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Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member
Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 3892
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 26, 2003 - 10:38 am: | |
Hubert right on!
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Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member
Username: Hugh
Post Number: 547
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 5:41 pm: | |
arlie-
i, like you, find both to be equally unacceptable, however, the car had 16k on the odometer, and, like i mentioned, had a failure of a known weak point.
as far as chevy honoring or covering the repairs, i just find it even more repugnant when manufactures use the 'racing inspired' line to sell cars, and, conversly, use it to weasel themselves out of warranty claims incured in the setting they themselves use to hype their product, but, that is an entirely different thread. |
Horsefly (Arlie)
Member
Username: Arlie
Post Number: 797
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 5:24 pm: | |
Hubert, I wouldn't tolerate a broken timing chain on a new Corvette any more than I would want to spend $3500 for "routine" service on a Ferrari. I know alot of guys who have driven hot-rodded Chevys, and I have never heard of a broken timing chain. It's just not something that would normally break. Over a long period of time, a timing chain may stretch and jump a tooth on the timing gear. I had that happen one time on a Pontiac. It kept running, but way off time. Had to replace the chain. I honestly don't know that much about the newer Corvettes because I don't find them that interesting. But I don't see how any dealer would honor a warranty if they knew someone was racing the car on a track at the time of the failure.
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Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member
Username: Miami348ts
Post Number: 3884
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 3:18 pm: | |
The belt service is every 5 years or 30K Miles. So itz would be called a 30K service, however given the age of most 355s you may have only 15K on the clock and need a 30K service!
get it?
30K engine out is $ 4500 at an independant, $ 5,500+ at FNA dealers.
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eli (ali) Latif (Ninja_eli)
New member
Username: Ninja_eli
Post Number: 41
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 12:17 pm: | |
Doody,
We do get raped here, badly...
Things have been worse though, recently it seems that the independents here have got a bigger following and the main dealers have been suffering. The biggest, Maranello Sales, dropped the cambelt service price from �3,500 to �1,600, and the others had to follow suit. This is probably in response to a well reputed independent advertising in the Ferrari owners club magazine, pricing a cambelt service at �700!
It's one of the things that annoys me about owning these cars, and the attitude of some of the dealers while they are raping you is unbelievable! You'd think you owed them something. |
Mr. Doody (Doody)
Member
Username: Doody
Post Number: 811
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 12:12 pm: | |
geez - you people with all the questions! i have work to do, y'know!!!
:-) :-)
here are all the gory details:
http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/18/210567.html?1046196606
i put it in Gallery since it's pictures :-). didn't want to clutter things inline here.
ROB: perhaps you could fix the title screwup if you're so inclined.
doody. |
Mr. Doody (Doody)
Member
Username: Doody
Post Number: 809
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 11:55 am: | |
"sounds like this warranty they get you on in the UK is for the birds."
mean? Never came across that expression before.
i mean that it sounds like whatever warranty setup they're selling you guys over there smells stinky. they're raping you on over-maintaining the cars, and then they go and charge you for a continuous warranty as well. the nice thing about the crappy NA warranties (2 years) is that once they're over you can settle in to managing your costs how you like (assuming as much or as little risk as you choose).
PS. Mines a 97/98 model year, could it be that the servicing changed for the 99 cars (not heard of it myself, but you never know)?
they're the same cars (95's tweaks aside).
as a comparison, the factory apparently never released "time -vs- mileage" info for the 550, so the dealers are basically just following the lead on the other cars (5 years on the belts, etc.). when they released the 575M they released time -vs- mileage numbers for that and i believe they said 3 years for the belts, but the dealers i've spoken to basically said "yeah, right - that's just silly".
doody. |
eli (ali) Latif (Ninja_eli)
New member
Username: Ninja_eli
Post Number: 40
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 11:39 am: | |
Doody,
It seems that your 30k service schedule includes the belts, whereas here dealers consider that the belt change is not actually part of any service at all. It's a separate "service" in itself.
