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Alex Papas (Alexpapas)
New member Username: Alexpapas
Post Number: 11 Registered: 2-2003
| Posted on Friday, March 07, 2003 - 2:16 pm: | |
Thanks guys. It took decades of hard work, but mostly I did it by ignoring everyone's common sense advice that cars are a lousy investment. To answer some questions: I am in AZ, the floor is grey epoxy, the structure is 1,000 sq ft fully air conditioned and there is direct access in/out for all four cars |
Adam R (Arymarcz)
Junior Member Username: Arymarcz
Post Number: 53 Registered: 8-2002
| Posted on Friday, March 07, 2003 - 12:40 pm: | |
Holy Sh!t Alex! You ARE the man! Simply beautiful... how many nights a week do you sleep out there? |
Mr. Doody (Doody)
Member Username: Doody
Post Number: 856 Registered: 11-2001
| Posted on Friday, March 07, 2003 - 12:14 pm: | |
alex - you are officially my new hero :-) congrats! doody! |
philip (Fanatic1)
New member Username: Fanatic1
Post Number: 27 Registered: 2-2003
| Posted on Friday, March 07, 2003 - 11:19 am: | |
Alex, Absolutely beautiful!! I love the Garage!! Do you mind me asking what part of the country you are in? If you are indeed in the U.S.? The cars are of course beautiful, but man, the garage is as much of a dream as the cars.......your floor looks like it has an epoxy coating over the cement? Geez, I'm very envious.  |
Alex Papas (Alexpapas)
New member Username: Alexpapas
Post Number: 5 Registered: 2-2003
| Posted on Friday, February 28, 2003 - 3:24 pm: | |
Thanks Terry! good to know you're on this forum |
ELI (Titanium360)
Member Username: Titanium360
Post Number: 358 Registered: 4-2002
| Posted on Friday, February 28, 2003 - 3:13 pm: | |
Alex, great collection. love the garage. |
Terry (Dogue)
Junior Member Username: Dogue
Post Number: 205 Registered: 9-2001
| Posted on Friday, February 28, 2003 - 3:10 pm: | |
I can vouch for Alex and his stable. IT is quite impressive as well as him being a HELL of a GUY! |
Jonas Petersen (Karsten335)
Junior Member Username: Karsten335
Post Number: 230 Registered: 11-2002
| Posted on Friday, February 28, 2003 - 3:05 pm: | |
Matt, What are you talking about?? Acting up?? - Why are you out to get me ? I haven't done anything. The last 4 months I've posted relevant stuff, and never questioned anyone's realiability. Seriously, stop it.  |
Manu (Manu)
Member Username: Manu
Post Number: 659 Registered: 2-2002
| Posted on Friday, February 28, 2003 - 8:38 am: | |
Veloqx Motorsport buy more Ferraris than anyone else in the world - Sultan included. |
Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus
Post Number: 2537 Registered: 8-2002
| Posted on Friday, February 28, 2003 - 8:34 am: | |
No dig on you Alex. Jonas is acting up again |
Alex Papas (Alexpapas)
New member Username: Alexpapas
Post Number: 4 Registered: 2-2003
| Posted on Friday, February 28, 2003 - 12:14 am: | |
I read Matt's rants in the infamous "Modena" thread and I figured he had a momentary relapse. DES the garage is a standalone structure on my property, around 1,000 sq ft and doors on two sides for easy access. |
Jordan Witherspoon (Jordan747_400)
Member Username: Jordan747_400
Post Number: 421 Registered: 12-2002
| Posted on Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 11:59 pm: | |
Great looking stable Alex! |
DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed
Post Number: 2484 Registered: 8-2002
| Posted on Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 11:58 pm: | |
Alex, nice collection, by the way... The picture didn't show up for me the first time... Is that your garage part of your house or some type of show room (or both)...? |
DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed
Post Number: 2483 Registered: 8-2002
| Posted on Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 11:55 pm: | |
Alex, i think Matt was making a joke about Jonas (because of the actual title of the thread), rather than jokingly calling you a "Jonas"...  |
Alex Papas (Alexpapas)
New member Username: Alexpapas
Post Number: 3 Registered: 2-2003
| Posted on Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 11:24 pm: | |
Hey Matt Was that a dig at me? Unlike your scandinavians, I'm for real. Here they are:
Do you NEED VIN's, build sheets, sweat samples from the techies who assembled them? (The Mas parks next to the Z8, but I'm sure that a purist like you would gag at the sight of a mere bimmer next to a Ferrari product). |
Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus
Post Number: 2532 Registered: 8-2002
| Posted on Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 9:50 pm: | |
Jonas Peterson  |
Alex Papas (Alexpapas)
New member Username: Alexpapas
