| Author | Message | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4225 Registered: 12-2000 |
BTW, threads of flame and shame are within the archives folder at the bottom of the GFD topic list. Hard to find like it should be. I'll put this there in about 15 min. | ||
| Mike (Dollartaker)
Junior Member Username: Dollartaker Post Number: 94 Registered: 7-2001 |
I heard from bob's third cousin Frank, that Billy heard that John said somethin' about his mama. But hey I not gonna say nuttin'. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 978 Registered: 1-2002 |
Hello, Greg & Ben? Anyone home in your cranial cavities??? OFF FREAKIN' TOPIC, you moronic wankers!!!    | ||
| Sean F (Agracer)
Junior Member Username: Agracer Post Number: 55 Registered: 2-2003 |
"It is about personal information being acquired and used without permission" Just a FYI, I can get anyones personal info. if I know your name and phone number. Heck, type your phone number into Google and hit search and see what comes back. The freedom of information act pretty much makes all your personal information fair game at just about anytime to anyone unless you take steps to protect it. I had to "opt out" in Kansas to keep them from posting my drivers license info. on their web site and delist my phone number to get it off google. NOTE: I'm not suggesting Ben has done any net searching to get Greg's info. I'm just trying to clarify that personal info. is easily obtainable, and legal by the way. Permission has nothing to do with it. | ||
| Joseph (Mojo)
Member Username: Mojo Post Number: 299 Registered: 9-2002 |
What does this thread have to do with ferrari? sounds like thread for shame & flame or what ever you called that section. Hey what happen to that section? | ||
| Ben Millermon (Brainsboy)
Junior Member Username: Brainsboy Post Number: 195 Registered: 5-2001 |
I agree, Greg lets move on with this and be friends, thats why the site is here, we can do more good as friends then foe's. | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
Member Username: Richelson Post Number: 859 Registered: 12-2001 |
I am not taking sides but I don't think the issue is the business deal. It is about personal information being acquired and used without permission. I agree with others that this should be taken off of FerrariChat and handled personally. Like I informed Ben, I have no personal stake in this but IMO if this information was obtained without my permission I would pursue legal avenues. Again I think everyone should stop posting on this thread. This is a great site. | ||
| Jim E (Jimpo1)
Intermediate Member Username: Jimpo1 Post Number: 1546 Registered: 7-2001 |
Rob has a point, if you shipped it, where is it? I'd be screaming at the USPS about now wondering where the hell it was. | ||
| Ben Millermon (Brainsboy)
Junior Member Username: Brainsboy Post Number: 194 Registered: 5-2001 |
Greg Im not mad at you, Im chalking it up as business that went bad, no big deal. There is always 3 sides to every story, Your story, My story, and the truth. Although our business deal went bad, it doesnt mean we cant be friends and help each other on the site here. We do have one common love, the love of ferrari's and thats what this site is all about, lets start enjoying it together, and have fun.... Forgiveness my son  | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4222 Registered: 12-2000 |
If you had a tracking number, then the rack was sent, why hasn't Bill received it yet? BTW, you can check tracking numbers at www.usps.com. I agree with Tom, you guys aren't going to deal, I don't see much harm done so far, the more you both try to clear your name the uglier it's going to get as the acquisations fly. It may not be a big deal, just some miscommunication, leave it at that. | ||
| Greg Rodgers (Joechristmas)
Member Username: Joechristmas Post Number: 725 Registered: 3-2001 |
My personal information was never given to Ben Millermon. My drivers license #, my SS #, and my date of birth were never given or sent to him at anytime including email or over the telephone. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 3141 Registered: 9-2001 |
Greg Ben has offered to drop it, he has not disclosed any of your info to anyone else and has committed to keeping it confidential in the future, it is probably best to let it go, or pursue it of board | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 4201 Registered: 5-2001 |
I think you should take this off the air and to personal e-mail. Looks like the deal was failing from the get go to me. If you can not trust your business partner better not do business. That works for both sides, since I think you both had questions about the other. | ||
| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 3483 Registered: 8-2002 |
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| Ben Millermon (Brainsboy)
Junior Member Username: Brainsboy Post Number: 193 Registered: 5-2001 |
There was no threat my e-mail said I hadent heard from you for 2 days now and hope you didnt feel any negtive feelings towards our trade that went bad. How else could I get your ss#, driver lic number birth date if you didnt give it to me. come on Greg, be realistic. Im gussing you regret giving me that information. However I do good business since I am well known here, and despite your poor business your information is confidential. Im glad I have your e-mails as proof. As for your rack you offered it to two people here AFTER you claimed it was in the mail to me. I checked the dates would you like me to post the e-mails from you and them to verify? I didnt think so Why not just drop the whole thing, we could post 100 posts until the cows come home its not going to change anything, and neither one of us are out anything. And to continue with this is just going to make us both look bad, move on with your life, and lets be respectable to each other, and enjoy the site here with others. | ||
| Greg Rodgers (Joechristmas)
Member Username: Joechristmas Post Number: 723 Registered: 3-2001 |
For the record. I did not give you my personal SS# nor permission for you to obtain/send it to me in an email threat. This took it too far. - I did send a tracking # to you. This was from my receipt from the United States Postal Service. - My rack is/was posted on FerrariAds.com. Please look at the date and note that you had emailed me about the trade from this post in FerrariAds.com. I had no interest in bringing our trade to FerrariChat and would have agreed that it wasn't a good transaction until my personal information was obtained without my consent and sent to me in a threat. | ||
