| Author | Message | ||
| john (Johnwto)
Junior Member Username: Johnwto Post Number: 64 Registered: 6-2002 |
hey frank, not to be arugmentative but an m5 is not faster than a 355 on the track.....at all. i have owned both of them at the same time and had both of them at mosport and was nearly 4 seconds faster in the 355. also the m5's brakes started to cook and the clutch sucks. mosport is very much a horsepower track but the m5 is just too heavy. a great car, but not comparable to a 355 on the track. now i haven't driven an m3 but i do have a 360 and i can't possibly imagine how an m3 can be quicker on the track. in fact, drivers being equal i would say it's not possible. brian herta, ex-cart driver, did a test drive at buttonwillow for road and track (june 02) and the 360 killed the m3 in every segment. you make think the 360 is ugly but it's not slow..... | ||
| John J Stecher (Jjstecher)
Member Username: Jjstecher Post Number: 383 Registered: 1-2002 |
Spyder - Your video is no race at all is it? It looks like your all moving at about 20 miles an hour. I am not picking a fight but I dont think you have anything to worry about if the cops see this video. I find it hard to believe that the M3 is faster than the 355 or 360 around a track, but in a straight line they are nearly as fast. Never having driven any of them on the track but having driven them on the street the acceleration feels alot a like in each car. Which car would I take...Ferrari all the way. | ||
| EFWUN (Efwun)
Junior Member Username: Efwun Post Number: 168 Registered: 2-2003 |
Frank, you're being willfully obtuse, but then, that's your nature, isn't it? | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1969 Registered: 9-2001 |
I go by my own experiences not what some magazine writer claims that is excited about getting to drive a Ferrari. In fact in the instance I recall, the 355 rounded turn seven ahead of me and i passed him going down the straight and he caught back up with me at turn two. | ||
| EFWUN (Efwun)
Junior Member Username: Efwun Post Number: 165 Registered: 2-2003 |
Frank, you're wrong about the M3 taking a 355; that is not a question of believing Ferraris can jump higher and run faster, it's just a plain fact. I'm not suggesting a 348 can take an M3, nor am I suggesting a 355 can keep up with a Z-06. Just that, good car for good car, the 355 is a faster car than the M3. As to passing cars on the racetrack, that has to do with how fast you exited 7 compared to the 355, and how far into the throttle you were at the exit, as compared to any particular car you're passing. You might, (heaven forbid) be faster at getting to the throttle than the guy in the 355, and your advantage would then be with you all the way up the straight. According to most magazines, an early 355 will run from 0-100mph in about 11sec, while the M3 and the M5 are in the high elevens (M3) and low 12s (M5). | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1968 Registered: 9-2001 |
Some of you guys are something else. I love Ferraris and Dinos as much or more than anyone else. I've had six of the things ! But I'm not going to pretend that they're the fastest, best handling, most comfortable, most reliable or cheapest to own cars out there. They're not. They are the best looking, best sounding and most fun cars to drive out there though. A stock E46 M3 will run away from a 355 fairly easily. As to the 360, I really don't know. I do know that I would rather have an e46 M3 than a 360 as I don't like the way a 360 looks. But that's just my opinion. You are welcome to yours. As to my M5 at RA, I have rounded turn 7 on more than one occasion and passed a 355 before the black flag station. My M5 is stock all but K&N filters and drilled out cooling vents for the front brakes. Now I admit that the 355 caught back up in the curves. PS, I no longer buy French products. | ||
| Tino (Bboxer)
Junior Member Username: Bboxer Post Number: 246 Registered: 8-2001 |
Frank, Does toasting mean out-accelerating on the straight or is it a whole lap around the track ? I don't normally race people in a straight line but my son one day brought a little Sentra (nicely prepared)from Nissan's headquarters where he works and "toasted" me big time in my 360. Didn't mean much to either of us. | ||
| EFWUN (Efwun)
Junior Member Username: Efwun Post Number: 162 Registered: 2-2003 |
