| Author | Message | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 792 Registered: 1-2002 |
Um, guys? All this talk about license plates---my recollection is that the poster of the now-removed photos whited them out. A non-issue, and most assuredly not in FOH's mind when they pulled their little stunt, IMO. | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 789 Registered: 5-2002 |
TomD, of course it would NOT help in any way to already have a stack of Ferrari license plate numbers to hand to that crooked DMV employee, would it? You know it would. DMV records are usually sorted by license plate numbers or VIN numbers, not by make of car. Telling a crooked DMV employee to "get a big list of Ferrari owners" is not likely to obtain anything. You start with plate or VIN numbers. Why do you think cars have license plate and VIN numbers? If your Ferrari was stolen, would you just tell the cops to "look for the red Ferrari"? Of course not. You would give them your plate and VIN number, which are the same things that a crook would look for at the DMV. | ||
| Jere Dunham (Questioner)
Junior Member Username: Questioner Post Number: 133 Registered: 1-2003 |
Someone using the DMV info may not be particularly interested in the car itself but the address where it is garaged. There are probably items of much more value at the house than the car itself. You can peruse pictures at your own leisure but getting the number off a car that drives by quickly is much harder. You can make a mistake on a car that is turning a corner away from you but if you have a clear photo of the plate, no mistake should be made. I, for one, do not believe it is being paranoid. I believe it is being careful and protective. I do not want to advertise my address to everyone in the world and I do not want someone else doing it for me either. In a matter such as this, just do as people ask and there will be nothing to answer for. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 2824 Registered: 9-2001 |
again, you proved my point, rather than searching the web for license plates (lol) a crooked person will contact a crooked person at the dmv and ask them for personal info on all people owning ferraris and lambos etc. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 2287 Registered: 8-2002 |
If someone's gonna pay enough money to a low income P.I. just to get your personal information, then you have bigger things to worry about than keeping your personal information personal...  | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 788 Registered: 5-2002 |
1. I am not worried myself, because I don't drive around in a $200,000 car which would put me at a much greater risk for car jacking, as well as would-be thieves who would follow you home, or try to track you down through DMV sources. 2. I said DMV info is not available to the "general" public. Licensed private investigators can still obtain the information. Of course, there is no possibility that a low income P.I. would be crooked and tempted by cash offers to obtain "interesting" DMV info now, is there? | ||
| Robin Overcash (Robin)
New member Username: Robin Post Number: 40 Registered: 1-2003 |
If you're worried about people seeing your license plate, how do you drive your car? -R | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 2820 Registered: 9-2001 |
you just disproved you own point, LOL, if dmv info is not available to the public how come you are worried about your license plate being on the internet - BTW I would not rely on congress actions in attempt to prove your own point | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 787 Registered: 5-2002 |
If secrecy is such a bogus thing, how come Congress passed the Driver Protection Safety Act back in 1997 to make DMV information unavailable to the general public? | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 983 Registered: 11-2002 |
The plot thickens to Evil Conspiracy Theories...by photographic image thieves...Hmmmmmmm... Guees it might be time for Photographic Image Stealing Device (camera) Detectors at all the entrances...and maybe full body searches..and signing releases that every thing one sees & hears will be kept totally secret under threat of prosecution for divulging private info to the undeserving...LOL | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 2796 Registered: 9-2001 |
I would add - the recent terror crack downs have shown the people working a the DMV can be some of the most unsavory characters out there - just think Arlie - they have all your personal info | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 2793 Registered: 9-2001 |
nice arlie keep your own score, BTW do they keep the FOH address a secret, also do they put their ferrari's in stealth mode (ala knight rider) when they drive their 360 down the street. come on, just because other share your stupid paranoia does not mean its right | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 782 Registered: 5-2002 |
Well imagine that. Some owners don't want their license plate numbers plastered all over the internet. Months ago, I said the exact same thing right here on this board and got razzed about it. Looks like some Ferrari owners must agree with me. Horsefly 1, opposition 0. | ||
| melo yelo (Meloyelo)