Post Number: 2 Registered: 2-2003
| Posted on Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 7:40 pm: | |
5 '74 246 GTS (Chairs & Flares) Fly Yellow '96 F355B Red/Black '01 360 Modena Titanium/black '02 Mas Spyder White/Black 02 575M Pozzi Blue/Tan |
Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
Junior Member Username: Tbakowsky
Post Number: 243 Registered: 9-2002
| Posted on Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 7:27 pm: | |
I own the most. I have every Ferrari ever made. Even the ones that are no longer around I have them. Yup I've got them all in my head, and in the pictures on the wall and the models in my case, and in the magazines,books, drawings,toilet paper,underwear, hats, shorts, gloves, shoes,jackets,t-shirts,condoms,barf bags,key chains,pants,socks,sweaters etc. But I do have one ferrari I can call mine. My 82 308GTSI and I love it. I don't care who has the most or if you don't have any. If you have a the passion then that is all that matters. |
Tim N (Timn88)
Advanced Member Username: Timn88
Post Number: 2503 Registered: 6-2001
| Posted on Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 7:18 pm: | |
I like the barchetta better than that car in the pic. The back where the taillights are looks bad, and so does the decklid. |
Helmut Schnug (Ferrari_e_basta)
New member Username: Ferrari_e_basta
Post Number: 12 Registered: 2-2003
| Posted on Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 7:17 pm: | |
Or please visit the following website: www.ferrariownersclub.co.uk/happenings/ and click on the first/or eventually the second thread which was posted 25.2.03 regarding the Modena Ferrari Track Days. Then please read the short introduction about this unusual event to which we expect about 20 Formula 1 Ferraris, a huge number of classic and modern Ferrari and Maserati as well as some very special cars of other brands. You can click on a link to download all the detailed infos about "Track Days", "Aventure Tour" and the "Concours d' Elegance". If you like to participate, please print out both entry forms, complete them and send them back to my private address. Or you complete both forms with your pc and email the forms to my email address which is: [email protected] A confirmation/invitation email will be send to you soon so that you can make your ferry and hotel booking. See you at the RING Helmut Schnug *in the name of Uwe Meissner |
Helmut Schnug (Ferrari_e_basta)
New member Username: Ferrari_e_basta
Post Number: 11 Registered: 2-2003
| Posted on Thursday, February 27, 2003 - 7:15 pm: | |
Hello The 10th version of the "Modena Motorsport Ferrari Track Days" will happen July, 23+24. A one-day "Adenture Tour" is organized the following day, July 25. Please send me an email if you want detailed infos and the entry forms via email. An event, which you shouldn't miss! [email protected] (Helmut Schnug)
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Edvar van Daalen (Evandaalen)
Junior Member Username: Evandaalen
Post Number: 90 Registered: 10-2001
| Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 3:17 am: | |
William, the automatic transmission is not the same as in a 456 GTA. At least the stick doesn't look the same. In fact, it doesn't look like Ferrari at all. I have the interior of this car on film. Maybe I can grab a picture out of it ... By the way, I was told by a reliable source (one of the "big guys" at Ferrari) that the car is a one-off, made by Ferrari for the Sultan. And it was NOT a prototype of the 550 Barchetta ... |
Edvar van Daalen (Evandaalen)
Junior Member Username: Evandaalen
Post Number: 89 Registered: 10-2001
| Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 3:10 am: | |
Here is the pic of the 550 Spider (picture made by my brother Arvid)
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Edvar van Daalen (Evandaalen)
Junior Member Username: Evandaalen
Post Number: 88 Registered: 10-2001
| Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 2:56 am: | |
Bart, your question is certainly not rude. I guess I'm indeed a huge Ferraristi. After several years I know quite a lot of people in the Ferrari community (mainly because of my hobby about chassisnumbers, see www.red-headed.com/telaio) and I also visit quite a lot of Ferrari events. I go to most events of the Ferrari Club Nederland, but also to events in other European countries, like at Spa, Nurburgring, Hockenheim and Brands Hatch. I've been to the Formula One GP in Monaco eight times or so, not only for F1, but also for the fantastic cars you see driving around over there. Last year I saw around 200 Ferraris, 10 Lambos, 2 McLaren F1s, 2 Dauer EB110s, a Pagani Zonda C12S, 2 Spykers and dozens of other interesting