| Author | Message | ||
| ken rentiers (Rentiers)
New member Username: Rentiers Post Number: 46 Registered: 2-2003 |
"I vote Democrat. I've always heard that Democrats are "tax and spend". Probably true. But I think we're quickly finding out that Republicans are "Don't tax...and spend a LOT more!" Gonna really screw the country I think." Lee: Do not fall into the trap of assuming lower taxes = lower revenues. They keep the taxes up to maintain power. As both JFK and RR demonstrated cutting taxes raises revenues. See Kemp -Roth curve. -ken- | ||
| Dave328GTB (Hardtop)
Member Username: Hardtop Post Number: 434 Registered: 1-2002 |
Lee, If you don't have faith in people's reason and will, why on earth would you want more government regulation since government is, after all, made of people? Dave | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 343 Registered: 4-2002 |
jon: sorry about the 'r' in you name below. | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 342 Registered: 4-2002 |
At heart: I'm a libritarian, however I agree with the republicans about 30% of the time, and agree with the democrats about 30% of the time, and I disagree with politicians much more often than I ever agree with them. I totally agree with Jon Koford with one minor exception--those who are truely disabled should not be in the middle of the rat race like the rest of us. (Time -- long term time, not where we are now) | ||
| Bryan Phillips (Bryanp)
Junior Member Username: Bryanp Post Number: 53 Registered: 8-2002 |
Libertarian at heart - I'm a child of the Dep't of Defense; Dad's an Admiral (BEAT ARMY!) - so for practical purposes, I'm a republican, but absolutely no fan of the christian right (when did these guys get control over the party of 'the government that governs best governs least??) - they can all go to hell (where I have a condo w/ a 6 car garage). I live in the People's Republic of Arlington, Virginia where I'm beginning to think that my property tax is based on how many cylinders my F-car has . . . | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 956 Registered: 6-2001 |
I'm a bit to the left of the deomocrats. | ||
| Rikky Alessi (Ralessi)
Junior Member Username: Ralessi Post Number: 51 Registered: 5-2002 |
well im young still and don't own a ferrari, but at least i am on the right path, GOP all the way... oh and I will be able to vote in the next presidential election, so tally up one more for good old G.W. | ||
| Lee Pierce (Leepierce)
New member Username: Leepierce Post Number: 17 Registered: 1-2003 |
Neat quiz, though a little simplistic on major issues. I fell between centrist and left liberal. I want to believe in less government but don't have enough faith in folks' reason and will. I believe in repealing some drugs laws but not all. I believe in the death penalty. Hypocritical, yes, but not everything is neat. Like owning a 308 that gets 11 mpg but being in favor of tough emissions standards and high taxes on gas. It's kind of like smoking. You know it's wrong but screw it; some things have to be. Anyway, I vote Democrat. I've always heard that Democrats are "tax and spend". Probably true. But I think we're quickly finding out that Republicans are "Don't tax...and spend a LOT more!" Gonna really screw the country I think. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 1985 Registered: 2-2001 |
Hugh Hefner for Pres, I'll be his VP. we'll turn Airforce 1 into Blue Bunny 1 and maybe we'll invite Monica back to the oval office if she drops 100 #  | ||
| JohnR. (Rivee)
Junior Member Username: Rivee Post Number: 145 Registered: 1-2002 |
Conservative at heart. G O P politically (have to. There's no other winable conservative candidates) Liberal? NEVER | ||
| Rijk Rietveld (Rijk365gtb4)
Junior Member Username: Rijk365gtb4 Post Number: 144 Registered: 1-2002 |
Thanks Vince, According to the liberatarian test....... I'm a liberatarian and no democrat. That will make the people on this board feel better. Rijk | ||
| KCCK (Kenneth)
Member Username: Kenneth Post Number: 327 Registered: 10-2002 |
Libertarian - just converted. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 3845 Registered: 5-2001 |
I am a liberal Monarchist! I beleve neither socialism nor democracy has proven an effective way. A monarchy would probably be best if not passed along for generations but be re-elected once dead. Kind of like a democratic monarchy. If the monarch makes grave mistakes the people can vote him out of office by a 50% majority. Elections can be called if there are 3% signed petitions for removal from office. With a monarchy you get away with political bickering, lobbying, the political 4year term thinking, which I hold responsible for the bad school system among other things that will need massive funds but benefits will not be available for 20 years. Hail King Martin! | ||