New member Username: Meloyelo Post Number: 18 Registered: 5-2002 |
I was at FOH and took a lot of pictures as well. I heard one statement by Joe about pictures and it was brief. He mainly said that some owners like their privacy and do not want the cars posted all over the net. He asked us to use discretion and not to take any shots that included the license plates of any of the cars. It was a nice tour and I appreciate FOH taking the time to do that. | ||
| Robin Overcash (Robin)
New member Username: Robin Post Number: 35 Registered: 1-2003 |
FoW actually has that car listed in their used car section.. says it'll be available at the end of the 2003 season. Race car collectors take note... http://www.ferrariofwashington.com/showroom/used%20cars/360GT.htm -R | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 902 Registered: 4-2002 |
Oops. A SpeedChannel announcer mentioned it was on the same team as the others. That must be the car that won the GA championship last year. Hope it's repairable. Didn't look real bad, but...... | ||
| Jere Dunham (Questioner)
Junior Member Username: Questioner Post Number: 127 Registered: 1-2003 |
Hans, #33 was the Fow car. Cort Wagner driving. As you said, hit the wall. The two Risi cars finished 2nd and 11th overall. Best regards, | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 3597 Registered: 12-2000 |
#33 was a FoW car. | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 899 Registered: 4-2002 |
Jere: 3 Risi cars. You forgot #33. (I have the entire 16 hour SpeedChannel coverage recorded if you'd like to check.) #33 hit the wall. It was mentioned in some earlier press coverage, however, that they planned a 2 car entry. | ||
| Jere Dunham (Questioner)
Junior Member Username: Questioner Post Number: 126 Registered: 1-2003 |
Hans, Two Risi cars. #34 & #35. The others were FoW and JMB Ferrari USA (2 cars). Yes, it was a GrandAM race but Mr. Risi stated during the interview during the last hour of the race that they will contest Sebring, LeMans and the full ALMS series. That is certainly not GrandAm. I just feel that the pictures were taken on private property and it is the property owners decision if pictures can be taken and where they can be shown. If I were the property owner, that is what I would do. Just because they are for sale does not mean they are public domain. And do we know if all the cars whose photos were taken are for sale or not? Were some in for service? If so, I believe the permission of the owner of the car would be needed before posting anything to the internet. If your car is in for service somewhere, do you want pictures of it being shown and the location disclosed without your permission? Whose liability does that fall under? If they were parked outside for display to the public, maybe so but it looks as though most of the photos were made inside their shop. Also, the fact that a tagline for another business was embossed on the bottom of each photo did nothing to help the cause. Oh well, enough of my longwindedness. | ||
| Mike Clark (Vipersrt)
New member Username: Vipersrt Post Number: 38 Registered: 10-2002 |
Ok, ok, here are some pictures of his toys, hopefully everyone is happy now!   | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 3596 Registered: 12-2000 |
I know Risi will mainly run all the ALMS races this year. The sponsor also wanted to run Daytona (Grand Am) and 24 Hours of Le Mans (another org). I'm not sure what other races they'll be doing besides this. | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 897 Registered: 4-2002 |
Uh, Jere, the Risi cars (3 of them) were at the GRANDAM race at the 24 Hours of Daytona. In fact, the caption for one of the now-banned photos was to the effect of "Road rash from the 24 Hours of Daytona". GrandAm. Just thought I'd let you know so you'll know which races to watch. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 788 Registered: 1-2002 |
Jere, of course FOH has the right ro regulate its property. That is not in dispute. What you miss, and the causes of the dispute, are (a) the questionable methods they used to force the pictures to be yanked, and (b) the fact that they (FOH) do not own any of those photos, so they are not, in fact, in any position to dictate their use. | ||
| Matt (Matt_lamotte)
Junior Member Username: Matt_lamotte Post Number: 189 Registered: 10-2002 |
Jere, I see your point. However let's say I invited everyone into my home and all my "furniture" was for sale, I would not have much of a problem with someone advertising what I had for sale. There place is by no means a home and the items pictured are pretty much for sale correct? I understand if they were worried about someone else making money off there cars but if they were angry because there cars they try to sell were posted somewhere there are a bunch of potential buyers I wouldn't be so angry. Besides I am sure they have a pretty good security system for there "home". | ||
| Jere Dunham (Questioner)
Junior Member Username: Questioner Post Number: 125 Registered: 1-2003 |
Oh, and Hans, The Ferraris (except FoW) will be running Sebring, LeMans and the ALMS series. This is the American LeMans Series not GrandAm. Just thought you might like to know what series to watch. So I guess the "Superbeetles" will have their domination of GrandAm. | ||
