| Author | Message | ||
| EFWUN (Efwun)
Member Username: Efwun Post Number: 421 Registered: 2-2003 |
Cool, Jim, I should have figured you knew better! | ||
| Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
Member Username: Wsawyer Post Number: 749 Registered: 2-2002 |
Frank is gonna be pissed!  | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 907 Registered: 10-2002 |
Nope I was right. At the end of 62 a 12 was stuffed into a 246SP for testing at Monza. This was John Surtees first drive in a sports Ferrari. He broke the lap record which had been held by Ginther. (page 142 Ferrari Fitzgerald/Merritt) THIS PROVES THERE WERE V-12 DINOS MADE BY FERRARI!!!!!!! | ||
| Bill Sawyer (Wsawyer)
Member Username: Wsawyer Post Number: 746 Registered: 2-2002 |
You may be thinking of the 206 SP, the Dino sports racer that closely resembles a 3/4 scale P3/4. It had a 2.0 liter 6 cyl. engine. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 906 Registered: 10-2002 |
I think the 246SP was the 250P prototype. I'll check tonight. Best Jim | ||
| EFWUN (Efwun)
Member Username: Efwun Post Number: 416 Registered: 2-2003 |
I'm thinking the 246SP was not a V-12 car? Earliest mid-engine V-12 would be the 275P, no? | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 905 Registered: 10-2002 |
Dave Yes but it was before the 512. Andy 246SP 1961 (Wayne?) | ||
| DaveE (Banzaiboxr)
Junior Member Username: Banzaiboxr Post Number: 79 Registered: 8-2002 |
I think the he meant the first Flat-Horizontaly opposed 12 cylinder production road car. | ||
| DaveE (Banzaiboxr)
Junior Member Username: Banzaiboxr Post Number: 76 Registered: 8-2002 |
Isn't the 365 a Boxer??? | ||
| Andy Falsetta (Tuttebenne)
New member Username: Tuttebenne Post Number: 38 Registered: 3-2003 |
I'll let the "needle in the arm" fanatics correct me but the first mid engine V12 that comes to MY alledged mind is the 250/275LM. That car has to be my all time favorite road car. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 904 Registered: 10-2002 |
There were many mid engine Ferrari 12 cylinder cars before the 512BB. The 365BB for example... | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 462 Registered: 4-2002 |
Dr. I. M. Ibrahim (Coachi) "the first rear engined 12 cylinder Ferrari" Mid engined--the engine is not behind the rear axel it is in front of the rear axel--mid engined! | ||
| Modified348ts (Modman)
Member Username: Modman Post Number: 536 Registered: 11-2001 |
Frank, did I hear you are going to remove the rubber bumper? that's just wrong, it'll change the originality of the car, the bumper looks good on the car, that's bastardizing it. Frank, I'm just messing with ya but I am surprised you would change the looks of an original car. Also tint your whole car 5% so no one will see you, you might get flamed if someone sees you and It'll keep the heat down, had to throw that one in too. By the way did you find a solution to your solar heat problems? | ||
| Andy Falsetta (Tuttebenne)
New member Username: Tuttebenne Post Number: 23 Registered: 3-2003 |
James Selevan - thanks for the comment on airflow. I have always loved these cars with their long nose and wide stance. Best wishes on your '83 BBi. One of my dream cars is a BBLM. | ||
| Dr. I. M. Ibrahim (Coachi)
Junior Member Username: Coachi Post Number: 237 Registered: 5-2002 |
the main thing about selling or buying a boxer or any othercar is to find someone willingto sell you the car you want at the price you are willing to pay. A boxer may be worth only 70,000 in excellent condition, but if someone owns one and wants 90,000; and can afford to hold on to it, then he is not going to sell it for 70,000. I remember being offered 275,000 for mine back in 1989...which was a tidy profit... did not want to sell it, and didn't/ Some may not likeBoxers, but they are hoistorical (the first rear engined 12 cylinder Ferrari) there aren't many of them, and they are great to drive. So if you want to sell your car, now is not the time, as the war is not the most suitable time to sell. Unless you are ina large metropolitan area, it is hard to advertize, despite FML and other Ferrari publications. When youwant one, like Frank did, you go find it. | ||
| EFWUN (Efwun)
Member Username: Efwun Post Number: 398 Registered: 2-2003 |
