| Author | Message | ||
| Jere Dunham (Questioner)
Member Username: Questioner Post Number: 554 Registered: 1-2003 |
Jim, Yes, it could smoke 'em up occasionally. Regards, | ||
| robert biscan (Tn_ferrari_bob)
New member Username: Tn_ferrari_bob Post Number: 10 Registered: 1-2003 |
If any of you are in tennessee, Frank Wycheck is having a run for special olympics. There is a $20 charge and you get a T shirt and 100% goes to special olympics. Put those lambos on the track and let's get it on. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1197 Registered: 10-2002 |
Jere SMOKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Best Jim | ||
| Vince (Manatee)
Junior Member Username: Manatee Post Number: 217 Registered: 6-2002 |
My brother-in-law has competed in the Special Olympics, and some of his comments are more intelligent than some of the stuff I've seen on the internet. | ||
| Jere Dunham (Questioner)
Member Username: Questioner Post Number: 553 Registered: 1-2003 |
David, I really paid no attention to your posting before but looking at its content and the very bottom line is very distasteful. Even if I felt this way, I do not believe I would even think of posting something like this. My cousin is retarded with the mentality of an 8 year old and he is 58. He competed in the Special Olympics and did very well. It really boosted his spirits and lifted him up. To see something like this only points me toward your lack of sensitivity to others who may not be as fortunate as yourself. | ||
| Jason Fraser (Jfraser)
Member Username: Jfraser Post Number: 328 Registered: 3-2001 |
David, Political correctness bugs the sh*t out of me, but your post really is pretty offensive! | ||
| Jere Dunham (Questioner)
Member Username: Questioner Post Number: 552 Registered: 1-2003 |
This is not a picture of my car but one similar. I have moved twice since selling my old race car so the pictures I have are boxed away somewhere in the attic. I will see if I can find and post a few. It was a real fun time. www.nitrocentral.com/nanook.jpg | ||
| wayne skiles (Bad_tt)
New member Username: Bad_tt Post Number: 16 Registered: 8-2002 |
This guy is truely an amazing driver. I attended his first class in at Moroso when I was driving Vipers. On the last day he gave each of us "hotshots" a few laps at ala JUSTIN..So smooth, so fast. I asked him why he didn't do that on the first day instead of the last few hours..his response...I didn't want you guys trying to emulate me..we needed the cars to finish the class!!!!!!!!! | ||
| David McGee (Damcgee)
New member Username: Damcgee Post Number: 7 Registered: 2-2003 |
Hmmm, I'm always remind of this completely tasteless but still applicable picture. [pic removed by Admin] | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Intermediate Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 1398 Registered: 1-2002 |
By the way, I had the opportunity to have dinner several months ago with Justin, his wife, his dad (Derek) and Derek's L-O-V-E-L-Y wife Misty. Very nice folks, all. Justin is a little bit shy. Unlike dad, who, you can tell, has been a raconteur of the first rate all his life. Derek is very close to my friend Brian Redman (who invited all 4 to this dinner, along with Simon Gregg--Peter's son, who races with Justin, and Simon's wife), and when the 2 of them begin telling stories, lubricated with a few pints, watch out!!! | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1195 Registered: 10-2002 |
Jere/Art It's so true. Those Studes were designed by Raymond Lowey (Coke Bottle etc.) Very pretty. The one I'll never forget was the "Hemi Under Glass". That was cool. (Jere last night I posted more photos on P3 inlet thread) An Issky cam, Moon tanks, a Hurst shifter, what more could a young man want? Those small block chevy's there are road racing versions that made 650Hp like the one in the Red Lobster March. (Good article in this months Vintage Motorsports.) Best Jim | ||
| Jere Dunham (Questioner)
Member Username: Questioner Post Number: 551 Registered: 1-2003 |
Art, I used to run some of the drag bikes during time trials when I had the altered. It was humbling sometimes to be looking up the rearend of a bike rider when I thought I was doing okay in my 650 hp, 1700 lb car. Amazing how quick they are off the line and to midway. Most people just do not know what it really takes. | ||
| martin j weiner,M.D. (Mw575)
Member Username: Mw575 Post Number: 910 Registered: 5-2001 |
The tenor of many of the postings on this thread truly define "mental masturbation" | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1193 Registered: 10-2002 |
