| Author | Message | ||
| Tony Fuisz (Fuiszt)
New member Username: Fuiszt Post Number: 38 Registered: 10-2002 |
My 330gt2+2 fits in under your price range and leaves enough to do some stuff right away-for me it was having the master cylinder and boosters rebuilt. I think you just have to decide between V12 and wooden steering wheel vs a very nice V8 car | ||
| Lee Pierce (Leepierce)
New member Username: Leepierce Post Number: 37 Registered: 1-2003 |
Here's my mechanic's 250 GTE. Looks rough, but I find it wonderful to see a work in progress that I know is going to be perfect one day. A driver, not a show car. Well, maybe both. I did not get Tim's permission to post this, so if you are reading, I hope you don't mind! Mechanically the car is restored; runs very well. Body and interior are next. His shop is in Maryville, Tennessee, a little south of Knoxville, where I live.   | ||
| David P. Smith (Dave330gtc)
Junior Member Username: Dave330gtc Post Number: 96 Registered: 3-2002 |
Lee, I would like to see pictures of the GTE work in progress. | ||
| Lee Pierce (Leepierce)
New member Username: Leepierce Post Number: 36 Registered: 1-2003 |
(Sorry, Jason, slightly off-topic) I'm finding it very interesting that the 250 GTE is so well thought of in this thread. Wasn't it listed repeatedly as one of the "least desirable" Ferrari's a few weeks ago? I personally think they're beautiful...2+2, elegant, classy and V12...what more to say? My mechanic has a '62 he's been fixing up for years in the back of his shop. Funny how I never noticed it until I had him work on my 308. Now I gawk at it as much as my own car. I can't wait until he gets it finished. Oh, Jason...on topic...I've only driven one of these, a 348, and being appreciative of fewer choices, my money would be on that (and will be, once the 308 gets paid off). I have a couple of cool pics of the "work-in-progress" 250GTE I will post if anyone's interested. | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Junior Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 156 Registered: 2-2003 |
If you consider an E-Type, get the 4.2 six cyl, easier to tune and modify, more sporty handling then the V12's, which can also be a bear if you don't shop very smartly. The roadsters are the most highly desired, the Series 1 went through many changes, so try to get a later Series 1 if you want the most creature comforts of the 61-67 model year. Early Series 1 with the alumnium dash plate are rare, any alumnium bodied E-Type is highly prized. Enzo in '88 remarked the E-Type was one of the most beautiful sports cars ever created but should have had a Ferrari engine (with an added chuckle). | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 410 Registered: 4-2002 |
In your price range the best overall sportscar you can purchase is a Porsche 993. For that price, you can get a '97 or '98 model in perfect condition with low miles. They are rock solid reliable, very well built, FAST, handle great, have incredible brakes, are tons of fun on the track and look great too. If your into an older car because its more classy (and Im right there with you! ) you may consider a Jaguar E-Type. I just bought a '67 Roadster that is a blast to drive and the E-type is one of the best looking cars ever created. Of coarse a 330GT 2+2 is not a bad choice... | ||
| Scott (Jsa3)
New member Username: Jsa3 Post Number: 9 Registered: 1-2002 |
I'm picking up my '64 330 2+2 tomorrow. I have right at $45k invested, including Texas sales tax ($2000.00)and transportation to Dallas from Cal.($1100), and a year's insurance ($350.00). Not included-$500.00 paid to friend as finder fee, $1000.00 worth of odds and ends: parts,tools, etc..I guess I'm fixing to find out for myself. | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1220 Registered: 8-2002 |
365 GT 2+2: Pluses 1. Ferrari V12 powerplant 2. vintage Ferrari looks 3. sounds produced by Ferrari V12 powerplant 4. power steering (not a plus for me, but for someone who's looking for that modern feel) 5. V12 6. smooth ride (same as P/S above) 7. V12 8. large enough for two adults, two small children, and a ton of luggage 9. V12 10. relative simplicity = easier for you to do routine repairs/maintenance/adjustments yourself 11. V12 Minuses 1. high cost of maintenance/repairs 2. limited availability of parts=longer downtimes 3. serious heft = not a lot of off-the-line grunt There you have it. 11 to 3 in favor of the Queen Mother. | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 797 Registered: 12-2001 |
