| Author | Message | ||
| William Badurski (Billb)
Junior Member Username: Billb Post Number: 166 Registered: 6-2001 |
Well put and accurate response from wm hart. | ||
| Rijk Rietveld (Rijk365gtb4)
Junior Member Username: Rijk365gtb4 Post Number: 171 Registered: 1-2002 |
The Daytona takes a much longer time to warm up, so the car is totally unsuitable for short distances. It also does not like traffic, since most will run a little rich. I also requires some attention starting it up and putting it away. If you are in the right location and have time for all this, go for it. The car will love you for it. The more I drive my Daytona, the better it gets, but I will never take it for any short drives. Most of my drives are 100+ miles Rijk | ||
| Bart Duesler (The_bart)
New member Username: The_bart Post Number: 37 Registered: 1-2003 |
I have never driven a Daytona but I do know it is about 30 years old. My 550 is much newer. Both were made by the same organization and have a similar body & engine. I am putting about 8 � 10,000 miles per year on my beast. Both represent the finest in personal motor cars of its era. | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Junior Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 56 Registered: 4-2003 |
I'm certainly not laughing about you using a classic Fiat as daily drive. I've done so myself for years with a 1964 Fiat 2300S Coupe (Bi-fuel: gasoline / LPG !!!!) for around 13,000 miles a year. Still have it but it needs a fresh engine now and simply haven't had the time. Oooooh the roar from those Webers is Swiss tunnels.... VROAAAAAAAAAAR !!!!!!!! :-D Jack | ||
| rich (Dino2400)
Junior Member Username: Dino2400 Post Number: 169 Registered: 10-2001 |
We've had new cars for my wife of course, but for the past five years I've mostly driven 60s-70s cars myself. Yes, they are uncomfortable compared to modern cars, but I prefer their "honesty" and I have never been stranded on the side of the road. And you're going to laugh when you hear the maker of these cars: Fiat! If I can drive a Fiat as a daily, surely a Daytona would get the job done. No old car is reliable in the sense that you can drive them and not ever work on them, but if you are the sort who knows how to inspect the car and keep a close eye and ear on it and replace things that could go wrong, then it's no problem. The only time I had to call a tow truck was when I had the notorious UFI oil filter gasket failure on the Fiat Dino. Luckily I was only 2 miles from home! I drove that car over 13k miles in a year, no problem. I have no experience owning a Ferrari but I can't imagine them being any more fragile than my silly Fiats. Admitedly, I don't have to pay to have my cars worked on in a shop which makes it convenient (I can do maintenance in the evening and be back on the road the next day) and cheaper. My choice for a highway commuter Ferrari would probably be the Dino 246, just because it is such a simple car to work on myself and parts are easily available. One of these days... But it's obvious Dan has the resources to keep a Daytona reliably on the road as well so as long as the parking is secure and he has other cars to use for shopping and whatnot, I think it would be fabulous to encourage him to go vintage! Somebody has to drive these cars you know! They're begging for it! | ||
| Manu (Manu)
Member Username: Manu Post Number: 700 Registered: 2-2002 |
To be honest you are not comparing like for like Dan... The Daytona can be nothing more than a toy - even when it was designed some 30 years ago - it had nothing like daily use in mind - it is not, as Jim said, a daily driver sooooo it's GOT to be the 550 which is superior is pretty much every aspect. I reckon the Daytona is for people who have owned a few Ferraris already (or have a couple in the garage currently) and are looking for a very specific "seminal 60's front-engined V12 Ferrari experience." On that basis you must be prepared to forgive the wonderful Daytona, it's many faults (compared to todays cars). All IMO of course.  - Good Luck either way! | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 936 Registered: 12-2001 |
PSK: no one here (to my knowledge) is advocating cutting an existing coupe. As to beauty, the open Daytona is a classic, and from what i understand (Bill B., Jim G. and others can correct me if i'm wrong), the authorized cars "cut" by Scaglietti are also "hack jobs" on what were coupes. Given that it is a 30 year old car, with poor rustproofing, etc., the conversions, if well done, actually revived cars that would, today, be in a questionable state. I too, like the look of the coupe's roof line. But i also like open air motoring. And, in v-12 land, there aren't many options. BTW, the "cut" cars have not been suffering in the market lately compared to the coupes, if you look at recent auction results. And, honestly, if you are looking for a recreational vehicle, driven within reason on public roads, i will tell you that the limits of the 550 are so high that you'll be in jail before you can see the performance difference between the Maranello and Daytona on the road. For reliability, the newer car is better, but if we were looking for reliability, i assume we'd be talking about japanese cars. | ||
| William Badurski (Billb)
Junior Member Username: Billb Post Number: 165 Registered: 6-2001 |
