| Author | Message | ||
| William Badurski (Billb)
Junior Member Username: Billb Post Number: 148 Registered: 6-2001 |
Definitely a Euro. Euro tailpipe hangers and no A.I.R. pump cam cover, no Dinoplex units. Not a bad looking car from what can be seen. Horse on decklid incorrect (should not be there), and Pininfarina badge on right front fender in wrong place indicates repaint. | ||
| Rijk Rietveld (Rijk365gtb4)
Junior Member Username: Rijk365gtb4 Post Number: 145 Registered: 1-2002 |
Looks like a Euro and reverse lights are missing Rijk | ||
| Lawrence Yee (Ferrariguy)
Junior Member Username: Ferrariguy Post Number: 88 Registered: 8-2002 |
Hi Terry, This one just got listed in Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2404337812&category=6212 | ||
| Bruno (Originalsinner)
Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 954 Registered: 5-2002 |
There are very few poor examples of daytona's out there. As the price rose so fast and high in the 80's they were all gobbled up and restored very correctly. Of course there is an exception here and there but I find this to be the case for the most part. I also think imho that at current Fcar pricing the Daytona is the best bang for the $ out there. | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 280 Registered: 9-2002 |
Bill, As I become more serious, I will definetly consult you. Much thanks for the advise. --Dan | ||
| William Badurski (Billb)
Junior Member Username: Billb Post Number: 147 Registered: 6-2001 |
First, Dr. Ibrahim, thank you for such a nice compliment! Next, Dan, the "cut" cars range from impeccably detailed full conversions to quick and dirty chop jobs. With respect to the former, look for the important changes to the chassis such as the triangulated vertical braces running up through the center of the front inner fenders. This is time-consuming, but if done is a good signal that all the other differences are probably present as well. Steel inner front fenders are another major difference. If you get into the market, I can give you several things to look for. | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 384 Registered: 4-2002 |
I actually talked to them a bit on that car. I had some concern about the high mileage. Also, its in Canada and due to import duties they are not interested in a trade for my 308. I believe they also have a deal pending on it. It did sound like a very nice for for the $90K they want. They said it ran and drove perfectly and had strong cosmetics.... but of coarse I have never actually seen it. | ||
| Lawrence Yee (Ferrariguy)
Junior Member Username: Ferrariguy Post Number: 87 Registered: 8-2002 |
Hi Terry, You might try these guys: http://www.brianjesselferrari.com/preowned.html I know the previous owner of this '73 Daytona who traded this in plus his TR for a 550 Maranello. The dealer just dropped the price on this model. Hope this helps. | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 383 Registered: 4-2002 |
Henry, I'm not sure most potential Daytona buyers would look at it that way. The 550 is lots more money, the 360 or 355 is a 8 cylinder and all the 3 series and 456 are just totally different driving experiences. They are so apples to oranges I feel its a completely different market. The more modern cars dont appeal to me as much for a couple of reasons. One is that to really push them hard, get them into the range where you are working with the car....that magic "zone", you must drive at INSANE speeds. I had a '95 993 with RS suspension and engine upgrades. That was was not only rock reliable and luxurious but it was incredibly fast. However, to push it you had to go so fast that its only really possible on the track. The older cars I find you can get more feedback from and enjoy more from purely a drivers perspective on the street. I think many people who have never raced or done much track driving do get lots of fun from the modern cars on the street... they reach their limits way before the cars and are blissfully unaware that they are not really pushing the car. And thats a good thing. I also like to tinker with my cars and do my own maintenance / restoration work. This is just not possible on the modern cars. Anyhow... Im going to finish up the A/C restoration on my 308 and put it up for sale. If it sells, then its Daytona here I come. If it does not before I find an E-type I cannot walk away from then I keep it. $30K if anyones looking for a really nice '77 GTB! Or trade toward a Daytona..... Anyone who knows of a mechanically excellent and cosmetically nice Daytona in the $85K to $110K range, let me know. Terry | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 262 Registered: 9-2002 |
My thoughts exactly. My purposes aren't to collect the car - I'm interested in cars that can be driven, and driven a lot. --Dan | ||
| Henryk (Henryk)
Member Username: Henryk Post Number: 482 Registered: 8-2001 |
Dan: I would take the conversion over the real spyder, ANY day. The difference, between a conversion and a real one, is just TOO great!!!!! | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 257 Registered: 9-2002 |
I've been lurking around looking at Daytona Spider conversions (no way I consider the price difference b/w a daytona conversion and a factory spider worth it) - any thoughts on these cars? --Dan | ||
| Henryk (Henryk)
Member Username: Henryk Post Number: 468 Registered: 8-2001 |