Least amount of compromise of which? Nostalgia or performance? I don't think 45k $ will buy you the right kind of 348, but if you're willing to look at ex-Challenge cars, perhaps. The 250 GTE is funky, but not a modern drive; the 330 still funky, but more modern, yet a properly restored one (hey, its an old car) will probably set you back more than you are prepared to spend. The only thing scarier than one of the mainstream Lambos is one of the unsuccessful models:- if you wanted to burn money like that, i'd buy an Espada, (or better yet, my favorite moneypit, the A-M Lagonda). Mondials are not my favorite, nor high on the list in terms of performance or panache; their market price reflects that. I agree with whoever said finding a used P-Turbo that has not had the •••• beaten out of it will be a challenge, since you are talking about older cars. 250 pf coupe is truly funky, and probably more collectible than any of the cars you listed, but, again, good luck in finding a restored one at that price. 365 2/2 is probably the best compromise between funk and performance among the ferraris you have listed, but it is a big ship. What would i do if i were you? Fiberglass 308, get some work done on the engine, suspension, etc. Collectible, cool looking, pretty good performance, relatively low maintenance and parts compared to older 12 cyl F cars, and you will have enough money left over to make the car a jewel. | ||
| EFWUN (Efwun)
Junior Member Username: Efwun Post Number: 166 Registered: 2-2003 |
365 GT 2+2 | ||
| Jason Wesoky (Wesokyjb)
New member Username: Wesokyjb Post Number: 42 Registered: 1-2003 |
Thanks for the advice. One main problem I face is the inability to drive many of the cars listed. Dealers are unwilling to let me test drive (I look like I'm 20), and there aren't many private sales around here (Colorado). As for what I want, if there's a car out there with the nostalgia of the 250GTE and the modern power/performance of the 348, I'll buy it. Otherwise, I am willing to compromise either performance or nostalgia. The question is, then, of those listed, which requires the least amount of compromise? | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 4014 Registered: 5-2001 |
250GTE is a very very pretty car. I personally love it. Had to chance to buy one for $ 30K a few years back and did not go for it. One of those that you will ever regret. The 348 is a great driver. Very reliable and great road handling. Depends what you want to do with the car. If you get a classic you can be waiting for parts forever on the car if (and that is just a question of time) something does go bad. So if you like driving I thing the 348 is a great choice. Make sure the 30K service is properly donce ont he TS you are looking at. Reputable company. Records .... Best of luck. Martin | ||
| Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Junior Member Username: Jaguarxj6 Post Number: 142 Registered: 2-2003 |
Drive as many as you can and buy the best example you can afford of which one makes you toss and turn at night the most. And the one you simply can't get your mind off of. Thats how I buy my cars. Choose what best suits your attitude, pleases your senses, and your finances the best. The only thing we can do is tell you to avoid something because its a "lemon" for what you describe your after. Sunny | ||
| Henryk (Henryk)
Member Username: Henryk Post Number: 558 Registered: 8-2001 |
I agree with Don.......Jason has to decide on what he wants. The group of cars that he mentioned are TOO diverse.........then he adds a 328 to the equation. I'm getting the feeling that he doesn't have any idea, at this time, on what he wants. | ||
| Don Vollum (Donv)
Junior Member Username: Donv Post Number: 67 Registered: 1-2002 |
I think you need to think about what you want, and maybe try to go look at some or all of these cars in person. Ideally, drive them. The 250GTE driving experience is *vastly* different than the 348 or the Jalpa. For the best of all those worlds, I'd probably consider either a 365GT 2+2 (I own one) or a 365GTC/4. Both of those cars provide a "classic" feel without being so "classic" they are painful to actually use. | ||
| Modified348ts (Modman)
Member Username: Modman Post Number: 483 Registered: 11-2001 |
STI WRX or Lancer EVO, they may not look good to some but for the money it's fun putting them to it's limit and they have all wheel drive with all the goodie upgrades all factory done up. But hey I understand if the Jap cars are not your thing but just a suggestion. I picked up a S2000 supercharged and I have more fun tearing it up and shifting through the gears than both Lambo or Ferrari, but I love the sound of an F-car as nothing compares to it and the handling has a better feel too in high speed turns compared to a lightweight car. | ||