| Ben Millermon (Brainsboy)
Junior Member Username: Brainsboy Post Number: 191 Registered: 5-2001 |
Works for me, I agree, not everyone can get along with everyone and I dont want to have any problems with anyone especialy from this site. I love this site because for the most part it so well connected with everyone. We should be working together as a group and settle differences among ourselfs. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 3140 Registered: 9-2001 |
if you ask me, niether one of you appears to have suffered a financial loss and while this thread contains some acusations of misrepresentation and harassment - I think you guys should agree it will never work out and just leave it at that | ||
| Ben Millermon (Brainsboy)
Junior Member Username: Brainsboy Post Number: 189 Registered: 5-2001 |
He is telling a lie. After he broke his agreements 3 times, not just once, he wanted me to send all my product first and wait on his stuff to show up in the mail. He gave me a tracking number, so I went to a friend at the post office, he said is was a fake tracking number and missing some #'s. After I found out from two ferrari people here he offered the rack to them. How could he do this if it was being sent to me. Also Greg agreed to give me his personal information if I would send my product first, his comment was it was too one sided because he already sent his rack. But before you do anything Greg or want to continue this slander keep in mind I have all our e-mails | ||
| Richelson (Richelson)
Member Username: Richelson Post Number: 854 Registered: 12-2001 |
First let me just say that I have done business/trades with Greg before and have not had any problems. Personally, I don't know the entire story but whether or not anyone wants to trade/not trade regardless; no one has the right to send their personal information over the internet. There is no excuse that is viable in my book. I think Frank is correct. Contact your/an attorney and get the legal ball rolling. If he contacted you from work/business notify the proper authorities/boss.(it stated you have his work # in his post) | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 1208 Registered: 11-2002 |
>>>10 hour drive for me to his location,We planned it for a week and 1/2 he waited until I had my car pack and was on my way before he e-mailed me he decieded not to trade. For 5 weeks I have dealing with this Greg who has done nothing but lie to me.<<< I have to admit that story sounds very familiar and almost exactly like the way Greg planned to come interview for a job in Dec. Sorry Greg...but if you don't want to do something, don't BS people and string them along...grow up & grow a pair and try honesty in your dealings. | ||
| Ben Millermon (Brainsboy)
Junior Member Username: Brainsboy Post Number: 184 Registered: 5-2001 |
Whats funny about all this is I have already warned several people about doing business with Greg already. But didnt feel the need to make it public to all. I cant tell whats fact or fiction with you Greg. That fact you want to try and pull some slander about me is fine, I have been doing my business here with my distributors, I recieve checks as much 900$ upfront on all my distributors, and no one has been cheated. If you want to try and slander its not going to work. Perhaps you can explain why my steering rach was supposed to be in the mail for weeks now and you then offered it last week to someone on the site. | ||
| Ben Millermon (Brainsboy)
Junior Member Username: Brainsboy Post Number: 183 Registered: 5-2001 |
The whole story here is he was suppose to do a trade, first he said he sent the parts, then he couldnt provide a tracking number,then he said forget the trade, then he said he would, I suggested paypal due to the problems, then we agreed to meet it was a 10 hour drive for me to his location,We planned it for a week and 1/2 he waited until I had my car pack and was on my way before he e-mailed me he decieded not to trade. For 5 weeks I have dealing with this Greg who has done nothing but lie to me. When people agree to meet and its a 10 hour drive for me, you cant wait until I have packed my car and on my way to do a trade. As far as treatening, it wasnt a treat I basicly was telling you there is not need for anything to come bad out of this transaction what ever reason you changed your mind, You waiting until the last min to change is ok, you could of at least called, you have my cell phone and my WORK NUMBER! BY the way where is the rach you promised to send me, oh I saw you posted you had a rach for sale last week, guess you changed your mind on that too. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 3137 Registered: 9-2001 |
so he is pissed because you were unable to meet that day or because you told him you would not do the trade anymore. | ||
| EFWUN (Efwun)
Member Username: Efwun Post Number: 381 Registered: 2-2003 |
What he said!! | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2080 Registered: 9-2001 |
I would not do any further business with him and send him a certified letter informing him that if further disclosure of your SS# or any other of your personal information that you will take formal legal action. If he has a boss I would also report him to his boss and also to any of his venders you can find. You can also report him to the Better Business Bureau in the town where his business is located. There may be a Federal law violation as well which could give you some redress. | ||
| Greg Rodgers (Joechristmas)
Member Username: Joechristmas Post Number: 722 Registered: 3-2001 |
Ben and I were discussing a trade for various 308 parts. We had planned on meeting over the weekend and I said that I wouldn't be able to meet that weekend. He now emails me with my Social Security # (where/how he got it I am not sure of) and is threatening that something bad may happen if I don't do the trade. I just wanted to post this as I feel this is wrong and why would you send my social security # over the internet. (included in the threat) I know he is selling the dist. and this is very unsettling. |