I would agree with Malcolm at the price of $110K-$140K, for a VERY nice Daytona. While I am saving for one, I am starting to get second thoughts. For the same price range, one can buy either a 360 coupe, 456, or 550 Maranello. While the trend of the prices for Daytonas may go up, the demand will have to go down, due to the alternatives listed above. If one wants to buy a Ferrari to drive, then, one of the above make more sense. It seems that Daytonas will become strictly a collector's item........that means STORED!!!!!!!! I believe they had more value before the aforementioned alternatives came along. If feel the same with another one of my favorites.....Lusso. | ||
| Dr. I. M. Ibrahim (Coachi)
Junior Member Username: Coachi Post Number: 197 Registered: 5-2002 |
Many of us owned daytonas when they were worth half a million, at the peak of the market...I still own the two that i owned then...yes you can buy a cheap one, but if you find one like I have, where the paint was fully stripped, all rust removed, and then the car was repainted by an artist... as well as having a car with every item correct on the car, then you won't find a seller for 100 K. I advertise one of mine for sale once a year, and mostly just to judge the market out there.. if I get calls or offers where someone is trying to steal the car..I know there are no buyers..I love both my cars, and could not care less if I ever sold them... I paid much more than the price I am asking for mine, then spent a foertune restoring the cars cosmetically...I love the cars...they are hard to drive...steering requires muscles...but they are powerful, fast, exotic and the last 2-seater front engined ferraris built while enzo was alive...there were fewer than 1300 made, not counting the spiders, and to own two of them is doubling your pleasure and doubling your fun.. ask me anything about them, i will tell you...Bill Badurski is the most knowledgable person I have ever met when it comes to daytonas...he loves his daytona as much as I love mine...I turned down 450 grand for one before i restored it...and don't regret it...still love it and may not part with it till death....my 2 cents worth | ||
| Bruno (Originalsinner)
Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 948 Registered: 5-2002 |
Nice yellow ride. No they r not an evreyday car at all.They must be driven.I have been fortunate enough to have driven one both on track in vintage race and on road frequently they are a serious collector Ferrari and if the economy and political situation continue they will be under 100k in excellent shape. bet on it. IMHO they will soon be the best bang for the buck collectible car .period... | ||
| Rijk Rietveld (Rijk365gtb4)
Junior Member Username: Rijk365gtb4 Post Number: 141 Registered: 1-2002 |
Malcolm Nice home Rijk | ||
| Malcolm Barksdale (Malcolmb)
New member Username: Malcolmb Post Number: 15 Registered: 4-2002 |
My thought would be to buy in the $110k to $140k range. I agree that you should find one with good bodywork, it can be a can of worms. I bought toward the middle of that range last year and am very happy. The car steers heavy, otherwise if you drive a Ferrari now you wont be suprised by much. They are tough cars, simple really, and almost everything is available. I had a good selection, especially if you are ok with red. I wanted a subtle, subdued color so it took a while.  Mine burns a negligble amount of oil, I was suprised that it burns so little.I have driven it 7000 miles in 10 months.Just do it. | ||
| Rijk Rietveld (Rijk365gtb4)
Junior Member Username: Rijk365gtb4 Post Number: 140 Registered: 1-2002 |
Terry, If you find yourself in NY someday, let me know and you can drive mine. I do drive the Daytona 7000 mi/year and the car loves to be driven. Barely any oil use, constant 95LB oil pressure. So, with almost 50K miles, I do not expect an engine rebuild any time soon. Just take your time to get the oil in operating temperature (no more than 3000 revs for the first 15 miles). The wonderful thing about the Daytona is that you are involved at any speed, probably close to your 911S. And then there is the sound......... Rijk | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 381 Registered: 4-2002 |
Good point Frank, I will certainly drive one before I buy. I would never lay out that kind of cash without having driven the car a good bit. It would not be my only sportscar but I would hope to drive it 5k miles a year or so. Also, when it comes to cars my wife says im something of a masochist anyway. Im currently driving my '69 911S hotrod pretty much as a daily driver and loving it. Its 2000lb, 220hp, track suspension, racing seats, no power options of any kind, no A/c, no radio, lightweight flywheel, LOUD sport muffler..... I like cars that are loud, fast and extremely involving for the driver. If I need A/C or luxury stuff I'll drive one of the other cars. I dont want a show car with ultra low mileage. What do you do with such a car? If you drive it much at all you destroy its value and if you dont drive it eventually it will suffer mechanically. Catch-22. Screw that. I want one that is in excellent mechanical shape. I dont want to deal with engine or transaxle issues. I dont mind some ancillary issues like A/C, minor electrical gremlins, brake job etc. Im a fairly handy wrench twister and in the best Fast Times at Ridgemont High tradition "I got a bitchin set of tools". I also dont mind less than 100pt showcar cosmetics, BUT I will not have any rust issues or a car full of bondo. I have done full body restorations on E-types and 911's plus a few Healeys...I can do it but I really just dont enjoy it. It takes way too long and leaves a big mess! (do bodywork in your home garage... youll find sanding dust EVERYWHERE). Anyhow... My preferences may leave me looking at higher mileage cars which could be a problem. I dont want a car that will need a $25K engine rebuild in a year or two because it has 75k miles on it. Who knows... I may just keep the 308 and buy another E-Type roadster. But that damn toy model is taunting me! | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 3502 Registered: 12-2000 |