cars. And yes, the 550 Spider was spotted in front of the Hotel de Paris in Monte-Carlo. I saw the protos at the Nurburgring when there was a nice private Ferrari meeting (the Uwe Meissner meeting, see Helmut's message somewhere else on FerrariChat). The meeting was on the normal track, but you could see the protos at the Nordschleife (the old track). Among the cars were the Maybach, BMW Z4, Lambo Murcielago, Mercedes E-class, Mini Cooper S, Porsche Cayenne and so on. Quite interesting to see all those "secret" cars! And the Cavallino Classic is certainly the most beautiful Ferrari event I've ever been too. I've been there three times, and I still LOVE it. Great weather (Florida is a LOT better than Holland in January!), fantastic cars, nice people ... just great. In the next issue of Gli Amici della Ferrari (the magazine of the Ferrari Club Nederland), there will be an article about this event. I'll try to send you a copy (it will appear late March I believe ...) Anyway, the conclusion is that you see a lot of the world when you're a huge Ferraristi ;-) (p.s. I will answer your email as soon as I can ...) |
Ming Cheng (Onlinesys)
Junior Member Username: Onlinesys
Post Number: 203 Registered: 5-2002
| Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 2:00 am: | |
Hi Najib, I agree with the preference on the exterior look of the 348 or 355 is purely subjective but the overall engine, transmission and suspension are definitely more refined in 355. The price difference for a 94 348 spider and a 94 355 GTB is no more than 20% in HK. |
Najib Amanullah (Najib)
Junior Member Username: Najib
Post Number: 240 Registered: 4-2001
| Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 1:08 am: | |
Ernie you are doggedly trying to stick to the original topic in vain....Looks like the Sultan has hijacked this thread. Anyway I bought my 348 TS for all the reasons you mentioned...I love its looks, it is very good value for money and performance-wise is no slouch. As far as trim and materials used, I honestly could not see the great difference between the 348 and 355 that people talk about. In fact they share so many parts they look almost similar with many people commenting that the 348 actually looks the newer model. Plus without the Sultans wealth at my disposal, I could not see the point in spending twice the money for taking a half second off 0-60 times. |
Dennis (Bighead)
New member Username: Bighead
Post Number: 4 Registered: 2-2003
| Posted on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 10:14 pm: | |
Re the Sultan of Brunei -- it wasn't him (so much) that collected the thousands of cars; it was his brother Jefri. The scandal erupted a few years ago, and the Sultan ended up suing Prince Jefri. The case was settled three years ago. Is the Sultan poorer than he was, say, five years ago? Probably. Is he in dire financial straits? I dunno - is having $10-$30 billion dollars considered dire financial straits? Lastly, has his lifestyle changed? Sure. Since the scandals erupted, he's made a lot of changes -- as would any ruler whose subjects were not impressed by his behavior (or that of his family). Check out these stories: http://www.atimes.com/se-asia/BG27Ae02.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/747468.stm vty, --Dennis |
Ernie Bonilla (Ernie)
Member Username: Ernie
Post Number: 554 Registered: 11-2001
| Posted on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 9:10 pm: | |
Ok Dr.I has the lead now with five. So for those of you that own more than one. Was there any particular reason you picked the models you have? Was it looks, price, performance? |
John G (Heat_seeker_ws6)
New member Username: Heat_seeker_ws6
Post Number: 11 Registered: 12-2002
| Posted on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 7:31 pm: | |
A friend of mine has 4. F40 '67 GTB/4 '53 166MM '84 512i BB |
Omar (Auraraptor)
Member Username: Auraraptor
Post Number: 364 Registered: 9-2002
| Posted on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 5:08 pm: | |
Well it might of leaked...bad  |
william speer (Wspeer)
Junior Member Username: Wspeer
Post Number: 161 Registered: 8-2002
| Posted on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 4:53 pm: | |
the 550 top folds up into the trunk much the same way the mercedes slk and new sl500 does. the trunk lid is similar to the existing barchetta but without the humps that follow inline with the headrests. it also has an automatic transmission, which i would assume is from the 456 gta, it is not a f1 style shifter. for the expense that pininfarina must have put into designing the hardtop, it is a wonder that more of these haven't surfaced. |
Dr. I. M. Ibrahim (Coachi)
