| Author | Message | ||
| Schumi (Schumi)
Junior Member Username: Schumi Post Number: 116 Registered: 6-2002 |
Part of the reason I purchased a 400i was its understated looks - and because I am poor! Hardly anyone knows what it is - until they hear it. | ||
| GThomas (Ferrariartist)
Junior Member Username: Ferrariartist Post Number: 97 Registered: 2-2003 |
i agree with the "looks best in dark colours" opinion.. i've seen black and i believe Symbolic has a dark blue one for sale... been on their web site for quite some time... Shumi... yours looks fantastic.. nice shot... theres one roaming around in town here... a brown one - either a 400 or 412... only seen glimpses as it drives by... definitly a "different" shape for a Ferrari...i assume it allows one to have an exotic AND a Ferrari V12.. but blend in a little more... GT | ||
| Bruno (Originalsinner)
Intermediate Member Username: Originalsinner Post Number: 1070 Registered: 5-2002 |
nice car | ||
| Rijk Rietveld (Rijk365gtb4)
Junior Member Username: Rijk365gtb4 Post Number: 174 Registered: 1-2002 |
The 400's have a 3-speed GM tranny, I guess they did not change that for the 412. That is what made the 5sp much faster and thus the one to get (as in: it is better to get a 400 5sp than a 412 auto). Rijk | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 475 Registered: 9-2002 |
Just wondering are the 400/412 autos 3 or 4 speed? (I doubt that they are 5) | ||
| Ton Visser (Lion315)
Member Username: Lion315 Post Number: 431 Registered: 12-2002 |
Schumi, Thanks for the picture! The car is absolutely stunning in black! Ton | ||
| Simon Campbell (Simonc)
Junior Member Username: Simonc Post Number: 89 Registered: 2-2002 |
I have a 1977 400 auto, #21557. I've had it since 1977, and I love it. For more info on these cars, including the restoration of mine, have a look at http://www.400register.com/ | ||
| William H (Countachxx)
Intermediate Member Username: Countachxx Post Number: 2326 Registered: 2-2001 |
Oh, i thought you were talking about the 412P | ||
| Schumi (Schumi)
Junior Member Username: Schumi Post Number: 115 Registered: 6-2002 |
So far I have had no electronic problems and everthing works perfectly. I replaced the clutch, had some valve work done, and the starter needed a new solenoid. Thats it. I hear people talking about electrical problems but I have never heard it from an owner. | ||
| Mikel T (Mikel)
New member Username: Mikel Post Number: 3 Registered: 4-2003 |
Hi Schumi, Beautifull 400.  For what I have been told the engine is bulletproof but the weak point are the electronics. You just have to open the bonnet to see the complexity. Some people say they have few problems and others say it is full of problems. What is your point of view as an owner ? take care, Mikel. | ||
| Schumi (Schumi)
Junior Member Username: Schumi Post Number: 114 Registered: 6-2002 |
I currently own a 1982 5-speed 400iGT and love it. The sound this car makes is awesome - I think. The 412 has different wheels and a higher deck lid than the 365-400i and a little bigger motor - both add to its top speed albeit marginally. Also, the 412 has ABS. IMHO the 400i is a better looking car - especially in black as mine is. Here is a picture for Ton.  | ||
| Ton Visser (Lion315)
Member Username: Lion315 Post Number: 428 Registered: 12-2002 |
Yes Rijk, You are right (as always). They have a chain instead of a belt. That will definitely keep the costs down a bit. Ton | ||
| Rijk Rietveld (Rijk365gtb4)
Junior Member Username: Rijk365gtb4 Post Number: 172 Registered: 1-2002 |
The 400 and 412 have timing chains rather than belts, so, no engine out service | ||
| Ton Visser (Lion315)
Member Username: Lion315 Post Number: 427 Registered: 12-2002 |
But I think that in the front engined V12 the engine does not have to be removed during inspection. That will definitely keep the costs down a bit. But servicing a Ferrari (especially at a Ferrari dealership) will cost you a small fortune. Ton | ||
| Jens Haller (Jh280774)
Member Username: Jh280774 Post Number: 494 Registered: 9-2001 |