| Dave328GTB (Hardtop)
Member Username: Hardtop Post Number: 433 Registered: 1-2002 |
Given that most of us own one or more of the world's most politically incorrect, flamboyant cars, I am not surprised there are a lot of independents and libertarians here. I am independent myself, but have voted for almost every party, including libertarians, in the past. Dave | ||
| ross koller (Ross)
Member Username: Ross Post Number: 704 Registered: 3-2002 |
i have always thought of myself as a conservative, which usually means i vote republican, but not always. i liked the libertarian site, and can agree with a lot of the views, except on foreign policy where i am much more hawkish. part of this is probably due to living abroad for most of my life - spend enough time outside of your country and you become an ardent patriot and defender of the good ol usa. by the way this is one of the main reasons the republicans abroad membership is so much bigger than democrats abroad, and also why in the last election the republicans were so anxious to have all the overseas ballots counted, (along with the military votes). | ||
| Charles Barton (Airbarton)
Member Username: Airbarton Post Number: 293 Registered: 11-2002 |
I agree with Frank. If you are a true Libertarian stop voting for the other guys out of fear, vote for what you believe in. That is exactly why the Libertarians can't get in. Everyone says " I don't want to waste my vote or I don't want the Democrats to get elected". You are wasting your vote if you do not vote for what you really believe in, and you are tainting the system for the rest of us that have the courage to do so! I also believe there is no real difference between the Democrats and the Republicans, just a different way to present the same bull! | ||
| Stephen A. Thompson, II (Sat4re)
New member Username: Sat4re Post Number: 2 Registered: 2-2003 |
Republican Forever! By the way, if you're a Democrat, how do you justify the incredibly horrible gas mileage of our Ferrari's? Perhaps yours is solar powered or maybe you purchased your prancing horse to remove it from the sinister grasp of those who would drive it often and destroy the environment. | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 908 Registered: 8-2002 |
I think that "quiz" is rather useless. The wording of questions was obviously designed to steer responses in a certain direction. Anyway, just for sh*ts and giggles, I scored 50% "personal" and 80% "economic," landing me exactly on the point shared by Right Conservative, Libertarian, and Centrist. I guess that makes me a nothing. | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 439 Registered: 8-2001 |
Wow didn't realize there were this many Libertarians on the board. This is great. I am a long time Libetarian !! Republicans want to regulate my MORAL values! Democrats want to regulate my BUSINESS values! I hate practically all regulation that doesn't involve national defense, our court system, and police powers. Regards, Jon P. Kofod 1995 F355 Challenge #23 | ||
| Vince (Manatee)
Junior Member Username: Manatee Post Number: 149 Registered: 6-2002 |
Take this test and find out which political way you lean. http://www.self-gov.org/quiz.html | ||
| Bart Duesler (The_bart)
New member Username: The_bart Post Number: 7 Registered: 1-2003 |
Libertarian | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 389 Registered: 4-2002 |
Dr. Cosgrove, go here: http://www.lp.org/ Libertarians in a nutshell: - Believe in the individual not the group. - Believe the Govt. should leave you alone. - Believe in a free market, capitalist system. William H you sound like a Libertarian to me! | ||
| Rijk Rietveld (Rijk365gtb4)
Junior Member Username: Rijk365gtb4 Post Number: 143 Registered: 1-2002 |
I guess I'm the lone democrat here Rijk | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 907 Registered: 8-2002 |
GOP as well (and a non-owner!). | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Member Username: Doody Post Number: 783 Registered: 11-2001 |