Junior Member Username: Coachi
Post Number: 208 Registered: 5-2002
| Posted on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 3:14 pm: | |
5 |
Racer 001 (Mr_0011)
Member Username: Mr_0011
Post Number: 508 Registered: 3-2002
| Posted on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 1:27 pm: | |
550 Spider w/ hardtop?? Dear god... I haven't heard of it... please post pics and info you've got any.  |
Chris F. (Dallasguy)
Junior Member Username: Dallasguy
Post Number: 61 Registered: 10-2002
| Posted on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 1:05 pm: | |
A while back I saw a picture of one of his garages on the net. Every car in the shot was a one-off, custom job. Also heard that several of the F1 cars have mysteriously dissappeared, only to resurface in one of his garages years later. Apparently he has one of the largest collections of used F1's. If I get a chance, I will try to find that article on the net. |
Bart Boonacker (Sharky666)
Junior Member Username: Sharky666
Post Number: 201 Registered: 9-2002
| Posted on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 12:43 pm: | |
Edvar, If it's to rude feel free to ignore this question but how did you get to see al those cool cars (550 Spider, those proto's you talked about, been to the Cavallino Classic etc.)? Just a huge Ferraristi or because of journalistic backgrounds ? (because you wrote an article for Cavallino) Just curious Bart
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RANDOLPH MADAMBA (Pogibm)
New member Username: Pogibm
Post Number: 33 Registered: 8-2002
| Posted on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 12:38 pm: | |
I dont think i have the most but i do have 3. I have seen the sultans car collection,there are 500 cars or more. My father knows sultan and the sultans father very well our company built there hihgways back in the late seventy's. |
Edvar van Daalen (Evandaalen)
Junior Member Username: Evandaalen
Post Number: 87 Registered: 10-2001
| Posted on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 8:53 am: | |
William, I agree with your statements about the 550 Spider. I guess I'm one of the VERY few persons who has seen this car in reality (see my short article in Cavallino a few months ago) and it indeed is a lot better than the Barchetta. Just one simple button, and a nice hardtop will appear. The only disadvantage is that there is (almost) no space for luggage ..... p.s. I'll try to post a colour pic of the 550 Spider later today ... |
TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi
Post Number: 2835 Registered: 9-2001
| Posted on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 8:23 am: | |
see the previous threads on his venture into offshore banking http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/21/142053.html BTW - I think there are guys on this board who have 6 and 7 f-cars |
william speer (Wspeer)
Junior Member Username: Wspeer
Post Number: 159 Registered: 8-2002
| Posted on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 8:17 am: | |
jonas, the sultan IS in financial dire straits. keep in mind, just because he has substantial income doesn't mean that he has such a high net worth as he once did - clearly, i don't think he will be on the side of the street begging anytime soon, but his lifestyle has completely changed from the ways of excess just 5 years ago. his garages are still in tact but are no longer his. most of his cars were used as official goverment vehicles and maintained accordingly, almost all of the cars he has will require a lot of work to make them road worthy. he does in fact have a least two operational mythos (or did) , one of which is blue. the 550 with the autobox and retractable hardtop is a black on black car and absolutely stunning, why ferrari didn't build this in place of the barchetta is beyond me. the cars basically sit in a locked wharehouse with pure neglect, however with that many cars, it becomes difficult to exercise them properly. the former ocean dumping has ceased and as the cars are being sold off, they are being repaired and once again made roadworthy, afterall, if you had access to a custom ferrari would you mind having to start off with fresh services and cosmetics? i don't know to much about the grey f40, but i do know the car you are speaking of. the sultan also had a yellow and a black f40 as well.in the next several months, you will continue to see cars enter the market that are formerly the sultans. chase bank is the major debter and the only thing keeping the cars from being seized and sold are the brunei government regulations - after all, it is good to be the king (or sultan). |
Edvar van Daalen (Evandaalen)
