| Author | Message | ||
| Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
Member Username: Enjoythemusic Post Number: 314 Registered: 4-2002 |
Steve, Agreed about it needing overall lowering. Can not provide a side shot for a few days (at least) as it is snowing here in NH. Will carefully measure ride height all around when i am at a very flat parking lot (looking into renting a local airport for an hour or two :-) ). Am beginning to wonder if we will pass by spring and go right into summer... when July finally arrives! Just a have a feeling this snow will NEVER end :-( Maybe i should have my extra set of rims with TRX tires fitted with studs :-) Hmmmm.... Enjoy the Drive, Steven R. Rochlin | ||
| Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Intermediate Member Username: 91tr Post Number: 1631 Registered: 1-2001 |
Steven R. -- If the (flat) bottom pan of your car is generally higher at the front than at the rear this could contribute to your symptom (just another reason to lower the front  ) -- post a side view of your car. | ||
| Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
Member Username: Enjoythemusic Post Number: 313 Registered: 4-2002 |
Everyone, Have the 1985 308GTS QV Euro with Euro front spoiler. Is it just me/my car, or does the front really seem to lighten up at about 110+? Enjoy the Drive, Steven R. Rochlin | ||
| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
Member Username: Eric308gtsiqv Post Number: 715 Registered: 11-2001 |
Awsome pic, Wolfgang...you guys over there with the high-speed roadways have all the luck. | ||
| Wolfgang Eistert (53345)
Junior Member Username: 53345 Post Number: 102 Registered: 3-2003 |
Ferraris are built for speed! Usual I drive my 308QV on German-Highways up to a 160mph / 7.800rpm`s ...when the road is empty! Over 55.000 miles without any problems. Wolfgang FORZA FERRARI  | ||
| Henry D. Chin (Hanknum)
Junior Member Username: Hanknum Post Number: 87 Registered: 2-2002 |
I've got a '78 carbed car with 94k miles and take it to redline (about 7500) at least once anytime I drive it. It makes wonderful music and it was designed to rev at these speeds. I believe that if you are worried about something breaking then there is something wrong and it will eventually break anyways. Why not enjoy it to the max. and worry about the consequences when and if they occur. I remember someones interpretation of the old "Italian Tune-up", floor it at least a few times and redline it at least once anytime you drive it. Bottom line is drive your own Ferrari however way it makes you happy. | ||
| Timothy Guay (Timguay)
New member Username: Timguay Post Number: 22 Registered: 2-2003 |
Gary, I love the recording of the shift pattern! The best. This is what this chat is all about! My wife screams at me when I play it at max volume! Ya baby. | ||
| Dan B. (Dan_the_man)
Junior Member Username: Dan_the_man Post Number: 101 Registered: 9-2002 |
79 308gts, approx 71,000 miles, I rev to 8000 all the time. Wonderful sound. My car pulls above 4000, and is sluggish below it. The DIS that I put on the car made it come alive. Dan | ||
| Mike Charness (Mcharness)
Member Username: Mcharness Post Number: 415 Registered: 8-2002 |
I asked a buddy who does real wheel-to-wheel racing and does race car customization about Mark Eb's statement. I've posted his reponse as a start of a new thread in "Technical". | ||
| Mike Charness (Mcharness)
Member Username: Mcharness Post Number: 411 Registered: 8-2002 |
Mark, that's very interesting! I'll have to check into that. | ||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 459 Registered: 5-2002 |
Mike, If your QV is stock, I think you'll find it goes faster if you shift at 6800. The Don, If your carb'd 2v is stock, I think you'll find it goes faster if you shift at 7500 Best performance is always achieved by keeping the engine between peak torque (5000 carb, 5500 QV) and peak HP (7500 carb, 6800 qv) That said, they're your cars drive them the way your comfortable and makes you happy, that is way you have them right? | ||
| Mike (Dollartaker)
Junior Member Username: Dollartaker Post Number: 96 Registered: 7-2001 |
The Don, I have an 85 QV. I drive the car in the mid sevens always. I also should clarify: car warmed up as well. maybe I'm missing something about these cars being museums. If I had a 1916 model T, I might not redline it, however I see owners of 250 GTO's that race them at Sears Point. Is this a reliability issue, or a,(this will cost a fortune if.....) issue? | ||
| Hans E. Hansen (4re_gt4)
Intermediate Member Username: 4re_gt4 Post Number: 1026 Registered: 4-2002 |
Although I normally don't go beyond the low to mid 6's on a 'performance shift', I have approached 7 on rare occasions. This is simply bacause I'm paranoid of the "Really Big Engine Repair Bill" in case something were to let go. Valve spring, or perhaps one of those old sodium filled valve heads popping off. However...... I know a guy who has routinely tracked a '75 308GT4 for many years. He shifts in the 7's, and occasionally pulls to 8000 or even just beyond. He does all maintenance himself. Car has a ton of miles. Runs great. But not me! | ||
| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 3510 Registered: 8-2002 |
Mike You needed to be more specific. E.G. the 2v's or the QV's.I was talking about the 2v's going past 6k. THe QV's are newer and can rev until the cows come home. | ||
| Frederick Thomas (Fred)
Member Username: Fred Post Number: 680 Registered: 2-2001 |
I have an 83 308qv and take it to the redline almost everytime I drive it. Especially when I am getting on the highway on a nice long on ramp. If they didn't think it should go past 6k then I would think that is where they would have put the redline. I had several people tell that the engine could be revved even higher like up to 8500rpms with no problems. You guys that aren't winding it out are missing half of the fun. BTW I don't run it to 8500. | ||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 458 Registered: 5-2002 |