WHart, I can only imagine that it was the stuff nightmares are made of. I have often felt (as you said) paranoid driving my Ferraris. Carrying (as the Coneheads would say) mass quantities of Yayho and driving 600 miles under the influence must have been indescribably unpleasant. He was a troubled guy with a sweet heart who had tons of stuff (daytona, boxer, jag xk120, horses, 15acres in Woodbury) and when he left Long Island, I had to loan him money to pay the movers and have a month worth of food in his new home. | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 862 Registered: 12-2001 |
EFWUN: I am always a bit "paranoid" when driving high performance cars on the road to begin with, in the sense of being alert to hazards, obstacles, cops, goofy drivers, etc. I couldn't even imagine driving a ferrari carrying illicit drugs, let alone being under the influence of same whilst carrying said articles. The stuff of nightmares. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2089 Registered: 9-2001 |
I drove my Boxer from Springfield, Ohio to Atlanta moments after I traded my 348 for it with no problems whatsoever. I really got to know about the car in that some 650 mile trip. EFWUN, in the south I have heard of it as "nose candy" | ||
| EFWUN (Efwun)
Member Username: Efwun Post Number: 394 Registered: 2-2003 |
I had a close friend who used to take long, impromptu road trips (Montreal, Palm Beach, etc) in a 512BBi. Unfortunately (and no aspersions toward WHART), his trips were motivated by Bolivian marching powder. He never got stuck, at least as a result of the car! | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 3145 Registered: 9-2001 |
Whart I always think of that story you tell about just jumpin the in the boxer on the spur of the moment and heading down I 95 to Florida - calling your wife after you made it half way there to tell her you would not be home soon - that is a classic | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 860 Registered: 12-2001 |
Maybe i was lucky, but i bought a very sound garage queen, had the engine gone over thoroughly, replaced hoses, shocks, tires, water pump rebuilt while engine was out (i think), no cosmetic work done. Car was not cheap one to buy but at high market, and put, say 10k into getting it road worthy. It performed without a hiccup during the year or so i had it, including a drive from NYC to Fla. in the dead of winter. | ||
| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 3494 Registered: 8-2002 |
Jeff, I have a 308 has a daily driver and the 512 will be driven a lot. And 50k is NOT chump change. Matt | ||
| jeff ryerson (Atheyg)
Junior Member Username: Atheyg Post Number: 211 Registered: 8-2002 |
The Boxer is one of my favorite Ferraris, but their is a difference of the reality of owning one vs the myth if you plan on driving it more than 1500 miles a year You can try and dis the 3XX series all you want but you can at least drive them, if I rack up miles on my 328 and my motor needs a rebuild It will be done, expensive yes but not 35k+ as it is for 12 cylinder cars, I don't care how wealthy you are 35k+ is a lot of money just for a repair, which is why the so called proper 12s have very low miles on them If all you care about is looking at it and polishing it great but to me the fun of a Ferrari is driving it without paranoia of a strange new sound and the expense it will cause and knowing if their is a problem it will be fixed and the car will be on the road in a resonable period of time unless you have a 50k repair fund that is chump change to you that was found in the couch | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2088 Registered: 9-2001 |
Where does all this heat come from in the Boxer ? I have driven mine over 1200 miles since Dec 2002 and haven't noticed any excess heat so far other than the heat from the sun on your lap. But, it hasn't been over 75 degrees here yet. | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 858 Registered: 12-2001 |
Jim: i'd be hard-pressed to identify the most unreliable car i've owned. Would it be that 6.3 Benz with problematic airbag suspension, transmission difficulties, and wanky mechanical injection system? The 124 Fiat Sport that rusted inside out just as quickly as the electrical system failed (but had a wonderful 5 speed ) or the brand new Mercedes my wife had for a week, until the software went haywire, the windows went down, the lites went off, the heating system crashed, etc. in the dead of winter? Its funny, but among the various ferraris i've owned (none older than the BBi i had), i have to say that the Boxer was probably the most involving to drive. I was a bit hot, the glue holding down the rubber dead pedal literally melted in the summer and the thing stuck to my foot, and the tires sucked. But, man, what a car, aesthetically, and mechanically. It was reliable, too, (because perhaps) i drove it constantly. | ||
| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 3492 Registered: 8-2002 |
"By the way I need your stereo..." ROTFLMFAO! After Monterey! I promise. You really what that crappy thing? | ||
| DaveE (Banzaiboxr)
Junior Member Username: Banzaiboxr Post Number: 74 Registered: 8-2002 |
Matt, I don't want here your Bichin!You made the decision to buy that car and you must keep it. I know you are a wealthy Ferrari owner and BIG time Drive Organizer ......why complain? By the way I need your stereo...  | ||
| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 3488 Registered: 8-2002 |
Dave, I've got 50k in bills to show you why I don't like the boxer.... | ||
| DaveE (Banzaiboxr)
Junior Member Username: Banzaiboxr Post Number: 73 Registered: 8-2002 |
Actually I would like to hear reasons ..WHY.. Some people think the Boxers are unloved cars. Who are these people ?, are they educated ?, are they unemployed ?, Do they live in Florida?.. | ||
| James Selevan (Jselevan)
Member Username: Jselevan Post Number: 466 Registered: 6-2002 |
Andy Falsetta - no exhaust smell. Only observation is that heat exiting the radiator vent in the front bonnet runs along the top of the window (funneled by the "rain" gutter where the roof meets the window). Jim S. | ||
| Willis Huang (Willis360)
Intermediate Member Username: Willis360 Post Number: 1189 Registered: 8-2001 |
As much as I like the older Ferraris, I'd rather just hop in and DRIVE. That's one reason why I bought a 360. Fiddling with a classic Ferrari is fine when I have more time for that. | ||
| Brian Jackett (Brian_jackett)
New member Username: Brian_jackett Post Number: 36 Registered: 12-2002 |
A 348 & 355 compared to a Jap car. They are no where as reliable and as usuable as a jap car. Can you imagine a Jap car being made that every 15K miles or 3 years a �2,500 cam belt service is required with engine out. They would think it mad. Quite right and all And the running costs are still sky high, cannot beleive you are saying that a 355 is the same as a jap. I wish it was more affordable and not so touchy to own, I would enjoy it more. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 879 Registered: 10-2002 |
WM Don't tell me you miss stuffing cardboard in the radiator in the winter, defrosting the windshield by hand,feeling rain water drip on your lap, breathing carcongenous exaust? You and I are becoming our parents. Best Jim | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
Member Username: Richelson Post Number: 861 Registered: 12-2001 |
The older cars do seem to have more personality IMHO. Maybe because of their quirks. The Boxer has always been a beautiful Ferrari in my book. I have looked at a few but it is true some are very nice and others are not. There doesn't seem to be a middle or average for them. | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 857 Registered: 12-2001 |
Dave's complaint about the "modern japanese quality" of the 8's is probably true only with respect to the 355 and 360. And it is probably just as true with respect to the late model 12's as well. Indeed, it is clearly an aspiration of Ferrari to make the cars more reliable, roomy, comfortable, and in the process, some of the "rough edges" or personality may be lost in the process, at least according to some critics of the modern day ferrari. On the other hand, its nice to have a car that usually works (usually)... | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2087 Registered: 9-2001 |
DaveE, you sound like me regarding the V8 vs. V12 issue. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2085 Registered: 9-2001 |
edit | ||
| Andy Falsetta (Tuttebenne)
New member Username: Tuttebenne Post Number: 20 Registered: 3-2003 |
Any comments on Boxers being difficult to drive with the windows down? I've heard stories of exhaust being drawn back into the cabin as a result of the air flow around and behind the car. Boxer pilots please comment. Also, I agree that tracked cars are the better cars. Ferraris were meant to be driven hard and not to be kept as a trailer trophy. If you want a museum piece, these garage queens are fine, but give me a car that has great cosmetics, proper maintenance records and track time and I would give it higher consideration over a car that ran a thousand miles every ten years. Those cars may LOOK better, but they will require more money to eventually make it a reliable driver. | ||