Mikel, You got it perfectly right with the toys To be honest I think that a minor or major service for a 412i at an official Ferrari dealer will cost a bit more than 3000$. Can easily be around 4000-5000 Euro. At least that�s what they normally charge you for a eight cylinder Ferrari (Major is engine out and cambelt change, minor is without complete engine out). A twelve cylinder Fcar takes normally some more money to spend for maintenance (Horrible stories about TRs when something breaks). Still Ferraris are normally very reliable when well maintained. Major breakdowns only occur when the car was not serviced according to plan or from someone who is simply not able to do it right. Con saluti cordialissimi, Jens Haller | ||
| Mikel T (Mikel)
New member Username: Mikel Post Number: 2 Registered: 4-2003 |
Hi Jens, I have always wanted to own a 12 cylinder Ferrari. Of course I love the how the V8s sound, no doubt V8 powered Ferraris are masterpieces but I really like the smoothness and the refinement of the ferrari V12s. I know they can cost a fortune to run. I have been told that a tune up of a 412 can cost 3000 $, correct ? I live in Spain and fortunately emission control isn't a problem here. As a friend says: big boys need big toys. Take care, Mikel. | ||
| Ton Visser (Lion315)
Member Username: Lion315 Post Number: 426 Registered: 12-2002 |
Frank, I also believe that the cars will hold their value! It will always be a Ferrari V12!! Do you have any pics of the 400GT? Ton | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2143 Registered: 9-2001 |
I had a 1977 400GT 5 speed and loved it. I bought and later sold it for around $28,000. | ||
| Ton Visser (Lion315)
Member Username: Lion315 Post Number: 425 Registered: 12-2002 |
Mikel, I agree with Jens. It is definitely a very elegant V12 Ferrari. There have been some remarks (also on this board) about the automatic transmission which must be an american type of transmission. But to be honest I don't know very much about the car. I definitely do like it when I see it! I think that with all Ferrari's it is a matter of personal taste. If I was looking for a 4 seater Ferrari in that pricerange then I would also consider the 3.2 or 3.4 Mondial cab. Just follow your inner feeling and you won't regret it. In the end Ferrari's are always about passion! Ton | ||
| Jens Haller (Jh280774)
Member Username: Jh280774 Post Number: 493 Registered: 9-2001 |
Mikel, I totally agree with your opinion! The 412 is a very elegant and nice car. Most bucks should be worked out since it�s the last version of the 400 series. You should bear in mind that the car was never exceptionally loved by the Ferrari fans since it�s not a sportscar and doesn�t have the usual aggressive looks of the other Fcars. IMO the prices you mentioned show that the bottom is reached now. Even in Germany you rarely get ANY Ferrari for less than 30k $. I guess the prices will raise again in some years. Not much but you won�t loose money if you keep it for some time and sell it later. Always bear in mind that a proper service for a 12 cylinder car can cost you a fortune. Emission control should be not problem since you live in the UK, right? Con saluti cordialissimi, Jens Haller | ||
| Rijk Rietveld (Rijk365gtb4)
Junior Member Username: Rijk365gtb4 Post Number: 170 Registered: 1-2002 |
Traditionally the cars with more than 2 seats are less wanted and the prices tend to go only in one direction. 5 years ago the 412's were $60-65K, so they lost 30% of their value over that time. Also, dependent on where you live, the emissions test can be very hard or even impossible to pass, since all cars are gray market cars. Rijk | ||
| Mikel T (Mikel)
New member Username: Mikel Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2003 |
Hi guys, Well, finally, after months of lurking, I decided to register. This seems a nice board full of very knowledgeable people. I hope to learn lot of things here. I would like to know why the 412 prices are down ( or that is what I think ). Here in Europe a nice 412 with 40.000 km, 1 owner, 5 speed manual with all records can cost about 40k $...Doesn't seem like a lot of money, right ? I know this isn't a "race" car but hey this one has a nice ferrari V12 inside and it is a very elegant looking car in my opinion. Not everybody likes going to the track right ? Would the prices go up with the time ? Because few 412 were produced right ? Best regards, Mikel. |