| Jere Dunham (Questioner)
Junior Member Username: Questioner Post Number: 124 Registered: 1-2003 |
Just a quick insertion here. Gentlemen, if you opened up your home to members of Ferrarichat to tour and enjoy your garage and gameroom, set the ground rules, and they got broken, would you get upset? Could those who came to view your beautiful home attack you because they violated your trust? Guys, get real. The tour was on private property and was opened up graciously by the host to allow your enjoyment. Would you want photos to circulate on the internet of the contents of your home? Do you want everyone you don't know knowing what kind of home theater system, furniture and cars you keep there? The Ferrarichat members are not the only people who frequent this forum. Believe me, there could just be some who read but do not post that would love to have your address and know what you keep there. It is an open invitation. You talk about avoiding going home when you think someone is following you. How about if your home and cars, guns, liquor cabinets, humidors, etc are plastered all over the internet for all to see. Get my drift? They opened up their dealership for a tour and someone inadvertantly broke the rules which had been set. Perhaps the rules were not written and signed by everyone but they were voiced to the ones in charge to pass on. It is only right that they ask that the pictures be removed. Would not you do the same of your home or business???? Oh, and the statement about hoping the Porsches beat the Ferraris because of this-------how like little children that is. Grow up, put it behind you and go on...... | ||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 412 Registered: 3-2001 |
Dave, actually, my comments were not directed at you. My comments were meant to be viewed in the macro perspective. FoH opens their doors, sets ground rules, those rules were accidently violated, FoH takes action to remedy what it saw as a breach of trust. It should be end of story there. Personally, I don't care what anyones previous history with FoH is/was. Greg Owens, San Antonio, etc..... Irrelevant. Each situation is a unique experience. It is the fact that there was all this 'noise' and email being sent to FoH which is disturbing. I am not a big chatroom person. Actually, this is the only site I have ever chatted on. That being said, my strongly worded comments were a result of the petty, overblown, bite the hand that feeds you, acerbic, personal history gripe comments that started to flood the thread. I've enjoyed your posts for a long time, and that will continue. No hard feelings on my part. My comments were not meant as a personal affront. Tenney.....If I'm talking with my peers, I will speak in a certain manner. If I'm talking to a child, I will speak in a manner which is suitable for a child. I was not aware that this is a site which children frequent. If this is the case, I will start to post Mr. Roger pictures. | ||
| Father Sarduchi (Father_sarduchi)
New member Username: Father_sarduchi Post Number: 10 Registered: 1-2003 |
Dear Fellows, This appears to be the perfect time to suggest the appointing of a permanent Apologist for FoH, FCA and the FCA Houston Region. So much behavior that needs excusing that it has required a half dozen different folks. Why not appoint a permanent Apologist in the interest of streamlining these affairs? Shall I see all my bretheren at the Glorified Car Lot for prayer this Sunday? No cameras please!! Bless, Father Sarduchi | ||
| Chris Parr (Cmparrf40)
Member Username: Cmparrf40 Post Number: 559 Registered: 3-2002 |
HI Tenney! Have not talked in a while! hope all is well, say hi to Paul for me! As for FOH, good people, there are many reasons not to allow photos, security is a major one, customer privacy is another. They were gracious enough to open up the shop, we should abide by the request for no pics. Lets move on! Chris | ||
| Tenney (Tenney)
Member Username: Tenney Post Number: 315 Registered: 2-2001 |
Father Sarduchi, I, like many others, couldn't be a bigger fan of clubs. They are cool. I'm merely a book of the month club guy at this point, but I'm one red polo shirt away from being a shop tour candidate, myself. Grady, per his post, is a chapter Pres. of (at the very least) the Ferrari Club of America. Good people often volunteer for this sort of duty for, among other reasons, an opportunity to be in charge - a byproduct of which is bossing people around. As such, he is exempt from the customary 'please' and 'thank you' that accompany the vernacular of the commoner. Whaddya say we cut him some slack. Meanwhile, Matt might want to let Robert J.'s ten-year-old daughter know what he really thinks. | ||
| Robert J. Steinhagen (Bob)
New member Username: Bob Post Number: 6 Registered: 1-2003 |
Hey: Just wanted to tell you folks that my ten year old daughter really enjoyed the photos. Glad she got to see them before they were removed. She loves the F-40! Too bad FOH can't understand that. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 777 Registered: 1-2002 |