| David Mcguire (Matkat)
New member Username: Matkat Post Number: 2 Registered: 3-2003 |
Dave though i totally respect your your opinion ti suggest an 8 cylinder ferrari is to refined and is akin to a honda or toyota is just blatantly wrong.My 328 GTs is far from refined and is about as near to the above mentioned as any 12 cylinder ferrari. best regards Dave Mcguire. p.s. consider yourself lucky to be able to rent one as here in Scotland any ferrari is a rarity. | ||
| DaveE (Banzaiboxr)
Junior Member Username: Banzaiboxr Post Number: 71 Registered: 8-2002 |
I look at the 348 355s and see a totally new, hands free touring with no fuss almost as reliable as any toyota,Hondas that are made to be driven.They are too refine without the Ferrari tradition of elite character and hands on appreciation the owner feels when driving.As the Acura Nsx was for Honda trying to come up with there own Ferarri and miserably failed.The NSX was too comfortable -overengineered and too costly. I see these type of cars from a styling and engineering view.They can be boring compared with better models of real tradition.There is nothing more special in automotive designs than hearing and understanding the history of a v-12 or flat 12 Ferrari engine.Tru Enzo style!! My own opinion! | ||
| Jonathan Garrett Donner (Jgd)
New member Username: Jgd Post Number: 32 Registered: 2-2003 |
Dave are you telling me an F355 is a boring car? | ||
| DaveE (Banzaiboxr)
Junior Member Username: Banzaiboxr Post Number: 70 Registered: 8-2002 |
Everyone can aquire a 348 , about as common as Honda Accords in California. ...Try to find a legal Boxer that still has all the bolt on crap on it. I personally do not see the interest in these 348 spiders. Seems more image driven than actually owning a real 12 cylinder Ferrari.8 cylinders seem boring and too common and fit in right there with 308 Gt4s. SORRY nowhere close in my book and don't care if every joe wants one.I can rent one at any local rent a car here in Newport beach. ;) Can't help myself had to release some tension. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2082 Registered: 9-2001 |
The reason the broker wanted to trade me even for my 348 Spider was because he knew he could sell it quicker than he could the Boxer. It is the rare buyer that is looking for a Boxer while a lot of folks are looking for a 348. | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 851 Registered: 12-2001 |
I think Boxers were heavily depreciated before our current economic woes, and having been at this ferrari game for a few years now, i have already seen cycles of interest come and go for particular models. The boxer is a joy to drive, and a good one well worth the money. When i was searching for a 330 GTC, i had the same impression: either hairy dogs, or queens. When i bought my boxer, it was a queen, i paid a healthy price for it, and spent the money necessary to make it roadworthy. I then drove it, probably close to 10k miles in the year or so that i owned it; i got back virtually what i had in it, on trade for a Maranello (which at the time, was at the top of the market). Keep looking, but unless you can do your own work, or have a cousin who knows ferraris (and boxers in particular), you may bet better off buying a queen and putting a modest amount of money in it. (Of course, if you beat the •••• out of it, you won't get your money back, and older cars are usually harder to get rid of, but my boxer got sold a week or two after the dealer got it from me, cause there are people like you, looking for a particular car). Good luck. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2066 Registered: 9-2001 |
Sean, Forza should check with Mr. Merritt then as he is the one that personally signs for ALL gray market cars brought into the USA. He says that if they were DOT/EPA legal before they left the USA, they can be brought back in. | ||
| Sean F (Agracer)
Junior Member Username: Agracer Post Number: 52 Registered: 2-2003 |
Forza's buyers guide on the BB says that no more are coming in since 1991, and once they leave, they cannot come back. | ||
| John Ashburne (Jashburne)
New member Username: Jashburne Post Number: 20 Registered: 9-2002 |
