| Author | Message | ||
| acw (Acw)
Junior Member Username: Acw Post Number: 142 Registered: 2-2002 |
Hey Tony, good to see you post on FerrariChat Arnaud (ACW) | ||
| tony colicchio (Tcracer)
New member Username: Tcracer Post Number: 1 Registered: 3-2003 |
Ben, I watched your video, you are the cause of the car getting loose. That patch has been in turn six for the past 3-4 years. Your line was quite a bit off, then you got on the throttle too hard, then you pinched the exit. -Tony C | ||
| Johns (Modenaf1fan)
Junior Member Username: Modenaf1fan Post Number: 201 Registered: 11-2002 |
WOW! I just watched those two videos of the BEAST! dammmm that thing is LOUD!! I wonder if you need ear plugs to drive that thing  | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Junior Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 216 Registered: 6-2002 |
This is the turn, note the new pavement (you can hear it) and my car getting sideways at about 100mph http://www.dreamwithyoureyeswideopen.com/ferrarichat/carousel.mpg Of all the areas to go off at Sears, this one has probally the MOST runoff. It could have been worse, thank god no one was hurt. The car will ride again. Best! Ben. | ||
| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
Member Username: Eric308gtsiqv Post Number: 653 Registered: 11-2001 |
AMEN, PSk, Dr. Cosgrove, and William H!! | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2111 Registered: 2-2001 |
I think Art owns a software Co As for street racing, I dont know how laws are in the UK but in the US the authorities dont mess around anymore. Any more than 100 mph can land you in a real "pound you in the Azz " prison. No Thank you, I'll stick to the track & remain a virgin LOL | ||
| Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
Member Username: Vwalfa4re Post Number: 721 Registered: 5-2001 |
To echo PSk; Back in 1985 when I was 17 I was riding in a new Trans Am with an(ex)friend when he decided to pull that roadrace bullshit. He floored it at a green light and wouldn't let up. We crested a hill and drove towards light traffic. While I was screaming at this guy to slow down a car WAY up ahead changed into our lane. We were going way to fast to avoid an accident. We hit 4 cars, I watched the first one flip. Somehow, even with the hood bent up towards the windshield the car was still drivable so what did this ••••••• do? He kept going. He finally let me out of the car about 10 miles away. I walked to a nearby pool and got a friend to drive me back to the accident scene. Man, I was scared. I just knew someone was dead. Thank God no one was seriously hurt, but here's the catch: That first car had a baby seat in the back that was crushed. The mother had left her child at home to run to the supermarket less then a mile from her house. So she was only going to be gone for 10 min or so or otherwise she would have had her baby with her. That baby would not have lived thru the wreck. I never spoke to that guy again. I only saw him in court which included civil lawsuits against him. I was unhurt. I was not charged with anything. I didn't watch someone's child die. For some unknown reason I was given a free pass. Things could have been a lot worse. Do not make the mistake that it will never happen to you and if I does you may not be as lucky as me or some kid who is probably a senior in high school now and making their mom proud, instead of her visiting their 18 year old gravesite. | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Junior Member Username: Psk Post Number: 245 Registered: 11-2002 |
Sexy_cruiser, Please have a good look at yourself! There is no such thing as a professional street racer, as there is no such thing as a REAL race on the street. Until you have raced on a race track, in an event, you will not understand what I mean. But I will try to explain below. No matter how fast you are on the road (endangering all other road users at the same time ... remember there could be a young baby in the car that you crash into. What gives you the right to terminate that young life before they have even had the chance to live!) you are pathetically slow compared to what is required to be competitive on the race track. It is just completely different, and will make you realise that you just do not know what you are talking about regarding racing ... it just is impossible on a open (ie. not closed for racing) road. I had a friend that used to race on the road ... and he had the chance to do a club race event. He came back a changed man, and never raced on the road again ... because he realised that he previously was being a total WANKER, just like you are being. Thus yes I have nothing against what you have done to your car, I have nothing against cruising, and car shows, but racing on the road simply kills innocent people, and gives a very, very bad name to car enthusiasts. Please, please take in some of mine, and others, words before it is too late and somebody has to pay the worst price. Pete ps: The only time you are really racing is when it is on a closed race event when EVERYBODY is trying 110% to win ... no excuses, no compromises! ps 2: Sexy_crusier, I am speaking from personal experience as I was young once and used to drive too fast on the road ... then I found circuit racing ... never, ever drove as fast on the road again. Had my fix on the track and loved every minute of it I also have little children now and would kill you with my bare hands if you harmed them ... as would any parent! You may have children one day, and thus the boot will be on the other foot, so think about it with some maturity. | ||
| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
Member Username: Eric308gtsiqv Post Number: 650 Registered: 11-2001 |
Kevin...here's what a quick google search turned up: http://www.semi.org/web/wmagazine.nsf/4f55b97743c2d02e882565bf006c2459/60b4f4ba1dbef582882568720076a9db!OpenDocument http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Art+Zafiropoulo | ||
| Kevin Butler (Challenge)
Junior Member Username: Challenge Post Number: 111 Registered: 9-2002 |
Now that we're on it, who is he anyway? I'm always curious to know about these collectors and how they made their fortunes. | ||
| Michael Yip (Mightyslash)
Junior Member Username: Mightyslash Post Number: 148 Registered: 4-2002 |
He must be really special if he owns 2 of the 3....Just out of curiosity, what makes him so special? Other than being a billionaire | ||
| Wade Nunez(FortuneMotors) (308nut)
Junior Member Username: 308nut Post Number: 167 Registered: 7-2002 |
Art has chassis has #001 002 is in Japan 003 is in Australia Wade www.fortunemotors.com www.308qvregister.com | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Junior Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 208 Registered: 6-2002 |
"True professionals save it for the track. Poseurs endanger pedestians and other drivers by "street racing". Honestly, that's like hitting the strip clubs while dating Elizabeth Hurley. " - Andre Vieira on F-Chat. I'm going to have to save this one! Laughing very much, because it's all true! Best! Ben. | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Junior Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 207 Registered: 6-2002 |
"There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games." -Ernest Hemmingway. Here we plainly see why. I am first and foremost glad that no one was hurt. Ouch, coming out of turn 6 (swooping faaast 180degree) the car can get very loose, especially where the new pavement transitions. I have spun there myself (got on the brakes fast, and car never left track, there's a wide-ISH <for> runoff there as the course dumps out onto the drag strip.) I have tapped the tire wall at turn 9 (cracked a fender.) though. Sears is indeed a track worthy of respect. I actually have an MPEG of my car's rear end steping out at about 100mph exiting turn6. Let me see if I can find it. You can actually hear my passanger scream. Heh. notice how the howel of the tyres changes when I hit the new pavement? It's qite slick there. (my line was lousy too, how embarseing!) and I wasn't driving a 750bhp 1800lb car either... Anyway, BRAVO to whom ever drove the car, this is the way to get nicks if they must come. (beats the hell out of getting rear-ended by a Corolla at a light!) Race cars get off track. only a matter of time. I am thankful above all that no one was hurt, and... She'll be back. Best! Ben. | ||
| Andre Vieira (Goggles_pisano)
Junior Member Username: Goggles_pisano Post Number: 84 Registered: 5-2002 |
Two things: 1. shame about the F50 GT but like Steve Austin, we can rebuild him, we have the technology... 2. Professional street racer?! Wil, isn't that some kind of oxymoron? You're from England fer chrissakes! Home of Goodwood, Brands Hatch, Silverstone, Oulton Park and countless other wonderful pieces of real estate that you Brits charmingly refer to as "circuits". Plenty of companies there offer track days on these fine race courses for reasonable fees. Why would you risk such a nice looking Vauxhall to race on the street? True professionals save it for the track. Poseurs endanger pedestians and other drivers by "street racing". Honestly, that's like hitting the strip clubs while dating Elizabeth Hurley. You sir, are a silly goose. end soapbox rant. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Advanced Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 2584 Registered: 6-2001 |
Nova, is that a chevy nova? One of those econoboxes from the 80's? around here in the US when we see those cars, we laugh. No one over here is dumb enough to sepnd $ to upgrade them when we would rather spend our money on guns and such, since we all own several. | ||
| Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
Member Username: Vwalfa4re Post Number: 716 Registered: 5-2001 |
Hey, Sexy, I think you stumbled into the wrong chat site. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2107 Registered: 2-2001 |
I think Art is close to being a billionaire so I dont think he's too worried about the price of Ferrari parts I met him at the FCA annual in LA last year, he's a cool guy. Too bad about his car. I heard that Ferrari built 3 F50GTs and Art now has 2 of them | ||
| J R K (Kenyon)
Junior Member Username: Kenyon Post Number: 204 Registered: 10-2002 |
