| Author | Message | ||
| Jeffrey Caspar (Jcaspar1)
Junior Member Username: Jcaspar1 Post Number: 90 Registered: 5-2002 |
Thought so. Must have sounded great! | ||
| Gary Reed (Gary_reed)
New member Username: Gary_reed Post Number: 39 Registered: 2-2002 |
Ghostrider, My QV has a Tubi with stainless steel test pipes and a K&N airfilter. It SCREAMS!  | ||
| Ghostrider (Threefivefive)
Junior Member Username: Threefivefive Post Number: 106 Registered: 8-2002 |
God damn Gary!! That's a sweet sound. What exhaust are you running? | ||
| Gary Reed (Gary_reed)
New member Username: Gary_reed Post Number: 37 Registered: 2-2002 |
Jeffrey, The point was to have some fun, make some noise and take some pics/videos! It was a Ferrari Club dyno day and quite a few of us wound the cars up through all five or six gears -after- doing the 1:1 gearing for the horsepower/torque tests. The sounds were really wailing through the air! Here's my car cranked up to 8K rpm in -all- five gears on the dyno: http://home.attbi.com/~garyreed3/308qv.wav | ||
| Mike Procopio (Pupz308)
Junior Member Username: Pupz308 Post Number: 191 Registered: 10-2002 |
What? | ||
| Kelly (Tifosi1)
Member Username: Tifosi1 Post Number: 576 Registered: 2-2002 |
For the guys who have received e-mails to shut up about this post, I am truly sorry. For the low-lifes sending the e-mails, why don't you get back under the rock you came from. My 2 cents. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 2899 Registered: 8-2002 |
Kelly... Are those two photos the same exact photo, just rescanned and reposted...? i'm not here to bust chops, i think everyone knows that, by now... But i need to ask, 'cause things like this intrigue me and i've heard conflicting information on this subject... | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 786 Registered: 10-2001 |
You know, after I typed that I started realizing it was a little silly. I was really just thinking you could go 'faster' on a dyno than on a street, but of course the rpm's at a given speed in a given gear will be the same. | ||
| Bart Duesler (The_bart)
New member Username: The_bart Post Number: 22 Registered: 1-2003 |
Me, I have only driven my 550 at 150 mph passing a STS Cadillac on I-15 going to Las Vegas. By the way, fire truck Iraq. | ||
| Wade Nunez(FortuneMotors) (308nut)
Junior Member Username: 308nut Post Number: 172 Registered: 7-2002 |
Ok I will back up what John has said, I know as much as him. For you law guys too na na na na boo boo Wade | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 271 Registered: 11-2002 |
Ken, I'm confused with this comment:
RPM is directly related to speed of the driving wheels ... so other than tyre diameter changing due to wheel rpm and load, etc. the speed recorded should be the same as on the road. But the big difference is the poor little motor will not be able to push the air resistance and thus make those rpm's in the real world on a road. I think that is actually what you meant but your fingers walked a different path Pete | ||
| Jeffrey Caspar (Jcaspar1)
Junior Member Username: Jcaspar1 Post Number: 87 Registered: 5-2002 |
Question on the 512TR run. What was the point of running it on the dyno in top gear other than the photo? Dyno runs are most accurate in which ever gear gives you closest to 1:1 ratio, usually 4th. Also, I suspect a VW Beetle with the right gearing could do 200 mph on a dyno. It doesn't take much HP to do 200 with no wind resistance! | ||
| Kelly (Tifosi1)
Member Username: Tifosi1 Post Number: 573 Registered: 2-2002 |
Ok, I scanned it back in and hopefully you can see the green highway sign off in the distance right above the steering whell.  | ||
| Gary Reed (Gary_reed)
New member Username: Gary_reed Post Number: 31 Registered: 2-2002 |
Mark Moon, The '92 512TR rear wheel horsepower rating was 371. I can't remember what brand of ECU chips he has installed. Gary | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 781 Registered: 10-2001 |
Air resistance is a big part of what keeps a car from going faster. On a dyno, you'll read faster on the speedo at lower RPM's than on the street. | ||
| Bernd Beitz (Rubber)
New member Username: Rubber Post Number: 4 Registered: 2-2003 |
Thanks to the two little turbos in the exhaust the P-cars won't let my 355 spider (topspeed on speedo around 186 miles) any chance. I simply try to ignore them. BTW kilometer x 0.622 = miles Photo coutesy of rennteam.com, try also: http://www.berndfuhrmann.de/p911vmax.htm  | ||
| Jaime Torres (Chevarri)
