| Author | Message | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 647 Registered: 10-2002 |
Wayne Will try tonight. Best Jim | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1049 Registered: 8-2002 |
Jim G, can you identify this T-70? | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 644 Registered: 10-2002 |
Wayne In the 60ies many race teams "claimed" race #'s as their own. Donohue/Pensky used "6" on many of their cars. There were exceptions of course but it was a bit more like Micky's #7. Best Jim | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1044 Registered: 8-2002 |
Jim & Jim, After spending quite a bit of time researching these last night, I'm almost 100% certain that I've got all of the Ferrari racing pics identified correctly with the exception of the Vignale Spyder on the very bottom. #25 is definitely Amon at Sebring in 1969 in 312P s/n 0868, not 0844 (the converted P3). #23 is definitely the Bucknum/Posey car in 1971 (taken in late March, developed in April) Jim G. is right about the Lola, however. I found a couple of online references last night that said that Leslie and Motschenbac drove an "AIR" sponsored T-70 at Daytona in 1969 with race #8. Sounded like a match except that, now that Jim has pointed it out, I see that the Leslie/Motschenbac car was a MkIII-B. Since I don't have any reference material on Lolas, I'll leave that one to Mr. Glickenhaus to identify. | ||
| Terry (Dogue)
Junior Member Username: Dogue Post Number: 186 Registered: 9-2001 |
James, Thank you SOOOOOO MUCH for sharing these pictures. The Vignale Spider pictures are just terrific. Please keep them coming. | ||
| Tyler (Bahiaau)
Member Username: Bahiaau Post Number: 558 Registered: 12-2001 |
James, incredible pictures! Thanks for sharing these wonderful memories. Keep them coming. | ||
| James Selevan (Jselevan)
Member Username: Jselevan Post Number: 385 Registered: 6-2002 |
Wayne - problem solved. Look at the left edge of the photo of car #23 exiting the pits. I just noticed that the date is on it - "April 1971". This makes it (likely) Sebring - 1971. Could be Daytona that year, but I think Sebring. Jim | ||
| James Selevan (Jselevan)
Member Username: Jselevan Post Number: 384 Registered: 6-2002 |
I know we did take a number of pictures of Harley Cluxton, a school mate of my brothers at Tulane. I am a bit confused about the dates, and will speak with my brother to see if he has an exact fix. I know that I was at Sebring/Daytona for several years during high school, which would place it in 1965/66. Then again while in Medical School 1970/74. More pictures to come. Thanks for the interest. I thought these were old dust collectors. Fun to take them out again. Wayne - you are correct - good eye. In the fog of midnight, I did not pay attention to the numbers #25 versus #23. Two different races. One was Amon, the other may have been Cluxton (I will do more homework). Jim S. BTW - I thought I would tickle some other's apetite with this picture from within the factory. I have many. Who said one couldn't take a camera in? I visited several times, this from the latest in the early 90s.  | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 640 Registered: 10-2002 |
James These are fantastic photos. The Lola is a MK-I. Note the door handles inset into the cup. BTW the cup was a cooking bowl and the gas filler inset on the top of the fender was a can of ham that was used to make the fiberglass molds. Very high tech. Also note the round brake inlets next to the nose opening. Des guessing a P4 wasn't a bad one. It's easy to see where Cigaro got the basic shape of the P4. As it's a MK-I or maybe a MK-II T-70 I bet it's closer to 66-67. In the shot of Amon I beleive he's sitting in a P3 that Chinetti turned into a 330 Can AM. I believe this became the Medlin/ Christies car that was converted back to a P3 by Symbolic using David Piper parts. (Wayne?) Looking at the photo of your wife it's easy to see that she's a keeper. Note how she's looking at the engine not at Regazoni. Do you have any photo's of the P3 that ran you over the pit wall? Best Jim | ||
| GThomas (Ferrariartist)
New member Username: Ferrariartist Post Number: 23 Registered: 2-2003 |
is this the same 512? BTW very intriguing photos...this is a great thread... one thing about Ferraris.. there is ALWAYS soooo much more to learn... keep the photos comin... thx   | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1043 Registered: 8-2002 |
Jim, that has to be either Ronnie Bucknum or Sam Posey driving 512S s/n 1006 at Sebring in 1971. In 1969 #23 belonged to a Healey and in 1970 it was on the 312P of Luigi Chinetti Jr. and Tony Adamowicz. If you're certain the photo was taken at Sebring, then this is the only 512S to run at Sebring with race #23. Besides, your picture below (#25) is Amon at Sebring in '69, remember? | ||