i would in fact hazard a guess that the political party affiliations represented here in ferrarichat statistically match the national breakouts in similar demographics. the fact that we all own ferraris only means we're not quite all there ;-). it doesn't mean anything politically. libertarians appear populous 'cuz they simply like to talk about the fact that they're libertarians - a lot ;-). doody. | ||
| Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
Member Username: Vwalfa4re Post Number: 531 Registered: 5-2001 |
GOP here too. Would someone define a Libertarian for me? Seriously. | ||
| Nebula Class (Nebulaclass)
Junior Member Username: Nebulaclass Post Number: 214 Registered: 11-2002 |
Socialist/Communist, with a little bit of Dictatorial/Tyrant flair tossed in. | ||
| ken rentiers (Rentiers)
New member Username: Rentiers Post Number: 43 Registered: 2-2003 |
When you think about it the preponderance of libertarians is not so surprising amongst Ferrari owners. This group is preselected by: 1: enough economic smarts to be able to buy a Ferrari. 2: enough independence of the good opinion of others to damn well go ahead and do it. 3: an affinity for the internet as someone has said already | ||
| Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 2218 Registered: 8-2002 |
Grand Old Party | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 1973 Registered: 2-2001 |
Terry has a valid point both parties are very similair but similair is not Identical. The Dems love to raise taxes then blow the $ with good intentions but they have little in the way of skillful means in which to implement their good intentions which makes them lame ducks. The Dems also enjoy using the rich as a whipping boy which doenst make me too happy The Republicans seems to handle the economy much better but I hate the death penalty as well as war and I really dislike the right wing Christians who are kissing cousins with fundamentalist Muslims I vite for whoever will cut my taxes, stop wars, raise speed limits, legalize pot & prostitution | ||
| 89TCab (Jmg)
Member Username: Jmg Post Number: 368 Registered: 9-2001 |
Libertarian | ||
| Don Vollum (Donv)
Junior Member Username: Donv Post Number: 63 Registered: 1-2002 |
Yes, Gordon had an F40. Tonkin had it for sale recently, but I think it's sold. I believe he's had other F-Cars as well, although I don't know if he has any at the moment. Anyone know of any other high-profile politicians who are also Ferrari owners? | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 874 Registered: 4-2002 |
Gordon Smith had an F40??? Wow. I was visiting him this last December. I wish I had known that. BTW, I was at a dinner a year or so ago attended by Sen Smith. Smith passed on dinner and instead talked to each and every person in the room. Not just "Hi, how are you?", but actually talked to everyone. I was impressed. | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 387 Registered: 4-2002 |
Libertarian here also. It really blows my mind that there are so many people out there who still think there is any meaningful difference between a Republican and a Democrat. I got a news flash for you. They both stand for the exact same 3 fundamental principals: 1. Maintain the status quo. 2. Keep me in office. 3. Give me your money. Isnt it interesting that our Republican President.... the party of "less Government" is presiding over the largest increase in the size of the Federal Govt. in history? The same party of less spending will have the largest dollar amount deficits in history as well. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I know nothing in the Libertarian platform that calls for the elimination of the US military. Thats a new one to me... and I try to be pretty active. | ||
| ken rentiers (Rentiers)
New member Username: Rentiers Post Number: 41 Registered: 2-2003 |
"I used to consider myself a Libertarian, but they've tended too much toward total anarchy (I doubt everyone who has already identified themselves as a "Libertarian" wants us to disband the US military). " Most practical Libertarians, including myself, see the need for a limited governement. I think of myself as a constitutionalist libertarian - I'm all for interpreting the constitution literally including the legitimate need for national self defense. Groucho Marx once said something like "I refuse to belong to any club that would have me for a member." Simlarly, libertarians have problems in groups. Just allow others the same latitudes you insist upon, given always your fist stops once inch from their nose. There is nothing in the libertarian philosphy that abandons the need to protect onself, as an individual and a nation. "My problem is on the social issues I'm a Libertarian (i.e., total freedom/acceptance, including the right to starve to death), but I want a strong military and economy." Nothing will promote the economy faster than a strictly limited FedGovCo. For 150 years FedGovCo in the US ran on 5% of the GNP, now it's edging towards 35%. Let's fix that. -ken- | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 771 Registered: 1-2002 |