Tony On a warm summer cruise night that car would be a lot of fun. That's the point. There are a lot of great fun cars and all of us are lucky to own ANY of them. Alan I used to own Lambo, the CO. not the car. I was a magor share holder of it's parent. Even though the way it was wasn't a bussiness and all we did was clean it up a bit, including the SV you own, it still wasn't a bussiness. For VW it may be a bussiness but make no mistake the way their going to run it is in IMHO going to kill some of it's soul. As wacky as the Countash was it WAS. What is the difference between the Audi LeMans car and the "Bentley" LeMans car? Not as much as when The Bentley boys were driving them and Hans Stuck's father was driving the Auto Union mountain car. As Karl Marks said: "In the end there will be one Co. and the government will take it over. Sadly as my friend, from whom I bought my MK-IV, found out owing a particular car is often more fun than owning the entire Co. (He owned Aston Martin for a while) To me it's the soul thats important. I still believe that Ferrari's past, present, and future racing program gives all of their cars a certin "je ne ces't quoi..." that can't be measured by numbers. You don't. C'est La Vie... Best Jim Best Jim | ||
| arthur chambers (Art355)
Intermediate Member Username: Art355 Post Number: 1503 Registered: 6-2001 |
Jere: We used to tune my Suzuki at the drags. Worked on the top speed which was an indication of HP. Nowadays they use a dyno. Best times we got (in the early 80s) was mid 10s, at 130+. Stockers do that now. Anybody who tells you that a 9 - 10 second quarter isn't fast, hasn't done it. Art | ||
| Jere Dunham (Questioner)
Member Username: Questioner Post Number: 550 Registered: 1-2003 |
Tony, Tell me about this Olds Cutlass that will do 7.8 sec 1/4 times. That is really cooking. It is possible, but it would really have to be a radical car. If you know whose car it is or what class it runs in, I would like to know. I have a friend who built up a Cutlass that runs in the 9's and I thought his was fast. I am really curious about this one. | ||
| Jere Dunham (Questioner)
Member Username: Questioner Post Number: 549 Registered: 1-2003 |
James I had a friend who had a Studebaker like yours except he had a 327 Chevy engine with three deuces on it. His dad owned the local NAPA store so he had access to a lot of parts to play with. Yes, the altered was really quick. Of course, it was strictly a race car. Wheelie bars, drag chute and the works. With a 93 inch wheelbase, it was a real handful when it launched. Many a time I had to back-pedal to get it straight again and not go into the rail. Any time I had to do that, the race was already over. In drag racing, you know, the race is won on the starting line. It was a pure hobby. Never had a problem at all with the engine but was rebuilding the tranny about every two race weekends. Ran a 2-speed Powerglide. I remember a Car and Driver road test of I believe Gerhard Berger's F1 car and they did a 1/4 run. 9.68 secs at 168 mph. The tester said that if you did not come off the line at over 11,000 rpm, the engine would stall. Had to break the tires loose to get it to move. He said he killed the engine several times before he got it to move the first time. This was one of the turbocharged F1 cars. I believe it was the Benneton, but I am not sure. People who have not done it do not realize just how quick a 12 second 1/4 mile time is. It takes some serious running to do that. I hear all kinds of numbers that are totally unbelievable. You know, the guys who say they can take their Chevy Monte Carlo, put some Flowmaster exhausts on it, a fancy set of wheels, some fat tires and a K&N filter, some 93 octane and do 9 second quarters. I just have to laugh. They would be lucky to take that car into the 16-17's. Love your P4. Have a friend with an original California Spider and like it a lot but having been a motorsports nut all my life, I really love the lines and character of the P4. | ||
| neal (95spiderneal)
Junior Member Username: 95spiderneal Post Number: 133 Registered: 3-2002 |
i love these "my marque is better than yours" threads. this is what chat sites r 4. my 2cents - i want ferrari to concentrate on pure light weight sports cars. leave the gt cars to the mass producers like porsche, mb, bmw, etc. 575 compares best to 996 turbo imho not crazy muci. | ||
| Tony Fuisz (Fuiszt)
Junior Member Username: Fuiszt Post Number: 82 Registered: 10-2002 |
There is an Olds Cutlass in the paper today built for drag racing that has clocked a 7.8 s 1/4 mile. Its $15,000. Watch out Lambos-you are all losers now. | ||
| Taek-Ho Kwon (Stickanddice)
