| Author | Message | ||
| Joseph (Mojo)
Member Username: Mojo Post Number: 300 Registered: 9-2002 |
Enzo is awsome in the front and the back, but from the side it needs help, roof lines too high and those up curve windows dont fit at all. Gross, other than that COOL!! my 2 cents | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 3396 Registered: 8-2002 |
You're right, Arlie, the politically correct way of thinking would lose that bet, but the politically correct way of thinking will keep my mind open and has taught me never to stereotype, etc...  | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 997 Registered: 5-2002 |
DES, I define a car person as: someone who buys car magazines at a grocery store. (how many women do that?) someone who ENJOYS prowling through old salvage yards. someone who knows what a carburetor is. (you mean there was something BEFORE fuel injection?) someone who ENJOYS browsing through an auto parts store even when you have nothing that you need to buy. someone who appreciates a 4 cylinder Crosley engine as much as a 12 cylinder Ferrari or a V16 Cadillac or Marmon. (assuming the person in question could tell the difference between them in the first place.) Someone who knows that a 6 point socket is better than a 12 point socket because it won't slip off the nut as easily. Or someone who knows that a 13mm socket will substitute for a 1/2 socket if you're in a pinch. Etc. You get the idea. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 3379 Registered: 8-2002 |
Arlie, i would need some serious specifics on the definition of "car person" before i wagered a dollar, much less a thousand... | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 992 Registered: 5-2002 |
James, there is always an exception to every statistic, but if you had to bet your $1000 bill on whether most car buffs are men, women, black, white, young, old, or whatever; I know where I would put my money every time. You have to go with the best odds and I don't think that it is being a racist or a stereotypist to think that most car people are older white guys who can afford to play the game. For every one girl that I've ever seen twisting wrenches on a car, I've seen 500 guys twisting wrenches. For every girl that I've seen buying parts at a swap meet or a salvage yard; I've seen 1000 guys doing the same. It may sound politically correct to think otherwise, but if you bet your money on that kind of thinking, you will lose. | ||
| EFWUN (Efwun)
Member Username: Efwun Post Number: 525 Registered: 2-2003 |
I believe a certain Sandy M***** would resent horsefly calling her a man. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1008 Registered: 10-2002 |
The one from Hibbing.... | ||
| jake diamond (Rampante)
Junior Member Username: Rampante Post Number: 102 Registered: 4-2002 |
...Bobby Zimmerman ?? | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1000 Registered: 10-2002 |
Arlie There are women who own 250GTO's. There's one woman who vintage races her's. Today the #1 golfer is black and the #1 rapper is white. As Bob said:"The times they are a changing..." Best Jim | ||
| Horsefly (Arlie)
Member Username: Arlie Post Number: 991 Registered: 5-2002 |
But of course those 250 GTO owners were all men. No women among the group. Does that make me a chauvanist if I notice that fact? Or must I be politically correct and wear blinders when it comes to certain facts, lest I be labled a "stereotyper"? | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Advanced Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 2833 Registered: 6-2001 |
17 mill? wow he must have really wanted that car. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 999 Registered: 10-2002 |
Michael The following gentlemen own 250GTO's, each one of which is worth approx $9 million US. Several of them own 2 examples. The last time I saw them they looked Asian to me. Takeo Kato Mr. Okamoto Yoshijuki Hayashi Yoshiho Matsuda Anthony Wang Patric Ma Mr Lee Donald Fong (Recently sold) Mr Okata, another asian Gentleman I knew owned a 250LM and the 330TRI/LM that sold at auction last year for $6,490,000. BTW Takeo Kato paid $17,000,000 for his GTO. (sold) | ||
| Michael Yip (Mightyslash)
Junior Member Username: Mightyslash Post Number: 167 Registered: 4-2002 |
Let's face it, most ferrari owners are white men in their 40s, 50s or older. This is even more true when it comes to more expensive ferraris like F40s, F50s, enzos etc. If you don't agree with me, find me some asians, black men or other people in the minorities that drive expensive ferraris like the ones i mentioned | ||
| Alon Dahan (Alon)