| James Selevan (Jselevan)
Member Username: Jselevan Post Number: 383 Registered: 6-2002 |
Heck - couldn't help myself - too many personalities, not enough performance. Here is Chris Amon again, exiting the pits, Sebring, circa 1969. (That might be my shadow taking the picture). Jim S.  | ||
| James Selevan (Jselevan)
Member Username: Jselevan Post Number: 382 Registered: 6-2002 |
And finally (to your relief), the Maestro himself, Jackie Stewart, Watkins Glen circa 1976. Tomorrow I will start another thread with a few more pictures - another of Chris Amon in car #23, some from inside The Factory, and others. Thanks for your patience. Jim S.  | ||
| James Selevan (Jselevan)
Member Username: Jselevan Post Number: 381 Registered: 6-2002 |
And here is Clay Regazoni and his boss (John Surtees) - Watkins Glenn, circa 1976. I was one of the track doctors during 1975-79, and had access to pit areas.  | ||
| James Selevan (Jselevan)
Member Username: Jselevan Post Number: 380 Registered: 6-2002 |
Patrick Tombay, Clay Regazoni, and James Hunt - Watkins Glenn, 1977 (I believe). And of course, the future mother of my children.  | ||
| James Selevan (Jselevan)
Member Username: Jselevan Post Number: 379 Registered: 6-2002 |
DES - you break me up. "Veal Chops." That's great. Yes, these were real photos taken by two young fans (I was 21). The Amon picture was taken while I was standing on the pit wall. I remember the picture well, just couldn't remember the year. I thought it was while I was in high school in 1965-66. I'll dig up some more. Let me know when to stop. Here are some shots of Clay Regazoni and James Hunt. The attractive women in the picture seems to have been in all of my pictures (my soon to be wife - it took 8 more years for me to get smart). Jim | ||
| DaveE (Banzaiboxr)
New member Username: Banzaiboxr Post Number: 48 Registered: 8-2002 |
Jim, These are great pictures! I will email you. Dave | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 2433 Registered: 8-2002 |
James, bore us, bore us...! Real life pictures are so much more awesome than photo shopped, airbrushed, edited publication photos- they tell the real stories... There's so much more life in a candid moment, captured and frozen, to be looked at, admired, remembered and dreamed of, than there is in some touched-up cover page shot... Let's look at the very first picture you posted... First off, the car is awesome... Then you have the two guys on the right and the driver, talking- probably about something car/race-related... Then there's other people in the background, hurriedly scurrying around, probably fumbling with things, as this guy needs to get back out on the track... But for all we know, this guy could be saying, "So fellas, after the race, you wanna come over to my place...? The wife's makin' veal chops... We could play some poker, afterwards..." There's a whole story, right inside that moment in that photo, aside from the whole big story before and after it was taken... i won't comment on the second photo, 'cause, well... it looks like a professional shot... But even that speaks volumes... Look at how good that shot is, especially for a camera that i know didn't have a zoom lense, which tells me you were pretty close- and that's a story in itself, 'cause you obviously weren't just a regular fan if you were in the pits and able to get pictures that close, etc, etc, etc... Ok... It's obvious i talk too much... i'll stop now and look at pictures...  Oooooooh... Pretty pictures... | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1041 Registered: 8-2002 |
Bore everyone?! Are you kidding?! Keep them coming! | ||
| James Selevan (Jselevan)
Member Username: Jselevan Post Number: 378 Registered: 6-2002 |
DES - yes, I took these (my brother and I shared the camera). I am honored that you find them interesting. Sometimes us old timer's don't appreciate that things we found exciting may be of interest to our younger friends. I have more if anyone is interested, but I don't want to bore everyone. Jim S.  | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 2428 Registered: 8-2002 |
Just like i said, it's a Lola... | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1039 Registered: 8-2002 |
Got it. Looked it up on the Web. It's the Lola T-70 Coupe driven by Leslie/Motschenbac at Daytona in 1969. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Intermediate Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 2425 Registered: 8-2002 |