Registered as Republican...but usually vote closer to libertarian. I should probably register as an independent, but am too lazy. | ||
| Don Vollum (Donv)
Junior Member Username: Donv Post Number: 62 Registered: 1-2002 |
I'm generally Libertarian myself, although I do vote Republican (the lesser of the two evils) on occasion, especially in tight US Senate races. In fact, I like my state's Republican US Senator (and former F40 owner), Gordon Smith quite a bit. Finding so many Libertarians here has more to do with the demographics of the Internet than anything specific to Ferrari owners. Try asking this question on some other car-related boards and see what answer you get. I bet Libertarians will be over-represented. | ||
| Ernie Bonilla (Ernie)
Member Username: Ernie Post Number: 545 Registered: 11-2001 |
It doesn't matter what party you are from, all politicians are liars. But for the record I'm a member of the Grand Ol Party. | ||
| Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Intermediate Member Username: 91tr Post Number: 1419 Registered: 1-2001 |
I used to consider myself a Libertarian, but they've tended too much toward total anarchy (I doubt everyone who has already identified themselves as a "Libertarian" wants us to disband the US military). My problem is on the social issues I'm a Libertarian (i.e., total freedom/acceptance, including the right to starve to death), but I want a strong military and economy. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1796 Registered: 9-2001 |
Vince, if everyone did that there would never be any Libertarians elected. Vote for the Libertarian . Even if he/she loses, if they get enough votes it will force the winning Rep. or Dem. to deal with the Libertarian issues. | ||
| Robert Callahan (Rcallahan)
New member Username: Rcallahan Post Number: 30 Registered: 7-2002 |
I had no idea there were so many Librarians on this web site. What do you guys think of this weeks NYT best sellers list? | ||
| John A. Suarez (Futureowner)
Member Username: Futureowner Post Number: 449 Registered: 3-2002 |
Well, Im not yet an owner, but I am closely Libertarian. Interesting trend here! | ||
| Tyler (Bahiaau)
Member Username: Bahiaau Post Number: 532 Registered: 12-2001 |
Vince, Libertarians now hold 593 public offices and growing each year. Certainly not competitive with the big two, but that is more offices than any other third party. WE"RE COMIN OUT!! | ||
| Vince (Manatee)
Junior Member Username: Manatee Post Number: 148 Registered: 6-2002 |
Based on Neal Boortz' definition, I'd say I'm a Libertarian. However when I go into the voting booth I don't vote Libertarian but try to choose the better of the two other evils becasue the Libertarian candidates don't stand a chance. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 3548 Registered: 12-2000 |
Libertarian | ||
| Jonas Petersen (Karsten335)
Junior Member Username: Karsten335 Post Number: 209 Registered: 11-2002 |
Capitalist | ||
| Jonas Petersen (Karsten335)
Junior Member Username: Karsten335 Post Number: 207 Registered: 11-2002 |
Capitalist | ||
| Charles Barton (Airbarton)
Member Username: Airbarton Post Number: 291 Registered: 11-2002 |
Libertarian! | ||
| Tyler (Bahiaau)
Member Username: Bahiaau Post Number: 530 Registered: 12-2001 |
Libertarian. But it's kind of like asking the political party of people who own a pair of jeans. You'll find every type. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 2184 Registered: 8-2002 |
Wow... Steve, i really think that depends on the individual Ferrari owner... One might presumptuously conclude that all Ferrari owners must have lots of money since they own Ferraris, therefore, they must be republicans, however that's just not the case... This might get interesting... | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1793 Registered: 9-2001 |
I'm a Libertarian. | ||
| les brun (Labcars)
New member Username: Labcars Post Number: 47 Registered: 1-2003 |
Should be obvious...Independent!! | ||
| Steve (Steve)
Member Username: Steve Post Number: 304 Registered: 2-2001 |
What is the political party of a Ferrari owner. Rep. or Dem. ? |