Will, Whats the point in spending thousands on a nova. With all that money you spend on doing the nova up and making it fast you could have bought a Ferrari. Another thing .. You Street Racers - not worth taliking about.. | ||
| Justin Randall Kenyon (Kenyon)
Junior Member Username: Kenyon Post Number: 203 Registered: 10-2002 |
Will, What are you on about ??????????? A nice content of words, NOT !!!!! | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 682 Registered: 10-2001 |
Professional Street racer ? | ||
| Will (Sexy_cruiser)
New member Username: Sexy_cruiser Post Number: 1 Registered: 3-2003 |
awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww did he crash it the gimp. look i'm from england and in my opinion if you can't handle the car then you shouldn't be in it. i hate posers who go around in their ferraris doin 20mph thinking their cool when infact everyone looks at them and thinks look at that •••• he has a ferrari and hes not thrashing it. i'm a professional street racer and i know for a fact that i couldn't hadle a ferrari so i stay away. i'll stick to my cars that i can handle like my 2.0L 16v nova with 235bhp with NOS and a turbo. its soon to be 4WD as well the first in the country. a car like a ferrari is a race car no mattrer how you look at them so stop your fuckin crying and get the fuckers out there and thrash the bollocks off them like they were made to. if you have the money to own one then you have the money to repair it but of course you should be able to handle them n e way. done  | ||
| Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
Member Username: Vwalfa4re Post Number: 711 Registered: 5-2001 |
I agree with Pete also. Nobody on this chat site loves their Ferrari more then I do mine and I drive the •••• out of it on the track. I hope I don't break it but if I do I'll fix it and go back out again. | ||
| Henryk (Henryk)
Member Username: Henryk Post Number: 538 Registered: 8-2001 |
I agree with Pete: While it isn't pretty to see a wrecked "raced" Ferrari, I simply cannot feel sorry for the owner, at all. If you aren't prepared financially, to race your car, then DON'T. By financilally, I ALSO include the cost of repairing the car if wrecked. If you are not prepared for a wreck.......then GET OUT!!!!!! Don't cry to me for sympathy. | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Junior Member Username: Psk Post Number: 241 Registered: 11-2002 |
Guys and girls, It is a racing car for gosh sacks, not a historic painting. Wouldn't it be more of a waste if it just sat statically in a museum ... I think so. I am also worried about how you guys use your Ferraris, or do you just polish it every weekend? Ferraris are cars, and fast cars and to really get the full enjoyment and purpose out of these vehicles you have to drive them and give them some stick, and slide them around and race them, etc. Why buy a Ferrari (especially one that can do nearly 350 kph) and not use it for what it was designed for. Far better to have an accident while having a good thrash than selling your Ferrari without really understanding what they were all about. In the end modern Ferraris can be fixed and should be used and thrashed ... just like many Porsche owners do with they Porsches ... This accident does not harm the resale value at all of this car IMO, all race cars have accidents and are fixed as good as new ... even MS F1 car. If you do not have a loose ever in your race car you are not trying at all ... and just being a poser. Yes this guy made a mistake on cold tyres, but how many of you guys have driven a car with 720 hp?, I never have ... but I have driven a race car with 400 hp per 1000 kg and had a cold tyre accident ... which was 100% my stupid fault (only did this once, never again ), but I am human and I guess so was this guy. Thus please stop crying every time a NEWish Ferrari gets bent ... they are cars first, art second, and get out there and actually REV your Ferrari and chuck it into a corner, and come home with a huge smile on your face Pete | ||
| Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
Member Username: Vwalfa4re Post Number: 708 Registered: 5-2001 |
I watched him let Derrick Bell drive it at the FCA National 2000 in Colorado. He wouldn't let me. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Advanced Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 2577 Registered: 6-2001 |
When the owner said "take my car for a spin" i dont think this is the kind of spin he had in mind. | ||
| Red (Redhead)
Junior Member Username: Redhead Post Number: 192 Registered: 12-2001 |
Tim, The car is to low for a flat bed, and parts of the car were touching the ground. Michael-- as stated previously---The car was being taken out by the driver to show the speed of the car. Art is known for letting pro drivers come in and take his car for a spin. | ||
| Michael Yip (Mightyslash)
Junior Member Username: Mightyslash Post Number: 147 Registered: 4-2002 |
By the way, what did Art say about this? | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Advanced Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 2576 Registered: 6-2001 |