| Jean-Louis (Jlm348)
Member Username: Jlm348 Post Number: 474 Registered: 11-2002 |
I agree with others that the most exotic- with the least amount of reapirs would be a 348. I own one and absolutely love it. The jalpa is a very beautiful car and very rare 410, but very expensive to maintain. if you were toying the idea of a mondial- take a look at the 3.2, it isn't as fast but will give you less reapir bills overall. Suggestion- as everyone has mentioned before do a ppi before bying any car- getting the wrong car that has been abused and not maintained will cost you more then a 355 in the long run | ||
| Henryk (Henryk)
Member Username: Henryk Post Number: 555 Registered: 8-2001 |
For $45K.......I'd look for a testarossa. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 666 Registered: 8-2001 |
Get a Corvette or a Supra! Just kidding  . I'm assuming this is going to be a fun car- like a sunday car? I have my little BMW daily driver which is really nice for around that price, but seems like you want an exotic (good for you!). Chances are the Porsche would be the least maintenance of all. I'd probably get a 348. | ||
| Dan Gordon (Ferruccio)
New member Username: Ferruccio Post Number: 17 Registered: 2-2003 |
Go for the Jalpa. Less than 500 were made (very rare) and there great cars. Ive seen some for less than 30,000 | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 631 Registered: 1-2002 |
JL- No offense taken, I was just screwing around. | ||
| Jean-Louis (Jlm348)
Member Username: Jlm348 Post Number: 472 Registered: 11-2002 |
Hugh, No offense- it just sounds exactly like a friend of mine's car , and i can not believe that he is considering selling it | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 629 Registered: 1-2002 |
JL- Not sure, the acid was kicking in pretty strong that day. Yes, in the showroom. | ||
| Jean-Louis (Jlm348)
Member Username: Jlm348 Post Number: 471 Registered: 11-2002 |
Hubert did you actually see this car in the showroom? I am almost positive I know who ownes the car, and the pictures on the web site look like they were taken around the person I know's house. I saw an identical car to this if not the same one in January at my friend's house in the south bay. | ||
| Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
Junior Member Username: Enjoythemusic Post Number: 238 Registered: 4-2002 |
L.Wayne, (Said in good humor) Shame on you! i now have a wet spot in my... http://www.symbolicmotors.com/frames/images/Contemporary/Vehicles/3541/3541.html Ohhhhhhhhhhh ahhhhh... Enjoy the Drive, Steven R. Rochlin | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1204 Registered: 8-2002 |
Gee, what a strong salesman. He really knows how to negotiate a deal, doesn't he? Typical. | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 626 Registered: 1-2002 |
I walked in and asked if $xx,xxx would by the car. The salesman thanked me, and told me that, unfortunatly for me, the car is listed at $70k + (forget the concrete number, it's been months), and that they could not let it go there (my offer, bid, flying in the face of reason). I left a card, and have not heard since. Which, I suppose is better off. | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1203 Registered: 8-2002 |
Hugh, just curious, what kind of a bid? | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 625 Registered: 1-2002 |
Wayne- okay, you win, you're right, I conceed. | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1202 Registered: 8-2002 |
Hence, "More importantly, consider the dealer that is listing the car for sale." | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 622 Registered: 1-2002 |
Wayne- I've seen the car in person, and put a bid in for it, which, by no suprise, didn't fly. The car IS nice, and clean, but pebble beach quality it is not; which by the asking price you'd presume it was. | ||
| Byron (Bmyth)
Member Username: Bmyth Post Number: 430 Registered: 10-2002 |
Jason, the vintage 12's will all get you on maintenance. In order to better judge your choices, perhaps, you should think about a lower priced car and have cash reserve. Don't break the bank on the purchase of the vehicle b/c more than likely (no matter how pristine the car is), it will require service. With that said, though, my vote is for the 330 or a 365 C4... great sounding car!... You can find a medley of 348's in that range, particularly TB's and TS's... that would be a great way to go, too... but then again, I do have some bias there! | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1201 Registered: 8-2002 |
