Ferraris. I looked into trading my 97 Twin Turbo S for a 03 GT2 late last year, but could not pull the trigger. First of all I have never gotten used to the 996 iteration of the 911. Gone are the days of the true air cooled Porsche 911s (and a sad day it was  . If you look at the fit and finish of the interior of my TT S and compare it with even the top of the line interiors of the new Turbos, there really is no comparison. Just can't beat the hand finished quality. My 360 Modena arrives this weekend, and I'm scared that I might find the lure of Ferraris too overwhelming! Since I now have 2 pure sports cars.........could a true GT be not to far in the future? | ||
| Dr. Shelbee (Shelbee)
Junior Member Username: Shelbee Post Number: 102 Registered: 12-2002 |
Hi Dean, I had the same experience with 6 Porsches I owned in the past. No GT2, but after I thought about it, regardless GT2, Turbo, Boxster or Cayenne when you shift the gear, does it feel like you are shifting a "plastic stick"?? I also think the clutch is a joke on a Porsche. Not assuming being a "d**k" but I switched from owning 2 P at the same time to the current cars I have now. I won't look back. Bye Bye Ferdinant Porsche and long live Enzo I missed the practicality about Porsche though but Ferrari is Ferrari, no substitute | ||
| Dr. Shelbee (Shelbee)
Junior Member Username: Shelbee Post Number: 101 Registered: 12-2002 |
Dave, just strickly my opinion and no offense to 456 or 456 M owner. I test drove the 456, although it is a V12, it is not a sports car. I gives you a feel like a big engine Mercedes, like CL 600. Fast but slow. I love the appearance and beauty about 456 (the only flip up headlight Ferrari I like) but 4 seats give you convenience, especailly when you reach 60s and you want to take your grandkids on a Ferrari. Since I am still single, there is no need for 4 seater sports car. Why anybody want to buy 4 seater M5?? Does not make sense. Again just me. If I have to choose for my third Ferrari, it will be 575M F1, not Stradale, not 360 Spyder. For sure I love my Maranello | ||
| EFWUN (Efwun)
Junior Member Username: Efwun Post Number: 60 Registered: 2-2003 |
Lap times might be another story entirely, as the standard, non-Fiorano 550 is quicker around most race tracks than the standard Turbo, and the 360, although slower than the 550 in a straight line, is quicker around most tracks than the 550. See, e.g., Road and Track. Stradale v. GT2 at a road course? Hmmmmm . . . . . . | ||
| EFWUN (Efwun)
Junior Member Username: Efwun Post Number: 59 Registered: 2-2003 |
Should probably ask Dean, but remember, horsepower sells motors, while torque wins races. The GT2 has 400+ lb/ft of torque, while the Stradale will have around 290lb/ft. Also, the GT2 about 150lbs lighter than the lightest Stradale (with plastic sliding side windows). I love Ferraris, but I'm pretty sure the GT2 is significantly faster than almost anything out there, including Vipers, 550s, Murcielagos, and the Stradale. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Intermediate Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 1169 Registered: 8-2001 |
I wouldn't write off the Stradale so soon without seeing a head-to-head contest and lap time data. | ||
| EFWUN (Efwun)
New member Username: Efwun Post Number: 44 Registered: 2-2003 |
Unfortunately for us "ferraristi", the GT2 will eat the Stradale alive. I spoke with Werner at Miller, and he told me the car will save ~200lbs over the Modena, and have 420hp. The listed curb weight is 3,1k and change. Also, significantly less torque than the GT2. The Stradale may be a wonderful V-8 Ferrari experience, but the GT2 will clobber it, as it clobbers almost anything out there with wheels, save the F50 and McLaren. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Intermediate Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 1168 Registered: 8-2001 |
How about GT2 vs 360 Challenge Stradale? Both are stripped down versions of the standard cars and it's probably a more equal comparison. | ||
| EFWUN (Efwun)
New member Username: Efwun Post Number: 43 Registered: 2-2003 |
Dean, your conclusions are, in my opinion, spot on! The Maranellos are not darty, sharp sporty cars, as are the 360 and the GT2. The Maranello is brutal and luxurious all at the same time, perhaps with the accent on brutality. The V-12 song is incomparable. In choosing a "hair shirt" hard-edged sports car, I can't imagine a better choice than the GT2, with the Modena a close second. I think you made some erudite choices. | ||
| les brun (Labcars)
Junior Member Username: Labcars Post Number: 56 Registered: 1-2003 |
