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Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
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Post Number: 185
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Tuesday, March 25, 2003 - 1:37 am:   

Great.. great pic. I just discovered that the ripples I have in the doors and on the trunk are caused by orange peel in the basecoat.. do you think so?
TAKO (Tako)
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Username: Tako

Post Number: 202
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Monday, March 24, 2003 - 2:21 pm:   

http://www.crystalguard.com/gallery/BlackZ8350Z/aaj
Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
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Post Number: 183
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Monday, March 24, 2003 - 12:22 pm:   

I definitely agree on the prep work part.. takes forever but worth the upkeep!

Now, here are some shots I took on Sat of my daily driver. Its metallic black paint so in certain angles like the side shots, it starts great and then goes into a metallic grey sheen which I don't like. But in direct sunlight, the metallic flake looks great. I would have been much happier with a flat gloss black...:-(

I have this "ripple" or "heat wave" in the paint that you can see in the last pic, either due to poor quality, sun damage.. I'm not quite sure. Any thoughts? Can I get much better then this?

Sunny

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TAKO (Tako)
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Post Number: 199
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Saturday, March 22, 2003 - 5:50 am:   

Gallery
http://www.crystalguard.com/gallery/
Todd Gieger (Todd328gts)
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Post Number: 398
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Thursday, March 06, 2003 - 9:03 am:   

In order for this company to make its' mark on the map...they should be following up with each and every one of us...After leaving my email twice and leaving a message...I STILL have not been contacted and I am about to give up on trying this product...poor business model
TAKO (Tako)
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Username: Tako

Post Number: 180
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Thursday, March 06, 2003 - 4:28 am:   

Dom, cheap wax and good product makes HUGE difference in reflection and looking! But I agree that PREF work is very important!
DES (Sickspeed)
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Post Number: 2622
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Wednesday, March 05, 2003 - 7:49 pm:   

These pictures are intense... That Tuscan is awesome- the front grill with all the round holes is just too cool- i like that there' nothing on the back of it, too... This car definitely goes on my list of wants...
Dom Vitarella (Dom)
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Post Number: 99
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Wednesday, March 05, 2003 - 10:06 am:   

I'd be interested in trying it, if the price were right.

The key with detailing is PREP PREP PREP. I'm guessing that someone like Tako could use a cheap turtle wax on his cars and they will still look great, because he did the appropriate prep.

Similarly, if you took the best wax or polymer (crystal guard, zaino, zymol, etc) and put it on my black daily driver alfa with tons of swirls, it wouldn't look as good. In fact, it might look worse, because the shine would amplify the swirls.

I've used zaino, zymol, plus a whole bunch of other waxes, and what I find is the more prep I put into the car before waxing, the better it looks.

Dom

Randy (Schatten)
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Post Number: 658
Registered: 4-2001
Posted on Wednesday, March 05, 2003 - 9:47 am:   

Tako -

I sent an email for a dealer inquiry on your website. Oh, and left you a business card and message at the SEMA show since I arrived too early at your booth one day. When you get a chance, send me info: [email protected] very interested in this product as a user and dealer (that sounds bad, doesn't it?)

And btw, one of your employees at another venture - Josh - says its slick as well. I only wish he would keep his car not so chipped up.
philip (Fanatic1)
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Post Number: 24
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Wednesday, March 05, 2003 - 6:26 am:   

Tako,
I've contactact Jim Campos with some questions, but you seem to definatley be the expert. I'm going to order the pro pak. I'd like to know if the pictures that you're posting are "typical". I mean, are you starting with the best paint, the best detailers, the best professional application, and the best of everything...kind of like in the muscle magizines, we all see the product that will build 50 lbs of muscle in 5 days and it show three slobs turned into supermen........

Also, it's 40 degrees in Ohio right now, does it need to be a certain temp for the C.G. to bond correctly, I'll be doing it in a garage of course, but I'm a little worried about the temp.

Thoughts?

Thanks!

Philip
Todd Gieger (Todd328gts)
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Post Number: 396
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Tuesday, March 04, 2003 - 10:03 pm:   

I would be very interested in trying crystal guard as well...please email me [email protected]
Tell me where I can buy some.

Thanks!