New member Username: Chevarri Post Number: 30 Registered: 1-2003 |
Modenas go 192, while spyders go 189. 189 is not bad for a convt! | ||
| Terry (Dogue)
Member Username: Dogue Post Number: 272 Registered: 9-2001 |
I have never seen a 575 gauge cluster, but I know it has the tach in the center, but does not have aluminum detail. Another way is that the redline on this car is 8500 which is a 360 the 575 redlines at 7250 (I believe). | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 2858 Registered: 8-2002 |
Cool, thanks, Terry... | ||
| Terry (Dogue)
Member Username: Dogue Post Number: 271 Registered: 9-2001 |
DES, It is the aluminum around the gauge cluster. Also having the tach in the center is a 360ism. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 2857 Registered: 8-2002 |
How are you guys able to tell that this is a 360...? Is it the steering wheel...? | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 871 Registered: 1-2002 |
Yes, it was Bill Harrah's personal Daytona, with Nevada license plate that said simply "-H-", and I believe it was tested in Nevada near where Harrah's ranch was. At the time, and for quite a while after, it was the fastest recorded speed for a street car in the world!  | ||
| EFWUN (Efwun)
Junior Member Username: Efwun Post Number: 209 Registered: 2-2003 |
Sorry, it was the first road test of the Daytona; I remember it to this day. | ||
| EFWUN (Efwun)
Junior Member Username: Efwun Post Number: 208 Registered: 2-2003 |
Road and Track, circa 1971. Great pic, with countryside out the window blurring past! | ||
| Anthony_Ferrari (Anthony_ferrari)
Junior Member Username: Anthony_ferrari Post Number: 209 Registered: 11-2002 |
wm hart (Whart): "The best one of this type is still the pic of Dean Batchelor driving the daytona with the gauges nearly pegged." Does anyone have this pic or know where I can find it? | ||
| EFWUN (Efwun)
Junior Member Username: Efwun Post Number: 191 Registered: 2-2003 |
Do the math, fellas. The 360 is redline limited to about 173 plus a couple of percent for very modest tire growth. The speedometers are optimistic, in the case of the 550, an example showed 208 while tripping the laser and GPS at 194. Finally, where's the blurred road outside? | ||
| Paul Wehmer (Pwehmer)
Junior Member Username: Pwehmer Post Number: 103 Registered: 10-2002 |
Sure- it's a fake. We're all here just to BS and have fun. After all - What is the Internet? 10% Truth 50% BS 40% Porn | ||
| Mark Moon (Enzomoon)
Junior Member Username: Enzomoon Post Number: 63 Registered: 4-2002 |
Gary Reed: I am curious to know what hp figures the 512TR pulled? Also, what type of chips did your friend have in the car? Thanks! | ||
| john w. houghtaling, II (Johnhoughtaling)
Junior Member Username: Johnhoughtaling Post Number: 90 Registered: 11-2002 |
JRK: Like I said, its fake. Can you prove otherwise? | ||
| J R K (Kenyon)
Junior Member Username: Kenyon Post Number: 219 Registered: 10-2002 |
Guys, I have a Police, Camera, Action video at home that shows a japanese owner of F40 in Japan reaching 205 mph on a dual carriage way. he filmed it himself with an on board camera attached to the passenger headrest. He produced the video as mass and sold it. The Police saw the video and prosecuted him doing 205 mph in the day time. | ||
| john w. houghtaling, II (Johnhoughtaling)
Junior Member Username: Johnhoughtaling Post Number: 89 Registered: 11-2002 |
For all of you doubters out there. Believe it or not the picture of the 360 is real. I saw the negatives. It took the person 4 separate runs, trying three separate cameras to get it right. I saw all of the messed up photos before this one. Eventually a camera with a manual focus was used. No one would ride him, so he had to do it himself. He had to hold the steering wheel with his knees, hold the camera with two hands, focus it while looking through the lense, grap the wheel again with one hand and take the photo with the other. It is NOT on a dyno, it is on a road outside of New Orleans, at night, with one crazy buddy. Ive been in several top seed runs in a 550, F50, and 360. What makes this possible is the amazing downforce of these Ferraris. My brother tried it in a new 996 TT, against this 360, and reported the P car was down right scary and totally unstable past 180. The 360, well, as this guy proved, you can take you hands off the wheel at that speed. John By the way, for all of you law enforcement individuals, the people who doubted that this photo, are correct. The PHOTO IS A FAKE. Can you acutally imagine someone beliveing that a person could drive a road car, at night, with his knees and take a photo of the speedometer. NO way. Impossible. Gees you guys sure are easy. It was a fake done with a digital camera. Who could prove otherwise? | ||
