| Author | Message | ||
| Rob Schermerhorn (Rexrcr)
Member Username: Rexrcr Post Number: 511 Registered: 11-2002 |
I found this compound way too soft for Ferrari's (We'd blow them out in 15 minutes). In '93-95 I ran 348 Challenge with Pagid 4-2(blue) front and 4s(yellow/ endurance) rear to compensate for non-optimal brake bias (Challenge rules conformation). Now, I recommend their ceramic pad (grey) in front and yellow rear if one wants to use pads a bit less agressive on rotors (which is ideal for 348 small OEM rotors). | ||
| Jon P. Kofod (95f355c)
Member Username: 95f355c Post Number: 587 Registered: 8-2001 |
I don't know much about street use pads (Audi wagon and 8 liter truck). But I totally agree with Rob S. The ulitimate track/race pad has to be Performance Friction hands down. I ran Pagid Orange for about two years then got tired of their high cost and switched to Poterfield race pads which I thought were lousy on my 355 Challenge. The folks at Porterfield also carry Performance Friction and recommneded a pad the Trans Am guys used. First time I used them I was blown away. It took an entire session to find my new braking points which were significantly deeper than with other pads. Note, however that the PF pads I use make mincemeat out of my rotors but the stopping power is unbelievable. In fact I was at Summit Point today running the car and we had one hour sessions and the PF pads never faded once even after an end of day 50 minute session where I was trying to use my tires. Regards, Jon P. Kofod 1995 F355 Challenge #23 | ||
| Dave (Parts_man_soda)
Junior Member Username: Parts_man_soda Post Number: 138 Registered: 8-2002 |
Well I received a few Ferodo's in today, Thanks for all the info every one posted and email me. Hope my prices are competitive... check them out. Cheers, Dave www.sodacoms.com | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 717 Registered: 1-2002 |
Brian- Got it worked out. This batch took a bit longer to bed, and I was having some material transfer issues. My car is 3000lbs. w/ driver and full tank of gas w/ 11.1 inch rotors up front. Not too large, but fresh rotors. Thanks for the reply. | ||
| Dave (Parts_man_soda)
Junior Member Username: Parts_man_soda Post Number: 130 Registered: 8-2002 |
Thanks Everyone for there info. Just want to make sure I will stock what everyone likes. Cheers All! Soda My shameless plug >->->-> www.sodacoms.com | ||
| Heiko (Hgparts)
Junior Member Username: Hgparts Post Number: 71 Registered: 3-2003 |
well i am ferodo and pagid dealer so just tell me wich pad you want and for wich car http://stores.andale.com/hgparts | ||
| Ernie Bonilla (Ernie)
Member Username: Ernie Post Number: 602 Registered: 11-2001 |
Were do you find Ferodo break pads, or any of them for that matter, at a reasonable price? | ||
| Rob Schermerhorn (Rexrcr)
Member Username: Rexrcr Post Number: 456 Registered: 11-2002 |
FWIW, Brembo does not manufacture brake pads, they rebrand. First it was/is Pagid, now I believe they also supply Ferodo. I have used Porterfield, Pagid, Galfer, Ferodo, Performance Frictin's Carbon Metalic in various compounds, Cool Carbon (out of business), Mintex. IMO, for track day use or dual duty street/track, all the above, and other high performance manufactures, offer great products, so use what you like. However, for all out racing where the object is winning, one must test with their own car as there are pro/con to each design. For racing, I've had great success with Performance Friction, and IMO, the company really does continue to develop cutting edge friction material. I like Pagid, OEM to the F40, F50, 355 Challenge. Great race pad that can certainly be run on the street, less noise than Performance Friction for street driving with a race pad. Ferodo's were great on 360 Challenge, no complaints. When we tested Pagid in this application, I couldn't see a performance difference, so stayed with Ferodo. If I was running a Trans Am, Champ Car, Atlantic, Winston Cup car now, I'd be using Performance Friction for sure. | ||
| Brian Kennedy (Kennedy)
Junior Member Username: Kennedy Post Number: 230 Registered: 3-2002 |
I've not experienced any fade with the Panther Plus pads. Pad fade was common, in contrast, with the 360's stock pads. My regular track has a 120mph down to about 50mph, plus a couple 110mph down to 70 or 85mph... and I brake really hard. However, I am driving a 360... not exactly the heaviest of Ferraris... nor the smallest of Ferrari brakes. Specs-wise, the Panther Plus should be some of the most fade-resistant pads available... How do your rotors look... flat, or fairly scarred? I wonder if your bedding process is taking longer than normal. How heavy is your car vs how large are your brakes? Just some thoughts. | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 679 Registered: 1-2002 |
Brian- I've been very happy with the panthers thus far, however, I ran at Buttonwillow (1st event after installing and bedding new set of fronts), and had substantial pad fade; first few sessions were really pronounced, and latter (cooler) sessions were better; took about 3 full sessions for the pads to really come in, coming off a 125mph backstraight into an 3rd gear turn was what precipitated the fade. I was really suprised as the first batch of pads I got had only minimal (few laps) of pad fade post install/bedding in much higher (107 degree) ambient temps, and at a faster track (Big Willow) Have you experienced anything like this in your application? | ||
| Brian Kennedy (Kennedy)
Junior Member Username: Kennedy Post Number: 229 Registered: 3-2002 |