Dave, you maybe right, but think SOUND! The differences are remarkable for me. That 12 sound is awesome. While I love and have them both, if I had to pick just one, the sound of the 550 would seal the deal for me. | ||
| Dean (Deanger)
New member Username: Deanger Post Number: 9 Registered: 2-2003 |
Here's more on why I made my choice... (long) I have been a Porsche "guy" since I was about 5 years old. I love the way they look, drive...etc. This is not to say I didn't love F cars, of course I did. But Porsche passion came first. Recently, I started exploring making the move to being a Ferrari nut, or I should say, being BOTH a Porsche nut and a Ferrari nut. Like I said before, I drove all the current cars except for the 456 -- I also rented a few 355's on the advice of someone I trust and has done the same. If I didn't have the GT2, I might very well have done a Modena because it is a high-octane experience in every way. However, and I am not trying to start a war here, the 360 does not compare to the GT2 when it comes to driving hard and fast. Nothing I can afford does. The GT2 is a car that has been much-maligned as dangerous...etc. It is not at all. It is the only Porsche available right now that still feels like a Porsche. So, the 360 suffered because of the GT2. The Maranello did not. I loved it -- looks, style, and yes, the drive. Not nimble and explosive like the 360, but brutal, almost like a muscle car. And the F1 in the 575 was much nicer than I thought it would be. Frankly, I would probably have done a 6-speed if I didn't have the GT2, but since I do I also like the contrast of F1 in the Ferrari to stick in the Porsche. I plan to drive the 575M a lot, use it almost as daily-driver. I honestly don't think I'll be taking it to the track more than once, I intend to use it as a real GT. At the end of the day, THAT is reason I went for the 575M, it is a real world-class traveling car. | ||
| Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
Member Username: Davewapinski Post Number: 502 Registered: 8-2001 |
I will wait for a year or two to really learn about Ferraris and then drive/compare the two. Generally the 4 seaters are more subdued than the 2 seaters. Curious, how does the 456 compare to the 575M? Some people are converting the 456 to convertibles. Are they doing that to the 575M also? Thanks, Dave | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1861 Registered: 9-2001 |
575M all day long. | ||
| Dr. Shelbee (Shelbee)
Junior Member Username: Shelbee Post Number: 100 Registered: 12-2002 |
Dave, Easier said than done. Just try them both, or perhaps own them both to be able to say and experience with each of them. Statistics is just the number. Performance and experience behind the wheel is the key | ||
| Dave Wapinski (Davewapinski)
Member Username: Davewapinski Post Number: 500 Registered: 8-2001 |
I do not fully understand the conclusions. I can understand the 12 for history, more trunk, less attention, less common, etc. When people have said that every successful person should own a 12 once in their life, I have asked why. The answer I have been given is acceltration. I have been told that acceltration is the result of torque. It seems that Ferrari has achieved the 12 experience with the 360. From Ferrari NA, the 575M goes from 0 to 62 in 4.2 seconds. The 360 Spider 4.6 sec and the 360 Modena in 4.5 seconds. Is one really going to feel less than 1/2 sec in a non-racing situration? From 0 to 400 meters, 575M 12.25 sec. 360 Spider 12.7 sec 0-1,000 meters 575M 21.9 sec 360 Spider 23.1 sec It seems like driver technique could make this much difference. Can one really feel this difference??? It seems like the other factors above would be more important. | ||
| Dr. Shelbee (Shelbee)
Junior Member Username: Shelbee Post Number: 99 Registered: 12-2002 |
I agree Alex, Owning and driving a V12 makes me feel driving a V8 "weak", just not enough torque. I might trade my 360 with the 575M F1 while keep the 550. | ||
| Alex Papas (Alexpapas)
New member Username: Alexpapas Post Number: 7 Registered: 2-2003 |
Great choice! I'm lucky enough to have both a 575M and a 360 Modena. I think (after 9 Ferraris and counting) that the 575 is the best thing to come out of Ferrari ever. They are different in every way, but at the end of the day there will be many 360's around (and mostly spiders) and they really are Ferrari's "entry level" car. If you could buy one at MSRP then go for it, but for similar money (+-) $250K get the 12 cylinder. Everyone should own a twelve at least once in their life! | ||
| Eddie Lee (Lee168)
New member Username: Lee168 Post Number: 17 Registered: 1-2003 |