New member Username: Alon Post Number: 11 Registered: 3-2003 |
I'd like you to take some photos of the engine and interior. I must take a good look at this awesome engine. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Advanced Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 2832 Registered: 6-2001 |
Jim, a decent number of people who own cars like this fit that profile though. The ones who dont are probably rock stars/actors/pro athletes, internet millionaires (not anymore), and lucky entrepreneurs. im not saying its good to generalize, but the owner is about 50 or so, he was at lime rock this summer in his F40. stereotypes exist for a reason, more people of a certain group are perceieved of fitting a description than those who dont. note that i used the word percieved, as im against stereotypes. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 995 Registered: 10-2002 |
Michael Like all racist, sexist, ageist, intolerant statements your comment says more about you than the adverage Ferrari owner. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 775 Registered: 8-2001 |
Michael, how do you figure? | ||
| Michael Yip (Mightyslash)
Junior Member Username: Mightyslash Post Number: 166 Registered: 4-2002 |
I bet the owner's a white haired white man in his 50s, typical ferrari owner | ||
| Jamil Jamal (Jameel)
Junior Member Username: Jameel Post Number: 96 Registered: 9-2002 |
I wouldn't mind more interior shots! | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 3332 Registered: 8-2002 |
Yes, please: 4 different 3 quarter shots, from all four corners of the car along with SO MANY OTHER SHOTS, everyone else will start to get sick of the car... If you'll have doubles developed and send them to me, snail mail, i'll throw you a couple of bucks (+ whatever the doubles & mail costs)... | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 774 Registered: 8-2001 |
I should be back with the Enzo this weekend, any requests for pictures? | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 769 Registered: 8-2001 |
Jamil, one of the other guys there had a video camera, I'm going to see if I can get that up. | ||
| Jamil Jamal (Jameel)
Junior Member Username: Jameel Post Number: 95 Registered: 9-2002 |
Kenny you have a video of this. Oh, post that up. I would love to see the Enzo in motion on the street. | ||
| D B (Threesixty)
Junior Member Username: Threesixty Post Number: 158 Registered: 8-2002 |
Here's one Ben  | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 3300 Registered: 8-2002 |
Kenny, that is so awesome...! Thanks for the pictures, they're really great...! Congratulatons... Let us know if you ever go on another ride... Sounds like it was a blast... | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 768 Registered: 8-2001 |
Des, I described a bit of the ride on my website, but I'll include some more, just for you lol: Getting in the car for the first time is NOT easy, its pretty similar in difficulty to a Lamborghini Countach, You have to put your butt on the door sill, pump yourself into the seat sideways then throw your legs around. After 2-3 times it gets much easier. The seats are snug, I'm 6'1 160 and it fits me perfectly. They are, hands down, the most comfortable racing seats I have ever sat in. In the car, there isn't too much to play with from a passengers point of view, no electric windows, no radio (besides the monsterous V12 behind you), etc. I was too busy thanking the owner and thinking, "wholly •••• I am in an Enzo!" to really concentrate on the ride. He got on it a couple of times- nothing too serious- but it is hands down the fastest car I have ever been it. I plan on getting some video over the weekend for you. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 3299 Registered: 8-2002 |
Kenny, that's s totally awesome...! Can you tell us how the ride was...? Any high speeds, etc, etc...? That's such a sweet car and it looks so good in red... Kenny, any more you could share would be great... Mr. G, it does look great in black. | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 263 Registered: 6-2002 |
Has anyone gotten any good shots of the carbon tub? I'd like a better look at it's construction. PS: car looks totally sweet, love the ajustable pedal box, and the steering wheel would be gimacky coming from any other manufactuar, but Ferrari gets it right. (F1/champ car style.) Traction Control <click> OFF! Best! Ben. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 767 Registered: 8-2001 |
Fayyaz, please put your request on the page originally specified in this topic- my pictures are on my brothers computer and he can see them through ECF. | ||