Member Username: Stickanddice Post Number: 350 Registered: 11-2002 |
I'm staying out of this one. I learned my lesson last thread  ! | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 766 Registered: 1-2002 |
Jim, Des, Bill, Jere, et. al. thank you for the compliments. Any given Sunday... | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1190 Registered: 10-2002 |
Jere I remember those days. They were great! Your car was very very fast. I remember when anything that could break 14 sec. was fast. I had a 54 Stude, with a 421 Pontiac, a three speed Corvette trans. and a Scheiffer clutch. When I broke 13 I thought I was flying. In 72 I took my Lola to Dover Plains Drag Strip I turned an 11.2. In it's Can AM configuration it weighed 1700lbs. That Traco Chevy pulled to 90mph in first gear! As a friend once said of his 427 Vette: It rattled but it sure did roll. Best Jim | ||
| Jere Dunham (Questioner)
Member Username: Questioner Post Number: 546 Registered: 1-2003 |
Jim, Did many a SUNDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 23 Ford T-bucket fiberglass body over a tube chasis with a 454 big block Chevy. A/EA class with a single carb (1100 cfm). Ran high 8's at about 168 mph. Blast to drive. Cost me less than $30K to build. Very dependable. Lots of fun SUNDAY!!!!At Englishtown Raceway!!!!See 330 mph fuel burning monsters trip the lights in 4.5 seconds. See 5,000 horsepower FUNNY CARS doing speeds you never dreamed possible....... SUNDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1186 Registered: 10-2002 |
WM I still do. The guys who restored my Lola are like that. I've seen sprint cars they've built that were scary fast. http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/messages/21/202185.html Hey Shelby, Troutman and Barnes, Phil Remmington, Dean Moon ... Who do you think built the Fords that beat Ferrari? Hot Rodders. Best | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member Username: Whart Post Number: 1006 Registered: 12-2001 |
Hey, Jim. I grew up in pittsburgh, pa which was like many working class places, a hotbed for motorheads. Yenko chevy was down the road a piece and every guy who had pubic hair had some sicko muscle car that today would be coddled and preened for auction. In those days, it was not about finesse, and the occasional "foreign exotic" stood out like a cross-dresser at a Bible meet. But, it gave me enormous respect for those cars; guy down the street from where i live now still builds these turbo drag cars that put out over a thousand horsepower. In a straight line, they are truly frightening. But, i get a huge kick out of "sleepers." Guy today, on the way home, had some tuned out WRX that was truly quick. Probably cost way less than 40k $ and i guarantee you, he was having fun. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1183 Registered: 10-2002 |
WM I thought it was called: SUNDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Jere Dunham (Questioner)
Member Username: Questioner Post Number: 545 Registered: 1-2003 |
Hubert, Thanks, It does not matter what anyone drives or whatever. There will always be someone out there quicker or faster or have more horsepower or any number of other things. A data posting about a single car for sharing information is just that. It is not a challenge to another marque. I appreciate your maturity in thinking this thru before responding. | ||
| wm hart (Whart)
Intermediate Member Username: Whart Post Number: 1005 Registered: 12-2001 |
Me, too. When we finished the R&T photoshoot at Englishtown Speedway (or whatever its really called, a serious drag strip in south jersey), i watched all the grass roots entrants for speed runs show up. There was a guy with trailers, catering, ATVs for his crew, and a ridiculous "funny car" in one of the trailers; two other guys showed up in a Mustang II with their racing slicks sticking out of the trunk. The used the factory jack to change the tires, and then got into line for speed tests. It takes all types. Allan: I really wish you could educate and inform about the Lambo, rather than simply boast about it. In some instances, you are already preaching to people who like their cars, but your attitude makes it more difficult to accept. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 3832 Registered: 8-2002 |
Hubert, i'm standing and clapping, right now... | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 761 Registered: 1-2002 |