Dean, good pick! Put it in sport mode, stomp on the gas and hold on! It will scratch tires with just about every F1 gear change! Intoxicating. The only complaint I have is that the "launch control" has been disabled for the US spec cars. Also, get the Fiorano Handling Package. When and where will you get it? | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 627 Registered: 8-2001 |
Congrats Dean, great pick. | ||
| Dean (Deanger)
New member Username: Deanger Post Number: 8 Registered: 2-2003 |
Thanks for all the opinions. I went for the 575M. Drove 360, 360 Spyder, manual and f1, 550 and 575M. I think the 360 coupe is awesome, but the GT2 is better and similar. The Spyder... just didn't do it for me in either 6 speed of f1. The 550 and the 575M are very similar cars, but I found the 575M f1 to be the perfect compliment to the GT2 -- very different but equally fantastic driving experiences. Thus 575M F1 it is. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 2461 Registered: 8-2002 |
575M | ||
| Dr. Shelbee (Shelbee)
Junior Member Username: Shelbee Post Number: 89 Registered: 12-2002 |
It is all about confidence and know what you want in life I have got my Modena first before Maranello came in to my garage. | ||
| Ming Cheng (Onlinesys)
Junior Member Username: Onlinesys Post Number: 202 Registered: 5-2002 |
I had a few friends who owned a lot of cars(talking about 10+) including at least 3 F-cars each tends to have the following trend: 308 to 512bb or 328/348 to TR/512TR or 355 to 456/550 and 360 to 575M. Anything to do with age or wealth?! | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Junior Member Username: Psk Post Number: 173 Registered: 11-2002 |
Well as Dr. Shelbee owns a 360 and a 550, and he says go for the v12 ... we have the answer. Also the 550 is better looking IMO than the 575 (which has ugly headlights). Thus go for the 550. Pete | ||
| Dr. Shelbee (Shelbee)
Junior Member Username: Shelbee Post Number: 81 Registered: 12-2002 |
V12 is the way to go  | ||
| EFWUN (Efwun)
New member Username: Efwun Post Number: 25 Registered: 2-2003 |
Also, I think "tifosi" are the rabid Ferrari F/1 fans; the ones who climb the billboards and sit 60feet up for a better glimpse of the Scuderia in action. I think we're "Ferraristi" or somesuch nonsense!! Everyone's entitled to an opinion, but I think the consensus is that the Maranello is "timeless." | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 334 Registered: 9-2002 |
Didn't Forza refer to the 550 as 'The Finest Ferrary' in issue 33? --Dan | ||
| Racer 001 (Mr_0011)
Member Username: Mr_0011 Post Number: 515 Registered: 3-2002 |
I agree with EFWUN... the Maranello's are all ready classics as far as I'm concerned. | ||
| EFWUN (Efwun)
New member Username: Efwun Post Number: 23 Registered: 2-2003 |
Gee, Neal . . . . The 550 is already considered a "timeless" beauty by many, including people like Paul Frere. A front-engine V-12 Berlinetta "unloved?" Seems kind of an odd attack. | ||
| neal (95spiderneal)
Junior Member Username: 95spiderneal Post Number: 87 Registered: 3-2002 |
the pcar gt2 is already a coupe so you obviously need a convertible so get the 360 spider. problem arises that gt2 is fairly extreme and so is the 360 so i recommend also getting 600 hp mercedes from other thread for comfort/cruising and forget the 550/575 that in long run will be unloved by tifosi as was mondial, 365 four seater, etc | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 598 Registered: 10-2001 |
How about a used 550 + a used 355 ? | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Junior Member Username: Psk Post Number: 164 Registered: 11-2002 |
Racer001, Yes it would be awesome, but isn't the 420 (or whatever it is going to be called) going to be a v12 or 10 and thus address this only 8 cylinder issue. Pete ps: I have heard of atleast one 308 with a 365GT/4 v12 in her ... must be quite a view under that engine cover. | ||
| Racer 001 (Mr_0011)
Member Username: Mr_0011 Post Number: 507 Registered: 3-2002 |
V12 308's always impressed me... How much do you think a 360 w/ a 5.75L V12 transplant would cost? Sounds like an cool project... | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Junior Member Username: Psk Post Number: 163 Registered: 11-2002 |