I do not think this accident will affect the value of the car very much. Seeing how there are only what, 3 of them (?), if it went up for sale it would sell for however much the seller wanted. As mentioned before, finding parts willbe a pain in the neck. It probably would have been a better idea to use a flatbed rather than a forklift to move it. | ||
| Michael Yip (Mightyslash)
Junior Member Username: Mightyslash Post Number: 146 Registered: 4-2002 |
Why the hell would he let anyone else drive it? There's only 3 in the whole damn world. | ||
| Red (Redhead)
Junior Member Username: Redhead Post Number: 191 Registered: 12-2001 |
Kevin, Playing devils advocate, He is only Human. I agree that cold tires and 8/10 is not a good thing, but, we all make mistakes, his is just VERY public. | ||
| Kevin Butler (Challenge)
Junior Member Username: Challenge Post Number: 110 Registered: 9-2002 |
This is very sad for the car but lucky for the mystery driver. This is my wetdream car (see my profile) if there ever was one. My 2 cents: (1) Whoever wrecked this beast must not be much of a "pro" if they pushed this hard on cold tires. (2) Covering the front damage is, as Bret said, gay. This is a car, not a cadaver. | ||
| John A. Suarez (Futureowner)
Member Username: Futureowner Post Number: 560 Registered: 3-2002 |
For all those interested, here are some specs on the car: Naturally Aspirated 720.0 bhp @ 10500 rpm 380lb/ft of torque Curb Weight 1801 lbs. Top Speed 390kph or about 236mph The engine is a reworked F50 engine(Tipo F130) This car is extreme to say the least | ||
| John A. Suarez (Futureowner)
Member Username: Futureowner Post Number: 559 Registered: 3-2002 |
Here is my guess: 6-12 months downtime with a minimum price of $200,000 to fix | ||
| Roel de Fouw (Spawnz)
Junior Member Username: Spawnz Post Number: 113 Registered: 6-2002 |
Martin: Are you telling me this car is Turbocharged ? I didn't know that. | ||
| Red (Redhead)
Junior Member Username: Redhead Post Number: 190 Registered: 12-2001 |
FYI--Martin, this is a non turbo car. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 3972 Registered: 5-2001 |
BTW Matt, I am just saying that because I plan on coming up this summer to Lime Rock or some of the other places and this way I can hitch a ride | ||
| Matt (Matt_lamotte)
Junior Member Username: Matt_lamotte Post Number: 220 Registered: 10-2002 |
I'm am sure Art was there but was he there? This car has to be his baby even though I am sure he can cover the cost. I wonder who he will send it to to get fixed. How long would it take to fix that? | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 3971 Registered: 5-2001 |
MATT, LOL I"d be hatng it as well but then I do not think I would remotely do that with somebody elses car, because I would never drive it to the limits. I can only guess that the turbo came in when he was still cornering, spinning out. Bad Turbo mistake. Ron, I was thinking the same when he said KING. Thought I can finally put a face to the "funny" posts, since he disappointed me so badly not showing up at Cavallino. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Advanced Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 3265 Registered: 2-2001 |
Art Zafiropoulo is the man. Even if the tub is cracked, I'm sure he has pull with Ferrari and they have been known to make up special parts for big customers. This is such a wicked car, I hope he continues to track it after it's fixed. | ||
| Red (Redhead)
Junior Member Username: Redhead Post Number: 189 Registered: 12-2001 |
DES-- The car was being taken out by the driver to show the speed of the car. Art is known for letting pro drivers come in and take his car for a spin. The driver, who I wil not post his name, was coming out of the carousel, which if you look on pic one of the orignal post, is right behind the infenion sign, and applied a little to much throttle on cold tires. The car then "tank slapped" a few times as the driver was trying to correct it, and ended up going into the tires at the entrance of the next corner. If you look closely on the first pic, to the left of the light pole, you can see a faint red dot, that the car. The driver is an accomplished driver, and just made what appears to be a simple, very costly mistake. | ||
| Ron Thomas (Ronsupercar)
Member Username: Ronsupercar Post Number: 501 Registered: 5-2002 |
On a car like this, I'd rather have front end damage than rear end damage..That will be an easy fix. When you said KING I thought you you were refering to the "Forza King".. Bad memories.. | ||
| Matt (Matt_lamotte)
Junior Member Username: Matt_lamotte Post Number: 219 Registered: 10-2002 |
Ummmm Mr.Art Zafiropoulo. I uhhh well uhhh made a ummmm mistake uhhhh today with your ummm F-50 sir. It's going to need a little body work. Hello...Hello Are you there? This guy has to be hating it. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 2718 Registered: 8-2002 |
i agree with Jeff, this wasn't a race, so there was no reason to get all "final lap of the championship" with the car, on the track, but before we go calling this guy a butt head, can anyone tell us how it happened...? Did the car malfunction, was there something on the track...? If this isn't his car, he's obviously a competent driver- If i had an F50, i sure as hell wouldn't let just anyone take it on the track, so he must be trusted... i can't imagine he went out there, irresponsibly... Any ideas...? | ||
