| Author | Message | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1471 Registered: 8-2002 |
Manfred, thanks for the pics but, as Jack has pointed out, this car is 002C, a rebodied 166 Spyder Corsa not a 166 Touring Barchetta. Here is an image of what 002C looked like before this rebody and how it looks today: http://www.barchetta.cc/Common/Images/SN/002C/XLarge/166.Spyder.Corsa.002C.010.jpg | ||
| Manfred Heger (Mondi991)
New member Username: Mondi991 Post Number: 36 Registered: 4-2003 |
Hi Jack, here are the Pics ( don�t worry about quality) I meant.    | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Junior Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 65 Registered: 4-2003 |
Wayne, Yes it is in the "Ferrari Photographs" section just like the photo of 2613 that I relayed earlier today. To see the whole section at one glance, use this link: http://www.ferraristuff.com/index.html?target=dept_112.html&lang=en-us Jack | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1464 Registered: 8-2002 |
Interesting. This is the first time I've actually seen an image of 002C with the Motto coachwork. Jack is that photo for sale on your site? | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Junior Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 62 Registered: 4-2003 |
Ok, mystery seems resolved... I just talked to Massini and this is what he produced: >>> This car is clearly 1947 166 Spider Corsa, serial number #002 C, which in 1952 was REBODIED by Carrozzeria Rocco Motto (Ca-Mo) of Torino into a Barchetta, fitted with a chromed surrounding and chromed spears on both corners of the front grille (below headlamps) and painted deep red. This was done by Ca-Mo right before 002 C was sold by Renato Nocentini's Garage La Rotunda in Florence to Dr. Samuel Scher in New York. It is a one-off, only one such body was made and on this chassis number only. In the meantime, this body has been removed and the car (002 C) rebodied back into original Spider Corsa body. The old Motto body belongs today to Edmond Williman of Briarcliff Manor/NY. <<< Makes sense? Jack | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1463 Registered: 8-2002 |
Okay, now I'm at work (without any resources!) and I'm taking a closer look at this car. My immediate observations: 1. Upper body line from front fender to rear is more-or-less straight. Most Vignale barchettas either dip along the cockpit area or bulge over the rear wheel. Touring = 1pt 2. The car completely lacks the characteristic ridge that runs along the side of the touring barchettas. Vignale = 1pt 3. The chrome strip along the lower side is characteristic of Vignale, but the lack of portholes is not. No points. Further investigation is required... | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Junior Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 61 Registered: 4-2003 |
My "gut feel" also tells me "Vignale" without any further proof of course. I have gone through Massini's book back and forth a dozen times but can not find a really close resemblance. The car in the picture doesn't have any "portholes" in the front fender while most Vignale barchetta's in Massini's book have portholes of some kind. Also the complete absence of a windshield arrangement doesn't bring me any closer... :-( Jack | ||
| John G (Heat_seeker_ws6)
New member Username: Heat_seeker_ws6 Post Number: 25 Registered: 12-2002 |
Here's a pic of a friend's '53 166 MM for comparison-  | ||
| L. Wayne Ausbrooks (Lwausbrooks)
Intermediate Member Username: Lwausbrooks Post Number: 1462 Registered: 8-2002 |
I'm going to disagree with Manfred on the Touring bodywork. It's obvious the front end of this car has been modified by the owner but the rest of the car looks like a Vignale design. If I'm correct, then this car should be in Massini's Vignale book. A quick look confirms what I'd suspected, that there wouldn't be any photos of the car with this highly modified front end (or else I'm sure I would've remembered it), but it will take more time to go through and examine each car more closely for something that matches this barchetta. Unfortunately I have to get ready for work now, so more on this later... | ||
| Manfred Heger (Mondi991)
New member Username: Mondi991 Post Number: 35 Registered: 4-2003 |
Hi Jack , I don�t think so, will send some pictures tomorrow, have to leave now, Sorry Regards Manfred | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Junior Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 59 Registered: 4-2003 |
Hi Manfred, I am not entirely sure about the 166... The large grill could make it a 340. What puzzles me most is the odd grill surround (not only puzzles me but some other people too...). I would like to try and narrow it down to the exact S/N of the car but I have never seen that grill surround before and also the racenumber on the side (168) hasn't brought me any closer to resolving it. All help is welcome also on identifying which event the car was raced at with that # 168. Jack | ||
| Manfred Heger (Mondi991)
New member Username: Mondi991 Post Number: 34 Registered: 4-2003 |
Hi Jack, I think this is an 166 MM Touring Barchetta build from 1948 - 1950 ( 24 Cars). V 12 , 1995 ccm , 120 / 140 HP with 3 Weber DCF Carburetors. | ||
| Jack Habits (Ferraristuff)
Junior Member Username: Ferraristuff Post Number: 57 Registered: 4-2003 |
I have this photograph of a Barchetta but have been unable to identify it so far. The back has some text which leads me to believe it was advertised in the USA. See attached scans below. Anybody who can identify it? Jack   |