TTG
TAKO (Tako)
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Username: Tako

Post Number: 177
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Tuesday, March 04, 2003 - 8:59 pm:   

Yoshi, now it's the time to test better CG product, hehehe. :-)
Yoshi Toda (Ytoda928)
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Post Number: 72
Registered: 6-2001
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 7:03 pm:   

Philip,

That's a very good question about the removal of the old polymer and/or wax. In my case, as a trial, I applied KLASSE AIO and SG with three coats of P21S wax about three months ago though I am normally a Zaino person. So, I was concerned whether these polymers would come off and how, I washed it with Dawn and the grease remover TAKO gave me as a part of the basic Crystal Guard Quick kit to wash off the previous coating. To be honest with you, I do not think it came off completely. Then, I moved on to polishing with PC (Porter Cable) and then washed it again with Dawn followed by CG grease remover again. Then, at last, I applied the CG to finish. I almost think we need someone to "invent" the easy polymer remover, which could become a big seller....
TAKO (Tako)
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Username: Tako

Post Number: 173
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 6:09 pm:   

here are more pics.
CrystalGuarded TVR Tuscan Speed 6
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TAKO (Tako)
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Post Number: 172
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 5:25 pm:   

I have put it once in the past but I didn't like how it looks. I may be too picky....
Lou B (Toby91)
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Post Number: 126
Registered: 4-2001
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 4:30 pm:   

Tako: Stoneguard on a silver 360 spider is essentially invisable and really protects.
TAKO (Tako)
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Username: Tako

Post Number: 170
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 1:29 pm:   

it doesn't make sense to put it over clear bra but it doesn't hurt.... Anyway I don't believe you think clear bra's surface looks GOOD.
Lou B (Toby91)
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Post Number: 125
Registered: 4-2001
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 1:11 pm:   

Does this stuff work on Stoneguard?
TAKO (Tako)
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Username: Tako

Post Number: 169
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 1:07 pm:   

I usually polish my car first before application, but I also have experiences doing application over waxed bodies for my friends. Even with some wax, just by washing with the CG wash, application came out pretty good... FYI
philip (Fanatic1)
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Post Number: 20
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 12:17 pm:   

Yoshi,

Before you applied the C.G, did you have to strip your car of the Zaino that you had been using before, or did you just apply the C.G. over it?

philip (Fanatic1)
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Post Number: 19
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 11:55 am:   

The liquitech is another polymer bonding product, and apparently is very similiar to the C.G......at least according to other replies in this thread....what intrigues me the most about the C.G. is the apparent ease of application...that would be really nice. I've gone the the official website and I e mailed Jim hoping to order one of the kits, but I haven't heard back from him......thanks for the info...
TAKO (Tako)
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Username: Tako

Post Number: 167
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 11:52 am:   

If that product is not oil, wax or detergent based, I don't see any problem.
philip (Fanatic1)
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Post Number: 18
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 11:37 am:   

Tako,
If I've previously used liquitech, can I apply the C.G. directly over it? Or do I have to try and remove anything that I've done before....does anyone know the answer to this. I've gone to C.G.'s website, and it doesn't say much about using it over other treatments........
Tyler (Bahiaau)
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Post Number: 577
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 11:24 am:   

When you find out, shoot me an email so this thread doesn't go off-topic. [email protected]

Thanks
Willis Huang (Willis360)
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Username: Willis360

Post Number: 1158
Registered: 8-2001
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 11:22 am:   

Nice pix. But how does it look under a clear blue sky at noon? Under florescent light? Most, if not all, black cars will have some imperfections which will show up under certain conditions. Does the product leave the surface absolutely perfect under close scrutiny(no spider webbing, swirls,etc.)?
TAKO (Tako)
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Post Number: 166
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 11:21 am:   

I will ask him.......................
Tyler (Bahiaau)
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Post Number: 575
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 11:20 am:   

TAKO, I LOVE THAT SHIRT!!!! WHERE CAN I GET ONE???
TAKO (Tako)
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Post Number: 165
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 11:19 am:   

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Tyler (Bahiaau)
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Post Number: 573
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Posted on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 11:17 am:   

OOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH!!! very nice looking TAKO!
TAKO (Tako)
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Post Number: 164
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 11:16 am:   

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TAKO (Tako)
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Post Number: 163
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Posted on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 11:14 am:   

More crystalguard pics here!