Frank, you're just trying to stir crap again. Puhleeeze, the M3 cannot run with either the 355 or the 360 when stock. This is just a matter of fact, not conjecture. As for you "toasting" a 355 on the straight at RA; I can only imagine that you sat on the side of the track, and raised a nice glass of Dom Perignon as the 355 went by. That fits the definition of "toasting", and is the ONLY way something like that could happen!! | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 1967 Registered: 9-2001 |
I have no problem believing that the new M3 can toast a 355 and 360. It is a very fast car. And, unlike Ferrari, BMW has routinely under rated its horsepower ratings over the years. I know my M5 will out run a 355 down the back straight at Road Atlanta, but I have never run against a 360. | ||
| David W Burnett Jr (Dbdreams)
New member Username: Dbdreams Post Number: 8 Registered: 3-2003 |
I have to agree with BretM's analogy: who really is the winner? Ferrari's make grown men's hearts skip a beat, pulses rise, School girls squeel, and most of the time even make non "car people" turn their head just to get a look. All that just from seeing one. I dont think the BMW would do the same. Back in 1988 I was 18 and I bought a 87 corvette. Being young and stupid as I was I would race anybody anywhere. As luck would have it one night coming up the on ramp to the highway where I was driving was a nice red 308 (not sure but I believe it was 80-82 model)and I know these are the slowest of the models but after antagonizing the driver who was an adult probably in his 40's at the time he finally kicked it from about 55. He got the jump but I blistered him bad. I loved my car and I liked to drive fast but dont think for a minute I wouldn't have traded keys in a heartbeat. Like BretM said in the end the other guy was driving the Ferrari home so who is the real winner? | ||
| Manu (Manu)
Member Username: Manu Post Number: 671 Registered: 2-2002 |
These videos are somewhat annoying.......  | ||
| Johns (Modenaf1fan)
Junior Member Username: Modenaf1fan Post Number: 199 Registered: 11-2002 |
IF you guys think that dangerous check out these trailers for the siiickest man alive, "ghostrider" http://www.ghostridermovie.net/main.php also the movie is on kazaa if you have highspeed..the movie is tooo freakin sick!! | ||
| Nick (Nick_wood)
Junior Member Username: Nick_wood Post Number: 67 Registered: 3-2002 |
I got blown off by a Supra in my 360 Big deal... | ||
| Roel de Fouw (Spawnz)
Junior Member Username: Spawnz Post Number: 112 Registered: 6-2002 |
LOL Spyder, great vid. Awesome to see how that 355 with the top off just keeps on pulling and pulling, leaving the countach in the dust, I bet he didnt even knew what hit him. All happened so fast. And to see the spider just smash the door in his face when he pulls over to the right lane again. What a display. Awesome, thnx for the clip. *grin* | ||
| Ming Cheng (Onlinesys)
Junior Member Username: Onlinesys Post Number: 224 Registered: 5-2002 |
I am not sure if it is something to do with my computer but I don't think they were driving at 280-300km/h. You could compare with the video posted earlier with a Japanese guy driving a F40 at 260-320km/h and get caught. It just does look right!? | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Junior Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 205 Registered: 6-2002 |
Bret, the M3 (especially now that the US gets the euro spec engines) is seriously fast as is, and quite a capable and impressive car frankly. Check out www.eaglef1.com. Most enthusiests will agree, that for the most part, BMW got it right with their M series cars, and has produced some damn fine automobiles (of COURSE Ferraris are better, they've something that no other auto manufactuar can touch. Hell, the sound alone of a 360 is worth a hundred and sixty grand, and you then get the car for free.) I agree though, something dosen't smell right about those vids. The 360 sure took it's sweet time in the over-run during shifts... | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Advanced Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 3261 Registered: 2-2001 |
I got the impression that it was a little off also. The 355 would pull hard from like 6k higher and keep distance with the M3, but the ahole would start every "drag" at like 4k and the m3 would walk away for the first second. Also, the m3 started first nearly every time, then the Fcar would hold it's ground. Regardless, at the end of the day the one guy is driving home in a BMW and the others in Ferraris, who really won... IMO certain cars are stupid to make fast, this BMW is one of them. If you're gonna make a car faster, why not start with something fast in the first place like a Ferrari, Lambo, Vette, Viper, etc. | ||
| Spyder (Spyder)