Matt Squidracing, I appreciate your point of view, although your profanity has pretty much invalidated your post, and is really inappropriate here. "So....as I said before....EVERYONE SHOULD JUST SHUT THE F*CK UP.......F*CKING BABIES!!"??? Perhaps you should have taken your own advice. Never mind that. I presume that your posts were directed, in part, at me. And that's fine. Unlike you, I am a big boy who can take a little trash talk. But know this: yes, I am VERY familiar with FOH. I have a VERY high regard for them--especially their body & paint shop. I have entrusted my 550 to them twice, and have been VERY pleased with the results, as I have posted here MANY times. And it is that knowledge of them as a high-quality outfit, full of high-quality people, that caused me to jump all over them for their apparent pettiness & legal threats over a few harmless pictures...and the sneaky manner in which they muscled them off FerrariChat. This "technique" is beneath them, IMO, hence my posts. If you read my posts, you will see that there is also a previous incident of their being a bit thin skinned: they apparently gave Grady Owens, who is a top-quality guy & fellow FCA chapter president, all sorts of crap over ONE post I made eons ago, suggesting that another poster who claimed to have had a bad sales experience at FOH try Ferrari of San Antonio as an alternative. I said NOTHING bad about FOH, yet they demanded Grady help them track me down & reprimand me. Grady & I laughed about it, but... A tempest in a teapot, but apparently a big precursor to what we saw yesterday. So, Matt, I luv ya man, but I strongly advise you get ALL the facts BEFORE you resort to profanity, OK, pal? Cheers!  | ||
| Father Sarduchi (Father_sarduchi)
New member Username: Father_sarduchi Post Number: 9 Registered: 1-2003 |
Dear Mr. Lay, I fully understand your situation. However I and others also I'm sure don't bow to the commands of mere FCA Personell or even a Dealership for that matter. Just because one excuses rude behavior doesn't change the fact that the behavior was rude in the first place. I think besides the fact that commands were being barked from a new comer Mr. Owens, this reverance to a dealership is quite perplexing. If I understand things properly, The Factory is the source of all the Cars that invoke the Ferrari passion, and the dealerhips are simply an outlet to the public and play very little if any role in "FERRARI" the machine and the Icon that it has become. Bless, Father Sarduchi | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 3572 Registered: 12-2000 |
Father, don't take Grady's comments the wrong way. His intentions are good, he's the FCA President for the Houston chapter and this is his first time on FerrariChat.com. He just came out here because of this incident. Grady and I were in the hot seat and under much pressure the past day or so. Believe me that Grady's post shouldn't be taken any other way than here are the facts and let's move on. This really hasn't been pleasent for either of us and I realize the users on this board are mostly far removed from this event. | ||
| Father Sarduchi (Father_sarduchi)
New member Username: Father_sarduchi Post Number: 8 Registered: 1-2003 |
>>I have a few comments and now I want this entire discussion to cease!!! << Dear Sir, That sounds very much like a command. I was taught that good manners would include at least a small please when ordering strangers about in such a rather well..bossy way! Are you an authoritarian figure that some how got left off our list of those to bow to? I certianly wouldn't want to be irreverant to one of my superiors. >>At this time all of this chatter and any negative comments should quit.<< Another command that should include a please. Ferrari's envoke passion Sir and from now on when you're in the company of strangers please and thank you should definately be included in your vocabulary when demanding from others. Maybe some reflection is in order, are a few photographs and making money more important than the fans that are Ferrars life blood? Such arrogance and selfishness is very unbecoming. Bless, Father Sarduchi | ||
| Mike Clark (Vipersrt)
New member Username: Vipersrt Post Number: 35 Registered: 10-2002 |
This is turning into quite the drama filled thread. I might have to go see whats going on over at the Beetle forum(do they even have one??) I am sure they will be all about love and peace.........maybe | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 2238 Registered: 8-2002 |
XOXOXO | ||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 411 Registered: 3-2001 |
Rob...your observation seems to be spot on. My comments were directed at the 3rd party. I'm glad things are ironed out with all those who are truely involved. Those are the only parties who should have been involved in the first place. I am now stepping down off my soapbox. Peace. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 3565 Registered: 12-2000 |
I don't think it has blown out of proportion, things on the internet come across more intense than they really are. The 1st parties involved with this are already cool. Only ones that need to settle were those 3rd parties on here and now 4th parties (Matt) blowing up over the 3rd parties blowing up. Pretty funny, I think FoH, FCA, Jason, and I are just sitting back chuckling a little. Really not a big deal, but everything sounds like it on the internet. Peace. | ||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 410 Registered: 3-2001 |
