| Author | Message | ||
| Eric Eiland (Eric308gtsiqv)
Member Username: Eric308gtsiqv Post Number: 749 Registered: 11-2001 |
LOL, William! | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2311 Registered: 2-2001 |
My 512TR usually wins the very prestigious yet esoteric "most McDonalds Bags" award. On the track she always bring home the "I kicked your Azz" trophy  | ||
| Edvar van Daalen (Evandaalen)
Junior Member Username: Evandaalen Post Number: 116 Registered: 10-2001 |
Ken, I enjoyed your story. At the Cavallino Classic 2002 I joined the judges in the Testarossa class as a kind of "assistant". It was a wonderful experience and I really learned a lot. At the CC, the current production models are not judged, so the problem of judging "delivery miles only" Ferraris won't occur over there. But even at the Testarossa class, almost all cars were near 100 points. I mean, you really have to look at the smallest things to find things to deduct points. A good eye is as important as knowledge. I mean, even with modern cars it's hard to know if something is original or not, so it's impossible to know everything. I feel sorry for the persons who have to judge the 550 Barchetta class in ten years or so .... What I also like of the CC, is that there is no first / second / third price. I mean, if three cars have 99.5 points, they ALL get the platinum award. So, less chance for useless fights ... Final thing: just do it Rob. Take a class where you have some decent knowledge of (328 class?). I really enjoyed it and I also learned a lot! It was worth it! Grtx, Edvar | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4451 Registered: 12-2000 |
Thanks Ken, that was the type of non text book information I was looking for. The text book will already be provided. | ||
| Ken Ross (Kdross)
Member Username: Kdross Post Number: 311 Registered: 2-2002 |
Rob: I have judged several FCA events during the past 5 years and here is my .02. First, never judge the newer cars. You are in a no win situation in these classes and only create enemies. How can you judge a brand new 550/575/360? Case in point. Several years ago a friend of mine wanted to judge and was assigned the 550/456 class. There were about 6-8 cars - all with under 400 miles. It basically came down to who had the cleanest floor mats. That is silly. (we now have a rule where the car has to be at least 2 years old which helps some). The result was that he had several angry owners looking for him after the meet to tell him what an A-hole he was. Second, never judge the older cars. These classes should be left to the experts. I personally will not judge any car older than the 246 Dino since I do not feel comfortable with my knowledge of the older cars. While I love the Daytona's and 275 GTB's and can spot a nice car, I do not know the cars well enough to spot non original incorrect items. Perhaps with time this will change. (on a plus side, the same cars usually attend the events and you get to know the cars). For a first time judge, and those judges who need a security blanket (like me), stick with the 308/328/348/355/TR classes. There are usually a large number of examples of these cars and it will be easier to judge. I have seen cars within the same class that ranged from a perfect 100 point car (very rare) to a beater that I was embarrassed to judge. Another plus with judging these classes are that the owners tend to be easier to deal with. They want to learn about their car and want to know why we are deducting points. They will then go home and correct the necessary items. The 575/360 crowd tends to be new money with the expectation of winning and can become rather rude when they do not get a trophy. I actually enjoyed judging the 308 class (usually the largest class at my local events with 20-30 cars) during my first several times as a judge. At the time, I was in the process of locating a 308 for myself and I learned a lot about the cars and their owners. At the time, I thought I knew everything there was to know about the 308. Only after judging them did I learn that I did not know everything there was to know about the 308. The only downside with judging the 308 class was that it was usually the largest class and took most of the day to judge. As a result, my time to mingle and look at the other cars was limited. The owners of the rare and classic cars who have spent large sums of money (275 GTB's, 375MM, 166 MM, etc) have to be dealt with "an older and experienced judge" who can justify his decision. This judge also needs to have great skills as a diplomat. Unfortunately, the classic Ferrari's are becoming rare at FCA and FOC concours events, so you do not want to discourage anyone from attending. This may explain the large number of "special" awards for the older cars. Best of show, best restored, best unrestored, most historically significant car, etc are all attempts I believe to encourage the owners of the rare and older Ferrari's to attend the various concours events. I strongly support these attempts and would like to encourage any owner of a rare or classic Ferrari to dust off their car and to attend their local FCA or FOC events. While I enjoy the newer 575/360/456 Ferrari�s, the older classics are truly missed. Rob, if you have any other questions please feel free to contact me. Ken [email protected] | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1017 Registered: 10-2002 |
Don't forget what Leonardo said: "Never make something too perfect. It offends the creator." | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2307 Registered: 2-2001 |
I have several friends who are judges. One highly respected body shop owner told me that some restorers will take points away from a car if his shop didnt do the work. Thats Fk'd up | ||
| "The Don" (Mlemus)
Advanced Member Username: Mlemus Post Number: 3921 Registered: 8-2002 |
$10's and $20's in small, unmarked envelops | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4449 Registered: 12-2000 |
I might be a first time judge at the FCA South Central meet in May. We will have experienced judges leading us and I have some documentation, I just really wanted to hear the FC communities perspective from a judging and judged perspective. The good and the bad. | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 3322 Registered: 9-2001 |
what perspective do you want? I have heard lots of stories about politics and judges judging cars that they prevoisly owned etc etc. | ||
| Rob Lay (Rob328gts)
Board Administrator Username: Rob328gts Post Number: 4448 Registered: 12-2000 |
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