| Author | Message | ||
| Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
Member Username: Jordan747_400 Post Number: 365 Registered: 12-2002 |
Well, the kids of my generation...at least in texas, grew up wanting the countach/early diablo and an F40. Though they were made a few years before us, those were the cars that kids always talked about. I remember school book fares that always had car posters for sale, and those three cars were always on them. When looking back on my childhood at FoH every weekend, the only car I remember they had was an F40 that they let me sit in. I couldnt tell you anything else in the showroom. So I guess because of that, I dream mostly of an F40...just lusting over one today at Newport Autosport. It was gorgeous but made me distraught because it only had 165 miles  Apart from the F40, I think the F50 has a gorgeous design, though I agree it isn't as simple and purpose built as the race car F40. | ||
| Guillaume (Vancooper)
New member Username: Vancooper Post Number: 33 Registered: 10-2002 |
I sometime believe that which supercar they like relates to which era they are from. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right but for myself I always LOVED the F50 much more than the F40 just because the F50 was my first true dreamcar and it's what fuelled my interest for Ferrari's in general. The F40 always looked old fashioned to me but then again, I was still a baby when the F40 came out and I still wasn't in the position to understand the idea behind the F40...even less the 288 GTO... Maybe It's also because I have never seen an F40 in person. I've seen a couple of F50's in person and everytime I spent a good hour just walking around it and try to imagine what it is to drive one of these beauties. As for the Enzo, I was shocked at first because of it's highly radical and purpose full design but I've already gotten accustomed to it's looks. But I swear I'd buy an F50 over an Enzo because I'd own my dreamcar! | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Junior Member Username: Psk Post Number: 146 Registered: 11-2002 |
My opinion: F40 is an awesome no holds barred race car, that you can drive on the road. No trim, and nothing other than race car. F40 still the top! F50 is a street car, that moves it into poser teritory, and does not have that race car look, because it is not a race car, like the F40. FACT: Race cars always look better than road cars, ie. a competition Daytona is much more exciting looking than a road Daytona. Thus the F40 has that race car excitement about it that the F50 will never have. Compare the 550 race cars versus the road cars, the 550 race car is just awesome, hard-on material!! Enzo, Looks wise has missed the mark again, and looks like a road car. Lets hope Ferrari race it so it does not become another poser car like the F50. Just my opinion, but why build all that car and performance and play with yourself on the road, it is just plain messy  . I would not even drive an F40 on the road if I owned one, I would race the crap out of it every opportunity I got ... that is what it was built for. I think if you are not a motorracing petrol head you may not get the F40 versus the F50, and why the F50 is just plain ugly and missed, and why also the Enzo just does not quite have it. Pete | ||
| Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
Member Username: Jordan747_400 Post Number: 360 Registered: 12-2002 |
I agree, the F50 is the best looking in my point of view... | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 876 Registered: 4-2002 |
The styling issue sure is controversial, with little agreement. I think the F50 is the BEST looking car EVER. Period. | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Junior Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 160 Registered: 6-2002 |
F50's looks Many people are of the opinion that the F50 isn't really the car that they think Enzo would have wanted. It's TOO pedestrian and softened to be the successor to the F40 (basically a race car for the street, deal.) Not to say the F50 isn't damn fast (like, F40 fast. Ish. Well... it's fast for sure.) and comfy(ish) at the same time. This dosen't nessicarily relate to fact, the F50 may be THE raciest car Ferrari has ever produced. The F130 type engine in the car aparently has a lot in common (maybe just radically detuned, and cams) to the 750bhp F130a motor in the F50GT (same displacement, everything.) Hell, the F50 uses the engine block as an integral part of the chassis for god's sake! (just like an F1 car.) and the Enzo went back to a slightly more conventional design. The F50 may just be the baddest Ferrari ever, <very> cleverly disguised and detuned. It. Just. Should have been able to completely destroy the F40 around a track stock, and it dosen't. Some even put the F40 faster with a capable driver. The Enzo on the other hand, has all the right specs<1.4gee> , and 660hp normally aspirated... It's 100lbs heavier than the F50 (and nearly 400 than the F40, but..) If it dosen't eat both the F40 and F50 around a track (and even give a slicked F40LM a run for it's money) the driver should take it out of reverse and try a lap going *forwards* :P) Best! Ben. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 581 Registered: 8-2001 |