| Greg V. (512tr17teeth)
New member Username: 512tr17teeth Post Number: 10 Registered: 3-2003 |
Good ponint DES, I have always wondered what goes through the minds of the drivers, especially after they wreck an F50!!!! I would think, that they would never be able to put another Ferrari in gear again!!! | ||
| Matt S (F40only)
New member Username: F40only Post Number: 21 Registered: 3-2003 |
That is terrible,and like DES said, luckily the driver is ok. | ||
| Red (Redhead)
Junior Member Username: Redhead Post Number: 188 Registered: 12-2001 |
I was there, and I saw it. There is a slight possiblity that the tub is cracked. You can not see it in the pictures, but there is a crack in the carbon right below the shock support. No one there knew if it was a core piece of the tub. There are no "spare parts" for this car. This is the car that Ferrari built to race, and it came with 2 full sets of spares. The owner then sold the spares back to Michelloto (? sp)and they built the other 2. I am good friends with the tech that takes care of this car, so I will try my best to keep you informed. | ||
| jeff ryerson (Atheyg)
Junior Member Username: Atheyg Post Number: 186 Registered: 8-2002 |
The owner of the F50 must be very generous and trusting to let someone drive his car Now the driver I have no empathy for,he must be a fool,totally incompetent or way overestimates his abilty, this was not a race you don't need to drive at 10/10ths wrecking this car was unneccessary Schumi he's not | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 3966 Registered: 12-2000 |
I didn't have any problems racing again, but the sinking feeling for loosing a $3,000 car was awful, I can't imagine it being anything more expensive than that. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 2716 Registered: 8-2002 |
OUCH...! i'm glad the driver's ok, that's all that really ever matters... Poor F50, though... The driver must not be too okay, though, mentally- i mean, how would you feel if you wrecked someone else's F50...? i would imagine he had permission to drive it and that he's a professional and that the owner should anticipate the possibility of accidents, but still... For those of you who've taken cars on tracks and had accidents- how hard is it to get back on the track with another car...? To get your mind frame back in it, without constantly thinking about the possibility of another crash...? | ||
| Matt (Matt_lamotte)
Junior Member Username: Matt_lamotte Post Number: 218 Registered: 10-2002 |
On that other page they said that they didn't make any more parts for the GT cars. Do you think that will be a problem for him or are those all standard F-50 parts? | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 3961 Registered: 5-2001 |
That is not too bad. Just a little frame and front clip and the car is good to go again. Nothing serious. Still probably some $100K. | ||
| Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
Member Username: Vwalfa4re Post Number: 705 Registered: 5-2001 |
That doesn't look too good. | ||
| Ben Lobenstein 90 TR (Benjet)
Intermediate Member Username: Benjet Post Number: 1047 Registered: 1-2001 |
Here are the hardcore ones (not taken by me):   | ||
| Ben Lobenstein 90 TR (Benjet)
Intermediate Member Username: Benjet Post Number: 1046 Registered: 1-2001 |
Jens, Generally speaking they call Elvis "the King", and in some ways the F-50gt1 has the presence of Elvis. It was an attempt at humor. -Ben | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2104 Registered: 2-2001 |
Ferrari didnt race the F50GT for the same reason they never really helped campaign the 308, 348, 355 and many other cars. They concentrate so much on F1 that they dont care about road racing, even though the Ferrari legend was made in road racing and not in F1 until later on. Ferrari tells most privateers " You can only lose" Great attitude | ||
| Jens Haller (Jh280774)
Member Username: Jh280774 Post Number: 326 Registered: 9-2001 |
Ben, Who is the KING by the way? Con saluti cordialissimi, Jens Haller | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 674 Registered: 10-2001 |
Justin , Ferrari did build 2 more F50 GT for 2 serious collector with the spare parts of the 001. The F50 GT was originally built to race in the BPR serie and @ the 24H of Le Mans but for some reason ( Budget ? car not fast enough ? ) it never raced. | ||
| Justin Randall Kenyon (Kenyon)
Junior Member Username: Kenyon Post Number: 195 Registered: 10-2002 |
AS I understand wasn't this car 001 the only Ferrari built F50 GT. It was orginally built to race in the LE MANS 45 Hour, but was shelved by Ferrari and the car was sold to a private dealer , with a previso that it was never to be raced in competion. Cool to take it on the circuit, shame about the car. | ||
| Andrew Menasce (Amenasce)
Member Username: Amenasce Post Number: 673 Registered: 10-2001 |