Matt...you're right that they could have handled the situation with softer gloves. BUT....let's not forget the fact that FOH requested that no one take pictures and post on the internet without their permission. This happened. What is FOH supposed to do?? Heavy handed?? Yes. Without provocation?? No. Does it look bad in the publics eye?? Yes. Is this a situation that FOH wanted to be put in?? No. If someone comes into your world, and violates the terms of conduct, doing exactly what you asked not to happen....you will feel violated. When violated, you respond. Jason appologized, which was the right thing to do. Rob is an unwitting middle man in this whole thing. FOH wants to protect itself (and they do not have to justify it to anyone). It's over. And now for me to hear all this bitching from a bunch of babies....it kills me. Why does everyone have to blow things out of proportion? And which comment that I've made is ridiculous? Seems to me like I'm one of the few people who are seeing this for what it is. | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 2234 Registered: 8-2002 |
Matt, I am going through a similar issue with FCA - SW and it's no picnic. Granted we may not know what is going on behind the doors of these places but by having such tactics as lawsuit over pictures is as reduculious as that comments you are making. They may have a valid point BUT there are better ways of handling these issues. They may have a great repair shop and management but as in all things, it is perception. And right now perception is not looking good in anyone's eyes. | ||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 409 Registered: 3-2001 |
No Hans, it's bigger than that. This is seriously petty. Hearing everyone rant and rave about how much they think FOH f*cked up over some photos, is really too much to handle. I think the board is being immature, and blowing things out of proportion. FOH is the most professional Ferrari race shop in the USA. No ifs ands or buts about it. DO ANY OF YOU GUYS REALLY KNOW WHAT GOES ON AT FOH?? TO HEAR ALL THIS SH*T COMING FROM ALL THESE BOARD MEMBERS WHO DON'T HAVE THE SLIGHTEST IDEA OF WHAT FOH IS REALLY ABOUT....PISSES ME OFF. So....as I said before....EVERYONE SHOULD JUST SHUT THE F*CK UP.......F*CKING BABIES!! | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 880 Registered: 4-2002 |
Err, didn't get our morning coffee, Matt? | ||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 408 Registered: 3-2001 |
I bought my 355 Challenge Car from Ferrari of Houston. The car had two major issues that came up after I bought it, that needed fixing, and Ferrari of Houston DID A FANTASTIC JOB, GOING OUT OF ITS WAY, TO TAKE CARE OF IT!! I am a BIG fan of FOH. They have a very professional approach to what they do. To be honest, it PISSES ME OFF that some people here are getting all bent out of shape over this. FOH has the right to control images that were taken by mistake. No ifs ands or buts about it. Maybe it wasn't done with the softest of gloves, but that's not YOUR PROBLEM!! So....will you guys just SHUT THE F*CK UP AND GET A LIFE!! Don't you get it???? Do you have any idea what kind of operation you have in Houston? I would die to have them here. All we have on the East coast are a bunch of bumbling hacks compared to FOH. It seems like all you have down in Houston are a bunch of petty little boys. I think you all should stay down there....as NYC and the rest of the big, grown up world will be a little to scary for you sensitive BOYS. And Hans...you really told them!!!! Man....sometimes cyberpeople really piss me off. | ||
| Jason Williams (Pristines4)
Junior Member Username: Pristines4 Post Number: 105 Registered: 12-2002 |
Guys, Like a few other members have said, this has been blown out of proportion, IMHO. The reason I put my URL on the pictures was because I was going to make a full page on my website dedicated to the FCA Houston and FoH Dealership. I had put together a text document that would have explained the pictures were from a generous tour that I was invited to by the FCA Houston. I was going to give all credit to FoH, and make it perfectly clear that the pictures were not from my own shop - since I don't have a shop yet. And yes, I did post the pictures on FerrariForum.net as well. I was so thrilled about going on the tour and seeing such amazing pieces of artwork that I wanted to show the world. They have been removed as well. I apologize for not getting permission prior to my posting. I apologize for any misunderstandings that have accorded thus far. And I apologize that it had to come this far. Jason- | ||
| ken rentiers (Rentiers)
New member Username: Rentiers Post Number: 44 Registered: 2-2003 |
In defense of FoH they bent over backwards to ensure the success of the FCA tour, it was a stellar event. Ferrari SPA has many concerns regarding it's brand image (2/3 of income is from other than cars -FILA, MATTELL etc.) They also have discretionary concerns regarding customer privacy. Jason is just an intelligent, enthusiastic kid. He posted those pix without malice, FoH asked they be removed and they were. End of story - I find this castigation of FoH most regrettable. FoH is a superlative organization. -ken- | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 878 Registered: 4-2002 |