| Lee Pierce (Leepierce)
New member Username: Leepierce Post Number: 40 Registered: 1-2003 |
In a rented 348 in Vegas, I was letting my camcorder hear the engine for goose-bump sessions later on. I parked at the top of an interstate on-ramp, carefully aimed the video camera toward the engine, between the seats, hit the record button, and slammed the car into gear! Down the on-ramp we went, the engine just singing, (you all know what I mean!), redlining each gear!... We must have hit the interstate doing about 110mph, and there was a like a 4-mile clearing in front of us, so I wasn't about to stop! 20 seconds or so later, my nerves gave way at 140 mph...I held the speed, grabbed the camera and swiveled it around to record this momentous event in my life. Later on I watched the tape, and I must have hit the wrong godd***** button! I missed the whole event, but in pushing the "record" button to stop the filming, I got some great footage of my jeans and the seat as the camera rolled around on the way back to the hotel. | ||
| Craig Williams (Craigw)
Junior Member Username: Craigw Post Number: 89 Registered: 4-2002 |
when we recently did a VMAX run on a 2 mile runway here in UK a lot of the Porsches were getting speedo reading that were around 5-10mph higher than their actual speed(at around 175mph) so got knows how far out F cars are. (My speedo decided to not work at all that day!) | ||
| Dennis (Bighead)
New member Username: Bighead Post Number: 41 Registered: 2-2003 |
1. Gentlemen, regarding the authenticity of photos purporting to show very high speeds: DON'T FORGET SPEEDO ERROR. Even if a 360 Modena's top speed is 189 MPH, it wouldn't surprise me to see a 360 hit 190 (or 200) MPH on the speedo. Virtually every modern speedometer has some error built-in, and invariably on the high-side. On nearly every Ferrari I've driven, the speedo has been in error from 5-15%. I use 10% high as a rule of thumb. Seriously; check it out for yourself (use one of those dumb-ass radar signs, or use a GPS, or use a good stopwatch and mile markers). 2. I've never heard of a 360 coming with speed limiters. The big three German manufacturers have a gentlemen's agreement of a top speed limit of 155 mph (250kph). BTW, Porsche never agreed to join. Some other car companies have installed speed limiters if the car came with tires rated at a lower top speed than the car, for liability reasons. Home country Japanese cars all have limiters as well. It's easy enough to remove the speed limiters from BMW/MB/Audi, though. I can't imagine that the 360 would have a speed limiter, as 189 mph, the listed top speed, is about as fast as the car can go with only 400hp and a decent amount of drag. vty, --Dennis | ||
| Matt S (F40only)
Junior Member Username: F40only Post Number: 58 Registered: 3-2003 |
Awesome pictures. I heard the first year the 360 came out there was some kind of speed limiter for the sake of aerodynamics, and 360's owners complained they were getting blown away 996 Turbo's on the autobahn, and then Ferrari removed it and this raised the top speed? Is this true? | ||
| EFWUN (Efwun)
Junior Member Username: Efwun Post Number: 178 Registered: 2-2003 |
W Hart: If you remember, the background for that R & T photo was clearly somewhere in Nevada or Arizona, not a blacked out windshield!! Oil pressure's awfully low for 8,500rpm!! | ||
| Paul Wehmer (Pwehmer)
Junior Member Username: Pwehmer Post Number: 102 Registered: 10-2002 |
The section of road Kelly refers to is a raised bridge (no chance of animals on the road) in the swamp which is nearly dead straight for 18+ miles. There are two exits on that stretch and there is very little traffic on/off- just people who fish. If someone wanted to max out this could be a place to run it late at night. Looks like about 2700 miles on the odometer. Wonder who it could be..... | ||
| Ghostrider (Threefivefive)
Junior Member Username: Threefivefive Post Number: 71 Registered: 8-2002 |
Gary, Thanks for the clarification -- I had assumed that the car had been modded, and that it was probably being dyno'd rather than run on the street. I appreciate you confirming both points. The pics a keeper!! Regards. | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 800 Registered: 12-2001 |
