| Author | Message | ||
| Frederick Klorczyk (Fjk)
Junior Member Username: Fjk Post Number: 53 Registered: 12-2001 |
They are options, so what? You want it, buy it; you don't want it, don't buy it. They will paint your car to sample too but I didn't order puke green. They have sunroofs as well on the 360's. Nice to have choices and not be forced to take what they give you. Ever been seriously lost in a not so great place? Wonder how many people have lost their lives by taking the wrong street in an expensive car? Maybe nav systems can help prevent that. By the way, as far as accuracy goes, OnStar can tell you what intersection you were parked at when you locked your keys in your Suburban. Pretty dead nuts accurate and far better than 200 feet plus or minus. As far as sound systems, alot of people have made alot of money upgrading Ferrari systems - why not let Ferrari get some of the action instead of Ultrasmith and McIntosh. I wouldn't mind seeing accelerometers placed to log G forces during a lap or on a nice road. Finally, I do not see how improved function makes the car less of a Ferrari as long as the basic Ferrari charter is somewhat maintained. Having a cupholder is alot better than having someone spill a can of Diet Coke in your $200,000^ car, ain't it? | ||
| martin J weiner,M.D. (Mw360)
Member Username: Mw360 Post Number: 370 Registered: 5-2001 |
There you go again Frank.Just can't help but knock the 360 at any opportunity (just as I can't resist pointing it out.) Give it a rest ,Frank !! | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 716 Registered: 6-2001 |
I know what jim is saying. There was one in a volvo S80 my family rented. It was so convient. The only problem was that for my grandfathers suprise birthday party in west palm beach (i live in NY) it took us to the old, burned down resturant, not the new one down the street. We were a little nervous, but still made it there in time. | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 313 Registered: 2-2001 |
I can't wait until Ferrari make a cellphone with a handless feature as an option. That would be great, so I don't have to fumble around the car for my phone. Also, cruise control with radar like the Mercedes so I dont have to continously brake and accellerate on the highway. Two cupholders would be nice, so I dont have to put my little bottle of water between my knees. PLEASE!!!!! Ernesto | ||
| Brian Kennedy (Kennedy)
New member Username: Kennedy Post Number: 42 Registered: 3-2002 |
Luigi, if it reduces performance, I agree. To me Formula 1 defines the ultimate Ferrari... and I own a 360 because its as close to F1 as I can reasonably get in a street car. Now look at all the gadgetry on the F1 steering wheel and tell me that gadgetry is not appropriate on a Ferrari! What I'd love to see as an option in addition to the Nav System, is a data acquisition system that takes all those inputs the Nav System already gets and feeds it through data port into a computer allowing you to record and analyze runs. That would be sweet... that would be serious gadgetry... and that would be very F1-like. Just what I want from a Ferrari! | ||
| Luigi Gatti (Luigi)
New member Username: Luigi Post Number: 40 Registered: 10-2001 |
Willis, don't get me wrong, I love the 360 as it is, proof of this is that I'm going to purchase one in a short while. What I don't like is the trend that is developing, in the: more gadgets, more luxury direction. I'm worried about where it could lead us. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 1824 Registered: 5-2001 |
I have tried the GPS in a Mercedes S I had a s a rent a car in Frankfurt Germany last year. I know the city in and out and it confused the living crap out of me as well as distracted me a whole lot. Trying to input the information req. a PhD | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 502 Registered: 9-2001 |
I think this debate shows that Ferrari was right to make these things "options" | ||
| Jim Veres (Jimveres)
New member Username: Jimveres Post Number: 2 Registered: 3-2002 |
After having a GPS on our Infiniti for about a year, I'm sold on them. It is great being able to type in an address and have the GPS direct you there. I was sold enough on them to buy the Pocket CoPilot unit. This unit slips onto an IPAQ turning the IPAQ into a GPS. I'd have preferred to have a GPS come with the car, but it wasn't an option when I bought. Jim V. | ||
| Martin (Miami348ts)
Intermediate Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 1811 Registered: 5-2001 |
...will they pre-program all Ferrari Service Stations in the GPS. Press one botton and it tells you where your closest service is? Who needs GPS in a Ferrari? "I can't find my way to Ocean Drive!" | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 618 Registered: 8-2001 |
