| Author | Message | ||
| steve Lauren (Steve308gtsi)
New member Username: Steve308gtsi Post Number: 47 Registered: 5-2002 |
Branko, it is the resin type shield and not recessed. Take Care | ||
| Branko Medenica (Branko)
New member Username: Branko Post Number: 17 Registered: 3-2003 |
Steve, checked your profile and noticed you had a scuderia shield on your side fender. Is it enameled or a resin shield? Also, if enameled, is it resessed? | ||
| Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
Member Username: Enjoythemusic Post Number: 339 Registered: 4-2002 |
Steve, >>>When buying any Ferrari check everything out.<<< 100,000% agreed. Excellent advice! Enjoy the Drive, Steven R. Rochlin | ||
| steve Lauren (Steve308gtsi)
New member Username: Steve308gtsi Post Number: 46 Registered: 5-2002 |
For me I prefer the Euro 308 models. When I bought mine I specifically wanted a Euro. Some of the many little details I like that my car has over a US model are the deep front air dam, full rear valance, sport exhaust, etc. Some people try to say they are worth less but I don't feel that way. As long as it has all the release papers, service records, etc it should be fine. Just the same any US car can have a bad history (rebuilt title, flood etc). When buying any Ferrari check everything out. | ||
| Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
Member Username: Enjoythemusic Post Number: 335 Registered: 4-2002 |
Jeff, Alas, sorry you feel a bit empty without your 308 though please understand, she is here safe and sound and continually being improved upon. Spent about eight hours this weekend cleaning the inside hood bits to match your engine handiwork, changed both heater filters, checked/tightened ALL hose clamps that were accessible, etc. This coming winter will mean all new interior. Sorry my friend, she is not for sale and may never be. While i understand you wanting her back, she is here and you CAN feel free to stay the weekend here and get reacquainted. Stay in my humble abode in scenic New England. Have a babbling brook that snakes right next to my home (tranquil and romantic), across the street is a nice river to kayak, etc. You are in the mountains here so the driving roads are **extremely** seductive. Enjoy the Drive, Steven R. Rochlin PS: As you may recall she also now has ALL new emblems, new trunk vinyl, ALL new COMPLETE lighting assemblies other than the Xenons you did, now have ALL proper books/folder/etc, new took kit leather storage bag, original service manuals available only from the factory to dealers, original EURO factory sales book, added missing drivers side under dash foot air/heat vent louvers, new dash lights for the yellow/orange/battery/hazard indicators to replace worn out ones, new license plate holder also employing grommet technique, new emblems on the Etoile rims, and coming soon... new door lock strikers/bolts on both sides, etc. etc. etc. | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 4309 Registered: 5-2001 |
Erik, did you ever buy that 456??? | ||
| Erik R. K. Jonsson (Gamester)
Member Username: Gamester Post Number: 302 Registered: 11-2000 |
My 82 Euro has no exhaust gas analysis port tubes and has no air pumps or ports for the air pumps tubes. The rear decklid is an easy way to spot Euros, as there is no center louver section, only louvers on each side of the engine lid. The rear glass has no defrost lines either. BTW the 82 is nearing readiness for paint- but it needs all the items from the windshield back(plastic, glass, interior, top...) Donations anyone?  Would everyone keep an eye out for an inexpensive hard front hit 308 GTS total? | ||
| Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
Member Username: 308gtb Post Number: 491 Registered: 2-2002 |
Greg, I agree. Even later in the series, the differences between the Euro and US versions are remarkable, but I was referring primarily to the dry sump engine, no catalytic converters, and the weight savings of the fiberglass body and European bumpers in the earliest of the series. Peter, Euro fiberglass 308s were made until about mid-1977. Barry | ||
| Martin - Cavallino Motors (Miami348ts)
Advanced Member Username: Miami348ts Post Number: 4298 Registered: 5-2001 |
When it comes to EURO vs US in the 308s you have virtually NO difference in price. There are always those nay sayers that say nay to the EURO because you are in the US and there is rumors like: - is not legal - is impossible to get parts - is not a true Ferrari All bull. It is a 308 and actually the EURO 308s are the better cars. More advanced, more powerfull and much better looking with the EURO front skirt and the true bumpers. As you can see here there is more people buying EURO or looking for them than US 308s. Damand and Supply and the EURO is worth more not less! | ||
| Greg Owens (Owens84qv)
Member Username: Owens84qv Post Number: 745 Registered: 10-2001 |
Andy, my '84 Euro has two distributors... | ||
| Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
Member Username: Enjoythemusic Post Number: 333 Registered: 4-2002 |