New member Username: Spyder Post Number: 10 Registered: 10-2002 |
The videos look like some guys out having fun, but I'm not sure the guys in the other cars knew that they were racing. Seeing those videos reminded me of this one: Click Here to see the Countach In Action! (shhh, don't tell anyone, it really isn't a race) | ||
| James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Member Username: Omnadren250 Post Number: 390 Registered: 7-2001 |
Hey Ryan, It's too friggin cold to do anything here. I have also been busy with work. Perhaps in a couple of months when the ice melts, we can get together and talk cars. James | ||
| RANDOLPH MADAMBA (Pogibm)
New member Username: Pogibm Post Number: 41 Registered: 8-2002 |
most of you guys who dont belive an m3 can kick a** and play with exotics better do more home work.i used to own a 96 m3 with a dinan supercharger and it was faster than a f1 355 and a 98 twin turbo, so i know those video's are legit. dont forget i do own a fast 512bb. | ||
| Ryan550 (Ryanab)
Member Username: Ryanab Post Number: 298 Registered: 3-2002 |
Long time, no post James! (can't say I blame you)least your inside where it's warm. brrr. Ryan | ||
| James Dixon (Omnadren250)
Member Username: Omnadren250 Post Number: 389 Registered: 7-2001 |
One day these idiot, reckless drivers will be removed from the gene pool. Hopefully, they only kill themselves and not innocent commuters. Remember.....Darwin loves you!!!!  | ||
| EFWUN (Efwun)
Junior Member Username: Efwun Post Number: 113 Registered: 2-2003 |
Sunny, you're absolutely right but you're talking about a miniscule difference. I'm talking about frontal area, though, and I'm pretty sure the M3 has significantly more frontal area than the Modena and especially the 355. I have no Diablo experience, but neither the 360 nor the 355 sound quite right; shift intervals a little short, and revs don't sound quite high enough either. I'm thinking they tanked. | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Junior Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 126 Registered: 2-2003 |
McLaren - .31 drag coefficient Diablo 6.0 - .31 drag coefficient | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Junior Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 125 Registered: 2-2003 |
Actually, the drag coefficient claimed by the manufacturers is .015 less on a '01 M3, .32 then it is on the F360, .335. The F355 has only slightly more then both at .35. The F40 has .34 I was posting links, but my ••••••• IE crashed and of course, it closed all my windows... Check out google and search it out. I was surprised. Sunny | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Junior Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 202 Registered: 6-2002 |
At 1:37 in th emodena clip, the 360 shoots fire out it's tailpipes. Cool. M3 must be supercharged within an inch of it's life, and otherwise heavily modified. With the weight involved, and the speeds they are *claiming*, they'd need 400+hp to the wheels... Diablo video driving looks a little, ah, dangerous. I try to keep it for the track. -Ben. | ||
| EFWUN (Efwun)
Junior Member Username: Efwun Post Number: 109 Registered: 2-2003 |
Shahin: Care to explain how a "400"hp car weighing 3,600lbs can take a Modena, at 395hp and 3,200lbs? Or even a 3,000lb 355 with 385hp? What about aerodynamics? Car to estimate the additional frontal area of the M3 compared to the 355? Drag increases as the square of speed, don't you think that might have some effect at 120+mph?? These vids are total hogwash. | ||
| Jonas Petersen (Karsten335)
Junior Member Username: Karsten335 Post Number: 244 Registered: 11-2002 |
Hehe Jamil, I live in Denmark just above Germany, and I gotta tell you guys. He's right. Germany has one of the longest higway networks in the world; the "autobahn" and there are no Speedlimits (Off caouse, hasardess driving is not allowed during rush hours) but besides that, almost everything is allowed if the conditions allow it. | ||
| Jamil Jamal (Jameel)
Junior Member Username: Jameel Post Number: 53 Registered: 9-2002 |
If any of you have been or driven in the middle-east / Europe (some countries) you would realize this kind of driving is not that bad! Everybody weaves in an out of traffic at insane speed with no regard for safety! It�s really something you have to see to believe, a 3 lane highway becomes 4 lanes. Lines are meaningless and traffic lights are merely nice decorations. A couple of years ago when I was in the middle-east, I was in my cousin�s BMW 5 series on the highway in the flow of traffic at (180 km/h) on a supposed 3 lane highway, which had become 4 lanes (some how). When these 2 guys on a motorcycle pass us doing a wheelie with no jackets, no helmets and just a shirt and shorts. People in this part of the world are crazy! | ||