You see, and I'm not addressing this to anyone in particular. It's arguments like these that make me feel that aren't, really, many true enthusiasts left. One person posts a synopsis of an article reporting some empirical data about a given car ( shouldn't matter if this is 1/4 mile, 0-60 times of a Kia or a Vette) and then someone's gotta jab the guy in the ribs with another set of numbers, superior to the 1st set, to substantiate the "credibility" of his own enthusiasm (if you can even call it that.) Then everything degarades into potshots, name calling, and marque pissing contests. Frankly, you can arm-chair quaterback all day (because that leaves people to infere about the only real qualities an enthusiast must have; i.e., passion and driving skill) and you can sit around and quote numbers, and 1/4 mile times, and 0-100, etc. but that's all talk, and all the while your tip toeing around the whole point; quit talking ••••, and run what ya brung. If you really think you, your car, and your skills are superior to everyone else, settle it at the track... all this "..well, on this road I take to work, my xxx car blasts really well, handles really well, blah blah.." is a JOKE. There is no way you can make an inference about your driving skill (luck) and the limits of your car from driving it on Sunday with a cappucino in your lap, on some 2 lane back road. regards, jaded observer PS- If you're buying a car (of Ferrari, Lambo, etc. caliber) for any other reason than the fact that it stirs you, you're not even deserving of it. | ||
| Paul Loussia (Bumboola)
New member Username: Bumboola Post Number: 25 Registered: 3-2003 |
If speed was all that mattered than maybe we should all trade in our overpriced Italian exotica for a $10,000 Suzuki GSX1000R that will leave every production car ever made gasping for breath. I love Lambos as well as Ferraris but never considered owning one until the Murci came out, for reasons of build quality and reliability, and that has YET to be proven. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Intermediate Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 1386 Registered: 1-2002 |
David Stoepple... I am surprised. Your z06 should be faster than that. The 360, well driven, will eat the z06's lunch in REALLY tight stuff on track, but the z06, well driven, will eat the 360's lunch everywhere else. I have seen z06's humiliate 360's & 550 with drivers of similar abilities. It truly is a remarkable car, especially for the money. | ||
| Erik (Teenferrarifan)
Junior Member Username: Teenferrarifan Post Number: 55 Registered: 2-2003 |
Des it is certainly one really unique first name and the last name is fairly common. Go for it just make sure when you get your Ferrari you put a lot of carbon fibre on it. Erik | ||
| Jay P. Ross (Eilig)
Junior Member Username: Eilig Post Number: 130 Registered: 8-2001 |
Allan's prescription of Prozac has obviously run out. But let's not be his cyber-substitute... he can poke and prod all he wants, but if nobody reads or replies to his lunacy, sooner or later he'll fizzle out and go away... | ||
| Jere Dunham (Questioner)
Member Username: Questioner Post Number: 537 Registered: 1-2003 |
Okay Rob, You can remove this post if you like. I started it just to pass along some information I had found and Mr. Fielder jumped in to disrupt and create mayhem as usual. I am sorry I even responded to his verbal diarrhea at all. Sorry guys, I did not intend this to happen. BUT, Allen I have never said this on the FC before but will you please "go forth and have intercourse with yourself, Mr. Richard Cranium?" Again, sorry guys........ | ||
| Mike B (Srt_mike)
Junior Member Username: Srt_mike Post Number: 166 Registered: 12-2002 |
A true car enthusiast would appreciate any vehicle for what it is and what it is not. To say a Ferrari is better "just because it's a Ferrari" is silly and snobbish. It's just as bad as Allan saying "hahah I have a lambo your cars are all slow". Give credit where credit is due. I think a big part of why the Murci is more niche is because it's a fair bit more $$, it's harder to get serviced, it's lower and wider and more crazy looking (i.e. not as usable daily), and on and on. Maybe depreciation is a better indicator about the desirability of a car? The 550 and Murci are both pretty bad... but then again, who spends $200k on a used car? Bottom line - we each buy what we can afford within the constraints that money allows. Allan, you don't own a Murci, and most here don't own 575's, so this whole argument reminds me of the "I have a friend who could kick your friends a$$" crap we did in kindergarten. I gave up my SRT in favor of a 550 - a car which I KNOW is slower by a large amount. Do I think the 550 is "better"??? ehh, it better FOR ME yes. Because I have a turbo Corvette at home and if I want ultimate speed, that's the ticket. And the Ferrari is very classy and more sporty than a CL55 or something. But would I trade the 550 for a Murci straight up? Yep, I would. Would I trade the Murci for a McLaren F1? Yep, I would. I doubt many of us have the complete collection of the cars we desire - and until we do, arguing about what our means allows us and comparing what we don't have to what others don't have is just silly. And thinking Bob's 328 is more "Classy" than Bill's Miura just because a Murci beat a 575M in some test betrays the massive insecurities some seem to have about their cars. Grow up folks! | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 3825 Registered: 8-2002 |