Branko, Agreed and it all comes down to Ferrari trying (struggling) as did other high performance car manufacturers with the then new USA emissions and other regulations (bumpers, etc). So the US spec was detuned, had cats, more weight due to 5mph bumpers... Enjoy the Drive, Steven R. Rochlin | ||
| Andy Falsetta (Tuttebenne)
Junior Member Username: Tuttebenne Post Number: 68 Registered: 3-2003 |
I always found it interesting that Ferrari put two distributors on the US 308s and a single distributor on the Euros. Anybody know why? | ||
| Branko Medenica (Branko)
New member Username: Branko Post Number: 16 Registered: 3-2003 |
Steven, I'm with you. I also much prefer the Euro version. After all this is the way the car was originally designed. Then it had to be modified to meet US specs. | ||
| Greg Owens (Owens84qv)
Member Username: Owens84qv Post Number: 744 Registered: 10-2001 |
Barry, if you park an '84 Euro and an '84 US beside one-another, the quantity of differences is amazing. Even the mid-80's 308s are quite different between Euro and US. | ||
| Gabe V (Racerxgto)
New member Username: Racerxgto Post Number: 3 Registered: 4-2003 |
If I remember, 1975 marked the year in which the first series of 308's were glass bodies. 1977 was the introduction of the GTS in Frankfurt. | ||
| Peter Sedlak (Peters)
Junior Member Username: Peters Post Number: 164 Registered: 1-2003 |
Barry Is a 1977 considered 'early', but its not glass? | ||
| Barry Wolinsky (308gtb)
Member Username: 308gtb Post Number: 490 Registered: 2-2002 |
The difference between the US and Euro versions is most dramatic in the earliest of the 308 series. A Euro fiberglass GTB with its inherent weight savings, dry sump, and single distributor would be the best choice. | ||
| Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
Member Username: Enjoythemusic Post Number: 331 Registered: 4-2002 |
Stu, IMHO if we simply look at features and performance, the Euro surpasses the US model. Those who feel the Euro is valued at 10% less are just trying to save more $$$ and getting more features/performance at the same time IMHO. Look folks, it is not like these things are under warranty (being 18+ years old) and parts availability for BOTH Euro and US are plentiful. The good news is, the Euro is pretty much a "set known" while the US version, as i recall, went through a few more changes during its lifespan. Bottom line: You desire lighter weight, higher performance and more features... then the Euro is clearly a winner. If you want a heavier, lower performance, less features... get the US. This way there are more Euro goodies for those who know better :-) Enjoy the Drive, Steven R. Rochlin | ||
| Jeff Edison (Euro308guy)
Member Username: Euro308guy Post Number: 311 Registered: 7-2002 |
OK, So I can't change my handle. So what? I'll be Euro 308 guy. Who cares? I love those cars anyway and want mine back............ | ||
| Jeff Edison (Euro308guy)
Member Username: Euro308guy Post Number: 310 Registered: 7-2002 |
OK, OK. I'll update my file. Steve is right now I'm 348 TT guy.............. | ||
| stu cordova (Balataboy)
Member Username: Balataboy Post Number: 435 Registered: 4-2001 |
Peter, When I was looking for a 308, I was looking primarily at Euro's, as I prefer them to US models. I was told the rule of thunb was to discount the Euro 10% just because, but I don't think that's justified. Everything being completely equal, I think the values are the same, or at least directly related to which model the buyer is wanting. In my case, i was actually willing to pay MORE for a Euro - simply beacuse that's what I wanted! Good luck! | ||
| Peter Sedlak (Peters)
Junior Member Username: Peters Post Number: 152 Registered: 1-2003 |
Steven Thanks for the book tip. I just placed an order for a copy on Amazon. I trust I will like it! | ||
| Steven R. Rochlin (Enjoythemusic)
Member Username: Enjoythemusic Post Number: 330 Registered: 4-2002 |
Hi Everyone, First, am no "expert" per Jeff Edison yet have been learning as much as possible through MANY websites, Ex-employees of Ferrari, and other resources (books, etc). As for the difference of a TRUE Euro vs US. 8.8 verses 9.2 compression. The Erro is about 300 lbs lighter. The Euro is a few inches shorter due to bumper difference. Also, the lighting on a Euro is different with passing lights... There is great book titled "Original Ferrari V8" by Keith Bluemel. Amazon.com sells it. As for "worth", to many variables to account for. Milage, condition, have any upgrades been made... As for the sump... most Euro 308 are wet. As for Jeff's car... it is now in my "stable" as Jeff purchased a 348 Norwood tweaked unit. Hope this helps. Enjoy the Drive (100 miles today with the top off :-) ), Steven R. Rochlin PS: Jeff's old car, now in my stable, has gome through more upgrades as i have been busy refining her while also restoring her. | ||
| Steve Magnusson (91tr)
Intermediate Member Username: 91tr Post Number: 1651 Registered: 1-2001 |
Jeff E. -- At least update your Profile (the pics OK, but F car description is obsolete) if you're not going to change your Username (but why not "348 tt guy"?). | ||
| michael marchese (Bigdog)
Junior Member Username: Bigdog Post Number: 80 Registered: 8-2001 |
Jeff yours does look different, is that twin turbo's I see and is that the 2 liter? It IS different than other QV's I've seen. | ||
