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Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
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Username: Mitch_alsup
Post Number: 357
Registered: 4-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 26, 2003 - 6:22 pm: | |
I am currently testing Ferrodo DS2500 Pads. These thing work great on the track, and so far are quiet on the road, but dust like crazy. These pads are streetable down here in Texas, but probably not much farther north. |
Dennis (Bighead)
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Username: Bighead
Post Number: 22
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 26, 2003 - 4:33 pm: | |
Contact Gary Krumian at:
[email protected]
Inter Auto Parts, Inc.
Parts and Accessories for European Automobiles
http://www.interautoparts.com
vty,
--Dennis |
John J Stecher (Jjstecher)
Member
Username: Jjstecher
Post Number: 374
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 26, 2003 - 12:24 pm: | |
Dennis,
Where did you find the the rotors for the 348 for around $200?? |
Dennis (Bighead)
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Username: Bighead
Post Number: 20
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 26, 2003 - 12:07 pm: | |
Porterfield pads are good. Check out:
http://www.big-mall.com/porterfield-brakes.com/
EBCs are typically more expensive; great stopping power, lots and lots of dust.
Lots of people I know use Pagids. Like I said, I use the PFC-97s, as a good street/track compound, and the price is right.
Changing pads on the 348/355 is pretty easy.
Remove the big retaining clip on the "top" of the caliper (holds pads in; you'll need a big pair of pliers). Take top off of brake fluid reservoir and place a big absorbent rag around it (or suction out some brake fluid with a syringe/baster). Push back the pistons, using the OLD pads (still in the rotor); I find it easiest to use a set of pliers and force the old pads back against the pistons -- this forces fluid back through the reservoir, causing some mild overflow. Remove the old pads, insert new ones. Make sure to disconnect and reconnect the brake pad sensor wire; this wire may be zip-tied, so you'll need to cut the tie and re-zip it. Do NOT use any backing goop or glue. Reinsert retaining clip (again, use the big pliers).
You'll almost certainly want to bleed the entire system; easy enough to do when you're doing pads. FWIW, I use a Motive power bleeder and switch between ATE Super Blue and Gold 2000.
Make sure to bed in the new brakes if required (PFC-97s do not require bedding in).
Rotors can also be bought for a LOT less than what the dealer charges ($200 instead of $740).
vty,
--Dennis
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Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
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Username: Hugh
Post Number: 551
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 26, 2003 - 11:54 am: | |
John-
Here are some of my previous thoughts on brakes pads (sources & brands):
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Stay away from EBC pads; I've used both the greens and the reds, and they both, IMO, were terrible. The greens (allegedly the low dust, low noise, street pad) dusted like mad, was loud, and didn't deliver what it promised, braking was better than stock, however, the reds (a track pad) ate up my rotors, and couldn't last an entire track day, not impressed.
Since then, I've been using carbotech pads ( on the street and on the track) and cannot compliment them enough, currently using the panther + pad, and love them. They do dust and squel, but no pretense was made to the contrary when I was buying them. I've also used porterfield r4s pads as street and mild track pads and liked them as well, not as much 'bite' as the panther + pad, but much better over stock; and, both pads offer excellent cold bite when you consider their performance at operating temp.
For more info, check the following sites:
http://www.carbotecheng.com/
http://www.cobaltfriction.com/
http://www.porterfield-brakes.com/
If your looking for a performance street pad, consider the porterfield r4s or the carbotech panther xp; otherwise the panther + of the r4 would be the way to go for a more dedicated track pad.
Now, to address your question regarding stock pads, they are galfer pads. Also, here is a step by step brake pad replacement procedure for a 360:
http://www.sodacoms.com/Downloads/Ferrari%20360%20Pad%20Replacment%20Tech.exe
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Before you make your decision for better track pads, answer a few questions: 1. will you mind dust, a lot of dust? 2. will tolerate some squel? and 3. are you going to swap pads on the track or not?
Well, if you said no 1, yes to 2, and yes to 3. I'd suggest the porterfield r4 or panther + or even panther xp (although the panther + can be used on the street; it does, however, dust!). You could also try the Hawk blues, or HPS pads. Or, you could also consider one of the Ferrodo pads (supplier to F3, F atlantic, and rally teams), maybe the ds3000 would be good for you?