Erik, i'm seriously considering Carbon McCoy - what do you think...? Hey... There's nothing wrong with Eminem or gold chains... Or gold rims for that matter (although gold rims really aren't something i'd be into)... | ||
| Jere Dunham (Questioner)
Member Username: Questioner Post Number: 536 Registered: 1-2003 |
Oh, and while you are out buying some more gold chains will you stop by the 7-11 and pick up a six pack of your favorite, Carling Black Label or Old Milwaukee? Maybe also pick up some Boone's Farm Apple Wine as a chaser. | ||
| Erik (Teenferrarifan)
Junior Member Username: Teenferrarifan Post Number: 54 Registered: 2-2003 |
Guys can we put this behind us. I know that I am not the only one getting tired of this. BTW the rolex watches that you have are great, but I really don't care and don't think anyone really cares that you have them. If I knew how to put those flashing sirens up for OT i would. What you own has nothing to do with this thread. Also we all know how you view the lambo there is no need to answer back every 5 min with a comeback. If you want the last word fine type a comeback and then have Rob remove the thread then you win OK. I would rather find out what DES is changing his name to then listen to this. Erik | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 464 Registered: 6-2002 |
Well since im not 90, i actually like Eminem. As for jewelry, well i really either wear my stainless and platinum Yachtmaster or my Presidential. No gold wheels, but Chrome!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 463 Registered: 6-2002 |
I reverse my car all day long without sitTing on the door sill. I must have missed something here, i guess you guys are all implying that you like to use your Ferrari's in a Cadillac sort of way. See, i buy my cars for the feelings i get when im blasting up my favorite road. Maybe you guys are right, ill trade my Cadillac for a 575M! | ||
| Jere Dunham (Questioner)
Member Username: Questioner Post Number: 535 Registered: 1-2003 |
Allan, I did not post any comparisons in my first post. I was not doing it as a comparison. As I said, I did it to affirm the buying decisions of a few of our FC members. You chose to make it a mud slinging contest as you always do. I was just wondering Allan, how does the hip-hop sound on the radio in the Murci?? I heard that Eminem has one just like the one you supposedly drive. Have you put the gold package with 21 inch gold wheels on yours yet? Oh, and I was wondering also how you keep those gold chains cleaned. Do you use the jewelry cleaner in the fine gold dept. at Wal-Mart or the one available from Target???? | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 462 Registered: 6-2002 |
Ferrari is not a loser, but a in the comparison that is stated here, it is a loser. Again, if Lambo had Fiats backing things would be different. David, bring your Z06 back to dealer there must be something wrong with it. Maybe running on 4 cylinders? | ||
| David Stoeppelwerth (Racerdj)
Junior Member Username: Racerdj Post Number: 128 Registered: 1-2003 |
On a A&E Behind closed Doors (Ferrari), it was stated that Ferrari worldwide is the most recognized name. | ||
| Erik (Teenferrarifan)
Junior Member Username: Teenferrarifan Post Number: 53 Registered: 2-2003 |
The lambo is a race car for the street in my opinion. I mean it is far from funtional and in a past issue of MT where they compared a 550 to a diablo 6.0 they said that the diablo felt more at home on a track, but on the road the car had huge blind spots and suffered from heavy steering. While they said the 550 was a better road car then it was on the track. I actually just read an old copy of that article after allan mentioned it in the other thread. What about the fact that until the murci you needed to reverse with the door open to see behind you? That is a race car. Find me a GT car that you can't see out the back of. Erik | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 461 Registered: 6-2002 |