| michael marchese (Bigdog)
Junior Member Username: Bigdog Post Number: 79 Registered: 8-2001 |
Jeff yours does look different, is that twin turbo's I see and is that the 2 liter? It IS different that other QV's I've seen. | ||
| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 3717 Registered: 8-2002 |
Peter And if they keep the current trend of uping it one year a year, You are looking at 4 year until your 77 is excempt, which means....2 more smog tests after this one you have coming up. Matt | ||
| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 3716 Registered: 8-2002 |
Peter, Keep them installed until you no longer need them. It will save you $$$$ in case you get a "test only" next time. Also, They may push back the exception year or keep it 1973. Do mess with "the man". They can make your life most unpleasent. Matt | ||
| Ken Ross (Kdross)
Member Username: Kdross Post Number: 304 Registered: 2-2002 |
The general rule is that Euro 308's are worthless than a US 308 by several thousand. With that said, I know several people who went out of their way to purchase a Euro 308 for reasons previously mentioned. | ||
| Peter Sedlak (Peters)
Junior Member Username: Peters Post Number: 150 Registered: 1-2003 |
Speaking of smog, the dealer (three months ago) sold me the car thinking it was exempt from smog....Wrong! DMV came back and stated a smog cert was needed! In parallel to this, the engine is being pulled for a gearbox rebuild (after a $8.5K major on the engine). There is no smog components on the car (the prior owner had a 'friend' in the smog biz). So here I am along with a $2500 custom tuned exhaust I had built. The dealer in Marin is working with my mechanic to provide 100% of the smog components + labor to make it right, only to take all of the components off the car when I have a smog cert in hand! Question: The car is two years away from being exempt from smog certification. I will keep all of the components in a box. I will not be selling the car any time soon. Should I give the components to some one that may need them more than I do when all of the dust settles? The county that I live in does not require smogs every two years like most counties. | ||
| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 3713 Registered: 8-2002 |
Euro's in California are a lot harder to smog here. | ||
| Greg Owens (Owens84qv)
Member Username: Owens84qv Post Number: 742 Registered: 10-2001 |
Peter, I'm not sure about the true worth of a Euro 308 versus US 308, I guess it depends on the buyer. I like the fact that my Euro 308 ('84 QV) is probably one of 75, 100? imported into the US that year. My car has no cats or other emissions crap which gives it a little more exhaust whine that US 308s. The vast majority of the 308's you'll see are US spec cars. To date, I haven't had any problems getting parts...so far. | ||
| Branko Medenica (Branko)
New member Username: Branko Post Number: 14 Registered: 3-2003 |
Jeff, I just looked at your profile. Is that a picture of your Euro 308 engine? If it is, it sure does not look like mine. What did you do? | ||
| Jeff Edison (Euro308guy)
Member Username: Euro308guy Post Number: 309 Registered: 7-2002 |
Contact Steve Rochlin. He's an expert on this one. BTW- Euro's aren't dry sump except a few early ones............ | ||
| mike 308 (Concorde)
Junior Member Username: Concorde Post Number: 165 Registered: 8-2002 |
"regular" Euro 308's are more rare here in the U.S. than the U.S. models. They tend to have slightly more power than their U.S. cousins, and also have dry sump oiling, which can be an advantage if you track the car much. However, you have the disadvantage of occassionally have a part that is more difficult to get. As far as value, apples to apples the euros tend to sell for the same as the U.S. versions, presuming the euros have all their D.O.T. paperwork with them. | ||
| Dr Tommy Cosgrove (Vwalfa4re)
Intermediate Member Username: Vwalfa4re Post Number: 1080 Registered: 5-2001 |
The turbo was a 208 (2 liter engine). Cheaper taxes for under 3 liters in Italy. I have only seen one my entire life. | ||
| Gabe V (Racerxgto)
New member Username: Racerxgto Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2003 |
I think he meant 308 series. When you say Euro 308's, do you mean right hand drive features? The Twin Turbo version? Rare finds in the 308 series are the fiberglass bodies. Out of all the 308 series, they hold the most value, providing you can find one. This statement came from Mr. Pininferina himself(Concours 2001) "Enzo requested that I discontinue the fiberglass body, for it was more notable to the American Corvette" Therefore the fiberglass series was discontinued. | ||
| stephen r chong (Ethans_dad)
Junior Member Username: Ethans_dad Post Number: 197 Registered: 3-2002 |
If you use modern Ferraris as a yardstick, they should be 'valued' less than a US market car. Don't understand why though... ie. Euro 360's are well below US Modenas. | ||
| Peter Sedlak (Peters)
Junior Member Username: Peters Post Number: 148 Registered: 1-2003 |
With like condition, miles, year, etc., is a 308 Euro worth more than a US 308? Is a Euro model more rare than a US? |