I think it is an interesting discussion about whether a 575 will out invest a 360 in the future. In the past Ferraris that are the most fun and exciting have become the ones that hold their value not the practical ones, witness the 2+2s versus their 2 seater sporty counterparts. Thus other than the fact that the 360 does not have a v12, I can see it being more sellable than the civilised 575. Everyday practicality is not what you look for when you buy an old Ferrari, which is what we are talking about with 'investment' ability of both in a few years time. Thus I think only time will tell, and maybe the different production volumes will not make such a big difference, because Ferrari made less 2+2s and now they are not as sorted after ... What would I choose? It really depends on what fix you are after, thus I would buy the 360 Coupe ... if I was forced at gun point to buying NEW. If allowed to make my own choose there is NO way I would buy new and I would by a Daytona or an early Boxer, or a 275GTB if I could stretch that far. There are so many awesome classic Ferraris that I am amazed that they can sell the new ones ... I guess that there are only so many old Ferraris that eventually some have to buy new. Note: I am not running down the new ones, just when you think Daytona versus 360 or 575, come on the Daytona is raw and streets ahead in every area except performance (who can use it all anyway), practicality and safety Pete | ||
| Mike Procopio (Pupz308)
Junior Member Username: Pupz308 Post Number: 119 Registered: 10-2002 |
Dean, regarding your quintessential Ferrari experience, that's pretty much impossible to answer! For many, probably including Enzo Ferrari himself, the quintessential Ferrari experience is one where you've got 12 cylinders in front of you (and not eight cylinders behind you). But there is something to be said for the timeless experience cruising around in an open-aired (read: GTS or spyder) model, with eight cylinders BEHIND you. This distinction is, in my opinion, an irreconcilable dichotomy in the Ferrari experience. Everybody's got their opinion on which is better, but it is based largely on preference, since there is no true objective answer here. Me personally, I pay homage to the 12-cyl engine in front, but I would still do a 355/360 over a 550--it's just more my style... I do think the 550 is more comfortable in general, though. --Mike | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 327 Registered: 9-2002 |
Dean, Nice to see you here too! You're everywhere. My vote goes to the 550/575 with a cargraphic exhaust. The GT2 is hard enough, get something refined / proper GT. --Dan | ||
| EFWUN (Efwun)
New member Username: Efwun Post Number: 17 Registered: 2-2003 |
550/575 with stebro center pipe to replace the muffler and crossover, and Tubi without silencers. Beautiful V-12 sound, real power, and a true Ferrari experience. The 355 and 360 are wonderful cars, (had 2) but the V-12 differentiates the car from anything else, provided you let the sound out. | ||
| Dean (Deanger)
New member Username: Deanger Post Number: 2 Registered: 2-2003 |
Wow -- Great answers. I think if the 360 Spyder looked like the 355 then it would be easy, but I am not in love with the looks of the 360, and I am in love with the looks of the 575. You can go on down the line, 360 Spyder wins in some, 575 in others. Getting a 355 and a 550 is a nice idea. I am trying to figure out what is the best stablemate to the GT2 -- which is a terrific car. I guess it is a nice decision to have. My worry with the 360 Spyder is 5 years from now (doubt I'd keep it that long, but just in case) it might look silly as opposed to classic. Let me ask this related question: Which of the two 550./575 or 360 Spyder do you think provides the quintessential Ferrari experience? | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 3840 Registered: 5-2001 |
I have a 575M for sale: 2002, F1, red/tan with 550 Miles. One owner (obviously), delivery Nov 2002. $ 225,000 maybe less! (list $233,000) immediately! | ||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 324 Registered: 10-2002 |
The 360 is a beauty, but it is a 575 (and 456 for 4-seaters) for me! The magical mystique of a V12. The noble modesty of a Maranello gentleman. The silky smoothness of a swan. And the hidden powers of a rumbling volcano. | ||
| Eddie Lee (Lee168)
New member Username: Lee168 Post Number: 7 Registered: 1-2003 |