The best one of this type is still the pic of Dean Batchelor driving the daytona with the gauges nearly pegged. | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 395 Registered: 4-2002 |
Both the water temp (160) and the oil temp (190) are too low for this not to be on a dyno; water temp especially. Oil pressure looks low for that kind of oil temp. The TR above has temps that look right. | ||
| Kelly (Tifosi1)
Member Username: Tifosi1 Post Number: 571 Registered: 2-2002 |
Now you all know who I am and I telling you this is a real picture taken on the I-55 at night. I've seen the picturee up close and you can make out the flash hitting the exit sign for Ruddock, LA. In this picture you just can not see it in the black. but, the green sign is there. It is real. | ||
| Gary Reed (Gary_reed)
New member Username: Gary_reed Post Number: 30 Registered: 2-2002 |
Ghostrider, The 512TR photo is indeed REAL. It was taken at our club's dyno day in Seattle. I sat in the passenger seat and took the photo. The cars owner took it up beyond the normal redline (he has performance "chips")and pegged the speedo. I took the photo as the revs were on the way when he put the car in neutral. Gary | ||
| Barney Guzzo (Trinacria)
Junior Member Username: Trinacria Post Number: 170 Registered: 8-2002 |
If the first picture was real - WHO took the photo? | ||
| Ghostrider (Threefivefive)
Junior Member Username: Threefivefive Post Number: 65 Registered: 8-2002 |
Not to disrespect, but the fact that you can't see anything out the front suggests either a photoshop or a dyno for the first pic. Agree with the assessment on the second pic too; can't believe the 512TR is at full speed, and yet the tach is commensurate with it -- seems doubtful (or modified). Regards. | ||
| Gary Reed (Gary_reed)
New member Username: Gary_reed Post Number: 29 Registered: 2-2002 |
Yep, it's a friend's 512TR on a dyno. The rpm's were on the way down when I snapped the photo from the passenger seat. We recently had a 550 Maranello on the dyno which redlined(rev limiter)at 7,600rpm in 6th gear and showed 212MPH on the speedo! Gary | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 859 Registered: 1-2002 |
Boy, Kelly, that looks more like either Photoshop or Dyno Days to me...especially considering the flash from the camera on the steering wheel & dashboard. Kinda tough to operate a camera when you are doing 190 on the road, what with bumps, wind buffeting, etc... | ||
| Paul Wehmer (Pwehmer)
Junior Member Username: Pwehmer Post Number: 101 Registered: 10-2002 |
Looks like the tach on the 512 is doing about 6,000 RPM but the speedo is reading 200+. Must be special gearing and a very modified motor to do that. | ||
| Dave Mills (360dave)
Junior Member Username: 360dave Post Number: 80 Registered: 1-2002 |
These kind of look like pictures taken on a dyno... They'd be more believable if they showed a bit out the front window. Dave | ||
| alberto bavai (Abavai)
Junior Member Username: Abavai Post Number: 62 Registered: 10-2002 |
More pics please!!!!!!! | ||
| Gary Reed (Gary_reed)
New member Username: Gary_reed Post Number: 28 Registered: 2-2002 |
Here's a faster one, 512TR. Gary  | ||
| Paul Wehmer (Pwehmer)
Junior Member Username: Pwehmer Post Number: 100 Registered: 10-2002 |
If it is real someone has lots of open road, guts, and a good lawyer if they get caught! 360 is said to do 189 mph. http://www.allcars.org/car.html?id=73 Neat how the water temp hasn't even move from 170-180 F. | ||
| Michael Yip (Mightyslash)
Junior Member Username: Mightyslash Post Number: 150 Registered: 4-2002 |
I didnt know a 360 could do 190...Is it fake? | ||
| Peter Cyr (Pete04222)
New member Username: Pete04222 Post Number: 30 Registered: 6-2002 |
The speedo on my '79 308 goes up to 80 mph. Let me tell you what, I have buried that sucker!! I went off the scale on my car Bubba! I see you couldn't bury your speedo! All jokes aside, that is impressive. I have opened mine up once and I estimate somewhere around 140 (just by tach). I doubt I would have had the balls to take the photo. | ||
| David Stoeppelwerth (Racerdj)
New member Username: Racerdj Post Number: 33 Registered: 1-2003 |
Not me-Although I had a 1991 ZR1 up to 177 before I hit a piece of truck tire retread and whiped out the car. It happened Feb 11 1991 and haven't seen anything north of 120 except in My 1997 Formula Atlantic at Sebring, Road America and Watkins Glenn..Where did this take place and were you in 5th? | ||
| Kelly (Tifosi1)
Member Username: Tifosi1 Post Number: 570 Registered: 2-2002 |
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