Holy Crap, Selevan, those aren't magazine photos or anything like that- those are like-- regular camera pictures, huh...? You were there...! That's so awesome...! Did you take those yourself...? i'd venture to say that that's a P4, however, right behind the side window, there's this vent thingie that sticks out & i don't see that in any P4 pictures i have... Everything else i can see, though, is almost identical... | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1038 Registered: 8-2002 |
Jim S., the bottom one is Amon at Sebring in 1969. The car is 312P s/n 0868. The top one appears to be a Lola T-70, but Jim G. would know much better than I. Jim? | ||
| James Selevan (Jselevan)
Member Username: Jselevan Post Number: 377 Registered: 6-2002 |
James - I suspect you will like this one. Lola?? Can't remember - many years ago. Daytona, circa 1965-66. Jim S.  | ||
| James Selevan (Jselevan)
Member Username: Jselevan Post Number: 376 Registered: 6-2002 |
Wayne and James - is this photo of interest? I have a lot of these. I believe this is Chris Amon at Sebring - circa 1966. I was in the pits with some friends.  | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1032 Registered: 8-2002 |
Okay, I'm narrowing it down. The Vignale Spyder in Jim's photos is either: s/n 0324 AM, 340MM Vignale Spyder, raced at March AFB on 8/11/53 by Bill Spear but was blue/white 2-tone and wore race #30. BUT, Spear sold the car to Edmund P. Lunken in 1954. Lunken repainted it red and raced it at March AFB again on 7/11/54 (DNF), race # unknown. There are pics of this car in both paint schemes in Massini's Vignale book. s/n 0350 AM, 340 MM Vignale Spyder, raced at March AFB by Sterling Edwards on 8/11/53 but was also blue/white 2-tone and ran with race #53. BUT Edwards raced the car at March AFB on 7/11/54 as well where it finished 4th overall. I can find no photos of the car at this race nor any reference to its race number. Seeing how it was still with Edwards, it could have still been blue/white 2-tone. Supposedly there is a pic of the car during this period in the 1955 "Ferrari Yearbook" which I don't have. There were several other identical cars that raced at March AFB in 1953 and 1954, but I was able to eliminate them due to their race numbers and/or color schemes. My guess would be that this is 0324 AM. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 630 Registered: 10-2002 |
James He's right. By law vodka is simply pure grain distilled alachol. | ||
| James Selevan (Jselevan)
Member Username: Jselevan Post Number: 371 Registered: 6-2002 |
I will search for a few more. I have a number from the 60s and early 70s, but don't know about more from Jim Chapman (shown in these pictures). Jim was a well-known local Ferrari racer during the 50s and 60s (Riverside, March AFB). He raced against Phil Hill, Dan Gurney, Shelby, etc. in local stuff in Southern California during that period. He also raced boats in Long Beach harbor (I am looking for a great photo of that - soon posted). He worked with Garrett Air Research during the War, and as previously mentioned, was instrumental in development of their turbochargers (used in aircraft, and later in automobiles). We turbo'ed his Dino, and also as mentioned, "Vodka" injected it to avoid changing the compression ratio. Here is a story for F-chat members to enjoy/debate. When he first proposed vodka instead of water for his injection, he raised the obvious benefits, latent heat absorption due to evaporation of alcohol over water, added energy of combustion, reduced viscosity, etc. When I asked about the cost, he reinforced that we would purchase the cheapest rot-gut stuff we could find, and that ALL VODKAs WERE THE SAME, it was the brand that raised the price. I questioned this as being contrary to conventional wisdom. He observed that his son had worked in a bottling plant in Los Angeles, and that large 50-gallon stainless steel drums of vodka would be placed on the line, and that different bottles and labels would be sent down, all filled with the same stuff. Unlike Scotch, or Bourbon, or Whiskey, or Rum, which are all aged in various wood containers (and thus require "art"), vodka is vodka is vodka. No aging, no wood, no art. Can't comment on the truth to this, just recount the story. The car did not run better on any one brand or another! Jim S. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 627 Registered: 10-2002 |
Fantastic James! Best Jim | ||
| GThomas (Ferrariartist)
New member Username: Ferrariartist Post Number: 20 Registered: 2-2003 |
