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john w. houghtaling, II (Johnhoughtaling)
Junior Member
Username: Johnhoughtaling
Post Number: 87
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, March 06, 2003 - 11:42 am: | |
I'd also like to know about how many 89 328GTBs were made. I have S/N 80050. I was told 41 US cars. Not sure total production. I'd sure like to know, because I think the 89 GTB is a jewel.
I cannot see myself ever selling it. Aside from absolutely incredible reliability (bought mine 5 years ago with 5200 miles, now have 19,500), I think the GTB is absolutely beautiful.
I also drive the car very very hard at the track, and can tell you the suspension is fantastic. I am able to lap our home track about 5 seconds faster (and with much more confidence) than a stint I took in an early 1988 GTB.
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j scott leonard (Jscott)
Member
Username: Jscott
Post Number: 313
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, March 06, 2003 - 11:26 am: | |
Understand the total production numbers but still have never been able determine how many 89 gts' were produced with ABS. Any answers? |
fritz jerey (Jerry328)
New member
Username: Jerry328
Post Number: 9
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, March 06, 2003 - 11:15 am: | |
"published "facts" often have exceptions"
i agree:
a friends 328 gts is a late 89,convex wheels/new suspension, etc.. but no ABS. |
Dave328GTB (Hardtop)
Member
Username: Hardtop
Post Number: 445
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, March 06, 2003 - 10:59 am: | |
Ken,
I have heard from several sources that 40-41 GTB's were sold in the US in 1989. I have vin#'s for about 20 so far and about 60 for all 4 years. GTB's are rare in the US, though not as rare as QV GTB's. Based on my research, I estimate there are 125-150 GTB's in the US. Anyone wanting a copy of the list can email me offsite.
I have read that ABS was optional in Europe beginning with Vin#76626 and became standard somewhere around 78000. However, when dealing with Ferraris, even published "facts" often have exceptions. |
fritz jerey (Jerry328)
New member
Username: Jerry328
Post Number: 8
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, March 06, 2003 - 10:24 am: | |
in total 1344 GTB�s were produced from 1985 to 1989,
serial numbers 58735 bis 83017.
among them 244 with ABS.
did i understand the question right...?
as far as i�m informed the suspension geometry was changed to provide anti-dive and zero offset, concurrently with the preparation to accept the ABS.
"from 76625" ,i ment: not including ....25, but from then on meaning 76626 was the first
(....i think it�s my english?) |
ken rentiers (Rentiers)
Junior Member
Username: Rentiers
Post Number: 101
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, March 06, 2003 - 9:55 am: | |
should read:
So - anyone have solid numbers on how many 1989 328 GTBs were produced. I keep hearing '35' - is this the number imported to the US or total production? I suspect the former and total production of around 75.
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ken rentiers (Rentiers)
Junior Member
Username: Rentiers
Post Number: 100
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, March 06, 2003 - 9:52 am: | |
"from serial number 76625 convex wheels came"
(just for ABS cars") - nope!
"the big suspension change came late in the 88MY VIN#76626"
I'm certain it was the suspension elements that dictated convex wheels. I believe some 328s exist with conCAVE wheels and ABS, typical Ferrari. |
Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
Member
Username: Vwalfa4re
Post Number: 676
Registered: 5-2001
| | Posted on Thursday, March 06, 2003 - 9:50 am: | |
I have read in the V8 Restorer's Guide that convex wheels is not necessarily an indication of ABS. Is this not true? |
ken rentiers (Rentiers)
Junior Member
Username: Rentiers
Post Number: 99
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, March 06, 2003 - 9:48 am: | |
My understanding is the new (anti-dive) suspension parts were developed for the 348 and incorporated on the late 328's as soon as they showed up at the factory. Dunno if they are the same as 3.2 Mondials.
It was the new suspension that mandated convex wheels, not the ABS.
So - anyone have solid numbers on how many 328 GTBs were produced. I keep hearing '35' - is this the number imported to the US or total production? I suspect the former and total production of around 75.
-ken-
'89 GTB 78881 |
djmonk (Davem)
Junior Member
Username: Davem
Post Number: 197
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, March 06, 2003 - 7:42 am: | |
So if i understand correctly the updated suspension that came on the later 328's was adopted from the 3.2 Mondial's??
I have a late Nov. 88 build Mondial #78666 that ive been trying to find out if it had the 328 changes!? |
fritz jerey (Jerry328)
New member
Username: Jerry328
Post Number: 7
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 05, 2003 - 10:24 pm: | |
hi,
some feedback from europe:
i don�t know about the US 328 import models...if there was a difference at all (?)
here ABS was optional. we still have many 89 328 with convex wheels but without ABS.
from serialnumber 76625 convex wheels came just for ABS cars. later all cars got the mondial 3.2 wheels/suspension, but the "theves mk1 ABS" was still optional.
there are some other changes, but i don�t know which year they started, maybe 88 ?
from # 75929 new locks for the front and rear hood (now "flattering" at high speeds), new gas pedal suspension, overworked gearshift assembly (is this the right word?..hm) and new lever for seat adjustment.
but apart from all these improvements.. in my country the decision is quite easy:
everyone�s looking for the early 86/87 model - without cat, 270 hp, more torque, and more or less different "motor-characters". cause from 87 only the us-model with 260 hp, and the switzerland-model with 255 ph and more weight has been imported.
ciao |
Dave328GTB (Hardtop)
Member
Username: Hardtop
Post Number: 444
Registered: 1-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 05, 2003 - 10:18 pm: | |
Like Steve said, the big suspension change came late in the 88MY VIN#76626. There were many changes, mostly small, throughout production. 89's differ from others with ABS of course and some minor cosmetic changes, mostly to the front bonnet and stuff underneath. Also, shocks were changed again vin#78613, reason unknown. You can check the archives for more info on 328 updates. John is right that the later version suspension feels completely different than earlier ones. I would not argue with anyone who thinks 89's aren't worth the premium, but I think they are.
By the way, I have an 89 328 GTB by choice. I can actually afford any 8 cyl. Ferrari.
Dave |
Stephen J. MacKellar (89gtb)
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Username: 89gtb
Post Number: 14
Registered: 12-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 05, 2003 - 7:03 pm: | |
Actually the suspension changes were done for the 1988 1/2 model year, and which necessitating using the convex wheels, with ABS being added for the 1989 model year. The 'trim' changes were done for the 1988 1/2 and remained in 1989. |
john w. houghtaling, II (Johnhoughtaling)
Junior Member
Username: Johnhoughtaling
Post Number: 86
Registered: 11-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 05, 2003 - 5:13 pm: | |
Actually there are some very significant changes that occured in 1989. Despite the ABS, and the convex wheels, the suspension is radically different. Driving a 89 and any other 328 is worlds different, much much improved. Does the suspension upgrade justify the 5-8K price difference. Not sure. |
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator
Username: Rob328gts
Post Number: 3854
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 05, 2003 - 5:08 pm: | |
We have our own little 328 club in Dallas and when you put them all together you notice the little differences. There's many many little interior and cosmetic changes and I'm sure minor mechanical changes too that I would never notice. |
Crawford White (Crawford)
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Username: Crawford
Post Number: 1
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 05, 2003 - 5:05 pm: | |
I know that in 89 the car went to ABS, updated suspension, and convex wheels. I have just also heard that the front hood strut was changed to a hydrolic type.
What other changes were made, if any??
Thanks!
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