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Tyler (Bahiaau)
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Post Number: 568
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 10:21 am:   

Steven, I agree, I use Zymol concours and love it.

I am wanting to try Crystalguard though and can't wait to see the results.

James, LOL. Now that is what a Ferrari is supposed to look like!
Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
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Post Number: 633
Registered: 10-2001
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 8:59 am:   

Ohhh that pic is amazing James !!!
James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
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Post Number: 686
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 8:54 am:   

This is a pic of my P4 after it won Daytona.
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Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
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Username: Enjoythemusic

Post Number: 191
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 6:20 am:   

One word Zymol. PH balanced, all natural... and there is no substitute for high dosages of Carnauba.


The rear car photo... you can notice my yellow shop lamp at left-center that is about 6 feet above and also see the reflection of the rear window printing on the car's engine cover.


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The photo with the blue shelf... notice depth and clarity. The more you look, the more you see. Sorry for my garage mess...


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The final photo i turned upside down so you could better see the trees in their "normal state". Notice how my red car does not look red. It is more a mirror :-) Depth, clarity, yada yada... Zymol...

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As always, if you need super high rez photo (3+MB files) let me know.


Enjoy the Drive,

Steven R. Rochlin
TAKO (Tako)
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Post Number: 162
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 3:16 am:   

Hey Yoshi, wait for 48 hours before you give an answer yourslef :-) :-)
Your car will look much better Monday Morning!!! Truse me!! :-)
Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
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Post Number: 95
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Sunday, March 02, 2003 - 9:34 pm:   

I can't wait to see CG's durability. Anyway I could get a sample to use on my daily driver pictured below?

Pledge is an urban legend. Pledge is a poor excuse of a quick detailing product, thats all. It was actually tested vs Quik Detailer and a Mother's brand quick detailer and the Pledge did as much harm as good for attracting dust. At least the quick detailers contain a tiny bit of carnuba.. the Pledge on the other hand.. ? Oil? On your paint finish? I tried it and gah, sorry I did.
Jeffrey Caspar (Jcaspar1)
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Post Number: 74
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Sunday, March 02, 2003 - 7:49 pm:   

It will be interesting to see how long the shine lasts. I think the big advantage of Zaino is that it's shine last for a long time. I believe that Pledge furniture wax is supposed to give the best shine (I've heard it used at some car shows) but attracts dirt and doesn't last. Then again if you have the time to wax every week, it really doesn't matter how long it lasts.

PS Please tell me that heart flag isn't hanging out in front of your house.
Yoshi Toda (Ytoda928)
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Post Number: 71
Registered: 6-2001
Posted on Sunday, March 02, 2003 - 6:21 pm:   

Tako,

I`ve applied just one coating. And, I DID NOT first apply wax on just to see what it is like and took these pictures. Then after the photo shoot session, I put P21S wax on the left side of the hood while the right side was left un-waxed, just compare the difference. You know what? It was almost the same shine, gloss, and clarity. Maybe..just maybe a bit of wetness was enchanced with the wax, of which difference between those two was not obvious. �@When using the Zaino, the difference was more obvious and I could tell the dfference. But, this time, this CG, as you indicated, may not need a wax. Of course, I could be wrong about that. Anyway, I love this stuff, especially as it is as easy as washing a car. I would like to hear from others who might have tried it and will try it. Great product, Tako! Yoshi

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TAKO (Tako)
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Post Number: 159
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Posted on Sunday, March 02, 2003 - 2:10 pm:   

Yoshi, you've already done 6 layers....???
Todd Gieger (Todd328gts)
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Post Number: 394
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Sunday, March 02, 2003 - 11:37 am:   

I would be very interested in trying crystal guard as well...please email me [email protected]
Tell me where I can buy some.

Thanks!