Its really sad to see the F50 GT on Forklift  but it was hurt doing what it was meant to , and we should thank Mr Art Zafiropoulo for taking risks and actually taking it to the track. Hope to see it back on the track as quick as possible ! I wonder how they will fix it as if i remember correctly Ferrari used the spare parts for 001 to buid 002/003 no ? | ||
| '75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Advanced Member Username: Peter Post Number: 2574 Registered: 12-2000 |
Maybe the covering is to hide some special, or experimental parts? Remember, this car was a tech-tour-de-force at the time and still is in some cases... Or yes, could be just out of respect for the owner. In any case, its a shame, but at least it did its job - gave its life to save the life of the driver! | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Junior Member Username: Psk Post Number: 237 Registered: 11-2002 |
Good on him I say, atleast he was giving it some ... far better than it being a show only car. A race car is a tool to win races, and thus accidents happen. As has been said it has just added some history and will be back better than new and racing again This is different to classic racing in old historic, important cars where the car should not have to support a win at all cost drivers ego. They are to be raced, yes but not like you would this F50 or other new cars ... ie. they should go back to the owners in one piece with a few laps of grinning fun under their belt. I get really pee'ed when I here somebody quoting lap times in a 1950's Ferrari and then they bend it trying to be Schumacher. Modern cars and race series are what it is about if you want to be a racing driver ... not historic racing. Pete | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Advanced Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 3262 Registered: 2-2001 |
He just added some history to the car, it is a race car anyways. Regardless, as has been said, it will be fixed as good or better than it was before. Cars get banged up, fix em and get on with it. Kind of gay how they hide the carnage, like if they hide it it never really happened... We have cars come into work that are really f-ed up (F50 included), they leave as nice or nicer than the cars that are delivered straight from Maranello. | ||
| Ben Lobenstein 90 TR (Benjet)
Intermediate Member Username: Benjet Post Number: 1044 Registered: 1-2001 |
I have the utmost respect for the owner, the mechanics/techs, drivers, etc. which is one of the reasons I wanted to step up the the plate in this manner as opposed to everyone hearing about this thru a grapevine full of rumors. It just about breaks my heart to see this car this way, knowing how special it is, but to know that it will be repaired and back on the track living and breathing again (hopefully where I can see and hear it), is something I certainly can look forward to... -Ben | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Junior Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 147 Registered: 11-2002 |
Good to hear the driver was not seriously hurt. At least they respectfully covered the carnage too. This is just too bad, but at least the car was on the track for the fans to enjoy. RESPECT!! | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 3956 Registered: 12-2000 |
Race cars wreck, this one will be back on the road good as new. Glad to hear no one was hurt. | ||
| Ben Lobenstein 90 TR (Benjet)
Intermediate Member Username: Benjet Post Number: 1042 Registered: 1-2001 |
Let me preface this with a few comments, I think we all as fans/enthusiats deserve to see and hear about this first and not after it's been on wreckedexotics.com. It is VERY unfortunate (for the car, the driver is very fortunate - not noticably hurt) that this incident occured. During the Challenge race at Sears Point Saturday (3/8/03) 5 of 17 cars had on off track experience. In the following session the first car out was the KING, it had been out on the track earlier in the morning (before I got there) for some warm-up laps. I'm not certain if the KING had made it around a full lap yet but...for those who haven't heard the car went off the track and hit the wall at the end of turn 6. Sears point is notorious for eating cars, and toady it had a big appetite. At first we did not know for sure if it was the KING because we couldn't see the acutal incident location from the grandstands. Then when we noticed he was the only one missing from the lineup, our stomachs dropped. We knew it was bad when they got the forklift to retrive the car, instead of a towtruck. As you can see the forklift, backed down the drag strip, with the damage facing away from the crowd. Hopefully others can share their pics of the forklift once it got to the paddock, I didn't get over there in time. That's where the damage is most visible. Yes this is F-50gt 001 owned by Art Zafiropoulo, he was not driving at the time, the driver was not noticably injured as they didn't send out the medicos to collect him. More comments as I come up with them.... In case you want to see what this car WAS like, here is another Ferrari Day with it: http://www.nsxfiles.com/fontana_ferrari.htm -Ben      | ||
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