Thanks Martin... gosh i've been lurking here so long i feel i know you guys... love your town... Miami is great. (See my comments in OT on great places to live.) Thanks for the kind words... just in the middle of updating the site with a couple of other shots... an old one i did of Gilles V. and a 456GT illustration... Some on the site have been sold but the majority (sigh) i still have.. some framed, some not... inquire for prices... No.. i havent been IN the Cavallino Classic, (someday i will.. its a personal goal i've set myself) but i've been TO it 4 or times 1997-2000. That shot was from the Tour of Palm Beach... I hang out on Worth Avenue and wait for the parade... Beautiful town... I'm highliting that seahorse fountain in the "town square" in an upcoming work. Thanks again Grant | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 3878 Registered: 5-2001 |
Nice pictures. Wayne never fails to amaze me. GThomas, your paintings are breathtaking. Do you offer them for sale as well? Did you have a booth at Cavallino? For those that have not seen his site, go there. It is amazing how well he paints and the great details of his work. | ||
| GThomas (Ferrariartist)
New member Username: Ferrariartist Post Number: 19 Registered: 2-2003 |
...my first try at uploading a picture.. wish me luck... this is one (of many) things i love about these cars... the history... going on the assumption its the identical car... looks similar anyways... to see the thing "time-warped" from an old black and white archival shot to full colour on the streets of palm beach, i find sooooo amazing. Much thanks must be given to those with the means and interest to keep these antiques up and running and to share them with the rest of us by not shutting them up in their garages....  | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1027 Registered: 8-2002 |
The red and black car in Jason's photo is s/n 0271 EU, the 212 Inter Vignale that was displayed at the 1953 Geneva Salon and has been with Ron Tonkin in Portland, OR for the past 30 years or so. The nearly identical car in Jim's photos could be the same car or it could also be one of three other similar 212 Inter Vignale Coupes, 0257 EU, 0267 EU, or 0285 EU. Knowing where and when the photo was taken would help to narrow it down. The other car in Jim's photos is a Vignale Spyder(250MM? 340MM?) but there were too many cars bodied like this to narrow it down to one car without additional info. Again, where/when were the photos taken and what was your friend's name? Jim, you've got mail. | ||
| David P. Smith (Dave330gtc)
Junior Member Username: Dave330gtc Post Number: 80 Registered: 3-2002 |
James, those are some of the best pictures I have seen on this site. Keep them coming. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 2836 Registered: 9-2001 |
jason possible but it looks a lot diff, mirrors, windows, wipers, top. great pics | ||
| Jason Godsil (Godsil)
Junior Member Username: Godsil Post Number: 232 Registered: 9-2001 |
This is a local car here in Portland. I wonder if it is the same one pictured earlier?  | ||
| GThomas (Ferrariartist)
New member Username: Ferrariartist Post Number: 13 Registered: 2-2003 |
...hmmmm #1,2 and 4 look like a 166 Barchetta Series 1? 1953 i believe... body by Vignale... Mr. Ausbrooks... how'd i do? #3 i dont know... gimme some time... (: | ||
| James Selevan (Jselevan)
Member Username: Jselevan Post Number: 362 Registered: 6-2002 |
Wayne - nice that you appreciate these pictures. He was a dear friend - passed away around 10 years ago. We spent many hours discussing turbo technology - he was an aircraft engineer during the 2nd War. There is much detail being lost in the pictures as I shrink them to 640x640. I have some pictures of his cars that I will pull out of storage tomorrow. Here are a few more. BTW, what model is he racing? Jim S.   | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1023 Registered: 8-2002 |
Jim, fantastic pics! How many more do you have there? | ||
| James Selevan (Jselevan)
Member Username: Jselevan Post Number: 361 Registered: 6-2002 |
Came across these pictures in my file. Friend (who left me his TR) use to race at Riverside with Phil Hill. He had several F-cars. I have more pictures if anyone is interested. Don't know how well these will show. BTW - the gentleman standing over the car with the cigarette (my friend) holds the patent for the Garrett Air Research Turbocharger used in most automotive applications. He turbo'ed his 246 GT Dino (I helped). Rather than reducing compression ratio, he relied upon water injection. HOWEVER, instead of using water, he used Vodka. We would fill the "water" tank he installed in the trunk (2 gallon) with the cheapest Vodka we could buy. Worked great. Car ran strong; no preignition, no overheating. Jim S.   |