In the UK, they do you on the time basis, or mileage, of the last cambelt change, independantly of the last service. So, in theory, you could go 3 years of driving, and get to 18,000 miles and it would need a cambelt, but not the 30k service. Then you could go another 12k, not need the cambelt service, but need the 30k one.
Here, we are charged (and quoted) for the service and the cambelt separately.
Pretty mad isn't it!
Oh, and what does:
"sounds like this warranty they get you on in the UK is for the birds."
mean? Never came across that expression before.
PS. Mines a 97/98 model year, could it be that the servicing changed for the 99 cars (not heard of it myself, but you never know)?
Regards |
EFWUN (Efwun)
New member
Username: Efwun
Post Number: 27
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 11:09 am: | |
Yes, Doody! Mine was a '95, and had the belt service in August of '01 as a time issue, rather than mileage mandated. The theory is that over years, the belts get "hardened" where they pass over the tensioners; better safe than sorry as to failures. Don't see that many 355s getting to 30K miles in the alloted time, so I guess the "belt service" gets confused as to mileage v. age. |
Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Intermediate Member
Username: 91tr
Post Number: 1437
Registered: 1-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 10:47 am: | |
doody -- what is shown for the 15K service? |
Mr. Doody (Doody)
Member
Username: Doody
Post Number: 808
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 10:09 am: | |
sounds like this warranty they get you on in the UK is for the birds.
here's the list of things in the 30K that are not in the 15K according to my MY99 manual:
* replace timing belts
* replace fuel filter
* replace spark plugs
* tighten screws and bolts on the bodywork
* inspect blow-by system
* inspect evaporative emissions control system et. al.
* inspect exhaust system by-pass valve
* inspect starter motor current drain & alternator charge
doody. |
eli (ali) Latif (Ninja_eli)
New member
Username: Ninja_eli
Post Number: 39
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 10:00 am: | |
It just goes to show that Ferrari are rarely consistant at the best of times. Their service schedule (for Euro cars) says 3 years for the cambelt. Crazy isn't it? Unless they use belts of differing quality (yeh right, as if!). The dealers all say it must be done every 3 years too.
Oh well, it looks like we are being ripped off here in Britain again! I'll have to do it, otherwise I'll not be able to renew the Ferrari warranty, which I'd prefer to have, especially the way I drive the little red thing. |
Mr. Doody (Doody)
Member
Username: Doody
Post Number: 807
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 9:21 am: | |
3 years on the belts smells awfully extreme (Unless you hit the mileage numbers). i have never spoken to a single f-car mechanic or dealer (and i've spoken to a lot!) who suggest doing the belts anything other than every five years.
doody. |
Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Intermediate Member
Username: 91tr
Post Number: 1436
Registered: 1-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 9:11 am: | |
Are you 355 guys saying you're paying as much for a 355 15K service (no valve adjustment) as everyone else with solid lifters? Just for grins what's listed in the 355 OM at the 15K mile interval? |
eli (ali) Latif (Ninja_eli)
New member
Username: Ninja_eli
Post Number: 38
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 8:34 am: | |
I'm justing getting mine done, and basically the way the dealers look at it, there are three service types for the 355. The annual, the mileage, and the belt service. The annual has to be done every year UNLESS the car has reached the mileage intervals (10,000kms, 20,000 kms, 50,000kms), in which case it has to have the relevant mileage service. The belts have to be done at 32,000miles or every 3 years, and do not specifically include a service of either the above stated ones, although they will be a reduced price if completed at the same time as the belt service.
It is ridiculous the prices that Ferrari dealers charge for this work, as recently the prices have dropped from �3,500GBP for a cambelt change to �1,600GBP. A service that was supposed to cost me �3,500 + �1,500 plus VAT at 17.5%, plus a new warranty and minor blemish issues, is now only going to cost me a total of something like �3,000GBP excluding the blemishes.