Ok children lets twist words around. I would hope that most of you here would consider a car with plastic windows a race car. I dont think it is legal to drive a car with a plastic windshield. Btw Pat, id much rather wash a Vw, than a [img]http://www.ferrarichat.com/discus/cgi-bin/discus/board-profile.cgi?action=pict&file=187352.jpg[/img] | ||
| David Stoeppelwerth (Racerdj)
Junior Member Username: Racerdj Post Number: 126 Registered: 1-2003 |
Just for your info My 2002 stock ZO6 will not out run my Stock 360/Tubi. After the first turn its over anyway! | ||
| Vince (Manatee)
Junior Member Username: Manatee Post Number: 213 Registered: 6-2002 |
Why even respond to any of Allan's posts? Giving him an audience will just keep him coming back again and again and again. | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1450 Registered: 2-2001 |
Lambos have historically been faster than the comparable Ferrari probably since the Miura. They have also been wilder looking to attract more attention, so you could say they are more exotic. Yet, Ferrari continues to outsell Lambo many times over, has HUGE waiting lists (Lambo dealers dont even know what a waiting list is), sell millions of caps, shirts, etc etc, and houses all over Italy have Ferrari flags outside their window while Lambo is largely irrelevant in the world scene. There is a reason why Ferrari is an institution and Lamborghini has remained as a niche car maker. Ferrari a loser? LOL... one of the most successful motorsports companies in the world (right next to Porsche)... Ferrari competes in the real racing arena. Ernesto | ||
| TomD (Tifosi)
Advanced Member Username: Tifosi Post Number: 3496 Registered: 9-2001 |
what does that say - its worse in performance but it I had to chose it would be the one I want. nuff said | ||
| Pat Pasqualini (Enzo)
Member Username: Enzo Post Number: 484 Registered: 2-2002 |
Allan shouldn't you go outside and wash your  | ||
| Tony Fuisz (Fuiszt)
Junior Member Username: Fuiszt Post Number: 81 Registered: 10-2002 |
If its faster than the Lambo its a "race car". If its slower its a "loser". Got to learn those rules or Allan won't go away. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 460 Registered: 6-2002 |
Actually i believe he refers to it as his favorite ferrari, but if you read the article, he has more nits and picks on it than on any other car. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 459 Registered: 6-2002 |
The Murci is not a Gt car? What is it than? Jere, i posted in my first post on this article, that the Mosler beat everyone. But the Mosler is not really relevent, as it is a race car, unsuitable for street use, on race slicks. But hey, if you consider a car that you have to wear headphones to drown out the noise relevant, than so be it. Dont knock Porsche, their cars are capable of putting a hurting on all of us. | ||
| Pat Pasqualini (Enzo)
Member Username: Enzo Post Number: 478 Registered: 2-2002 |
Doesn't the guy who that article say he would pick the Ferrari out of all the cars tested? I wonder why? | ||
| Erik (Teenferrarifan)
Junior Member Username: Teenferrarifan Post Number: 52 Registered: 2-2003 |
We all know that a stock Z06 can run with all of these cars mentioned, but why do people buy Ferrari's and lambo's then. They cater to two different markets and I don't think the a murci buyer is looking at a 575. They are two different cars that do what they are designed to very well. The 575 is a GT car. The murci is not. Erik | ||
| Ken (Allyn)
Member Username: Allyn Post Number: 857 Registered: 10-2001 |
Allan, you are the sterotypic Lambo owner and I'm embarassed for you. So sad. How many gold chains are you wearing right this moment? Go to the Porsche room, they have small minds too and you'll be in good company. | ||
| Jere Dunham (Questioner)
Member Username: Questioner Post Number: 534 Registered: 1-2003 |
Hey Allan, Mosler MT900 Photon / Murci 0-60 mph 3.13 / 3.51 1/4 mile 11.02/126.88 / 11.72/122.52 Standing mile 30.4 / 30.5 0-100 7.11 / 8.41 0-100-0 10.98 / 12.71 600 ft slalom 74.7 mph/ 66.2 Figure 8 laptime 23.3/0.90 g's 24.7 0.83g How does the Murci stack up there???? And this is with only 435 hp. cha-ching Figures from same article featuring 575M | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Intermediate Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 1380 Registered: 1-2002 |