Much as I love Daytonas (had three), for a "daily driver" the new car is probably a better choice. But for the pure fun, the Daytona can't be beat. "Cut" Daytonas are not always "butchered". In fact, some are as good as the original. There's a lot of bad press out there about these cars, and sometimes it's undeserved. I've been back and forth having owned new Ferraris, then old ones for the last 27 years. I'm solidly back with an old one, a Daytona "cut" spyder and I wouldn't trade it for anything short of an Enzo. But back to your original question... why ask us? Drive them both and decide what hits your own hot button. | ||
| Rijk Rietveld (Rijk365gtb4)
Junior Member Username: Rijk365gtb4 Post Number: 161 Registered: 1-2002 |
Car and driver, november 97 Best for oh-my-God, hang on performance: Maranello Best all-souls-repent performance: Daytona Best bloody noises: Daytona Best leather luxury: Maranello Best for driving to your reunion at Ole Miss: Maranello Best for driving to your reunion at Yale: Daytona Best long distance, high-speed tourer: Maranello Best potential Cannonball winner: Daytona Best for dating Sigourney Weaver: Daytona Best for dating Pamela Lee: Maranello Best head turner on Rodeo drive: Maranello Best head turner on Worth Avenue: Daytona Best damn-the-torpedos fun to drive: Daytona Best real mother-lode Ferrari: Daytona Best appearance: You pick 'em Best intelligent transportation: Honda Accord Best long term investment: Type 57 Bugatty | ||
| Manu (Manu)
Member Username: Manu Post Number: 699 Registered: 2-2002 |
That 575M looks sooo good...... Black for sure... for SURE.. | ||
| Dr. Shelbee (Shelbee)
Junior Member Username: Shelbee Post Number: 214 Registered: 12-2002 |
Dan, I like the look of the 550 too rather than the 575M. The classic front bumper with fog lights. I heard that the 575M has a "cadillac feel" because of Skyhook suspension. Therefore people got it with tighter suspension with Fiorano Handling package. Here are two 550s for you. One in the East cost with 15000 miles and one in the West coast with only 6000+ miles. Off course Black/black. I am getting anxious and excited for you to get the 550 Good luck. You won't regret it. Post the photos when you get it. http://www.dupontregistry.com/search/srDetails.asp?itemid=89421&sessionkey={33A57373-9663-4DF5-B6A8-E87A7E49D1BC} http://www.dupontregistry.com/search/srDetails.asp?itemid=98050&sessionkey={33A57373-9663-4DF5-B6A8-E87A7E49D1BC} | ||
| JRV (Jrvall)
Intermediate Member Username: Jrvall Post Number: 1267 Registered: 11-2002 |
The 550 Maranello HANDS DOWN...30 yrs newer... just absolutely no way to compare the 2 cars in a modern drivability contest...one of Ferraris REAL Hallmarks is that each newer model was better in every way than the model it replaced...and having been around the last 30 yrs seeing each new model hit ground, it's been one of the most impressive aspects of the company and a true testiment to thier talents, abilities and passion. The 550's are an absolute JOY to drive fast & slow...one of the finest GT cars ever built (so far) IMO. Burgundy/Tan...Mmmmmmmm | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 394 Registered: 9-2002 |
Pete, while I can appreciate the view, I have two points of contention: 1) some of the cut cars, as Bill has made me aware of, are just as good if not better than the originals. 2) I'm not taking an existing car and cutting it, I would be looking for a well-done conversion. But, having said that, I can understand your POV. --Dan | ||
| PSk (Psk)
Member Username: Psk Post Number: 379 Registered: 11-2002 |
Hmmm, Why do you guys like CUT Daytona's, is the pull of the convertible so bad in the USA that you want to own a butched car? Surely the resale value is completely stuffed and once you get into Classics, original cars are the way to go. To me a CUT Daytona will be as bad as the many cars that used to come to my father's garage for registration inspections with V8s stuffed in some poor little car and the rest of the car was not designed or engineered for this great lump of an engine. The only Daytona convertible that was ever done right and will work as FERRARI intended was the ones they made the rest are just bastards, and ruin an awesome looking car, with one of the best roof lines of any car ever designed. Saying that the convertible Daytona is a good looking car ... If I was really wealthy I would buy these cut cars are get and Italian coach builder to put the roof BACK on Just buy a coupe, and yep from what I have read the steering in the Daytona will make it not as easy to live with as the Maranello (which is a coupe BTW). Maybe you should get the 550 Barchetta and then own a genuine Ferrari. Pete ps: I know I am extreme with my view points, but people like me who do not have the funds that a lot of you guys have, dream about owning a Ferrari one day ... and some of you rich guys keep on buy nice original cars and cutting their bloody roofs off thus reducing the number of nice original Ferraris that people like me might one day have the chance to own. Why not buy a Maserati Glibli spyder ... better looking than the Daytona convertible and you do not have to reduce the number of nice and original classics for the rest of us. | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 392 Registered: 9-2002 |