1. Consider the condition of this particular car. 2. More importantly, consider the dealer that is listing the car for sale. There are plenty of nice 330 GTs out there for around $45K. My point was just that I would spend my $45K on one of them. I didn't mean this particular car, though I can see how including the link to more pics could have made that impression. My bad. | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 620 Registered: 1-2002 |
Wayne- I concur, but they're asking $75k for that car. | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1200 Registered: 8-2002 |
My vote:  For more pics and info: http://www.symbolicmotors.com/framesets/page2.html | ||
| Jason Wesoky (Wesokyjb)
New member Username: Wesokyjb Post Number: 41 Registered: 1-2003 |
I have heard that the 328 is reliable, but it does nothing for me. It's probably a generational thing, but,to me, it has neither the nostalgic appeal of, say, a 250 GTE, nor the umpff of a 911 turbo or the 348. | ||
| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
Member Username: Eric308gtsiqv Post Number: 661 Registered: 11-2001 |
I'd have to agree with DaveL (Hi Dave!) -- the 328 is a good solid reliable F-car for the money...right Rob? | ||
| Dave L (Davel)
Junior Member Username: Davel Post Number: 235 Registered: 7-2001 |
Best car for your money is probably a 328. Take a look around. Rated the most reliable Fcar made and plenty of parts and service for them outside the Fcar dealer network. Martin has a nice one in Miami on consignment that is about 45k but needs belts. That car also has a history. Give Martin a jingle or email him off his profile. JMHO..Dave | ||
| Jason Wesoky (Wesokyjb)
New member Username: Wesokyjb Post Number: 40 Registered: 1-2003 |
Example of cars I've found --Jalpa, 5,500 miles, $48k at VIPclassics.com --250 GTE, 51k miles, $52k at Ferrariclassified.com --330 GT 2+2, 1964 50k miles, $40k at ferrariclassified.com --Mondial T, 30k miles, $46k at Ferrariclassified.com --348ts, 32k miles, $49k at collectorcartraderonline.com --365 GT 2+2 1970, 3k miles since rebuild, $50k at hemmings.com --250 GT PF coupe, low-end price of approx. $51k according to qv500.com | ||
| EFWUN (Efwun)
Junior Member Username: Efwun Post Number: 144 Registered: 2-2003 |
Believe it or not, the best Ferrari bang for the buck on your list is the 365 GT 2+2. Lots of torque, beautiful sound, and the one my dad put 45K miles on in 3 years between '71 and '74 was bulletproof. Even the "Aria Fredo" works!! The Lambo will make you nuts, and finding an older Turbo that hasn't been roasted might prove tough. Also, cars this old aren't appreciating or depreciating significantly. See, e.g, FML index. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Junior Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 159 Registered: 11-2002 |
If you can get the 250 GTE for that kind of price, go for it. I'm a sucker for the round tail lights (1963?). Then again, I'd stretch and get the 330 America. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Junior Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 158 Registered: 11-2002 |
Multiple choice! My favorite! F!! I think $45k is low for just about any car you mentioned. Keep in mind you want to buy one in pretty good condition, otherwise you're going to walk into a nightmare. The only exception might be the Porsche. Then again, pristine examples of 1989 Turbo Cabs have exceeded the $50k range. Porsches 911 (930) are great value for the buck. Get either the '83-'86 so you get the pre-cat power. Or the '89 because it was the last year of production and it also had the 5 spd instead of the 4spd. The Jalpa might get you in the range, but the service and parts will really get you. Just my 2 cents. | ||
| Jason Wesoky (Wesokyjb)
New member Username: Wesokyjb Post Number: 39 Registered: 1-2003 |
I'm losing the ability to make decisions. The more I look around, the more options I give myself. I love the speed and handling of new cars, but love the touch of class and nostalgia of a classic. I'd appreciate your thoughts on which of the following to purchase, with focus on appreciation v. depreciation; high v. low mainetnance costs; and bang for the buck: a) 330 2+2 series II b) Lambo Jalpa c) 348 (any variation) d) 250 GTE (may require an extra $5k) e) Mondial T f) Porsche 911 Turbo Carbio (late 80's model) g) 250 PF Coupe (may require an extra $5-10k) h) 365 GT 2+2 I'm also intrigued by the CAV GT40 turnkey car (although it's a little more expensive). Love the GT40, but will never be able to afford a real one. TIA. |