Junior Member Username: Evandaalen
Post Number: 85 Registered: 10-2001
| Posted on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 6:25 am: | |
I'm 100% sure that the grey F40 was really ex-Brunei. I know someone who has inspected the car while it was still in Brunei .... By the way, almost all cars leaving Brunei are in a bad shape. Technical problems, bad paint, bad interior seems to be normal. It seems like many cars where delivered, driven for a few thousand miles and then sold, without ANY proper maintenance ... |
Edvar van Daalen (Evandaalen)
Junior Member Username: Evandaalen
Post Number: 84 Registered: 10-2001
| Posted on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 6:14 am: | |
Thanks Ming! The pic was taken at the Cavallino Classic (Florida) in 2000. The custom made "Ferrari clogs" were sold that day at a charity auction for US$550. Funny, isn't it :-) |
Dave Penhale (Dapper)
Member Username: Dapper
Post Number: 554 Registered: 4-2002
| Posted on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 6:10 am: | |
Edvar, You may be right but I find it very hard to believe that the grey F40 that was at Talacrest a few months ago was ex-Sultan of Brunei I know that F40 well as it was at the dealership when I was brokering the deal for my 348. That particular F40 was in terrible shape, the paint and fittings were appalling, the interior condition (leather Testarossa seating) was as bad as it gets |
Ming Cheng (Onlinesys)
Junior Member Username: Onlinesys
Post Number: 201 Registered: 5-2002
| Posted on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 5:07 am: | |
Hi Edvar, The shoes you were wearing in your profile are awesome! |
Edvar van Daalen (Evandaalen)
Junior Member Username: Evandaalen
Post Number: 83 Registered: 10-2001
| Posted on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 4:53 am: | |
I think the Sultan still owns MANY cars, but it's probably not so extreme (duh!) as a few years ago. I know that many "normal" Ferraris (355, 550 etc) has left Brunei and went to New Sealand and UK (like Talacrest). Once in a while some "special" Ferraris leave Brunei too, like the grey RHD F40 (with leather interior) that was at Talacrest a while ago. Among the cars owned by the Sultan are/were: Mythos (3 cars, RHD and in three colours), F90 (based on Testarossa), FX (based on F512 M; one is now in California), 456 Venice (6 cabrio, 6 station wagons and 6 sedans in several colours), a few RHD F40s (several colours), several F50s (some RHD), 288 GTO Evoluzione, a Ferrari F1 car, a one-off 550 Spider with automatic gearbox (I saw this one on Monaco last year). Yes, he often has multiple cars of each type (6 is indeed his magic number), most are RHD (sometimes converted), painted in all kinds of colours and fitted with automatic gearboxes (like ProDrive on the FX). |
Jonas Petersen (Karsten335)
Junior Member Username: Karsten335
Post Number: 212 Registered: 11-2002
| Posted on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 2:30 am: | |
That's not right William Speer, The Sultan of Brunei is still on the top 10 of the richest people in the world, with a personal income of over 7 billions every year. I have just read a special on him last week. There where also photo's from his garage's and they said that there where more than 5000 cars still. So Speer, I think you are the one with the wrong story No offense. I don't know if any of his buisnesses have gone bankrupt, but that don't mean anything, cuz the oil made him one of the richest men without them, so it shouldn't be a problem. |
James Selevan (Jselevan)
Member Username: Jselevan
Post Number: 359 Registered: 6-2002
| Posted on Sunday, February 23, 2003 - 11:51 pm: | |
Ernie - 246 GT Dino (1972); 365 GTC/4 (1972) 512 BBi (1983) 512 Testarossa (1986) No classics; just an average of 10.5 low-cost cylinders per car. Jim S. |
Dan (Bobafett)
Member Username: Bobafett
Post Number: 326 Registered: 9-2002
| Posted on Sunday, February 23, 2003 - 11:49 pm: | |
What do you expect of inbreds? --Dan |
Fayyaz Vellani (Fvellani)
New member Username: Fvellani
Post Number: 28 Registered: 8-2002
| Posted on Sunday, February 23, 2003 - 11:37 pm: | |
The Sultan of Brunei and his family is/were? CRAZY rich...his brother, Prince Jefri (i think) had a yacht called Tits, and 2 smaller boats called Nipple 1 and Nipple 2, or so the story goes...I read somewhere that Prince Jefri had embezzled 10 billion dollars, putting the royal family in or close to debt...not too sure about that one, but it just might be... On supercars.net a while ago they had a special on the Sultan...they were saying that he would buy 8 or 9 or each car, 1 in each colour...it was really interesting, and made me drool quite a bit  |