Dr. - I actually, believe it or not, like the look of the 550 better. The interior isn't quite up to snuff, but the exterior surpasses it. That and, for all of the advancements offered by F1, I prefer to shift myself. A little more involving. THanks for the look-out, though. --Dan | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 724 Registered: 1-2002 |
No brainer. 550. | ||
| Dr. Shelbee (Shelbee)
Junior Member Username: Shelbee Post Number: 210 Registered: 12-2002 |
Dan, how about this 03 575M F1 Black/black?? MSRP sells for $242k.     | ||
| EFWUN (Efwun)
Member Username: Efwun Post Number: 524 Registered: 2-2003 |
Opening the exhaust on a 550 (venturi center pipes and Tubo-solo Tubi) helps with the visceral appeal of the 550. (Still doesn't have that intoxicating intake wail, or the scream of the chains). The 550 is worlds faster, far more comfy, has A/c that conditions the air, real brakes, etc., etc., etc. To my eye, the 550 is also gorgeous, while the Daytona (that I lusted over in my youth) looks a wee bit old. | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2282 Registered: 2-2001 |
Bay Area ? I lived in SF for 2 years, its bloody cold in SF almost all year long, forget the spyder | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 390 Registered: 9-2002 |
Thanks for the input. The appeal of a daytona, versus the practicality of a Maranello. I'm in the bay area, which means I'm 30 minutes from anything, and it's mainly highway driving. More likely than not, a Maranello is the way I'll go. Now the tricky bit, finding a solid Black/black car. Hmm. --Dan | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2277 Registered: 2-2001 |
daily driver always go new, it gets Hot in LA & the 365 will most likely overheat and the AC is not so good, is vaporlock an issuewith Daytona's ? The other thing its better to have a complete Ferrari rather than a cut car cus the complete Ferrari will maintain its value better than the cut car | ||
| Dr. Shelbee (Shelbee)
Junior Member Username: Shelbee Post Number: 209 Registered: 12-2002 |
Hi Dan, Off course Maranello!!!! Here is the one side by side with Daytona to refresh your memory. Post the photos when you get it   | ||
| ross koller (Ross)
Intermediate Member Username: Ross Post Number: 1069 Registered: 3-2002 |
not to sound like clinton, but whats your definition of 'daily'? if your garage to secure garage commute is less than 20 minutes, and you don't do much else (and you have some form of back-up), then the daytona could probably handle it. if its more like an hour, lots of traffic, tight or unguarded parking and no back-up, then forget daytona. i agree with your valuation argument since 550's will continue to lose over the next 3-5 years, whereas daytonas are stable to rising. the cut aspect is a curve best dealt with carefully - whart seems to have a few answers he's be willing to share. just my 2 cts | ||
| Terry Springer (Tspringer)
Member Username: Tspringer Post Number: 453 Registered: 4-2002 |
I drive 30 year old cars as daily's. Sorta. The key is to have more than one and have a "beater" as a backup. I have a '69 Porsche and the '77 308. I also have a beat up but very reliable 1989 Isuzu Trooper to beat around in and as backup. | ||
| Mr. Doody (Doody)
Member Username: Doody Post Number: 981 Registered: 11-2001 |
Jim is spot-on IMO. doody. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1001 Registered: 10-2002 |
30 year old cars are not daily drivers. Maser coupes and 550's are daily drivers. 30 year old cars are sunday drivers. Best Jim | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Member Username: Whart Post Number: 917 Registered: 12-2001 |
The other consideration (cause i'm on my second 550 and have been looking for the right "cut" daytona) is that the latter may need serious attention, at high cost. Also, who cut the car, how well was it done, chassis flex, etc. (There have been some other threads discussing this). Good Luck. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 3285 Registered: 9-2001 |
for almost daily - 550. | ||
| Vince (Manatee)
Junior Member Username: Manatee Post Number: 190 Registered: 6-2002 |
The Maranello has power steering, much better brakes, superior a/c, comfortable, the list goes on and on. 30 years of improvements. For an "almost daily driver", no question but a Maranello. I'm not so sure a "cut Daytona" will hold it's value as much as an original Daytona. | ||
| Dan (Bobafett)
Member Username: Bobafett Post Number: 389 Registered: 9-2002 |
I know this has been beaten to death somewhat, but I'm very torn on the issue. Looking for an 'almost' daily driver, and the two considerations are a 99/00 Maranello (black on black, of course) or a Daytona cut car, probably red on tan. Both cars are just about equally priced, and cost about the same to maintain. They're both driveable, and I'm not too big on creature comforts. The top-down aspect, esp. in CA, is a big plus (although it is a manual top, I realize). So, with the Maranello we have understated elegance, power and then some, modern amenities, subtlety, refinement. The Daytona, on the other hand, offers raunchy sex appeal, top down motoring, noise to die for, and will more than likely appreciate rather than depreciate, at least more so than a maranello. But, I'm completely on the fence, and at this point only one is an option. So, let's hear a compelling case for either. --Dan |