TTG
Yoshi Toda (Ytoda928)
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Post Number: 70
Registered: 6-2001
Posted on Sunday, March 02, 2003 - 10:43 am:   

Yeah I did, Tako! And, thanks for the free sample of CG for me to try it on my car, and I am loving it. I hope I can get to report on its durability, though it really does not matter as long as it lasts for 6 months because I am an obsessed detailer.
Noelrp (Noelrp)
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Post Number: 183
Registered: 8-2001
Posted on Sunday, March 02, 2003 - 10:02 am:   

Tea party on the 15th? What time? Are the 6 girls coming? :-)

I'll try to make it.
TAKO (Tako)
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Post Number: 158
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Sunday, March 02, 2003 - 3:42 am:   

It seems you liked CG product, Yoshi!!! :-)
Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
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Post Number: 90
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Sunday, March 02, 2003 - 1:02 am:   

Here is what my car looks like unless its right after it rains and I haven't made it back to the house to detail yet.

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Its a metallic black (Anthracite), but I shine and polish so much, it has much more depth then factory fresh Anthracite.

I can read a newspaper (small print, not headlines) held up several feet away. I can see individual hairs and pick out if one of them is grey (or white.. I'm 26 years old) from 2-3 feet away.

When people post reflections of the sky, clouds, trees, nearby objects on a flat surface, I'm very unimpressed vs what I see everyday.

My carnubas look better then Zaino, though not by too much, I'll apply it once every week or two. Who cares. I can check fluids, tire pressures, clean the undercarriage, wipe down the interior, its beyond an obsession. I wouldn't have to polish or reapply Zaino, but it isn't king of looks and you still have to wash the car after its rained. Driving, detailing, I enjoy them both equally.

Now, if this is the "next level," at least its not triple digits to test the product. :-)

Sunny
Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
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Post Number: 89
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Sunday, March 02, 2003 - 12:56 am:   

Double post, clicked on post instead of review.
Yoshi Toda (Ytoda928)
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Post Number: 69
Registered: 6-2001
Posted on Sunday, March 02, 2003 - 12:40 am:   

I welcome any criticism and skeptical comments about my previous post about the Crystal Guard. As said in the previous post, I want you all know that I tried it on my car today. My car is 1985 Ferrari 308 GTS in metallic black, which I am very proud to say it is also my daily driver. So, it would be a perfect car to test drive this new product, everyone seems to have some problem scknowledging its superiority. I, for one, was somewhat skeptical before I saw the Tako`s beautifully detailed car collection. But, if you are or claim to be the obsessed detailers like I am proud to say I am, it would be important to keep open minded for any possibilities of unexpected encounters with any newer products with superior performance and quality as, after all, the polymer is nothing but formulations of chemicals and technologies keep evolving.

Having said, my personal assessment of this new product called Crystal Guard, after applying it on my 18 year old car, has not changed a bit from my first impression I had shared with you all yesterday. The first thing you will definitely have a `problem` using this product is in believing how easy it is to apply. First, you apply a washing liquid, which is supposed to gentley apply it with a wet microfiber towel (also provided by Tako`s company and much much finer than the PakShak MF`s) while your car is hosed down. It is supposed to remove all grease elements such old wax, etc. So, it is considered as a prepping stage. A next step is to spray this glass polymer over the paint while the car is still wet again with the MF cloth. Then, hose it down and wipe off. I should have taken the didital photos and posted here to show you the `glass` shine. It is certainly different from the shines and clarity KLASSE gives out but somewhat close to those of Zaino. But, it gives out the type of glittering and shines only you can expect from a `glass`. And, just one coat of CG (Crystal Guard) seems to mimic the effects of a mutiple coats of the Zaino.

To make a long story short, I love it! I could not believe how easy it was. And, I was amazed with the `sharpness` and `clarity`of shine and depth. I normally apply S100 on top of Zaino to get the gloss and depth of wetness, but I decided not to apply S100 today because I wanted to see it again after it is cured somewhat. Of course, the kit sample I use do not contain any abrassive/polish. I cannot speak for its longevity yet.

As for pricing, I will let Tako provide these because I was only told the basic kit is about $49, which most of us feels more than a bit pricey. But, with that ease-of-use and the glass-like sharp and keen shines and clarity,�@it could be well justifiable........ It is definitely worth trying!! Trust me!

Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
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Post Number: 88
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Sunday, March 02, 2003 - 12:38 am:   

Oh, and I might add, I think I just blew up the transmission or damaged it tonight on the '76 XJ12 after a 90mph jaunt. Doesn't slip, doesn't grind, but there's a bad noise coming from the driveline and its not engine related that I can tell. Its either the tranny or something else. I heard a loud BANG! after I was coasting to slow down from 90mph without being on the accelerator. Fluids, temp, everything checks fine. Even changes gears as normal with no vibration but a single mild thunk as these gearboxes were designed to do... hmmm.

My '74 is well up to the task, but this '76 was a fair deal and I was waiting to see if it would lemon up on me. Guess it did.
Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
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Post Number: 87
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Sunday, March 02, 2003 - 12:34 am:   

Hey now, Ken. Be careful.. this owner drives 9 miles one way to work (now thats reduced to 3 as of tonight actually), 5 days a week. But, I put around 1,500-1,700 miles, sometimes as much as 2,000 per month on my '97 and another 250-500 per month on one of the XJ12's. I have lovely road rash along my front wheel arches on my '97, and my whole front end where its paint on metal has rash or chips and I don't bother touching them up. Also, I have a scrape on all four corners from me driving without sleeping and I scraped when I backed out, one a blue trashcan (big metal variety) rolled into my front right corner, and two women hit one rear corner each. Coming back from Alamogordo by way of Phoenix, I picked up a large rock that took a half a pinky nail sized chip out of my trunk as it went up and over. I leave it there as a reminder.

Just because I detail once week doesn't mean I don't redline or drive the snot out of my cars. I just like them to look their best all the time, with the driven scars. :-) In fact, two people trying to drive their cars like I do mine ended up with multiple thousands in repairs since they weren't use to being driven hard. A friend drove my car (I forced him to) again for a few hundred miles (I was driving another Jag) and he hates my car, with a passion. He said, your car really likes to be driven hard and I just smiled knowingly. And its a friggin 4.0L straight six pushing 4,200 (including me at 150lbs) down the road. But I drive it like a sports car.

When I buy my 355 Spider in a year or two, its getting a mandatory 7,500 miles a year if not closer to 10k. And I still plan to drive my other cars too.

Sunny
Tyler (Bahiaau)
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Post Number: 564
Registered: 12-2001
Posted on Sunday, March 02, 2003 - 12:27 am:   

Tako

I'd love to have a sample bottle. If you're allready out of them, point me to where I can buy some to try it. Thanks.
TAKO (Tako)
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Post Number: 157
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 10:33 pm:   

Actually, I am having a tea party at the shop on 3/15 and you can come by :-) If you guys want some sample bottles, I have few left...
Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
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Post Number: 187
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 4:50 pm:   

Ken,

>>....Drive it like you stole it! Run those mothers!<<<

Hmmm... outside temp was 38 degrees... DARN, only 100 miles o' fun today. MUST remember to leave earlier in the day... or stay out l8tr at night :-)

Enjoy the Drive,

Steven R. Rochlin

TAKO (Tako)
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Post Number: 155
Registered: 4-2002
Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 2:23 pm:   

NP I will go get pics today.... It's at the shop.
Ben Lobenstein 90 TR (Benjet)
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Post Number: 1009
Registered: 1-2001
Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 12:23 pm:   

Rob,

I use a combination of things, but above all, the work to prepare the surface before applying any wax/polymer, shine agent etc. is the most important factor. I think Mike Charness might even agree with me ;), just like painting (a car or house) the prep work makes all the difference in the world.

-Ben
Mike Charness (Mcharness)
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Post Number: 277
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Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 12:11 pm:   

Rob, yes Zaino is polymer-based, and Ben is correct, Finish First and Zaino are very similar, though of course each will tell you they are better than the other.
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
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Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 10:33 am:   

Ben, so you use Zaino to get that top 10 finish?

Mike, is Zaino a polymer?

Yoshi, is this Tako's company? The reason he has 2 dozen of the finest sports cars? Good for him, must be good.
Ben Lobenstein 90 TR (Benjet)
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Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 10:26 am:   

Zaino and Finish First have more similarities than differences. That's not to say they are %100 the same, but the belong to the same family so to speak.

