| Author | Message | ||
| Tino (Bboxer)
Junior Member Username: Bboxer Post Number: 233 Registered: 8-2001 |
Manu, THAT would be illegal; besides, what happens to the welded Tubi plate with the serial number.? BTW, don't listen to Jack, he's really a P car spy planted on our board by the Bundenstag.<g> (Hey Jack, tell Manu how your Fuchs is holding up so far) | ||
| Manu (Manu)
Member Username: Manu Post Number: 644 Registered: 2-2002 |
Jack - sure I got a sense of humour  - but seriously, being totally independent, the Fuchs is a pretty nice system..... Also Jack - I LOVE Giallo 360s!!!! Tino - one thing buddy - suppose you bought Tubis and sold 'em as "Tino Exhaust" systems.... that's pretty much what I reckon Digi-tec do. | ||
| Jack Fried (Jack360)
New member Username: Jack360 Post Number: 27 Registered: 6-2001 |
Sorry guys, the link I posted earlier regarding the Fuchs exhaust video doesn't work... Here's the CORRECT link: http://www.jackspictures.com/videos.htm Just scroll down to the 360 Videos and click on the "Driveby" video. | ||
| fritz jerey (Jerry328)
New member Username: Jerry328 Post Number: 3 Registered: 2-2003 |
hubert- sorry no other pics. got it from a japanese tubi site, maybe they can help. it�s the 4th car from the top on that list. http://www31.tok2.com/home/tubistylejapan1/tubisound.htm | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 524 Registered: 1-2002 |
fritz- do you have any side shots of that 355b in the vid? id like to see what wheels he has no it. | ||
| fritz jerey (Jerry328)
New member Username: Jerry328 Post Number: 1 Registered: 2-2003 |
michael- it�s an ito-exhaust on that video. here�s another one from the same 360. http://www2.csc.ne.jp/~ferrari/360ito-arai1.mpg my opinion: while these japanese exhausts - which are apparently designed to achieve max. volume - sound like a trumpet on any ferrari, the tubi supports more the individual character of the car. kinda musically..... http://www31.tok2.com/home/tubistylejapan1/355%202.mpg | ||
| Jack Fried (Jack360)
New member Username: Jack360 Post Number: 26 Registered: 6-2001 |
You Tubi guys have no sense of humor, what's wrong with an exhaust made by that famous German wheel manufacturer--Fuchs. If you want hear a Fuchs exhaust on a 360, try... http://www.jackspictures.com/cgi-bin/schlabo/dl.pl?http://www.jackspictures.com/videos/360 Modena/Ferrari 360 (Driveby).mpg | ||
| Tino (Bboxer)
Junior Member Username: Bboxer Post Number: 232 Registered: 8-2001 |
Thanks Manu, I couldn't have explained it better. One objection: the jury is still out on Digi-Tec; Tubi confirm they don't make any systems for anybody in the after-market business! | ||
| robert biscan (Tn_ferrari_bob)
New member Username: Tn_ferrari_bob Post Number: 2 Registered: 1-2003 |
Do you purchase the test pipes form Tubi? | ||
| Robert (Rjklein4470)
Junior Member Username: Rjklein4470 Post Number: 236 Registered: 3-2002 |
I am with Ernesto on this one. Tubi with test pipes, is truly awsome. At 8,000 rpm's it is perfect. I have had it installed now for two weeks and love it. | ||
| MFZ (Kiyoharu)
New member Username: Kiyoharu Post Number: 4 Registered: 2-2003 |
Ah, so that's why the exhaust picture in said article looks suspiciously like a Tubi, though it's looks more like the exhaust for the regular 360 Modena version and not the 360 Spider version (the Digi-Tec 360 featured on the article was a 360 Spider 6-speed manual). Supposedly OZ Racing is the real manufacturer of all wheels bearing the Hamann Motorsports design. | ||
| Manu (Manu)
Member Username: Manu Post Number: 643 Registered: 2-2002 |
Here in the UK, I sell almost ALL of these products and I can assure that there is no subsitute for the Tubi. Many of these Japanese exhausts (like MS Racing) run a variable volume valve - the exhaust flow is fed into a smallish muffler at low throttle openings below a certain rpm level (say 4000rpm) after which point the exhaust flow is diverted to another "straight-through" channel at which point the car becomes effectively unsilenced. These systems are VERY loud and can resonate painfully at small throttle openings.... otherwise they're pretty awesome. None of these Japanese systems are for the faint of heart - as I'm sure the name indicates. I SELL these things and here is a little info you probably didn't know. Fuchs = Koenig = Cargraphic = Hamann Motorsport Fuchs is making systems for everyone. Only Hamann manufacture *SOME* of their own products depending on which model you buy. And the so called "Digi-tec" is actually a Tubi.... Of course, none of this matters really - only the result does. The Tubi is perfect on the early 360s without pre-cat - if you want more fit test pipes like Ernesto for the ULTIMATE sound. | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 522 Registered: 1-2002 |
Noel- The following are Vikens comments regarding the Fuchs system on his 360; I copied these from a site he posted long ago: -------------------------------------------------- Like most of you, I believe the 360's exhaust system is on the quiet side. Not too long ago, I started looking into exhaust system alternatives. For a long time, the only system available in the U.S. was the Italian made Tubi system. Many have installed this system and found it to be extremely good sounding and I agree. I have heard the Tubi various times and, while its sounds are intoxicating, the loudness levels could be deafening (IMO). In addition, the resonance inside the cabin can be rather bothersome. Enter the German-made Fuchs exhaust system. Earlier this year, I heard a 2000 360 Modena with the Fuchs exhaust system at Premier Motorsport in Culver City, CA. While it sounded good, it added some low rpm rumble but did not retain the 360's high-pitched sound at high rpm's. Also, the loudness didn't appear to be noticeably different than stock. Upon making an inquiry with the Fuchs supplier in Germany, Premier Motorsport was told that Fuchs also makes an export version of this exhaust which is not TUV approved. As