| Fayyaz Vellani (Fvellani)
Junior Member Username: Fvellani Post Number: 54 Registered: 8-2002 |
Kenny, do you think you could email me a larger version of the 4th picture from the bottom in this thread (the one with just the drivers side door open)? email is [email protected] Thanks, and you are a very lucky son of a gun | ||
| Jonas Petersen (Karsten335)
Member Username: Karsten335 Post Number: 307 Registered: 11-2002 |
Nice, why am I being dragged in to this discussion. It's 6 months ago now, get over it. I've made my apologies. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 988 Registered: 10-2002 |
William At 30MPH the spoiler begins to raise up. Best Jim | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 766 Registered: 8-2001 |
Tim, Jason, please take it off the board (or at least this topic!), I don't this to get put in the flames and shame section. | ||
| Jason Williams (Pristines4)
Junior Member Username: Pristines4 Post Number: 223 Registered: 12-2002 |
Tim, If you like, I could fax over my DBA and Tax ID - just so get YOUR approval of course (thats: "Doing Business As" and a "Tax Identification" just incase you're uncertain). You seem to be the only one on the site who is questioning me. Wake up on the wrong side of the bed every morning, do ya? | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Advanced Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 2826 Registered: 6-2001 |
hes a 17yo kid who claimed to sell exotics.....(are we seeing a resemblance?) | ||
| Jason Williams (Pristines4)
Junior Member Username: Pristines4 Post Number: 222 Registered: 12-2002 |
LOL - Isn't that the kid who claimed to own a bunch of Ferraris? | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Advanced Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 2825 Registered: 6-2001 |
are you related to this kid jason?  | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2258 Registered: 2-2001 |
well its growing on me. I like the nose better than the F50. It really needs a wing like the F40 & F50. I dont care for Ferraris new anti wing stance. The ground effects on the 360 Challenge cars just are not up to the task, I imagine they are better on the Enzo but it looks like a bob tailed cat Worst part of the design is how the side windows curve upwards while the roof curves downwards, Rather awkward design similair to the old Lancia Stratos rally cars of the 70s. What was that japanese designer thining of when he drew that? Ferrari needs a great Italian designer again | ||
| Johns (Modenaf1fan)
Member Username: Modenaf1fan Post Number: 270 Registered: 11-2002 |
Dapper, were u high while lookin at those pics that is a sweeeet interior even sweeter that the guy lives in ny, i doubt this car will be driven alot cus ny roads,people who cant drive for sh1t, might hurt the baby | ||
| Jason Williams (Pristines4)
Junior Member Username: Pristines4 Post Number: 220 Registered: 12-2002 |
Tim, If you notice the date, that was more than a year ago. And I no longer import JDM or European cars, for anyone. Also, notice the last line: "This car will be brought to you by Pristine Performance, *JDM and Euro Importer*." Can we stop whoring this guy's thread now? I would be happy to discuss this off the forum since this has nothing to do with the Enzo. One question though, as pertaining to this comment: "...and JDM, a company that makes stuff for hondas..." Do you even know what "JDM" stands for? You can email that answer to me. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Advanced Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 2823 Registered: 6-2001 |
http://www.scuderiaferrari.com/forum/_disc3/00000039.htm im suprised that you and JDM, a company that makes stuff for hondas, were importing and selling a 959. | ||
| Jason Williams (Pristines4)
Junior Member Username: Pristines4 Post Number: 218 Registered: 12-2002 |
When did I have a car for sale? | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Advanced Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 2819 Registered: 6-2001 |
Did you sell it already? | ||
| Jason Williams (Pristines4)
Junior Member Username: Pristines4 Post Number: 216 Registered: 12-2002 |
I don't have any cars for sale Tim. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Advanced Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 2818 Registered: 6-2001 |
jason, maybe hes interested in the car you have for sale. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 764 Registered: 8-2001 |
Jason, he's a businessman ;). | ||
| Jason Williams (Pristines4)
Junior Member Username: Pristines4 Post Number: 215 Registered: 12-2002 |