I have Carbotech Panther Plus on my 360 currently. Have held up well to very hard track driving and stop great cold as well. They are easy to modulate and have a lot of stopping power hot. They produce surprisingly little dust. They do have one drawback, like any track pad, they squeal significantly when warm. It varies a lot though... sometimes its just a mild bit of noise, sometimes its a major head-turning squeal. Overall, I've been very pleased. | ||
| Ben Lobenstein 90 TR (Benjet)
Intermediate Member Username: Benjet Post Number: 1074 Registered: 1-2001 |
I'll guess I have stock pads on the TR, I have Roftren pads ready to swap, when I get there. -Ben P.S. Since I never heard any comments on the Roftren pads, that's one of the reasons I thought to try them. At the price (that'd make most domestic pads jealous) I couldn't afford not to give them a try. | ||
| Mike Charness (Mcharness)
Member Username: Mcharness Post Number: 414 Registered: 8-2002 |
Direct from the Porterfield folks, then took them to my local mechanic. Porterfield's site is www.porterfield-brakes.com Unfortunately, they're going through a re-do of their site, but it does still have contact information. Brake pads for my 308 were around $79 for the fronts from what I remember, and the rears were within a few dollars of that same price also. | ||
| Johnny (Up2nogd)
Junior Member Username: Up2nogd Post Number: 149 Registered: 8-2002 |
Mike, Where did you purchase the pads? Johnny | ||
| Mike Charness (Mcharness)
Member Username: Mcharness Post Number: 413 Registered: 8-2002 |
Alan: Yep, change pads to the Porterfield R4-S carbon kevlar. No squeal, no dust. The annoying squeal is why I threw away my old Axxis MetalMax pads even though they had plenty of thickness left. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 382 Registered: 6-2002 |
My brakes are fine, but squeak real bad. Anything you can do to get rid of that? | ||
| Mike Charness (Mcharness)
Member Username: Mcharness Post Number: 410 Registered: 8-2002 |
Porterfield R4-S They're wonderful. Much better then the Lucas/Axxis MetalMax I replaced. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 986 Registered: 1-2002 |
Thanks, Mitch! I use them on the rear of my M3, and the DS3000 pure-track pads up front (which dust like a mutha...). Surprisingly, the stock pads I have on the 550, which are the original pads, have held up remarkably well, considering how much track use I have given the car in its 14,7xx miles. I am really impressed that there is ~~33% pad life left, despite the 4,000 lbs of car & driver, and despite the high speeds I run at TWS. My guy at Cobalt Friction, Andie, from whom I but the Ferodos at a very fair price, tells me that the 2500s will perform even better than the DS1000 OEM pad I have, with no more dust. So we'll see... Also getting new tires for the 550, as the 2nd set--Pirelli PZero Asimmetricos--didn't last worth a sh_t. No S-03's available fo rthe rear sizes or even one size up, and no Kumho MX's available for my fronts, so I am trying Pilot Sports. My buddy Jim runs them in his Viper, and after a number of hard track weekends, they look remarkably good.....despite being from France!  | ||
| Mitch Alsup (Mitch_alsup)
Member Username: Mitch_alsup Post Number: 452 Registered: 4-2002 |
Dave: I am currently running DS2500 on my F355. These pads have great bite (u=0.61) and don't fade. After my first track event on them they dusted considerably, but last weekend they dusted pretty much like the original Ferrari pads--that is pretty tollerable since I was running much harder. Since I cooked the original Ferrari pads twice at the race tracks, I was looking for a pad that would not fade. These DS2500 certainly fit this bill. In addition, I got to drive these in the colder weather here in Texas, I can say that these pads are pretty streetable down here in Texas, but might not be streetable much farther north in the colder months of the year. | ||
| Dave (Parts_man_soda)
Junior Member Username: Parts_man_soda Post Number: 128 Registered: 8-2002 |
This is good info. I would like every ones opinion before I stock allot of pads no one wants...Got some Brembo and Ferodo in stock now, but want a consensus on what every one is using. | ||
| Marq J Ruben (Qferrari)
Member Username: Qferrari Post Number: 284 Registered: 2-2002 |
Porterfield R4S, with no complaints. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 984 Registered: 1-2002 |
I just ordered Ferodo DS2500's to replace the original front pads (likely DS1000's) on my 550. The rears still have 75%++ of their material left. | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 674 Registered: 1-2002 |
I've used: OEM porterfield r4s carbotech panther plus I've sampeled: porterfield r4's; axxis metal master; ferodo; aem/nissin, and a few others. I'm going to try cobaltfriction pads next. So far the carbotech's have worked the best, but I'd like to try something with more bite which the cobalt's promise (i.e. panther +; u=0.56 v. cobalt; u= 0.65) Should be fun. | ||
| Mark Collins (Markcollins)
Junior Member Username: Markcollins Post Number: 174 Registered: 7-2002 |
Pagid fast road are good on my 355 much better than the original Brembo's and much cheaper at approx $140 a complete set, I'm using some others at the moment (can't remeber the name but will post tomorrow) which are better than the Brembos but not quite as good as the Pagids however they are cheaper still at approx $120 again for a complete set. Used to run Mintex 1144's in my 328 which were quite good, with better resistance to fade | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4232 Registered: 12-2000 |
The Ferodo stock pads I think, the ones with the wire that are more expensive and malfunction so the short always says you have "Brake Failure". urgh. | ||
| Dave (Parts_man_soda)
Junior Member Username: Parts_man_soda Post Number: 123 Registered: 8-2002 |
Curious what brake pads everyone likes. Brembo, Ferodo. . . . . |