-Ben
Mike Charness (Mcharness)
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Post Number: 276
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 9:00 am:   

Yep, that's why I like a polymer instead of wax. Do it once, then forget it for 6 months to a year.
ken rentiers (Rentiers)
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Post Number: 87
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 8:52 am:   

"I use two of the best carnubas every other week"

Wax on, wax off. Jesus guys do you ever drive your cars? I think the original intent was a means of fast and efficient transportation. I'll bet Enzo's personal ride had brake dust on the wheels and a few rock chips and ran in all kinds of weather.

Drive it like you stole it! Run those mothers! Wax, wax wax - sounds like a bunch of ducks.
Mike Charness (Mcharness)
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Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 7:23 am:   

It will be interesting to see if this is that much better than Liqui-tech's Finish First, which I've been using for years with outstanding results. "Is that really the original paint?"

www.fca-se.org/concours.htm

Ben Lobenstein 90 TR (Benjet)
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Post Number: 1006
Registered: 1-2001
Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 2:55 am:   

There's only 2 ways of removing Zaino, one involves sanding, the other is not much better....dishwashing liquid does NOT take it off, just FYI.

-Ben

P.S. at CI-01 when I had my TR there, it was far and away in the top 10 shiny-est cars there, the top detailers that worked the show (incl. the Pearl Yellow Zonda) all came by to compliment and ask about it (it's not cyrstal guard either). Lately I've just been to lazy to make it really shine. Let us all know how the new stuff works and how you removed the Zaino.
Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
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Post Number: 86
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 1:31 am:   

*licking lips* Gloss, reflectivity, depth, clarity, ease of application, and durability.. these are words that get me almost as excited as talking about Ferrari's and Jags. I would devour pics of Zaino on one car and then Crystal Guard applied after it was stripped of Zaino and prepped..
Yoshi Toda (Ytoda928)
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Post Number: 68
Registered: 6-2001
Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 1:26 am:   

Sunny,

Unfortunately, I did not take my camera with me when visiting their shop called Custom Exotica located in Mountain View, CA.

Tako, if you are reading this thread, could you post some photos here so that the guys here can see what I am talking about?

Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
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Username: Jaguarxj6

Post Number: 85
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2003 - 1:02 am:   

Before and after pictures, please!

I use two of the best carnubas every other week because they edge out Zaino in looks. Every day is a show day to me. Thats my #1 priority. If it does in fact beat Zaino in apperance, I would consider a switch.

But, the finish better be perfect (unbelievable prep work) for Crystal Guard, because once you put this stuff on, you don't want to have to remove it, no matter how easy or difficult! :-)
Yoshi Toda (Ytoda928)
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Post Number: 67
Registered: 6-2001
Posted on Friday, February 28, 2003 - 11:09 pm:   

Hi Guys!

I`ve just got to share with you what I just saw, of which magnitude of my shock was the best to be described as `Close Encounters of the Thrid Kind`. I have been a big fan and a faithful user of Zaino Bros for years when it comes to detailing my pride and joy......MAYBE......COULD BE....UNTIL.....I have just eye-witnessed the AMAZING mirror like deep wet look ad\nd reflection of CRYSTAL GUARD! I had been hearing about such productin Japan,which is well famous for a new super glass polymer combines glass and fluorine fibers. Its application is also said to be the easiest and requires the shortest time. This product has been just brought to the US market for the very first time and the man behind all this is TAKO (a great guy and FerrariChat member). When he showed me personally his black Lamborghini Murcielago, California blue 360 Modena Spider, black Z350 and the amazing black Z8 with Crystal Guard, it was as if I was hit by a lightening. AMAZING STUFF!! Especially, the shines and depth of 3D effect was so noticeable from a distance and looked definitely much better and amazing than when it was new. Many of the loyal Zaino or Klasse users including myself do not want to hear this or admit that there is actually better polymer product out there...Well, I was! He gave me a sample to try out this weekend, and I cannot wait till I try it and see what it can do to my car. I have no bias towards this CRYSTAL GUARD or affiliation with TAKO or Crystal Guard, and I am just trying to stay neutral and objective. But, I highly recommend all of the FerrariChat folks to give this product a try to see for yourself. I guarantee you that it will blow your mind away if you see what I just saw! Here`s their website, http://www.crystalguard.com/ This well could be the ULTIMATE detailing product of the century!!

Zaino, this is going to be tough to beat! This weekend could become my last day of my long lasted affectionate relationship with Zaino... I will report back to you with the result this weekend.

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