As a previous owner of the 360 and a current owner of a 575 (w/Fiorano handling package), my personal opinion is as follows: Styling: 575. It's more enduring than that of the 360. However, if I were 10 years younger, it could be a toss up. Power: 575. I often joked about how the 575 made my 360 felt anemic (exaggeration, of course). Transmission: The F1 shifter of the 575 is much better than that of the 360. I don't know about the manual 6-speed, however. Handling: 360. The 360 (coupe) that I had felt sharper. In fact, I would even go as far as saying that it could out perform the Alex Zanardi NSX I had previously as well. The 575 (even w/the Fiorano handling package and in the Sport mode) felt heavy and is not as crisp. I felt more confident pushing the 360. Public attention factor: 360. And more with the 360 spyder (I believe). More glances will be given to the 360. Again, from a longer term perspective, I found that the design of the 360 to be more "radical" and less enduring compared with that of the 575. Overall sensation of ownership: It's difficult to say. Both are great cars, but with different personalities. If I had to choose one, then the idea of owning the Ferrari with a big, powerful engine epitomizes the ownership experience! 575M Maranello! | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 553 Registered: 10-2001 |
575 M for sure ...too many 360's around. Rosso Corsa with racing seats , scuderia shields , red calipers , fiorano package , and 6 speed manual ..oh an d Tubi exhausts . | ||
| Dr. Shelbee (Shelbee)
Junior Member Username: Shelbee Post Number: 62 Registered: 12-2002 |
If you are a true Ferrari fan, get a front engine V12 Ferrari for comfort, stability, speed. If you are liking styling V8 open air driving, off course 360 Spyder is much nicer and more practical than 550 barchetta. I like 550 better than 360. But I like acceleration on 360 with F1 shifter Perhaps get both 575 M and 360 spyder. So no confusion. Enzo should be next on the list. | ||
| Robert (Rjklein4470)
Junior Member Username: Rjklein4470 Post Number: 227 Registered: 3-2002 |
I say get the 575 you will be happier in the long run. The 360 gets so much attention, and you will have no privacy with the top down. You will have people asking you questions all the time with the spider. I have a 360 and love the car, but it gets attention. My next ferrari will be a GT car. Rob Klein | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 932 Registered: 6-2001 |
Dean: If the money isn't a big deal get what you want. If the money is important, get the 360. Art | ||
| Ming Cheng (Onlinesys)
Junior Member Username: Onlinesys Post Number: 176 Registered: 5-2002 |
Yes, I agree with Jeff. If you could afford a brand new 575M, get a 355 spider and 97-98 550 would probably satisfy all the needs! I personally prefer the 550/575 and I will probably trade in my 456 for one once I could afford it. Cheers | ||
| Jeff (Jeff_m)
Junior Member Username: Jeff_m Post Number: 76 Registered: 9-2002 |
All this talk of V8 vs V12 and low end torque vs. high end, the bottom line on the peformance of these two cars is that they are almost equal. Do you want top up or top down, that is the question!Or perhaps a 355 spider and a 98 550 for the same price! | ||
| Vince (Manatee)
Junior Member Username: Manatee Post Number: 127 Registered: 6-2002 |
I'd go with the 575. The low-end torque from that V-12 IS something to write home about compared to having to keep the 360 in the proper rev range. The engine note of the 360 is sweet. I agree with Hugh, They are two different cars. the 360 is more "tossable" but the 575 feels rock solid and gets to warp speeds without muss or fuss. | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 708 Registered: 12-2001 |
Although i agree with much of the advise here about the respective attributes of the cars (leave the open car aspect out of the equation for the moment, cause it just adds another variable), the conclusions people reach about which car to buy, between a 360 and 550/575 speak more to their preferences than yours. You should drive both cars, and more than once, if possible, before buying. If you do go for the front engined 12, i think you are wasting your money on the 575, just buy a late 550, which is waaay cheaper, and spend the difference on an open car. (I've had two 550's, one currently being the barchetta, and even though it is luxe and powerful and has huge charisma, it probably wouldn't satisfy those drivers who want the more lithe, wired experience of the 360). You should also get the dope on ferrari shops in your area, because whether or not you buy the car locally, you will have to have it serviced nearby, and that's a pretty important part of the equation: learn who to trust... | ||
| Robert J. Steinhagen (Bob)
New member Username: Bob Post Number: 5 Registered: 1-2003 |
Folks, I too am trying to make the decision on my first F-Car. (360 Vs 550)I have never seen a car web site in which opinions are stated so professionally and well spoken. Thank you for all of your answers. I know I appreciate it! | ||
| Jim Veres (Jimveres)
New member Username: Jimveres Post Number: 11 Registered: 3-2002 |