If you said yes to 1 and no to 2 and 3, then the poretfield r4s would be a better suited pad, or possibly the carbotech panther pad would be good; although I do not have personal experience w/ the panther, only the panther +, but have used the r4s and liked it.
In the end, however, it would be best to call the individual companies and ask them what they feel your application neccessitates, my advice would be to contact one or all of the following:
Matt Nicholson at Cabrbotech : 1-877-899-5024
I would also urge you to contact:
Andie Lin at cobaltfriction : 1-877-562-9237 regarding ferrodo, hawk, pagdi, mintex, peformance friction, axxis ultimate, and cobalt racing pads.
Both of these guys are to the bone enthusiasts, and will spend hours, if need be, on the phone w/ you to get you the RIGHT components, the 1st time. Give both of them a call.
Hope this helps,
hubert |
philip (Fanatic1)
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Username: Fanatic1
Post Number: 7
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 26, 2003 - 11:37 am: | |
Steve, thanks for your help, I just ordered them on line from the Tire Rack!! I'm going to play around their site for awhile.
Thanks again!! |
Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Intermediate Member
Username: 91tr
Post Number: 1443
Registered: 1-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 26, 2003 - 10:46 am: | |
Philip -- http://www.tirerack.com usually has a decent selection of F brake pads available (EBC, Hawk, etc.).
If you do just "push" the brake caliper pistons back in to make room for the new brake pads make sure that you've also got enough room in the Master Cylinder reservoir to accomodate the fluid that will be returned. I'm no Saint when it comes to refreshing the brake fluid -- I probably average 3~4 times a decade (usually with the pad change), but if it's been more than a couple~few years since your last brake fluid refresh you should still keep it on your near-term service list IMO. |
mike 308 (Concorde)
Junior Member
Username: Concorde
Post Number: 122
Registered: 8-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 26, 2003 - 10:33 am: | |
That $170 isn't a bad price if it's for all the way around the car. But if you want something different (better), check out the R4-S carbon/kevlar pads from
www.porterfield-brakes.com
Great street and track pads, IMO. You may not find the RS-S versions off the front page search, but go to PADS and then check from there. |
philip (Fanatic1)
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Username: Fanatic1
Post Number: 5
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 26, 2003 - 10:30 am: | |
P.S.
I need new pads and my dealer wants about 165.00 for just the pads.....I went on the MINTEX site listed below by john kelly and you cannot purchase the pads....they only list authorized dealers....of which none are in the U.S...
Ideas?
thanks Also, I am going to replace them myself, and I have never done it....someone said that after I press the caliper back in then I can put in my pads, pump the pedal and I should be good. Someone else said that I would need to bleed the lines.....sorry, I'm just learning!!! |
philip (Fanatic1)
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Username: Fanatic1
Post Number: 4
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 26, 2003 - 10:18 am: | |
I'm glad these pads are readily available....does anyone know of another manufacturer that may be more readily available at an auto parts store or a website here in the U.S. |
John Kelly (Jaykayuk)
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Username: Jaykayuk
Post Number: 18
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 26, 2003 - 10:06 am: | |
Dennis,
does that apply to the calipers then ? i.e. the Porsche Brembo Big Reds. as per 911 turbo & 928 GTS. |
Dennis (Bighead)
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Username: Bighead
Post Number: 19
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 26, 2003 - 9:56 am: | |
The brakes on the 348 are the same as on the 355 and the same as Porsche Big Red brakes. Lots of sources, and lots of different manufacturers. For once, something is relatively cheap and available on my Ferrari!
I use Performance Friction PFC-97s on my 355, which sees the track more often than not.
vty,
--Dennis |
John Kelly (Jaykayuk)
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Username: Jaykayuk
Post Number: 17
Registered: 4-2001
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 26, 2003 - 8:36 am: | |
I am not sure how much Ferrari 348 pads cost but if anyone's interested they are the same dimensionally as a Porsche 944 S2 or 968.
Try out www.mintex.co.uk. (MDB1456 pad code)
Same for PAGID pads. These usually cost circa �35 from Porsche aftermarket dealers here in the UK.
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