| Matt S (F40only)
New member Username: F40only Post Number: 4 Registered: 3-2003 |
That was insane the way that Dibalo weaved in and out. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 2696 Registered: 8-2002 |
i'm guilty as charged for weaving in and out of traffic like a sewing needle threading cloth- the feeling is beyond wordly explanation... The other videos looked fine, but what do i know...? The Diablo video raised my eyebrow, though, 'cause it should've just been a little dot waaaaaay far ahead of the camera... Which reminds me of the black Diablo at BofLI- maybe the snow melted off the cars...! Well, i've gotta go... i'll be back... | ||
| shahin tabassi (Shahin)
Junior Member Username: Shahin Post Number: 79 Registered: 4-2002 |
that m3 is supercharged 400hp. The videos are legit. | ||
| EFWUN (Efwun)
Junior Member Username: Efwun Post Number: 103 Registered: 2-2003 |
Uh, oh, and I just took my hat off to you (Ryan) on the other post for having a sense of humor! D'OH!! Ryan, you haven't ever cut in and out of traffic before? | ||
| John (Modenaf1fan)
Junior Member Username: Modenaf1fan Post Number: 189 Registered: 11-2002 |
those vids are bullsh1t. they other drivers let the M3 win to "show" that it has balls. They are all friends and it doesnt even look like they were going fast. So ill throw the BS flag on that M3. | ||
| Ryan550 (Ryanab)
Member Username: Ryanab Post Number: 292 Registered: 3-2002 |
EFWUN - Yes, I am and I would hardly call endangering peoples lives on a public road, "fun". DUH. Ryan | ||
| Paul Hill (348paul)
Junior Member Username: 348paul Post Number: 108 Registered: 12-2002 |
M3 Aerodynamics at 200mph = Brick wall - compared to the Diablo! Alan - Ask them if they fancy a re-match! - Tell them they wont need much tape for the video!! I seem to remember a Japanese video of a NSX with 280BHP wining over a 355 with 380BHP! They showed the in-car video of the 355 - They driver must have gone from 3rd to 4th to 5th in about 3 seconds!! - Must laugh!! Ho Hum ! | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 343 Registered: 6-2002 |
They said the M3 is supercharged didnt they? I do think the videos are bogus, as in the Diablo video it looks as though the Diablo is just cruising along at speed, and in the the 360 video, they keep going back and forth and then at high speed the M3 wins? Id give it more of a shot down low, but not up top. Look at that Ernesto, i defended your supposed car! | ||
| EFWUN (Efwun)
Junior Member Username: Efwun Post Number: 100 Registered: 2-2003 |
Concur with you, Adam. I personally toasted a reasonably well-driven M3 with my '95 355B, don't see how 40hp would have helped him. | ||
| Adam (Eldiablo_viper)
Junior Member Username: Eldiablo_viper Post Number: 146 Registered: 7-2002 |
Nice video but I call BS on this. There is no way that M3 could stay with those cars to 190mph. I looked at the web site and the are selling 40HP upgrades. | ||
| EFWUN (Efwun)
Junior Member Username: Efwun Post Number: 98 Registered: 2-2003 |
Gee, Ryan, are you the fun police as well as the sticker police? | ||
| izel k. (Ferrarist)
Junior Member Username: Ferrarist Post Number: 156 Registered: 3-2001 |
Doing such a movement at that speed is crazyy (check after 41st second) and at the 25th second the guy says : "he shifed to wrong gear". If i'm not mistaken the smoke coming from the diablo's exhausts is because of that downshifting instead of up! | ||
| Ryan550 (Ryanab)
Member Username: Ryanab Post Number: 291 Registered: 3-2002 |
Those idiots in the Diablo clip should be thrown in jail. | ||
| izel k. (Ferrarist)
Junior Member Username: Ferrarist Post Number: 154 Registered: 3-2001 |
thanks Jamil! i live in Istanbul and i've never seen these videos before. | ||
| Ghostrider (Threefivefive)
Junior Member Username: Threefivefive Post Number: 51 Registered: 8-2002 |
Holy cow!! Very fast, and very nice (although I couldn't see much of the 355 in the 355 clip). Regards. | ||
| Jamil Jamal (Jameel)
Junior Member Username: Jameel Post Number: 52 Registered: 9-2002 |
There are 4 videos at the link below. They consist of a modified M3 (In Turkey) racing a 911 Turbo, Diablo, F355 and Modena. It's a pretty impressive M3. I'd still rather have any of the other cars, but you have to give the M3 some respect. It beats the F355 with no problem, but has a harder time with the F360. Enjoy! http://www.enigma247.co.uk/videos/ |