I guess I'll chime in here. I've never owned a 550 but I have owned a 456 and they do have some similar qualities. My first Ferrari was a 328 GTS. My second was a black '95 456 GT. I traded the 456 in on a red 360 F1 Spider. I found the 456 to be the best "every day driver". It was comfortable, had seating for 3 (my seat was all the way back), a real trunk, and only attracted attention from people that actually knew something about Ferraris. The 360 Spider is the worst daily driver of the three as the trunk is pretty much non-existant (I have the optional spare tire) and it attracts all kinds of attention. On the other hand there is something magic about putting the top down and taking an interesting drive on a warm and sunny day. The torque provided by the 456 was intoxicating and could be had at any time by just pressing the accelerator. The car also drive great around town. The 360 is fast (almost scary fast) but the speed is achieved via revs. If you're looking for an everyday driver that you can use for weekend trips, to go to Home Depot, and to fetch groceries then I'd recommend the 550/575. If you're looking for an incredibly fun toy for top down driving and don't need to fetch things like luggage, groceries, etc, then get the 360 Spider. You can't really go too far wrong with either purchase. Cheers, Jim V. | ||
| Tyler (Bahiaau)
Member Username: Bahiaau Post Number: 502 Registered: 12-2001 |
575. It is just such a beautiful car. | ||
| Nebula Class (Nebulaclass)
Junior Member Username: Nebulaclass Post Number: 194 Registered: 11-2002 |
Go drive both of them, then choose. Personally, I'd pick the 575, or 550. I could care less about the F1 in the Maranello. The gated 6-speed is fine for me. The one thing that REALLY sticks out in my head in regards to driving the two, is that the 550 seemed heavier, in a good way. There was a lot mor torque, the engine was smooth as silk, and I felt me "secure." The 360, on the other hand, sticks out because of the engine note. Trust me....you have not heard an engine until you hear the 360 at 8000rpms. The car drives totally different than each other, but I would not kick either out of my garage if I found 'em there. | ||
| les brun (Labcars)
New member Username: Labcars Post Number: 10 Registered: 1-2003 |
Steve, it's a beautiful thing that Ferrari makes a car (or two?)for everyone!! Did note on your profile that all of your "cars wanted" are 12 cylinders, though (smile). | ||
| Todd (Tkrefeld)
Junior Member Username: Tkrefeld Post Number: 129 Registered: 11-2001 |
Have to go w/ spider I have an obsession with 12 cyl Ferrari, but the 360 spider....WOW | ||
| Steven J. Solomon (Solly)
Member Username: Solly Post Number: 449 Registered: 6-2001 |
I disagree with most of you. I drove the 550 a few times (though not a 575), and while I loved it, I think the 360 is much more cutting edge and sharper. I also think it looks better, more like a "Ferrari". While I would love any F-car, I did have a choice betwen the 2, chose the 360 spider, and have never regretted it. Also- the whole 12 cylinder argument is getting silly. Ferrari had many successful 6 cylinder and 8 cylinder racers, including some outstanding F-1 cars. I'm sure they had access to the 12 for these cars, but chose the others for a reason. All are terrific engines and fabulously well made. I personally feel that a 246 Dino embodies "Ferrariness" more than many 12's (like the "wonderful" 400 series). | ||
| Racer 001 (Mr_0011)
Member Username: Mr_0011 Post Number: 493 Registered: 3-2002 |
I'd buy a 360 Modena six speed... I don't think I've ever heard such a wonderful engine... Not that the Maranello isn't great, but IMHO, you get more for your money with the 360... The Spider is even better, but I'm not such a fan of the soft top after seeing it in person a few times... With the top down though... it's a different story... | ||
| les brun (Labcars)
New member Username: Labcars Post Number: 9 Registered: 1-2003 |