Aaron, Benny's got some very cool cars, I believe a few F40's (Lm and what not), an F50, a 333sp, a Mini Cooper ;) lol, and a Pagani Zonda among other cars... Nice guy, always at the FCA NE track meets | ||
| Kevin Marcus (Rumordude)
Junior Member Username: Rumordude Post Number: 121 Registered: 9-2001 |
Oh, I am sure my bandwidth will suffer for this... http://www.autosensations.com/video/TopGear-FerrariF1vsF50.asx http://www.autosensations.com/video/Ferrari_Enzo_Short.avi I don't have nay interesting f40 tests to add to the mix but hey... | ||
| Aaron Williams (Aawil)
Junior Member Username: Aawil Post Number: 60 Registered: 8-2002 |
Benny Caiola that name sounded familar. I think motorweek tested his F50 on there show. I remember taping it. | ||
| ross koller (Ross)
Member Username: Ross Post Number: 699 Registered: 3-2002 |
ansgar, you are right, 1315 total all models included. i should have consulted my list before sending my first note. | ||
| Ansgar Schürmeyer (Taunus)
Junior Member Username: Taunus Post Number: 115 Registered: 6-2002 |
Ross, only just about 1300 (i think 1311 or 1315 units) F40 were made. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Advanced Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 3152 Registered: 2-2001 |
Making the F40 800-1000hp though is a matter of a couple turbos, fuel injectors, and revamped engine management. Nothing Maranello produces for the street would ever touch that. I like the F50 a lot though, probably the last manual supercar, and the styling is the best IMO of the three (f40-enzo). On a wet track it's up in the air, everythings slow but I would give the Enzo the advantage with its heavier weight and midrange torque. In the dry though nothing will keep up with an F40 considering how easy it is to mod it. If I get the car for free or I am ridiculously successful, I'd take the F50 in a second over any of them though. The F50 is already way too much car for the street, it's perfect. | ||
| Kevin Marcus (Rumordude)
Junior Member Username: Rumordude Post Number: 118 Registered: 9-2001 |
Well, I can't speak much to the enzo/f50 as much as the f40/f50. Supposedly the enzo is a great improvement on all the performance numbers on a track - but by the same light, I'd argue that any track which isn't a straight line -- especially one that is wet -- the f50 will annihilate the f40. f40 f50 enzo z06 bhp/liter 162.81 110.64 110.22 71.49 weight 2646 2932 3020 3117 0-60 3.8 3.7 3.5 3.9 1/4 mi 11.8 12.1 ??? 12.4 note the enzo has slightly larger rear tires also. the f50 is much more refined and mature a car than the f40 in terms of appearance. And, much like they claim on the enzo, that's largely because of the downforce generated by the changes in shape over time. For what it's worth, the enzo also has those super nice f1 paddle shifters for those who like that. -------------------- I think much of the unlovingness of the f50 comes from the handling of the f50 deployment, which could very well lead to the same problems for the enzo. Lease/purchase requirement aside, the flipping deterrent and the "we'll call you if we like you" doesn't do anything for the people they don't choose (like me) except ponder what the 'next best available' car might be... | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 1965 Registered: 2-2001 |
Also the F40 is an awesome track car, although Benny Caiola who owns both says the F50 is also a great track car. but the F40 ran at leMans, the F50 never did. Then Ferrari built 3 F50 GT1s but made the owners sign a contract stating they would never race it, Stupid | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1224 Registered: 2-2001 |
I love it that the F50 has an open top (like an F1 car and 333SP). I would have mine off all the time and just go driving. It HAS to be awesome! Ernesto | ||
| ross koller (Ross)
Member Username: Ross Post Number: 696 Registered: 3-2002 |
ok, i accept some of that, but they only made 349, vs the nearly 2000 f40's, and the removable top is no big deal if you just leave it on the whole time.....anyway, wonder what rumordude has to say about this | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 1961 Registered: 2-2001 |
The F50 is a bit odd looking, so is the Enzo though F40 is best looking of the bunch. Also the F50 was starcrossed cus of its removable hardtop & I think Ferrari did the car a great disservice by never racing it against the BigMac, Porsche & MB GT1 cars | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 578 Registered: 10-2001 |
I think the F40 is a bargain compared to the F50 which hardly improved the F40's performance numbers. The Enzo on the other hand is much faster than the F50/F40 . | ||
| ross koller (Ross)
Member Username: Ross Post Number: 695 Registered: 3-2002 |
i was just perusing the stats of both cars and it seems to me that the f50 is looking like a bargain at roughly half the cost. why is the f50 so unloved vs the f40, and is the dif to the enzo just because the latter is the newest/hottest product from ferrari? |