This royally cheezes me off! I was, uh, just casually looking at one of their cars. I sent them the following: ================================================== Sirs: Your recent bad treatment of participants on FerrariChat has only served to alienate the Ferrari community from your establishment. I would have thought that you would have benefitted from the free publicity. I guess not. I was 'eyeing' one of your used cars during a recent visit. However, now there is absolutely NO WAY that I would consider purchasing anything from you! Hope the 'SuperBeetles' totally crunch you during upcoming GrandAm races. Hans E. Hansen | ||
| John A. Suarez (Futureowner)
Member Username: Futureowner Post Number: 458 Registered: 3-2002 |
Grady, thanks for clearing things up. I doubt FoH would have said anything if the pictures were posted without the embossed company name. Small error now corrected. I say fuhhhhgetaboutit | ||
| Foc355B (Foc355b)
New member Username: Foc355b Post Number: 22 Registered: 11-2002 |
Wouldn't you think that FOH might want to put on a nice image in front of over 1500 Ferrari enthusiasts? Now they just look horrible. The sad part is that this whole deal is over pictures of a few cars, that I'm sure all Ferrari lovers were enjoying. | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 758 Registered: 5-2002 |
Boy don't you just admire the brotherly love among the Ferrari world. Price gouging, overpriced parts and service, strong arm tactics, copyright infringements, lawsuit allegations, legal threats, conditional photo sessions, etc. Makes you feel all warm and cozy inside, doesn't it? I can feel the love,...NOT!!! | ||
| Grady Owens (Blu512tr)
New member Username: Blu512tr Post Number: 1 Registered: 2-2003 |
This situation with FOH and the FCA Tour has gone over the edge. I am the one who: #1) Arranged the tour and set this whole thing up. #2) Talked to Jason and told Jason that "My batteries were dead in my camera... would you take a few photo's in my behalf." #3) Recieved the first phone call from FOH asking that the pictures be removed from the web site. I have a few comments and now I want this entire discussion to cease!!! I overheard the general manager of FOH tell not just one person, but two "yes, you can take photo's but for personnel use only. PLEASE do not put any photos on the internet". This is a near direct quote. Jason may or may not have heard this request. The biggest problem that FOH had, was not the photo's but the fact that the photos had a company name unrelated to FOH embossed across the photo's, which gave the false illusion that these were taken in that company's shop!!! The Ferrari Club of America has a direct link to the Ferrari of North America dealership network. The relationship that we have with the local dealers is important to both the dealers and the FCA members / customers. A simple request was made by FOH, and perhaps not everyone heard the request. At this time all of this chatter and any negative comments should quit. Jasons Photographs are gone from the internet and this was all that was requested in the first place. I intended to place my photographs along with a few from Jason's Camera, on the Houston Chapter FCA website along with a description of the dealership tour. This entire "posting" was being sent to FOH for their input or comments PRIOR to sending it to the internet. This was the agreement that I had with the management of FOH. The tour was great!! We had 35 people tour the facility for a peek behind the scenes and everyone very much enjoyed this event. G. Owens Ferrari Club of America, Houston Chapter President. | ||
| Tillman Strahan (Tillman)
Member Username: Tillman Post Number: 383 Registered: 11-2001 |
Rob, it makes a great deal of difference who asked you to remove the post. If it was Jason, because he inadvertantly misunderstood the requirments of an event to which he was invited, then that's one thing. If it was FoH, coming after you directly, then it's an entirely different matter. Any agreement they might have had with Jason doesn't extend to you. I realize it might not be practical to fight that request, but they certainly wouldn't have had the right to force you to remove it. | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 912 Registered: 8-2002 |
It wasn't only Rob: http://www.ferrariforum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=891 Edit: Now I see that this was also Jason (Pristine). | ||
| Jason Williams (Pristines4)
Junior Member Username: Pristines4 Post Number: 104 Registered: 12-2002 |
I'm behind you 100% Rob. I should have gotten permission prior to posting. My mistake. Jason- | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 3562 Registered: 12-2000 |
yes, I went against my own long term policy of removing posts or parts of posts. I was kinda broad sided by this event and think I made the best decision for the time being. To the users, I'm sorry I sold out, but until I can think things through, I don't have the resources to deal with these things. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 3561 Registered: 12-2000 |