Kenny, If you don't mind, what does the owner do for a living? | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 762 Registered: 8-2001 |
James, taking the cars out for a cruise today? Mind if I join you? -Kenny (914) 645-1344 | ||
| Brad-Mo (007)
Junior Member Username: 007 Post Number: 51 Registered: 2-2003 |
hmmmmm, race mode, hmmmmmmm  | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 984 Registered: 10-2002 |
I just got back from ride in same car. Very special in person. Way cool mechanicals. Shock coolers, beautiful headers. Interior is more like an aircraft. Sound of engine beautiful above 4,000RPM below that as quiet as my Maser. Very low for street and with overhang you need to be very carefull not to bottom out. Normal suspention very stiff but fine. Good ventilation. Good visibility. Looking at it next to my MK-IV you can see it's racing heritage. It's a race car for the street not a GT car. No luggage space. In a few words? Fantastic! Very Special! The real Deal. Best Jim PS. I sat in a yellow one yesterday. Like it in Red much better. I know someone who's getting one in Blue which I think will look great. Black should look great as well. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 761 Registered: 8-2001 |
Sevag, ECF is short for ExoticCarForums.com, the license plate was edited out. Dave, To each his own, but it is definetly much better in person. I'd take raw carbon fiber over leather any day! Brank, Thanks | ||
| Vince (Manatee)
Junior Member Username: Manatee Post Number: 187 Registered: 6-2002 |
The window crank is different - it's the round disc with the knob on the lower front edge of the door. In the pic it's best located by following the horizontal stitching of the driver's seat backrest. Also it seems like there's no "normal" driving mode - it's either "Sport" or "Race" ! I can just hear Homer Simpson saying "mmmm Race Mode mmmmm" | ||
| Dave Penhale (Dapper)
Member Username: Dapper Post Number: 612 Registered: 4-2002 |
Thats got to be the ugliest interior I've ever seen | ||
| Branko Medenica (Branko)
New member Username: Branko Post Number: 15 Registered: 3-2003 |
Beautiful pictures of the most incredible piece of kinetic art I have seen in quite some time. | ||
| sevag saghdejian (Yellowferrari)
New member Username: Yellowferrari Post Number: 2 Registered: 9-2002 |
What's ECF? What kind of a plate is that? | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 760 Registered: 8-2001 |
Matt, I know him from both the track and the internet. | ||
| Matt S (F40only)
Junior Member Username: F40only Post Number: 75 Registered: 3-2003 |
Kenny-How do you know this guy? | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 759 Registered: 8-2001 |
Tim, the pictures I have posted are mostly 800x600 or so, to post them here, I have to re-upload them and re-size them. If you want to do it, go for it. Evan, Rob, Thanks, the car really is amazing. I believe I am going out tomarrow for a nice afternoon drive with a small group of F-cars. I'll get some more good shots. I am going to get alot of F40 vs. Enzo shots if possible. | ||
| Alon Dahan (Alon)
New member Username: Alon Post Number: 9 Registered: 3-2003 |
There are more photos. You should post them too. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Advanced Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 2817 Registered: 6-2001 |
damn, 1 was too big so, so i kept trying but could get it to load, so i x'ed the window, and none loaded. here are the other 2.   | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4369 Registered: 12-2000 |
Great Pics! Thanks. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Advanced Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 2816 Registered: 6-2001 |
dont worry rob, here they are. no need to go through the hassle of registering. there are a few more good ones i'll post for you.  | ||
| Evan Jones (Jonesn)
Junior Member Username: Jonesn Post Number: 83 Registered: 8-2002 |
Nice pics Kenny! I like that website too. | ||
| Tim N (Timn88)
Advanced Member Username: Timn88 Post Number: 2815 Registered: 6-2001 |
why link them to your site, when you can just post them here? Rob doesnt go to your site and post links to here on it, which force you to register to see the pics.     | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4368 Registered: 12-2000 |
Kenny, I have never got an id, so I can't see them. | ||
| Kenny Herman (Kennyh)
Member Username: Kennyh Post Number: 758 Registered: 8-2001 |
http://www.exoticcarforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6820&perpage=10&pagenumber=1 Figured you guys would enjoy the pictures. This car is perfection. |