Frank Thanks for clearing up the re-entry question. But you also indicated that cars apparently no longer can enter the U.S. and get certified. I know there was an issue with new Ferraris being barred from entering the U.S., but I understood that older cars can still go through the EPA/DOT conversion process (at say, Amerispec or at any of a handful of registered importers) and enter the country. Did I read your note correctly? John | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2059 Registered: 9-2001 |
John, it is my understanding from Richard Merritt at DOT that an DOT/EPA documented car can come back into the USA even after it has been out of the country since the DOT/EPA certification. It is cars that have never been DOT/EPA certified that can not now enter the USA even if you agree to now have them so certified. | ||
| John Ashburne (Jashburne)
New member Username: Jashburne Post Number: 19 Registered: 9-2002 |
<What is wrong with this one that did not meet reserve on Ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2408434175&category=6212 It appears to be nice.> Could it be that, even though the car has (had) EPA/DOT papers, the fact that the car seems now to be out of the country and in Canada, means that it might be difficult to get back into the U.S.? I could be wrong, but I seem to remember that once a non-U.S. but Federalized car leaves the country, it can't get back in. Is this true? | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2057 Registered: 9-2001 |
I looked for months for a Boxer and saw everything from garage queens to ragged out wrecks. I went for a nice 12,xxx mile car that I knew needed a clutch and a major service because I wanted to have that work done myself so I would know what was done and that it was done right. I had a dealer do the service to get the 12 month warranty on the work whereas I had an independent replace the clutch. Since I traded my 17,xxx mile 348 Spider even for the Boxer I figure I paid about $70k for the Boxer. By the time you add in the major service, the clutch,removing the ugly rubber bumpers and side lights and various other touch-up cost, I figure I now have $80k in the car. | ||
| william speer (Wspeer)
Junior Member Username: Wspeer Post Number: 178 Registered: 8-2002 |
the problem with boxers and most of the older ferraris, is that few people have owned them that didn't have the financial resources to own them. the tattered cars, are usually passed around to continue to be tattered, the garage queens were usually bought by people who planned to keep them that way. these cars are no longer investments in a financial sense (although i could argue the are investments in fun), most of the people who still have them have them because they like them, god knows you can get a much better return by investing in something else. what it all boils down to, if you don't have to sell them NOW, you can ask what ever you want. if they sell for silly money, you have lost nothing. if it doesn't sell at your price, you have still lost nothing. about the only deal you will find is by looking long and hard and being able to step up to the plate with money in hand at the appropiate time when the seller is desperate for money. let's see, i cqan think of two times a year at least when this normally occurs..... christmas time and tax time. it is amazing how motivated people seem to become when they need the money versus when they would like to have it. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 3110 Registered: 9-2001 |
its funny, there are some guys still asking 80-90k for Boxers. Thats nuts | ||
| Dave Penhale (Dapper)
Member Username: Dapper Post Number: 600 Registered: 4-2002 |
"don't worry about insulting the guy" bloody wonderful world we live in isn't it? | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 3108 Registered: 9-2001 |
I got all my tips from you if that does not work as bruce says - call in the bada bing boys | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 4172 Registered: 5-2001 |
Hey Tom, did you make my "How to negotiate the best deal"-one-day-course in Jersey last month??? | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 3107 Registered: 9-2001 |
not sure how they can hide track use - that front hood is like a shovel for rocks etc Anyway - when I was looking I found that people a more willing to nego when you have the money in your hand. IF you find a prestine one with a high price - make an offer - don't worry about insulting the guy. worst he can say is no. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 4170 Registered: 5-2001 |