many of you are aware, most European countries have had very stringent noise restrictions. For this reason, many tuners resorted to designing quieter exhausts that can be legally installed on cars in Europe. The export version is not street legal in many European countries, hence its nomenclature. We quickly had one of these export versions flown over and had it installed on my 360 for some testing. Sounds: Once installed, we took the car out for a test drive before the bumper went on. At idle, which is approximately 50% louder than a stock 2000 with vacuum operated valves closed, the sound is a rumble rather than a low tone wine. Upon revving, it retains the high-pitched sound of the Modena only slightly louder. Inside the cabin and with the windows up, there is zero resonance at any rpm. The car sounds exactly the same as stock until the windows come down. This was a very important factor for me which is why I did not choose the Tubi in the first place. Appearance: Like Tubi, the Fuchs is made entirely of stainless steel. All components are highly polished close to perfection. The tailpipes are 70 mm (2-3/4") in diameter and double walled for a more substantial look. They are infinitely adjustable via stainless steel brackets. This helps for better centering within the opening and adjusts the overhang of both tailpipes. Each set of tailpipes is positioned in the middle of the bumper openings rather than being offset towards the inside as with the stock exhaust. Fuchs provides special "Challenge" style grilles to replace the factory ones at both openings AND for the transmission as part of the kit. This, in my opinion, is a major improvement in aesthetics. Other benefits: The factory exhaust tips are not double-walled thus not insulated. This causes the inner pipes to get very hot (250� F) and eventually discolor the paint on the bumper. The outer pipes are approximately 100� F cooler due to the vacuum operated valve. Fuchs pipes are not only insulated but also centered away from the painted edges of the openings. The outermost tips are also approximately 1" farther out than stock. This helps the condensation to spill on the ground rather than on the paint. Air horns: While we were in the mood of taking bumpers off, we decided to install authentic Ferrari air horns in the front. After all, a Ferrari without them is not a Ferrari. The air horns were mounted on composite panels. This means that no aluminum panels were drilled. -------------------------------------------------- Hope this helps. hubert | ||
| MFZ (Kiyoharu)
New member Username: Kiyoharu Post Number: 3 Registered: 2-2003 |
The German aftermarket exhaust maker is either Hamann or Digi-Tec, as both have been featured on Forza recently. Let me check my collection. Yup, it's the Digi-Tec. The website is unfortunately in German (www.digi-tec.net), so I don't know if they ship worldwide. | ||
| noel smith (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 15 Registered: 2-2003 |
okay, at the risk of sounding like a moron, what's the difference?? | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Intermediate Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 1326 Registered: 7-2001 |
I heard a Fuchs on a 360 last week for the first time. It was the best sounding Ferrari I've ever heard. | ||
| noel smith (Noel)
New member Username: Noel Post Number: 13 Registered: 2-2003 |
Robert, I'm getting a 360 tomorrow and would be very interested in the exhaust that you are talking about. I have a 355 now and i feel I'm really going to miss the way she sounds. I was baically planning on getting a Tubi, but I'm open to other ideas. | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 521 Registered: 1-2002 |
Robert- Do you mean Fuchs? Viken (a member here) has that system on his 360. | ||
| robert biscan (Tn_ferrari_bob)
New member Username: Tn_ferrari_bob Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2003 |
A few months ago there was an article in Forza about a german company that manufactured exhausts for the 360 that made them sound like a 355. Instead of the formula one sound it is deeper. Does anybody have this system ? If so is it true and how much does one cost? | ||
| Devin (Ddd910)
New member Username: Ddd910 Post Number: 5 Registered: 4-2002 |
or it might be the MS Racing exhaust, very popular in Japan. | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1216 Registered: 2-2001 |
Sounds like my 360. Tubi exhaust, no cats. Ernesto | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 435 Registered: 8-2001 |
Michael, Ben, Here is a small video clip of my 355 Challenge to compare. The 355 that is behind my car has a Tubi. Keep in mind that the exhaust on my car is the quiet exhaust but is still much louder than the Tubi. Regards, Jon P. Kofod 1995 F355 Challenge #23 http://www.bsc-usa.com/galeria_ferrari/fca_oct_tempy/jon_1.MPG http://www.bsc-usa.com/galeria_ferrari/fca_oct_tempy/jon_2.MPG | ||
| Michael Yip (Mightyslash)
Junior Member Username: Mightyslash Post Number: 124 Registered: 4-2002 |
I wonder what an F355 would sound like if it had just pipes and no mufflers | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Junior Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 155 Registered: 6-2002 |
From volume alone, that has to be an open exhaust. Just... pipes. Tubis sound much deeper, and muted. That thing just *SCREAMs*!! I always thought Ferrari steped down a notch with the 360's sound from the F355's wail, but now I'm not so sure? I agree, at full sound, it sounds great. Sounds like a bloody indy car! May get tiresome... nay painful, fast though on the street. I would be willing to give the group an informed opinion if you bought me a 360. Heck, I'll fabricate the race pipes out of 304 myself Best! Ben. | ||
| Michael Yip (Mightyslash)
Junior Member Username: Mightyslash Post Number: 123 Registered: 4-2002 |
The best 360 I've ever heard....Is it Tubi? http://www2.csc.ne.jp/~ferrari/355-360-1.mpg http://www2.csc.ne.jp/~ferrari/360ito-arai2.mpg |