Srt Mike, you may be closer than you think to the truth about Ferrari's future. That's all I'm going to say... Allan, for the love of God/Allah/Jehovah/Jahweh/etc., LIGHTEN UP AND ENOUGH WITH THE MY MARQUE IS BETTER THAN YOUR MARQUE BULLSHITTE!!!!!! Lambos are great cars. Ferraris are great cars. This is a Ferrari board. Probably a bit immature and seemingly wanting to pick a fight to come here & call Ferrari a loser, eh? There are no losers among sports car enthusiasts, are there? So one comparo rates the Lambo "ahead", and another rates the Ferrari "ahead". SO WHAT? Good grief!  | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 457 Registered: 6-2002 |
Why would you want to settle for average performance, which would tend more towards mediocre from your 250,000 Ferrari? I could understand if all 3 cars were very close, but they are not, the Lambo and the Viper are close, the Ferrari is not. As for style, well except for the Enzo, Ferrari has lost its sense of style. | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2239 Registered: 9-2001 |
Mike, I agree that Ferrari needs a top of the line V12 sports car to go with the 575 GT cars. But, when has Ferrari road cars been the fastest of the lot anyway ? Since the mid-1960s Ferrari road cars have been mostly about style anyway. Even the new Enzo can't keep up with the over 10 year old McLaren road car. If you want the fastest road car, get something other than a Ferrari. If you want an above average performer that has knock-out looks and Italian flair, go for the Ferrari. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 456 Registered: 6-2002 |
Why would you want me to leave, i own the best car in the world according to you, a Ferrari? | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 455 Registered: 6-2002 |
I dont care if one car is made by a tampon factory Fiat boy! How does it feel to LOSE! Which is funny considering virtually every roadtest comparison, whether it be Ferrari vs Viper, or Vette, or Nsx, guess who comes out the LOSER? Why is this not the case with Lambo? Hide behind F1 victories, thats all you can do. | ||
| Pat Pasqualini (Enzo)
Member Username: Enzo Post Number: 476 Registered: 2-2002 |
Allan, http://www.lamborghinichat.com/cgi-bin/discus/discus.cgi http://www.lamborghini-talk.com/cgi-bin/forum/discus.cgi?pg=topics Don't let the door hit you in the A$$ on the way out. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 454 Registered: 6-2002 |
Oh my god, yes, a 500mile trip in a car like the Murcielago would just be horrible!Look at it this way, what would take 5 hours in 575, would be accomplished in far less time in a Murci!lol | ||
| Tony Fuisz (Fuiszt)
Junior Member Username: Fuiszt Post Number: 78 Registered: 10-2002 |
Only one car is a Ferrari, and only one car is made by a tractor company. Don't make me start to photoshop again Allan-next it will be Luca di Montezemolo kissing your wife. | ||
| Mike B (Srt_mike)
Junior Member Username: Srt_mike Post Number: 165 Registered: 12-2002 |
Personally, I would like Ferrari to 'go at it' with Lambo again. I mean, next to an Enzo (which is made of pure unobtainium), what is Ferraris answer to Lambo's latest shot? The 575M which falls a fair bit short. The fact that the 575M can be called "more of a GT car" is all very well and good, but I would love a modern day Testarossa that is about balls-to-the-wall performance. I personally wonder if maybe they shouldn't drop the 456, make the 550 available as a 4-seater (or make it just a 4-seater period), and then come out with a V12 car that is the high-line car above the "entry level" Modena. Make it a 550-600hp car, 2 door, 2 seater, styling just as wild as the Modena, and a price around $275k. A direct competitor to the Murci. I think they should do it. The 550/575 is classy, refined and elegant. But it loses pretty bad to the Murci. To claim that 12.26 and 11.72 are "so close it comes to the driver" is to know nothing about drag racing. As the times decrease, each tenth represents a much larger difference in performance. There is a HUGE difference between 11.72 and 12.26. A lot MORE of a difference than between 14.72 and 15.26. Now some may say "well it's not just about straight line acceleration". Well, what IS it about? The Murci won in every category, as did the Viper over the 575. So if the 575 isn't about all out performance, then I'd like to see a Ferrari (other than the really-a-racecar Enzo) that will toss the Viper and Murci into the weeds. The "but it's still a Ferrari" comments only go so far. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 453 Registered: 6-2002 |
Oh boy, yes nearly one second is not much of a differnce!lol. Just like on the top speed run, in the same length of space the Murcielago achieved a speed 11mph higher than 575. Thats also the same length of space that the Mercedes, 4 door, reached a speed 5mph higher than the 575. You are right about one car only being able to be Ferrari, thats the LOSER. Only one car can be the winner...... | ||