Ok, who's going to make up my law team? Here's some of the facts I know about... 1) FoH requested that no one take pictures and post on the internet without their permission. Grady is taking pictures for the FCA website, but Joe is going to approve it first. 2) Jason took pictures and posted on FerrariChat.com with his company website on the photos. 3) I was requested to remove them and did. It doesn't matter who requested them removed, it was my choice, many times I don't do as requested, but this time I did. I removed the pics. Jason said he wasn't told about the internet restriction. I will be really pissed if Ferrari of Houston or any other users carry this on more than it is now. This is plain and simple... there was miscommunication about taking and posting pics, the mistake was corrected, the event is over. Let's give Ferrari of Houston the benefit of the doubt as they're new to dealing with the internet community. I see no reason why we all can't have a good relationship going forward. | ||
| Kelly (Tifosi1)
Member Username: Tifosi1 Post Number: 554 Registered: 2-2002 |
Rob, I know you and I have has this discussed this before, but was this the deleteing of a post on FerrariChat? What's Risi's problem. he does not realize that we are his customers. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 776 Registered: 1-2002 |
Mark is right. Also, please allow me to amplify on my previous comments. Sorry, Rob, but this situation really hacks me off, as an FCA leader & FC regular. It appears that Joe of FOH actually DEMANDED, on threat of legal action, that Rob remove these pictures WITHOUT EXPLAINING TO ANYONE HERE, since they were worried their image might suffer if it became known that they were using strongarm tactics to stifle postings on FerrariChat. Rather than dealing with the poster directly, they tried to smack down the messenger. Brilliant, guys. Brilliant. If you're reading this, please remember that you need FerrariChat members as much as FerrariChat members need you...and a good 2-way relationship is the ONLY way that will happen. Using mobster tactics ain't gonna cut it. | ||
| Mark (Study)
Member Username: Study Post Number: 424 Registered: 10-2001 |
FOH will learn what every other car dealer that has tried to control its image on the web.... It can't be done. And all you do is end up looking like the bad guy. The web belongs to everyone and we don't like it when some big-shot thinks they can control all our actions. I respect a dealer that can take the good coments with the bad. We are smarter then FOH gives us credit for. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 775 Registered: 1-2002 |
It seems that FOH needs to take a chill pill. First they are all worked up about "negative" posts on FerrariChat, and now this? And they're threatening Rob with LEGAL ACTION? Give me a freakin' BREAK! They need to grow some cajones, FAST. And, they need to review the 1st amendment. Good grief! | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 2223 Registered: 8-2002 |
I don't get these people... What's the deal, did their gold chains get stuck in their back hair? | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 3559 Registered: 12-2000 |
Thanks Jason for your quick response. Let's move on. | ||
| Jason Williams (Pristines4)
Junior Member Username: Pristines4 Post Number: 103 Registered: 12-2002 |
I got an email today regarding the pictures I posted previously, which have now been removed. In that email I was told that all those attending the tour were told not to take pictures and post them on the internet - I was not. On the contrary, I was encouraged to take pictures by one of the attending members, due to the fact that his camera had run out of batteries. However, in spite of this, I apologize for the problems caused by my postings, and I thank Rob for deleting the pictures upon their request. Distraught and confused, Jason- | ||
| Jason Williams (Pristines4)
Junior Member Username: Pristines4 Post Number: 101 Registered: 12-2002 |
I can't rememeber Ken. The only price I remember is that one you pointed out for the F355. Jason- PS. Ken, did you get the email I sent you with the picture of the F50 and Jason? | ||
| ken rentiers (Rentiers)
New member Username: Rentiers Post Number: 38 Registered: 2-2003 |
From the FoH website 65 275GTS, Rosso Corsa/Black Carpets/Black Seats. 6-Carb Model. Fully-Restored by Ferrari of Houston 42,065 Miles 713-772-3868 for Details I am very hesitant to relate the asking price, which was posted on the windshield, cuz I can't remember it but it was either $165K or $185K. Jason? -ken- | ||
| william speer (Wspeer)
Junior Member Username: Wspeer Post Number: 152 Registered: 8-2002 |
ferrari of houston has had this car for a VERY long time. i would guess the dallas car is a different car. if i am not mistaken, foh is asking either $175k or $195k for the car. it appears to be in excellent shape. | ||
| Jason Williams (Pristines4)
Junior Member Username: Pristines4 Post Number: 100 Registered: 12-2002 |
Rob, No clue about the 275, sorry. :-) Have any of the people who were on the tour besides Ken replied yet? Jason- | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 3534 Registered: 12-2000 |