Michael Yip (Mightyslash)
Junior Member Username: Mightyslash
Post Number: 134 Registered: 4-2002
| Posted on Sunday, February 23, 2003 - 11:14 pm: | |
I'm going to Brunei and sell some oil |
Ernie Bonilla (Ernie)
Member Username: Ernie
Post Number: 552 Registered: 11-2001
| Posted on Sunday, February 23, 2003 - 10:57 pm: | |
Ok so far Jselevan holds the record at 4. What models are they? DES, lets not get silly bro. If we count model cars, a friend of a friend has at least 300+. Half of this guys garage is glass displays. He has the cars lined up in alphabetical order. For each make, it goes throught the model and then the years for each. No kidding I was looking at all his car for at least 30 minutes, and I still didn't see them all. You know what, why not. Lets even count previous Ferrari's owned. |
Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Junior Member Username: Artherd
Post Number: 175 Registered: 6-2002
| Posted on Sunday, February 23, 2003 - 10:53 pm: | |
"it is for this reason that the sultans cars have slowly been trickling onto the market instead of the old way of disposal, dumping them into the ocean." Tell me you're jokeing, dear GOD tell me you're jokeing!!! -Ben. |
DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed
Post Number: 2368 Registered: 8-2002
| Posted on Sunday, February 23, 2003 - 10:45 pm: | |
i posted a picture of the Mythos not too long ago, but i'm not sure if that was a one-off in his collection... Mr. Awesomebrooks knows, i could almost guarantee it... |
william speer (Wspeer)
Junior Member Username: Wspeer
Post Number: 158 Registered: 8-2002
| Posted on Sunday, February 23, 2003 - 7:26 pm: | |
additionally, the sultan owned many coach built rolls royces, bentleys, aston martins, ferraris, etc. in an article several years back it mentioned that the rolls and bentleys were purchased in lots of six (a common number ordered by the sultan for all of his cars) and included a contract for factory maintenance that cost in the neighborhood of $6 million/year. this included the two or three service techs to be placed in brunei through out the year. keep in mind, even with the ferraris- ferrari claimed these cars didn't exist for years. even though spy photos would surface, no one would acknowledge their existence. the fx is one of the most intriguing as it was a modified tr512m. there was alsoa car that was called an f90 in the spy shots and a poster was made of it. it looked like no other ferrari i had seen then or since. does anyone have any of the pics of the sultans cars? |
william speer (Wspeer)
Junior Member Username: Wspeer
Post Number: 157 Registered: 8-2002
| Posted on Sunday, February 23, 2003 - 7:21 pm: | |
ferrari did not cut anyone off. his cars were made through pininfarina with ferraris blessing- or so the story goes. the sultan and his brother had "invested" in several business ventures that have all gone bye-bye, leaving the countries former financial assets all but depleted. the government was a total sham as there was no need for all the bureacracy that existed, which has further depleted the countries assets. the only thing keeping the country afloat currently is the oil exportation, but with the sultan, who owns EVERYTHING, in receivership, it makes it difficult for him to enjoy the activities he used to. i do not know the exact count of the cars that he stills own, clearly more than just a couple, but the cars that all the rumors and imaginations have created are all but gone. a prominent ferrari broker, as mentioned in prancing horse magazine, has secured a contract to liquidate the custom and coach built cars as well as other cars in the collection. the contract was for many cars and valued in excess of half a billion dollars, and surrounded in all the bureaocarcy you could imagine. the cars can not be publiclyy advertised per the agreement. |
Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
Junior Member Username: Tbakowsky
Post Number: 226 Registered: 9-2002
| Posted on Sunday, February 23, 2003 - 7:01 pm: | |
So does he still get cars made for him by Ferrari? or has Ferrari cut him off completly. |
William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx
Post Number: 2021 Registered: 2-2001
| Posted on Sunday, February 23, 2003 - 6:41 pm: | |
The Sultan is a Sultan He is the King of an island nation near India called Brunei. They produce oil. He built a large theme park that is free to all of Brunei's citizens, he has a garage for at least 5,000 cars. When he wants to drive his cars fast he just has the Cops close the highway & goes for a tear Try that Bill Gates LOL |
L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks
Post Number: 1015 Registered: 8-2002
| Posted on Sunday, February 23, 2003 - 6:41 pm: | |
He "owns" a country that exports approx. $3.5 trillion in oil and gas annually. |
Tom Bakowsky (Tbakowsky)
Junior Member Username: Tbakowsky
Post Number: 224 Registered: 9-2002
| Posted on Sunday, February 23, 2003 - 6:37 pm: | |
Who is this sultan guy anyway? Yes I have heard of him and his Ferrari habit, but what does he do? Oil,mineing etc? Does anybody know how many cars he really has? Photos? |
James Selevan (Jselevan)
Member Username: Jselevan
Post Number: 356 Registered: 6-2002
| Posted on Sunday, February 23, 2003 - 6:21 pm: | |
Four (4) |
william speer (Wspeer)
Junior Member Username: Wspeer
Post Number: 154 Registered: 8-2002
| Posted on Sunday, February 23, 2003 - 4:47 pm: | |
there are many b.s. stories about the sultan of brunei. although several years ago, most of what you heard was true, it is no longer the case. the sultan is in receivership. most of his property has been seized. the only cars that he still has are the ones that were on the palace grounds. the "majority" of his cars were stored in off site wharehouses. as for ferrari not selling the sultan any more cars, the only reason that i could believe that to be true is that the sultan can no longer pay for them. it is for this reason that the sultans cars have slowly been trickling onto the market instead of the old way of disposal, dumping them into the ocean. in the next several months you will continue to see these cars surface, but few will make a u.s. appearance as they are all right hand drive cars. the more recent ones will not be able to be brought into the u.s. unless they can enter under the "show and display" law. |
Ansgar Schürmeyer (Taunus)
Junior Member Username: Taunus
Post Number: 120 Registered: 6-2002
| Posted on Sunday, February 23, 2003 - 3:42 pm: | |
DES, yes it is the sultan. One guy in my village owns 360 Challenge, 360 Spider, 550 Maranello, 288 GTO, F40 and F50. He also trade with the limited production models and he offers a warm place for your f-car in the garage under his funiture-shop if you have no place. So it is possible to see 3 F50 and 5 F40 in this garage. |
DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed
Post Number: 2356 Registered: 8-2002
| Posted on Sunday, February 23, 2003 - 3:31 pm: | |
Ansgar, is that same person the Sultan of Brunei- i don't know Brunei's Sultan's name... If it is, i'd have to agree with you- it was reported that he owned so many Ferraris, Ferrari wouldn't sell to him anymore, so he resorted to buying them elsewhere (private sellers, etc.)... Ernie, what about users that used to have other Ferraris but have since sold or traded them in for newer ones or different ones...? Does that count, too, or do you just want to know who has the most, at one time...? (i have 4- 1:18 Enzo, 1:18 360 Modena, 1:18 360 Spider & a 1:18 550 Barchetta ) |
EFWUN (Efwun)
New member Username: Efwun
Post Number: 15 Registered: 2-2003
| Posted on Sunday, February 23, 2003 - 3:16 pm: | |
Glad to have one at a time!! I got my 550 with ~1,000 miles from Miller, they got it from a "good customer" who traded it on a 575 after owning it 6 months. He is purported to have 12 Ferraris currently. Not sure if he's on the forum though. |
Jonas Petersen (Karsten335)
Junior Member Username: Karsten335
Post Number: 211 Registered: 11-2002
| Posted on Sunday, February 23, 2003 - 2:35 pm: | |
I think Ric Rainbolt owns 3, and that's the most? |
Erik R. K. Jonsson (Gamester)
Member Username: Gamester
Post Number: 278 Registered: 11-2000
| Posted on Sunday, February 23, 2003 - 12:06 pm: | |
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Andrew (Mrrou)
Member Username: Mrrou
Post Number: 488 Registered: 3-2002
| Posted on Sunday, February 23, 2003 - 12:05 pm: | |
WMhart might? Apologize for mis-spelling. |
Ernie Bonilla (Ernie)
Member Username: Ernie
Post Number: 551 Registered: 11-2001
| Posted on Sunday, February 23, 2003 - 11:42 am: | |
Oh your funny. I guess I didn't make the question clear. Of the guys on FerrariChat, who owns the most? But how mant does the Sultan own? I know he has had many custom jobs done for him by Ferrari, including a 456 station wagon. |
Ansgar Schürmeyer (Taunus)
Junior Member Username: Taunus
Post Number: 119 Registered: 6-2002
| Posted on Sunday, February 23, 2003 - 11:17 am: | |
Easy question. I think it is his Majesty Sultan Haji Hassanal Bolkiah Mu'izzaddin Waddaulah. |
Ernie Bonilla (Ernie)
Member Username: Ernie
Post Number: 549 Registered: 11-2001
| Posted on Sunday, February 23, 2003 - 11:12 am: | |
I am blessed enough to own just one Ferrari. But just for kicks who owns the most? This should be intersting. |