OK, I gotta chime in. I think we are agreeing, tacitly or otherwise, that in the short term, the 360 Spider is a better "investment", but longer term, the 550's rarity, 12 cylinders, and 275GTB lineage will help reserve value. In fact, I think for a longer term investment, buying a 550 now is as good and "investment" as you could make, as over time values will level out, if not increase somewhat as the economy recovers. Right now, there's no doubt that there are those who will pay a substantial premium on the 360 Spider. I sold my '02 360 F1 Spider for A WHOLE LOT MORE than I paid for it to a guy in Las Vegas who clearly had some one he wanted to impress, since he knew next to nothing about the car, but had to have it. Just sold my '03 360 6speed (I got it because I didn't like the F1 shifter), again for much more than I paid, but interestingly, less of a premium than I got for the '02, as the market has already begun to soften. I don't think the reduced premium was related to the F1/6speed issue, but rather, according to several dealers, the softenning of the market in general. The point of telling you all this is that I didn't shed a tear, or have a moment's hesitation about selling the 360's and keeping my '01 550. I believe that the 550 will ultimately be a collector choice ( the best V12 GT ever??), whereas the 360 will ultimately suffer the fate of the 355, i.e., great car, but lots of them around. Just MHO. | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 487 Registered: 1-2002 |
Dean- To begin with, any attempt a concise comparison b/w the 360 spyder, and 575 coupe, will be inherantly inadequate, and flawed; the two cars are worlds apart, and suit differnt tastes, and driving styles. But, I'll drop a penny in the bucket (opinons are like...) I would say that if you get a 575 it MUST have the fiorano handling pkg., otherwise, you'll be making a poor decision buying a new 575 over a used 550; by all published accounts, the 575 (with the std. suspension) is outhandled and outperformed by the 550 (why pay for the new & improved if it falls short?) Futher, the power increase, while not trival, is not, in my eyes, that dramatic, and not really worth (bang for buck) the added expense of buying the car new MSRP. Frankly, I'd get a used 550 (if it suits your needs and wants), and call it a day. Again, the 360 spyder is an entirely different car; quick, agile, open top, etc., but it has a different feel when compared to the 550; it doesn't have the torque, the weight, the styling, etc., and by Frank's account isn't really a Ferrari (I don't agree, but..) It all boils down to what you intend to use the car for, how you drive, what you expect out of a car, etc. You need to answer those questions, by yourself, and then buy the car that comes close. Frank, Your boxer is a mid-engine cart, by your adhesion to tradition, shouldn't the horse PULL the cart, not push it? | ||
| J.D. Smythe (Jeff)
Junior Member Username: Jeff Post Number: 137 Registered: 2-2001 |
Dean Here's my 2 cents. Buy the 360 Spider. Twice I had the opportunity to buy a 575 instead of my 360 Spider. Don't believe all the hype on the 575. Not all dealers have a 2 year wait and there is no premium on the cars. Here's a good litmus test. Ask a dealer the same question you've asked us. If FNA told a dealer he could buy one extra car this month. Where would he put his money? I bet on 360 Spider. Read the latest Robb Report. They picked the "Car of the year". The 575 came in 3rd which is not important here. But the article did say you could expect a six figure depreciation in 2 years. Losing a $100K or more on any kind of purchase(investment)does not sound good to me. This type of loss is not happening on the Spider. Before I get any flames on "you never buy a car for an investment..." Here's MY philosphy on life. Everything you do in life is an "investment" You put something out(money, time,etc) and expect something in return. So for me, a 360 Spider has a better return than a 575. I believe I would enjoy both cars about the same and financially I come out ahead with the Spider. Once again, this is just my 2 cents. | ||
| Jeff (Jeff_m)
Junior Member Username: Jeff_m Post Number: 75 Registered: 9-2002 |
I don't know how you could beat the spider for sheer pleasure-fun factor. The 550 like the porsche 928, to me is the gentlemans car.If resale is even a factor a new 575 will drop faster than anything else due to the high msrp. 550's can be had for as low as 115 these days if thats any indication. As far as the Barchetta, not exactly in the same league and not to practical without a top. | ||
| ELI (Titanium360)
Member Username: Titanium360 Post Number: 290 Registered: 4-2002 |
the modena spider gets my vote any day. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1743 Registered: 9-2001 |
Willis, I know the 360 is a fine motorcar. I have just still not warmed up to its looks. I loved the 550 the first time I laid eyes on it though. All Italian cars are fun. My old Fiat 1800 Spyder was a BLAST. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Intermediate Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 1110 Registered: 8-2001 |