The carb cars pull to 7500, the injected car to 6800, unless something is wrong with it. Here's an mpeg my supercharged qv running to 7700 - warning:big file http://mywebpages.comcast.net/markeberhardt/MarkFerrari.mpg | ||
| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
Member Username: Eric308gtsiqv Post Number: 702 Registered: 11-2001 |
Awsome clip, Gary! You guys have convinced me to "come out of my shell" and open her up! | ||
| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 3503 Registered: 8-2002 |
I take my car to 6K all the time, just not past it. | ||
| Gary Reed (Gary_reed)
New member Username: Gary_reed Post Number: 50 Registered: 2-2002 |
Eric, You need to take your car out and run it up to redline a few times! Trust me, you'll love it and the engine is built to take it! Most of you guys have probably heard this already, but here's a sound clip of my QV being redlined in ALL five gears on the dyno (500K file): http://home.attbi.com/~garyreed3/308qv.wav | ||
| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
Member Username: Eric308gtsiqv Post Number: 701 Registered: 11-2001 |
On a test ride shortly after the 30k service, my mechanic rode along to make certain that I was satisfied with all the repairs. Later, he confessed that he suspected that I was a little too "easy" on the car -- scared to drive it normally; and his suspicions were correct. He made me shift at 4k or higher, and no lower. He said that these cars need to be revved to this range when shifting for a good healthy engine. Of course, this was after it was fully warmed up. Works for me....plus I love the sound at those RPM's! Haven't taken her anywhere near 6k though...yet . | ||
| Ben Millermon (Brainsboy)
Junior Member Username: Brainsboy Post Number: 198 Registered: 5-2001 |
On my 81 when it was original I didnt notice much difference in power between 6500 and 7500 probably due to the poor fuel injection system. Im in the process of building and testing some new intakes and fuel injection systems, I cant wait to test the differences. | ||
| BretM (Bretm)
Advanced Member Username: Bretm Post Number: 3348 Registered: 2-2001 |
Old or not, if everything is in good shape I see no problem in hitting the 7700rpm redline which is consistent through the 308 line if I remember correctly. If it was serviced by a reputable shop then do it, if you are that worried about the maintenance on your car then 1) it makes me think that you should get it serviced yourself to make sure everything is right, and 2) you're not going to enjoy what your car is. Shifting a 308 below 6000 is like shifting a small block chevy at 3500rpms, sure it's starting to pull by then, but you're missing what the whole engine was designed for, that moment when everything comes together for it's maximum output. | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 806 Registered: 10-2001 |
I take my 72 TC Lotus to 6800 (redline) every now and then. I usually shift at 5500-6000. | ||
| Mark Eberhardt (Me_k)
Member Username: Me_k Post Number: 457 Registered: 5-2002 |
My QV HP peaked at 6800 on the dyno, torque at 5500, just like the owners manual says. I don't thing I have ever had the car out for a drive where it didn't see 6800 at least once. During the dyno testin g it was tuned to redline, 7700. They are built for that and you shouldn't have any problem using them that way. | ||
| Mike Charness (Mcharness)
Member Username: Mcharness Post Number: 408 Registered: 8-2002 |
I take my 308QV to the track two or three times a year. On those days, it frequently sees shifting at (or occasionally slightly above) redline! Maybe doing that on track days creates a slight amount of extra wear, but I love it, and it seems to love it. Car has not quite 50,000 miles on it. Around town though, I do usually shift in the 5k's. | ||
| Gary Reed (Gary_reed)
New member Username: Gary_reed Post Number: 47 Registered: 2-2002 |
I have an '83 QV that I've owned for about 5 years and I always take it to redline several times, whenever I drive it. The dyno testing that I've done on my car shows that it's peak horsepower is 6,300 rpm. | ||
| Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
Member Username: 308gtb Post Number: 462 Registered: 2-2002 |
With all respect, Godfather, I did say "occasionally." Prudence should dictate when driving these older cars. | ||
| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 3498 Registered: 8-2002 |
Mitchel, Your car is a newer QV. taking a older 2 valve car 308 or 308 gt4 is asking for trouble with their ages in the 28-24 year range. | ||
| Mitchel DeFrancis (4re308)
Member Username: 4re308 Post Number: 809 Registered: 6-2001 |
Mike, I see no need to rev her past 6k. I drive my car hard all the time, and sometimes I do shift her at or above 6k. I have shifted it once or twice at 7k with no problem. My point is the power band is at or below 5500 anyway. Am I right? | ||
| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 3495 Registered: 8-2002 |
Barry, My engine is 25 years old and has never been opened up. Has Hans Hansen said, "they are rolling museums" | ||
| Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
Member Username: 308gtb Post Number: 461 Registered: 2-2002 |
I do too, Mike, occasionally. Peak torque is up in the higher RPMS (5000 or so) and I feel the engine is designed for that type of operation. | ||
| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 3493 Registered: 8-2002 |
Mike, I drive hard, Many on the board will vouch for that, (Byron, Jean-louis, Martin Weiner, Bob Callahan, Ron Shirly, Gene Agatep, Craig, James S, Jordan, Etc.etc.) The 308 is my daily at it sees a fair amount of low speed city driving but on the f-chat drives....it gets worked, but not passed 6k Matt | ||
| Mike (Dollartaker)
Junior Member Username: Dollartaker Post Number: 95 Registered: 7-2001 |
I saw a thread in the tech. section with people indicating that they never take their 308's past 6k rpm's. I was curious as to how you drive your cars. Any feedback would be appreciated. Am I the only one bringing the car to the 7's? Thanks Mike |