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'75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Advanced Member
Username: Peter
Post Number: 2639
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Monday, April 07, 2003 - 3:05 pm: | |
I get what you're saying Ben. In our case, we need to present our "Aircare" test results to the adjusters when it comes time to re-insure our (regular, daily-driver) cars for the year. No Aircare, no insurance. Failed Aircare results can grant you a 3 month grace-period to insure the car to have it fixed, then re-tested.
As for my Ferrari, its insured as a "Collector car" and this has limitations. I can drive 365 days/year and unlimited mileage and I DON'T have to take it through Aircare. But, I can't drive it to work/school. Laws have changed and any new "Collector" applicants now must take the car through a first-and-only time of Aircare testing. The test is much more liberal than the standard test for normal cars. For this once-and-only test, mileage is not taken into account. |
Ben Lobenstein 90 TR (Benjet)
Intermediate Member
Username: Benjet
Post Number: 1083
Registered: 1-2001
| | Posted on Monday, April 07, 2003 - 12:58 am: | |
Peter,
Yes, they do that here too. My point was....if you are exempt from being smogged (by driving less than xx,000 miles etc.), and you never make it into the inspection station, where is it recorded/reported, or who looks to be sure that you are taking an accurate record? Will you have to take your car in just to have the odo reading taken? Can you say I drove from LA to NY and back and then get away with having 6k miles exempted? etc. etc. etc. I don't like the idea, and I don't see how this "soft rule" would be helpful. It will become simpler to reg in another (or neighboring) state (which is very easy and many already do now).
-Ben |
'75 308 GT4 (Peter)
Advanced Member
Username: Peter
Post Number: 2632
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Sunday, April 06, 2003 - 6:14 pm: | |
Ben: "...who checks how many miles they are driven per year?..."
Sunny: "...Many locals push their cars to or beyond that 12k. True, who's going to know?..."
I don't know about your testing facilities down there, but up here, as you roll through the testing-station building, the first thing the technicians do is poke their head into the car and look at the odo... That number is then punched into the computer and it appears on the test print-out.
As for the situation, the same thing is happening in Canada too (bill C-32). The NAAACCC and the VCCC (one of the clubs I belong to), plus other specialty-vehicle car clubs have been lobbying for "classic car" exemption. So far, it looks good... But beyond that, the bill does call for ALL (other) vehicles 25 years and older to be BANNED and REMOVED from the road... |
Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Member
Username: Jaguarxj6
Post Number: 265
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, April 06, 2003 - 8:08 am: | |
I know its been brought up in the past minus the ammendment, but never hurts to "top" the issue in the discussion topics for those who haven't seen it.
Yes, driven in CA would be my guess as well.
I put 15k/yr in pleasure miles minus commute, errands, grocery getting, etc on my car and my friends own classics who do the same thing. And its not just a handful of people either, which has us so worried. Many locals push their cars to or beyond that 12k. True, who's going to know?
There could be an MOT. There could be a way where you have to take your classic in for an odo check when you register bi-annually. Or, its one more unenforceable law for the booksm, true? I don't want to tempt them. |
Ben Lobenstein 90 TR (Benjet)
Intermediate Member
Username: Benjet
Post Number: 1079
Registered: 1-2001
| | Posted on Sunday, April 06, 2003 - 5:34 am: | |
Sunny,
We took this up a month ago:
http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/21/211442.html
and
http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/21/213021.html
From the last I heard, it was pretty much a dead bill as of late. But based upon your addition, realistically how many people drive thier classics more than 12k/yr, and if they don't have to be smogged.... who checks how many miles they are driven per year? And do all those miles have to be driven in CA?
-Ben |
Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Member
Username: Jaguarxj6
Post Number: 262
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, April 06, 2003 - 1:03 am: | |
Ok, the quick and dirty. Smog laws in California are under the gun. If SB708 passes, cars 45 years and older will be exempt UNLESS your driving less then 12k miles a year and the vehicle is pre-1974.
Californian's can either stand up to this or grab yer ankles.
Full text here, http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=sb_708&sess=CUR&house=B&author=florez
The bill is introduced by Senator Florez, claims it is aimed at the daily transport vehicles and those vehicles that are gross polluters, e-mail could be found here, http://www.californiacarclubs.com/
SENATOR FLOREZ DRIVES A 12MPG GMC DENALI.
Can you please write and tell him to stick it in the language of your choice?
Thanks for your help to protect those vehicles which don't belong under the thumb of the Nazi California Air Resource Board and anyone affiliated with their efforts to •••• us over.
I came across the Jaguar Clubs of North America (JCNA) e-mail because I'm the webmaster for the Los Angeles club that has around 400 or so members and we're all trying to write in and help squash this. For every "modern" Jag in the club there are at least two to three times as many classics. Its gonna royally screw a lot of people over who drive their vehicles as intended.
Thanks,
Sunny |
Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator
Username: Rob328gts
Post Number: 4282
Registered: 12-2000
| | Posted on Sunday, April 06, 2003 - 12:36 am: | |
How does this relate to Ferraris? This impacts pre '74 Ferraris. Please explain. |
Sunny Garofalo (Jaguarxj6)
Member
Username: Jaguarxj6
Post Number: 260
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, April 06, 2003 - 12:27 am: | |
To all
While the attached note sounds good, it may present a problem for a relatively large number of members in all JCNA clubs - '74 is effectively the last year (and a plentiful one) for Jaguar sports cars - the series III "E". There were around 2500 produced that year over half of the total 12 cylinder production run for the Etype -'71 through '74. One more year on the exemption list would make a big difference to some JCNA members. Dana
This message is from a member of the assembly. Looks like we're OK. If you want any other changes addressed let me know. Alex
From: JohnLaird
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 7:14 AM
To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: Re: FW: S.B.708
SB708 has been amended to exempt any pre-1974 car that is driven less than 12,000 miles per year. I suspect this addresses your concern.
Hope you're well.
John |
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