Personally the Boxer is not a "loved" Ferrari in my book. Can not see the reason why people go nutz over them. Sorry. As far as track. Why lie??? I would say if a car had been tracked it has proven that it is not just a pretty-boy-toy but has been well exercised. ...as long as it was not used as a t5rack only car of course. | ||
| Doug meredith (Dougm)
Member Username: Dougm Post Number: 252 Registered: 2-2001 |
Ken What is wrong with this one that did not meet reserve on Ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2408434175&category=6212 It appears to be nice. | ||
| Dave Penhale (Dapper)
Member Username: Dapper Post Number: 598 Registered: 4-2002 |
agree with DaveE the Boxer is about as good as it gets in the looks department! but then you were of course 'avin a larf' with us! | ||
| DaveE (Banzaiboxr)
Junior Member Username: Banzaiboxr Post Number: 67 Registered: 8-2002 |
The Ferrari Boxer will never be considered an UNLOVED FERRARI! This is an outrage to the highest degree of being Human... You should be shot twice in the head and hanged for even thinking this. | ||
| Henryk (Henryk)
Member Username: Henryk Post Number: 608 Registered: 8-2001 |
Pete: The problem is that "you can fix them up" may take many thousands of dollars, if the car was mis-represented. I feel that it is best to buy the best one that one can afford. PPI is MOST important!!!!!! | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 309 Registered: 11-2002 |
Personally I would rather buy one that was honest and a little dog-eared, than a garage queen. Thus who cares if it has been tracked as long as it is still straight ... after all doing 170 mph on the track or the road ... car does not care where Atleast then you can fix them up and KNOW that you have a good car ... rather than a car that has been tarted up by somebody else ...  Pete | ||
| Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
Member Username: Vwalfa4re Post Number: 994 Registered: 5-2001 |
Henryk is SO right. | ||
| Henryk (Henryk)
Member Username: Henryk Post Number: 606 Registered: 8-2001 |
Ken: Remeber one thing.......you can't trust a Ferrari seller. You have to be cautious!!!!! Remember, it is easy to disconnect the speedometer, and lie about track use. It is most unfortunate, but, due to the prices, it is the advantage of the seller to make the car as "use free" as possible. | ||
| Ken Ross (Kdross)
Member Username: Kdross Post Number: 296 Registered: 2-2002 |
I have seen several cars that were heavily tracked and looked it. Funny thing was that each owner swore that the car was never tracked - even after I saw the car at the track! | ||
| Henryk (Henryk)
Member Username: Henryk Post Number: 605 Registered: 8-2001 |
Ken: I just recently bought a Boxer. The seller had it for sale, for a while. It was a garage queen. The dealer sold it under consignment.....therefore, I was able to deal with the seller, without the dealer interferring......they just wanted the 10% commision, regardless of selling price. I feel that the prices are on the high side, only because the Boxer is still considered a classic.......as opposed to a TR...which I happen to agree with, which is why I bought it. There where few made, and that keeps the price up. When the economy comes around....and it will, I feel that the Boxer prices will go up more so than the TR's. I must add, that the owner did take $3K less from me, than he had from another offer 3 months prior. I guess that it all depends on how desperate the seller is, to sell. | ||
| Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
Member Username: Vwalfa4re Post Number: 990 Registered: 5-2001 |
Ken, as far as "beaters" go, what was the worst one you saw so far? I can't imagine a ragged-out Boxer. I only get to see the really nice ones. | ||
| Ken Ross (Kdross)
Member Username: Kdross Post Number: 293 Registered: 2-2002 |
My search for a 512BB Boxer is not going well. Either the cars I find are total beaters, or they are super low mileage garage queens with an asking price that is unreal. While I am sure that I will find a Boxer sooner or later, I have a question for anyone who has sold a Boxer. How long does it take to sell a Boxer without giving it away? Several people have told me that once you buy a Boxer you own it for life. Is this true? I know of several owners who have been trying to sell their Boxers for 2-3 years without any luck. The only offers they get are from low ball dealers who are trying to steal the cars. They have yet to get a semi-serious offer. Is this an indication of the bad ecomony or is the Boxer an unloved Ferrari? The DOT/EPA issue probably does not help either. |