The Ferrari dealers are obviously still making a profit, and it just goes to show how much customers were being abused before!
As an indication, the prices used to be as follows:
Annual Service: �600 plus VAT.
Mileage Services: �1,500 plus VAT.
Cambelt Change: �3,500 plus VAT.
Not sure about the services, but the cambelt has dropped to �1,600 plus VAT now.
BTW, thanks again Mr Doody, in light of the above, it seems wisest to keep this car! I was however, tempted to change to a yellow one.... now you see, that picture in your profile can be a dangerous one... to my wallet! I'll have to make a point of NOT clicking your profile for a while.
All the best
Ali |
Ricky Nardis (Rickyn_f355)
Member
Username: Rickyn_f355
Post Number: 263
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 5:47 am: | |
thnx doody, i thought i was smoking crack for a second... |
Mr. Doody (Doody)
Member
Username: Doody
Post Number: 804
Registered: 11-2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 5:32 am: | |
guys, the 15K on a 355 is not a belt service. that's the 30K (or 5 years).
the 15K service on a 355 isn't that big a deal. definitely not many thousands of dollars.
doody. |
Ricky Nardis (Rickyn_f355)
Member
Username: Rickyn_f355
Post Number: 262
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 25, 2003 - 4:35 am: | |
i thought the major service costs $3500 to $5000 where they drop the motor and do all the belts...am i wrong? Is this considered the 15K or the 30K mile service? |
EFWUN (Efwun)
New member
Username: Efwun
Post Number: 24
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 11:31 pm: | |
My '95 had the belt service just before I bought it, and the bills from a reputable dealer were a little more than $8,000. That included a whole lot of extra stuff, but I'm told that is representative. |
Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member
Username: Mlemus
Post Number: 2408
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 11:11 pm: | |
Nevermind. |
BJ (Bjkim)
Junior Member
Username: Bjkim
Post Number: 55
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 11:07 pm: | |
The prices are in Canadian dollars, not US dollars.
CAD $1.52 = USD $1.00
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Matt Lemus (Mlemus)
Intermediate Member
Username: Mlemus
Post Number: 2406
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 11:02 pm: | |
$300 for an oil change sounds high.
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BJ (Bjkim)
Junior Member
Username: Bjkim
Post Number: 53
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 11:01 pm: | |
why the services in US are so much expensive than Canada?
I asked the guy in service department at Ferrari of Ontario about the major service, which includes replacing a timing belt, and he quotes me about CAD$3000-$4000 depends on the car's condition. I also asked about the oil service which will cost around $300 (include oil filter)
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Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member
Username: Hugh
Post Number: 546
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 10:58 pm: | |
Arlie-
My buddy just bought a newer z06 (2000 or 2001, not sure, as I'm not a vette guy), and just had the timing CHAIN break on him at a track day. Now he's looking at a rebuild (in excess of $3, 5oo) on a car with not much more than 15k on the odometer; aren't the timing chains a KNOWN weak point on the vettes? Some thing that was redesigned and 'improved' for the '02's.
Would like to hear your comments. |
Horsefly (Arlie)
Member
Username: Arlie
Post Number: 796
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 10:52 pm: | |
I'll say it again. $3500 to $5000 for "routine" service on a car with only 15,000 miles?
Unbelievable.
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Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator
Username: Rob328gts
Post Number: 3701
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 10:39 pm: | |
Is this like the 328, where the 15k isn't the major major like the 30k? If so, how much would the 30k run? |
Warren L. (Warren)
Junior Member
Username: Warren
Post Number: 171
Registered: 2-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 10:37 pm: | |
3500-5000 depending on what parts need to be replaced. |
Mark S G Murphy (Msgm1)
New member
Username: Msgm1
Post Number: 4
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Monday, February 24, 2003 - 9:19 pm: | |
What should be the cost of the 15K service on a F355 at an authorised dealer? |