| Author | Message | ||
| J R K (Kenyon)
Member Username: Kenyon Post Number: 260 Registered: 10-2002 |
The UKFOC has a non member section and members section. I am a full member with UKFOC. The information that I copied from the UKFOC site was from the non-members section. The member section has a forum but not very active. This is the best site for a forum. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 3103 Registered: 9-2001 |
In the US the FCA and FOC chat sites are free - I think, anyone can join. As I said before I think it is great that Bill B has no problems posting here and helping people out while at the same time heading up FCA's tech website. Good for him | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 3102 Registered: 9-2001 |
what types of things did you post - also do you have to pay for their website seperately or is it included in the membership - I just hope things like this and the driving fast and mens club issues that Cali section has had doesn't cause Rob any unwanted attention | ||
| Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
Member Username: Enjoythemusic Post Number: 288 Registered: 4-2002 |
Hi Everyone, We must remember that by not protecting your information you can set a "precedence" of open information free to use by anyone. As such, if a company does not enforce things then they set a chain of events that COULD BE considered "the norm" (free usage of their information without providing credit/acknowledgement). As such, people COULD then POSSIBLY use ANY content as a precedence was set. My apologies to TRUE lawyers who will hopefully chime in here. In the end it seems silly... until you yourself suffer from intellectual theft. Enjoy the Drive, Steven R. Rochlin | ||
| Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
Member Username: Vwalfa4re Post Number: 946 Registered: 5-2001 |
Let's start doing it. Maybe well need their help one day. | ||
| Allen Cook (Alcook62)
Junior Member Username: Alcook62 Post Number: 72 Registered: 3-2002 |
The email from UKFOC was not asking for anything out of line. "Acknowledgement of source" is a reasonable request, and was requested in a most nonconfrontational manner. | ||
| Tillman Strahan (Tillman)
Member Username: Tillman Post Number: 489 Registered: 11-2001 |
Ok, I went back and looked at your posts. Which ones are they complaining about? I didn't really see anything. Remember, basic facts like "There were 702 spot welds in the muffler bearing on a 348 Challenge" or a calendar of events cannot be copyrighted (here, at least). Of course, I am not a copyright lawyer, but I did once take a class on it  | ||
| Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
Member Username: Vwalfa4re Post Number: 942 Registered: 5-2001 |
I don't guess it's that big of a deal. He is being nice and doesn't want money. I'll do it if it means everybody can stay friends | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 4142 Registered: 5-2001 |
Don't know where the problem should be, since you did not gain from using their material. But if all they want is the acknowledgement give it to them. Quit frankly I don't see why one gets bend out of shape over such issues. Supposely the FOC or FCA and all the other "clubs" are in it for fun and have non-paying positions. It is all good and all what we have enrolled for in the first place. Fun with cars. | ||
| Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
Member Username: Enjoythemusic Post Number: 285 Registered: 4-2002 |
Agreed with Bill, Dave what is the problem kind sir? Have enjoyed wonderful service and parts delivered from our friends on the other side of the pond (UKFOC). Enjoy the Drive (oh, about 100 miles later today for fun), Steven "keep the fluids spinning" Rochlin | ||
| Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
Member Username: Wsawyer Post Number: 733 Registered: 2-2002 |
Dave: What attitude? His tone was pleasant and as non-confrontational as possible. Who has the attitude here? | ||
| Dave Penhale (Dapper)
Member Username: Dapper Post Number: 590 Registered: 4-2002 |
Christian UKFOC can go and stick his site where the sun doesnt shine IMHO. Its attitudes like that that encourage me to stay away from their site! | ||
| Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
Member Username: Enjoythemusic Post Number: 284 Registered: 4-2002 |
Hi, As a photojournalist, whatever is written within the Enjoy the Music.com website is covered by a copyright. As such one MUST ask for proper acknowledgement if we agree to allow said party(s) to reprint text or photos(s) from our website. There are times that reprint permission has been flatly denied due to using said content out of context. It was nice of Christian to allow you permission and only ask for acknowledgement. Worst case scenario would have been a lawyer calling you... Enjoy the Drive, Steven R. Rochlin | ||
| J R K (Kenyon)
Member Username: Kenyon Post Number: 258 Registered: 10-2002 |
Gordo, I agree with you. I did not know that I had to get acknowledgement from UKFOC. My mistake I. I have only taken information from the non-members section of the UKFOC sitenot from the members areas. | ||
| J R K (Kenyon)
Member Username: Kenyon Post Number: 257 Registered: 10-2002 |
Gordo, I agree with you. I did not know that I had to get acknowledgement from UKFOC. My mistake I. | ||
| Gordo A. (Gordo)
New member Username: Gordo Post Number: 18 Registered: 2-2003 |
JRK, I suppose if all you have to do is get an acknowledgement then you can use it, maybe it isnt so bad. I must admit to not renewing my UKFOC this year as one of the KEY items I had felt lacked was the owners chat. Very little traffic and few topics of interest. Clearly UKFOC cannot be unhappy if you are giving them exposure and perhaps by simply seeking an acknowledgment as a common courtesy they realise posting of their items here on FerrariChat is damn good press for them. I am sure they would kill for the traffic hitting this site and the quality contained within. (hope this one stays a free site!) | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 838 Registered: 12-2001 |
JRK: There is a difference between "information" and copyrighted expression. If the latter, he has every right to demand credit, if not to ask you to refrain from copying and reposting, unless the excerpts are small quotes used for illustrative purposes (eg "fair use" under US law, so-called "fair comment" under UK law), which would be excused infringement.And yes, you are right:- this is no different in some ways than the battle over file sharing music or other content. | ||
| 89TCab (Jmg)
Member Username: Jmg Post Number: 411 Registered: 9-2001 |
If you are cutting and pasting, seems like a reasonable request to me. | ||
| john (Johnwto)
Junior Member Username: Johnwto Post Number: 69 Registered: 6-2002 |
i agree with christian. he is only asking for an acknowledgment of where the information came from | ||
| J R K (Kenyon)
Junior Member Username: Kenyon Post Number: 250 Registered: 10-2002 |
To all concerned, I have recieved this e-mail from the UK Ferrari Owners Club regarding me distributing of general Ferrari information to this site for Ferrarichat.com members to read. I wish to know your comments on this matter. Should general Ferrari information be available to all Ferrari enthusiasts. I feel deeply sadden that everything has a price in money terms. Please see E-mail below. Justin, I'm always pleased when the material that we post on our Club's website is of interest to a wider audience, but we would really appreciate an acknowledgement when items are transferred to Ferrarichat.com. The Club's website is an important revenue earner for the Club and this benefits the Club members. It's better if we attract Ferrari enthusiasts to our own site rather than copy & paste items onto other sites. I hope you will agree with me. kind regards, Christian UKFOC |