What is so wrong with adding a little more utility to a Ferrari? It's not like the performance of modern F-cars are suffering as a result. New Ferraris still look and sound like Ferraris. They cannot be mistaken for anything else. Yes, the 360 Modena can carry golf clubs and have good luggage space. But what is this complaint about its on-track performance? The 360 Modena is the 2001 N-GT Champ in FIA GT racing. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2235 Registered: 2-2001 |
You end up with a Porsche, alright maybe not a GT2.  | ||
| Luigi Gatti (Luigi)
New member Username: Luigi Post Number: 38 Registered: 10-2001 |
I agree with Bret on this one, IMO a Ferrari shouldn't get too civilised, I started worring a bit when they switched from mid to front engine for the Maranello. I got more worried when I saw that upon the introduction of the Modena more emphasis was given to the fact that it could carry a golf bag than to the on-track performance. Now they want to put GPS inside a Ferrari! If I want a Mercedes or an M5 I buy these cars not a Ferrari.Ferraris shouldn't be too civilised and cossetting, what sets them apart is the sense that you're driving something different, something special, the sense of occasion. If you remove that feeling, in a quest for perfection, what do you end up with? | ||
| Brian Kennedy (Kennedy)
New member Username: Kennedy Post Number: 41 Registered: 3-2002 |
First, the inaccuracy introduced by the military is not constantly fluctuating... thus, for relative distances, the GPS is very precise, just somewhat inaccurate. My nav systems will occasionally get confused, but once they re-adjust, they are dead-on... within a few feet. Second, the military stopped distorting the signal some time ago. Why? Because they themselves use so many commercial units because they are so much cheaper. How is it useful on the track? Obviously not for guidance... keep your eyes on the track. Rather, it is useful for recording data. Based on GPS, scrambled or not, you can very accurately compute your speed without hooking into the wheel sensors; you can put in as many segment times as you want to and be able to see how you improve each lap. Couple that with data from forward and lateral accelerometers and you can quickly analyze a whole lot about your driving. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2232 Registered: 2-2001 |
I've never hit a dirt road in either the Jeep or the Ferrari when just driving around, although I do live in NJ which may have slightly less. You can always turn around anyways. How can a GPS help on a track? The military/gov't regulates consumer GPS units and they can't be more accurate than being able to put you in a 200' circle of where you want to go. If they were dead accurate, as are the military units, they would be much to easy to rig into various guidance systems for weapons. | ||
| Brian Kennedy (Kennedy)
New member Username: Kennedy Post Number: 40 Registered: 3-2002 |
Having maps in your car is incompatible with high-performance driving... maps get loose and fly around the cabin under high-G's... GPS's don't. GPS's coupled with accelerometers, in fact, make excellent data acquisition devices for analyzing your on-track performance... so, a GPS is very appropriate on-board a Ferrari. (Of course, I am sure their system doesn't have a data port... that would be too much to ask for.) As for Bret's comment, consider... you're cruising down a wonderfully twisty road when suddenly... $#it!... a portion of the road is torn up and they have you routed around through a dirt path that is rutted up following recent rain. Nope, not doing that to my Ferrari... but how the hell do I get where I am going? All of these roads look like they may turn to dirt; not sure which might get through; I sure don't want to have to go all the way back and over to the boring highway; and I'd rather find a road that's nice and twisty, to continue the fun. Damn! I need a GPS! (BTDT) I have a GPS in all my cars... except my Ferrari... though I will likely be putting in a GPS-based data acquisition system soon. I have often found much more fun ways to get where I am going via a Nav System; and I take odd ball paths with less anxiety because I know if it ends up a bad choice, I can quickly find a new route. Finally, since it keeps you constantly updated on exactly how far away that next exit/turn is, you can stick to the left lane at speed for as long as possible (so, I even use it when going to places that I know how to get there). | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Intermediate Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 2223 Registered: 2-2001 |
The GPS is cool and all....on a Mercedes. What fun would it be exploring roads if you never got lost, or that kind of lost, like if this road doesn't lead where I think it does we're screwed. But the road always does, so forget the GPS. How lost can you get anyways? It's not like you're driving in the city. Can you really get lost on country roads? Just head in a compass direction and you're gonna hit something. I thought Ferraris were about cars, going fast, sound. I'm almost ashamed to have the A/C still in the 308, but can't bare to take it out because of those 100 degree days in the summer when you have a girl with you or someone not derranged in their fascination with cars. | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 309 Registered: 2-2001 |