Is that red 275 GTS the same one that was at FoD in December? Tony said that it was a Bob Smith restore. Beautiful car, he did say it had 3 people who wanted it and there wasn't even a price on it yet. | ||
| Chris Parr (Cmparrf40)
Member Username: Cmparrf40 Post Number: 558 Registered: 3-2002 |
Yes, it WAS Paul's car, but now belongs to Ferrari of Houston. | ||
| les brun (Labcars)
New member Username: Labcars Post Number: 46 Registered: 1-2003 |
As the proud owner of a yellow 275gts, I think Dr. Tommy is very astute in his choice of that particular car. 275 gts' are incredilble fun. Can you say "SWEEEEET"!!!! | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Intermediate Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 1121 Registered: 8-2001 |
Isn't that Paul Frame's F50? | ||
| Jason Williams (Pristines4)
Junior Member Username: Pristines4 Post Number: 98 Registered: 12-2002 |
I'm bored so here's a few more: | ||
| Jason Williams (Pristines4)
Junior Member Username: Pristines4 Post Number: 97 Registered: 12-2002 |
Here's another of the 275: | ||
| Ric Rainbolt (Ricrain)
Member Username: Ricrain Post Number: 475 Registered: 2-2002 |
For more 360ch detail shots, see http://www.rainbolt.com/ferrari/360ch/index.html | ||
| Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
Member Username: Vwalfa4re Post Number: 519 Registered: 5-2001 |
I'll take the 275 GTS. | ||
| ken rentiers (Rentiers)
New member Username: Rentiers Post Number: 35 Registered: 2-2003 |
re Jason's excellent pix: A few liner notes-from the bottom The F50 is the first one in the US, FoH bought it back from a customer, seriously for sale. The 328 GTB s/n 78881 my personal car - 1 of 35 '89 328 GTBs. Yes I drive in the rain. The 275 GTS is also available, the red spider between the 575 and F-40. The interiors (from the bottom) F-40 dunno if steering wheel is stock 360 Challenge 360 stock, note radar detector on steering column 360 GT one of the Daytona cars. The steering wheel has been removed, those are trans paddles. Next up is the 360 GT of which the interior is shown in the previous photos. Cosmetic blemishes courtesy 24 H of Daytona. Next up Jason's friend Tim and same 360 GT. Note L rear corner punt. To either side of the vertical bar you can just see the stainless chokes used under race rules to limit air intake. Next is jig used to rebuild aluminum frames. One of 5 in US. Challenge car is up with missing front clip. etc. -ken- | ||
| izel k. (Ferrarist)
Junior Member Username: Ferrarist Post Number: 142 Registered: 3-2001 |
Dan i think it's the stock steering wheel for F40. | ||
| Ton Visser (Lion315)
Junior Member Username: Lion315 Post Number: 174 Registered: 12-2002 |
Jason, Beautiful pics!! Thanks for sharing. Ton | ||
| Jason Williams (Pristines4)
Junior Member Username: Pristines4 Post Number: 96 Registered: 12-2002 |
F40: | ||
| Jason Williams (Pristines4)
Junior Member Username: Pristines4 Post Number: 95 Registered: 12-2002 |
The bottom one is the F40. I'll post a few pictures of it in the next post. I must have close to 30 pictures JUST of this beautiful car! This is the third from the bottom, the only non-challenge car: This is the second from the bottom. It had the entire nose torn off, and this was the rest of it: And here's the top car: | ||
| Jason Williams (Pristines4)
Junior Member Username: Pristines4 Post Number: 94 Registered: 12-2002 |
No problem Des. Give me a few minutes to resize the car's pictures and you can see what they look like. :-) Jason- | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 267 Registered: 9-2002 |
That's not the stock F40 steering wheel, is it? --Dan | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 2150 Registered: 8-2002 |
Jason, these last pictures you posted- the interiors- can you tell us a little bit more about the car...? Like what it is, etc...? Very nice pictures, by the way, looks like you had a blast... | ||
| Jason Williams (Pristines4)
Junior Member Username: Pristines4 Post Number: 93 Registered: 12-2002 |
Enjoy! | ||
| Jason Williams (Pristines4)
Junior Member Username: Pristines4 Post Number: 92 Registered: 12-2002 |
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| Dan (Bobafett)
Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 264 Registered: 9-2002 |
Jason, Much thanks. WHile I must admit the modular wheels look *much* better in your pictures than I've seen otherwise, I'm still partial to the stock wheels. --Dan | ||
| Jason Williams (Pristines4)
Junior Member Username: Pristines4 Post Number: 91 Registered: 12-2002 |
This one? Jason- | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 255 Registered: 9-2002 |
Anymore pictures of the 575 w/ modular wheels - they look a lot better than some of the other pictures... --Dan | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 2138 Registered: 8-2002 |
Awesome... Just awesome... | ||
| John (Modenaf1fan)
Junior Member Username: Modenaf1fan Post Number: 106 Registered: 11-2002 |
NIIIICE | ||
| Jason Williams (Pristines4)
Junior Member Username: Pristines4 Post Number: 90 Registered: 12-2002 |
FINALLY got most of the pictures uploaded onto my computer, but I'm still in the process up uploading them to my site. I'm going to make a full page devoted to the FoH Club. If they'll let me. ;-) Jason- Here are a few teasers to get your mouth wet: |