Frank, I agree with that assessment. In the long haul, the 550/575 will hold better than the more numerous V8's. I'm enjoying the heck out of my 360. It's a fun car to drive, love the styling and technologies. It just felt right from the first day I got into it. But, recently, I've found myself (getting older, more conservative?) looking into getting a 550. Gotta have that Ferrari V12 experience someday, right? | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1742 Registered: 9-2001 |
DES, I looked at the 360 Spider and I'm convinced, go with the 575. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1863 Registered: 8-2002 |
Dean... Take a look at Tako's 360 spider- if that doesn't convince you, nothing will. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1741 Registered: 9-2001 |
Willis, I don't think you should "worry" about your 360's future value at all. Worrying doesn't help anyway. My point is that due to the much lower numbers and v12 engine, I believe the 550/575 series will end up holding more value in the long haul. That is if one should care anyway. I buy and drive my Ferraris for the enjoyment of it alone. If it retains its value, that's a bonus. If it doesn't, well I got some fun out of it. I'm not saving my car for the next owner ! While I have had two V8 Dinos, a 328 and a 348, I have enjoyed my four 12 cylinder Ferraris more. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Intermediate Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 1109 Registered: 8-2001 |
And I should worry about the future value of my 360 because....? | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1740 Registered: 9-2001 |
For style and beauty, get the 575M. For an open air car, get the 550 Barchetta. For any other reason, get the 550 or 575. Only if I were planning on racing in the 360 Challenge would I consider getting a 360. And even then after I finished my consideration, I would decide against the 360 Challenge and buy the 550 or 575. While they appear to be depreciating faster than the 360 now, in a few years the 360 value will drop way below the 550/575 models. The 550/575 is BEAUTIFUL !!! | ||
| Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
Member Username: Wsawyer Post Number: 665 Registered: 2-2002 |
It depends upon what matters most to you. If you need to have the latest and greatest and don't mind paying for it, get the 575, but I'd personally consider a 550. The 575 doesn't seem to be selling well despite claims of a two year waiting list, and it will probably depreciate as quickly as the 550 has. I'd buy a 550 at discount prices and get 98% of the real world performance of a 575 . Of course, if you need to have the F-1 box that changes things. Like I said, you need to list your requirements and measure all the options against them. | ||
| Gene Agatep (Gagatep)
Junior Member Username: Gagatep Post Number: 203 Registered: 8-2002 |
For style, beauty and agility - 360 For power and touring - 575 My personal choice if I had to choose between the two - 575 | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Intermediate Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 1107 Registered: 8-2001 |
If you like open air motoring, get the 360 spider. Don't really care about fresh air or constant public attention? Get the 575M. I don't think there's a premium on 575M's. In fact, you could pick one up off the showroom for MSRP or maybe lower. | ||
| Rehan (F3606m)
Junior Member Username: F3606m Post Number: 70 Registered: 4-2002 |
575M without a doubt nothing beats a V-12 Ferrari | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 1859 Registered: 8-2002 |
MODENA MODENA MODENA MODENA...! | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1739 Registered: 9-2001 |
575, no question whatsoever. A proper 12 cylinder should always be chosen over a little 8. | ||
| ross koller (Ross)
Member Username: Ross Post Number: 670 Registered: 3-2002 |
is cost a factor? is delivery time important?because if these are, then the decision gets far more complex. if neither of these things is an issue, then get the 575m, but don't expect to take delivery for a little while and do expect to pay well over msrp. | ||
| Tenney (Tenney)
Member Username: Tenney Post Number: 311 Registered: 2-2001 |
Would depend on intended use, Dean. A 360 (coupe, anyway) is the more focused of the two but the 575's an amazing all-arounder. Although if this choice will accompany a GT2, unless I'm eager for a ragtop, the 575'd be my pick. | ||
| John (Modenaf1fan)
Junior Member Username: Modenaf1fan Post Number: 74 Registered: 11-2002 |
575M without a doubt | ||
| Dean (Deanger)
New member Username: Deanger Post Number: 1 Registered: 2-2003 |
If you could only have one, would anyone vote for the 575? This will be my first Ferrari |