Oh God, I really hope they dont put a fake eggcrage center grill on the 360, just for the sake of doing it. EVERYTHING on the 360 is functional, you can leave the fake scoops and grills for other cars. Putting in a grill just for history's sake is pretty pathetic. It was great when they were FUNCTIONAL... but pretty reduntant when you dont need it. I like the nostrils on my 360. Ernesto | ||
| Tino (Bboxer)
Junior Member Username: Bboxer Post Number: 72 Registered: 8-2001 |
Zemolo's gone nuts ! On Thursday, they're having the big store opening in Maranello with Shoey and Barichello in attendance. Everything is prancing including silk sheets and CF toasters. There are marketing people from Victorias's Secret (360 bra option) and Tempax (575M dispenser option) scheduled to meet with him for discussions.(we're still in April) | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 778 Registered: 9-2001 |
When they offer an egg crate style front grill as an option I'm going on the list. Until then, they can keep the two nostril Dino. | ||
| Nicholas Wood (Nick_wood)
New member Username: Nick_wood Post Number: 26 Registered: 3-2002 |
I just received a fax from Ferrari North America and here are the details .. Radio Havigation System. used on 575M and 360 "This system is supplied in Lieu of the standard in dash radio unit and includes a single radio unit, single CD player and navigation system. Equipped with a GPS antenna that is installed internally and not visible, the system is able to memorize a set route in order to enable listening to audio/CD during navigation. The navigation is dynamic, characterized by automatic calibration carried out by the the on board computer (trip computer button) which provides the main data for the route (ETA, remaining distance, distance travelled, average speed and position) The vocal generator provides vocal navigation instructions in addition to the pictographs on the high definition display. The recent and preferred destinations can be memorized enabling simple and immeadiate use." Price is $2256 The hi-Fi, $1612 shows a picture of a boxed subwoofer between the seats installed on the central area of the rear bench enclosed in leather. Different amplifier with 4 channels installed under the dash in a leather box, different speakers | ||
| Viken Bedrossian (Vikenb)
Junior Member Username: Vikenb Post Number: 148 Registered: 5-2001 |
Unless your dealer is mistaken between the 360 and the Maserati, chances are this GPS is within the head unit. Becker is selling the Traffic Pro in-dash CD with a navigation built-in. The subwoofer, however, might have to go in front of the engine access panel.  | ||
| David Bob� Jr. (Supraoz)
Junior Member Username: Supraoz Post Number: 74 Registered: 9-2001 |
Craig, that would be something! | ||
| Craig Dewey (Craigfl)
Member Username: Craigfl Post Number: 339 Registered: 1-2001 |
I hope the GPS interfaces with the Valentine One so you can see where "everyone" is on the screen..... | ||
| Nicholas Wood (Nick_wood)
New member Username: Nick_wood Post Number: 25 Registered: 3-2002 |
I will call about the Nav and get details Nick | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 614 Registered: 8-2001 |
Nav system is the only option I would add. If you like exploring for new roads to play on, a Nav system would be helpful in getting you there and back safely especially if you drive alone. Much better than fumbling with paper maps or arguing with your navigator. I'd like to see a picture of the nav system. Who makes it? Forget about the improved stereo. I hardly ever turn mine on as it is. | ||
| Ernesto Sgroi (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 308 Registered: 2-2001 |
Well, I never though I would live to see the day Ferrari put a NAV system on their cars. What's next, cruise control, cup holders, and SUVs? Ernesto | ||
| Nicholas Wood (Nick_wood)
New member Username: Nick_wood Post Number: 24 Registered: 3-2002 |
Ah...rear seats...I was thinking of my Mini Cooper S....what a machine. I am not kidding...a subwoofer and GPS installed as an option by Ferrari... 360 going soft? | ||
| Andrew (Mrrou)
New member Username: Mrrou Post Number: 30 Registered: 3-2002 |
wow never knew trhe 360 had rear seats..maybe im wrong.. | ||
| Ernesto Sgroi (T88power)
Member Username: T88power Post Number: 306 Registered: 2-2001 |
I hope to GOD you are kidding... Ernesto | ||
| Nicholas Wood (Nick_wood)
New member Username: Nick_wood Post Number: 23 Registered: 3-2002 |
Just received a call from my dealer asking me if I would like to include the following new factory options on my June 02 360 1. GPS system 2. Improved sound system including speakers and a subwoofer box inbetween the rear seats Has anyone seen pictures? Nick by the way I declined both as I do not think the 360 is the right car for either |