| Frank Parker (Parkerfe)
Intermediate Member Username: Parkerfe Post Number: 2235 Registered: 9-2001 |
The 550 and 575 body style is the best looking out of Italy for decades. What did Bell have to say about the F1 shifter ? The writers of other articles I have read on the 575 didn't like it and said they would have prefered a standard shifter. | ||
| Jere Dunham (Questioner)
Member Username: Questioner Post Number: 533 Registered: 1-2003 |
And if you want to go on a 500 mile trip. Which car would you rather go in?????????????????????? I will say the Murci is a sexy car with a big powerful engine. I cannot think of much else to say about it in the positive vein. That is not why I posted this. I did it to affirm the decisions of those who own or will own them. Way to go guys, great decision. | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1449 Registered: 2-2001 |
Only 0.9 sec behind the murcielago in the standing mile? Thats not bad at all considering the horsepower advantage the Murcielago has. Its all up to the driver in real world environments, either car can win. But only one of them is a Ferrari. Ernesto | ||
| Vince (Manatee)
Junior Member Username: Manatee Post Number: 211 Registered: 6-2002 |
Thanks, Jere. I am thoroughly enjoying the 575. I could have selected another Italian make automobile, but I wanted what I consider to be the best and to enjoy the most when driving. I wonder if the standing start times would have improved at all if they could have used the "not available for US" launch control. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 452 Registered: 6-2002 |
All kidding aside, im sure the 575 is a great car. | ||
| David Stoeppelwerth (Racerdj)
Junior Member Username: Racerdj Post Number: 125 Registered: 1-2003 |
Until you drive a 575 you CAN'T appreciate the car. It's amazing how fast, how elegant, how smooth it is. It's one of those cars that in person you truly get a better and greater impression of it. Last fall was a great test drive at Shelton!! | ||
| Pat Pasqualini (Enzo)
Member Username: Enzo Post Number: 472 Registered: 2-2002 |
Here we go again  | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 451 Registered: 6-2002 |
Wow, this is funny. Heres some other numbers to compare: Lambo Murcielago: 0-60 3.51 1/4 mile [email protected] standing mile [email protected] 0-100 8.41 0-100-0 12.71 | ||
| martin j weiner,M.D. (Mw575)
Member Username: Mw575 Post Number: 902 Registered: 5-2001 |
Thanks,Jere. | ||
| Dave (Maranelloman)
Intermediate Member Username: Maranelloman Post Number: 1375 Registered: 1-2002 |
Verily...     | ||
| Jere Dunham (Questioner)
Member Username: Questioner Post Number: 530 Registered: 1-2003 |
And probably not under warranty. Owner abuse of the vehicle. | ||
| BobD (Bobd)
Intermediate Member Username: Bobd Post Number: 1157 Registered: 3-2001 |
Yes but they had to replace the engine mounts and water pump right after the test. (Right Dave?) | ||
| Jere Dunham (Questioner)
Member Username: Questioner Post Number: 528 Registered: 1-2003 |
Thought you guys who own or are getting a new 575M might enjoy this excerpt from the June 2003 Motor Trend. "When you drive a Maranello, you sit up straighter, your waistline gets smaller, your hair gets thicker--even your wife or girlfriend looks better. It's so powerful, yet so classy, so timeless. My favorite." JB Justin Bell is the FIA GT2 world champion, LeMans winner and current Trans-Am driver and has the Justin Bell Driving School. It was tested along with 9 other specialty type cars of all makes, models and price ranges. They included the Murci, Viper SRT-10, Z06 Vette, Mosler MT900 Photon, M/B CL55 AMG, and a few other "lesser" cars and a truck. They included the Mustang SVT Cobra, Jag XKR, Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution and get this--Ford F-150 Lightning. Performance tests 0-60 4.16 1/4 mile 12.26 118.58 Standing mile 31.4 166.1 (91% of top speed) 0-100 9.56 0-100-0 13.94 Top speed -- track limited 182 mph "The Ferrari was charging its way to higher speeds when Justin had to brake for the corner and slow to about 175 mph" Test was done at the Ford Arizona Proving Grounds Test Track. "Had we used a 6-8 mile track with longer straghts (and there are a few around), we're confident the Lambo would have eclipsed 200, with the Maranello's grille lit by its taillights. No Italian loafers here. The 48 valve V-12's have the goods to back up their high-dollar reputations." Now wipe that grin off your faces. It just makes the rest of us envious. |