Frank, might try a Dino, they're very eazy to drive around town 15k miles a year.  | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1773 Registered: 9-2001 |
Drive one before you convince yourself that you want to own one. While they look great, are very fast and sound wonderful, they are a bear to drive. I've driven several over the years and do not want to own one. At least not as my only Ferrari. They are simply too hard to drive the 5k to 7k miles I drive my Ferrari a year. | ||
| Rijk Rietveld (Rijk365gtb4)
Junior Member Username: Rijk365gtb4 Post Number: 137 Registered: 1-2002 |
I'm not sure if I would like to buy the lowest price one. You need to find one with good mechanicals, otherwise it can be a very expensive hobby. My lighter has a short and just to buy one cost $203, excluding labour. Rijk | ||
| William Badurski (Billb)
Junior Member Username: Billb Post Number: 145 Registered: 6-2001 |
Bruno, You're probably safe with this line of thought. These are very reliable cars, and strong. Even one's with worn engines still can be made to run well if you can live with some oil consumption and leaks. I've had experience with a couple that were later found with broken rings and leaky valves, yet they ran pretty darn well before overhaul. | ||
| Bruno (Originalsinner)
Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 947 Registered: 5-2002 |
I've ben watching them and have heard of some coupes trading in the 90k range.even at 120k it is a great car.This was 1 million dollar area at the peak.I continue to watch and see who is buying and for how much.I know a rough one went for 75k last Fall.I dont know how bad it was.I assume engine rebuild and frame off needed.I am only guessing.If I got one for 75 I would just clean it up and make it look and run respectable and drive the hell out of it. | ||
| Henryk (Henryk)
Member Username: Henryk Post Number: 458 Registered: 8-2001 |
Arlie: This may be true in California, but not in Chicago, or Green Bay. In the last 15 years, I have only seen one Daytona.....and that was mine, at the time. I had it about 10 years ago, and then sold it. I am saving now to buy another one. | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 740 Registered: 5-2002 |
Call me crazy, but I've seen so many photos of Datsuns and Corvettes that have been converted into Daytona Ferraris that the real thing now seems to have a stigma attached to it. It doesn't have the pizzazz and flair that it did before all those hokey conversions came out. Anybody else? | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 567 Registered: 10-2001 |
Daytona are nowadays soooo underpriced that it hurts ! Its such an amazing car ! | ||
| William Badurski (Billb)
Junior Member Username: Billb Post Number: 140 Registered: 6-2001 |
Get one while they're "cheap". Prices will vary considerably depending on condition. Rust in the doors and quarters that's been painted over may be present on some lower priced examples. Also, mechanical condition is important. One with a freshly rebuilt engine (about $20-25k) or transaxle (about $2500-3k) will command more than one that's been neglected. Had three Daytonas, among others, and they're my favorite. | ||
| Eddie Lee (Lee168)
New member Username: Lee168 Post Number: 11 Registered: 1-2003 |
I think I may have a relatively inexpensive solution to your dilemma: Get a flat screen monitor so that the 1:18 scale can no longer sit on top of it and torture you (smile)! In all seriousness, I believe the overall market is soft, which explains why there aren't many takers. Once the economy picks back up (I sure hope it does soon), I'd bet that these prices would go even higher than what you would want to see. | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 379 Registered: 4-2002 |
With this 1:18 scale model of a Daytona on top of my computer monitor, its tough not to scheme about getting one... I have been watching prices in all the usual places. FML, Hemmings, Classic Trader, Sports Car Market Letter, and it seems there is a trend. There seem to be a fair number of cars on the market, with a broad range of prices. It seems there are many cars priced between $120K and $170K. However, I have also noticed that the same cars are advertised over and over again. For months or even years it seems in some cases. From what I can tell there are lots of people wanting this kind of money for good Daytonas but there are very few if any people actually paying it. However, Sports Car Market shows that Daytonas have been selling at the auctions. They have good #2+ condition cars selling around $90K to $100K. Are the guys asking the higher prices just dreaming at this point? Given what I have observed, no way would I pay $120K for a Daytona right now (i could see a #1 perfect show car going for this or more, but I dont want a show car). Anyhow, what are some others thoughts on Daytona prices. Anyone know of a nice, solid car for reasonable money? Im not saying im necessarily ready to buy (would want to sell the 308 first) but I tell ya... that dang model is driving me nuts! |