| Author | Message | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1211 Registered: 10-2002 |
Matt We're trying to come up with dates in June or July. The regular carts are Honda with bumpers etc. For an extra $400 you can rent a shifter kart that cornors so fast you have to wear a rib protector. I'll keep you up. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 468 Registered: 6-2002 |
Was it a Kawasaki 50? | ||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 474 Registered: 3-2001 |
Yeah Jim...I'd be interested in playing. Do they have a website? I'd like to check out the karts. | ||
| Dan 360 (Dan360)
New member Username: Dan360 Post Number: 19 Registered: 2-2003 |
At the risk of restarting the "my granny could drive faster" flaming, Autocar heavily caveats the numbers of the Enzo test since it was not done on their terms. It was done at Ferrari's track. Autocar is very serious about its numbers in performance tests and they record atmospheric conditions with the test. As I recall they do all the tests with 2 people in the car and always use the same test site. This means that at least within their own figures the tests are comparable from car to car. I remember when they tested the 360F1 there being comments that even Ferrari was surpised how fast it went. I can second the thoughts about the quality of it as a publication for tests. I certainly use it as my point of reference for performance numbers. On a related quick car note, I for one rather enjoy having a car quick enough to out drag a nutter Kawasaki at the lights unless a race-rider is on board. Exactly this happened on the way to the office this morning, and despite being slightly quicker over the first 40-50mph (since my ASR was flashing madly), once I hit 3rd Mr Biker was history! Once I backed off and braked, he came past with a "beep beep" of respect. I know some will think this juvenille, but a big part of the reason for owning a 360 is to have childish fun. If I wanted to cruise I'd have a merc! BTW, since I got my Tubi I get constantly asked to rev the engine by passers by when I'm stopped at lights. Dan | ||
| Tenney (Tenney)
Member Username: Tenney Post Number: 361 Registered: 2-2001 |
My post was more of a fwiw magazine account, David. Would suspect that, as an owner of both, you'd have a fairly decent handle on how the two compare. | ||
| DES (Sickspeed)
Advanced Member Username: Sickspeed Post Number: 3841 Registered: 8-2002 |
Carbon brakes...? Now the Enzo just needs a different kind of Carbon...  | ||
| David Stoeppelwerth (Racerdj)
Junior Member Username: Racerdj Post Number: 131 Registered: 1-2003 |
Thankyou Tenney-Your post backs up my statement that my 360 is faster than mt ZO6. One post indicated I take the ZO6 back to the dealer. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1205 Registered: 10-2002 |
Matt There's a track about 1.5 hours up RT 17 in Cuddybackville, NY. You can rent the track for $2500 from 6-11pm sat night includes karts for 12 people. I'll post a July date if you want to joins us. (They have karts for kids as well. Best Jim | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1452 Registered: 2-2001 |
Thanks for the scans!! Great read. I can't wait for a magazine to get the two cars side by side for a true comparison, including lap times. Ernesto | ||
| Ansgar Schürmeyer (Taunus)
Junior Member Username: Taunus Post Number: 156 Registered: 6-2002 |
The article: http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-4-2/1034093-mafaldaa.jpg http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-4-2/1034093-mafaldab.jpg http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-4-2/1034095-mafaldaa.jpg http://speed.supercars.net/boardpics/2003-4-2/1034095-mafaldab.jpg | ||
| Ben Cannon (Artherd)
Member Username: Artherd Post Number: 299 Registered: 6-2002 |
Carbon brakes' main benefit (other than being inverse fade resistant in pure carbon-carbon race form) is cutting oh, 40lbs from unsprung weight. This lets the tyres react faster to just about everything, making the car handle much better. Even the Enzo's and GT2's hybrid carbon/ceramic brake materials though should be VERY fade resistant, especially in the monster (and yet LIGHT!) sizes they are delivered in! I bet it feels like running into a tire wall every time you hit the pedal, especially at speed (with all that Enzo downforce.) Best! Ben. | ||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 473 Registered: 3-2001 |
Hey Jim....yeah, those karts are a blast. Where do you run them? I wasn't aware that the GT2 had ceramic brakes...very cool. | ||
| James Glickenhaus (Napolis)
Intermediate Member Username: Napolis Post Number: 1199 Registered: 10-2002 |
Matt Having driven a GT2 I can tell you that the ceramic brakes are truely something, no matter how many times you stomp on them they don't go away. Drove Karts last night. Now those things can teach you a thing or 2. Best Jim | ||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 472 Registered: 3-2001 |
Yeah Omar...I'm really interested in the benefits of this new brake technology. I can imagine it must be amazing, but I really don't know much about it. I would presume there have been some serious, controlled, tests done in the labatory somewhere. If anyone knows about this....(Hubert?) I'd love to learn more. | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 505 Registered: 9-2002 |
Matt, I agree with your previous post...I asked the braking question since I had read that the Enzo has Carbon brakes, I was wondering what they could do. The viper reference was a joke relating to the i{other} thread where even I was impressed with the braking of the new viper. (have to give credit where deseverd) What I want to know is how the Enzo holds up...I mean they are carbon (though I am not sure if fade resistance is traded for raw stopping power) and Ferrari did say how great they are...I want to know by how much. | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 773 Registered: 1-2002 |
Matt- It's gonna be 70's and partly cloudy all weekend over here. And as it's "cinco de mayo" weekend there's no better time to comeover. Maybe you can borrow Ernestos Lear, that he used to to pull the 360, to beat the Lambo, and to kick little Billy in the shin with; Billy had the neive notion that Ferrari's were cool. Silly Billy. Bah, my area of expertise, ••••, you were racing while I was knee high to a grasshopper. You're too kind. | ||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 471 Registered: 3-2001 |
Hubert...I won't even go into things which are in your area of expertise....air density, traction quality, tire compounds, fuel qualtiy...and endless other variables which would need to be equal, just so these useless data points can be of the faintest use. I will however...take you up on the beer!! | ||
| Mike Clark (Vipersrt)
Junior Member Username: Vipersrt Post Number: 95 Registered: 10-2002 |
With all the time wasted on the board talking nonsense, is it possible if i borrow the keys to your car, i would like to go drive them??? SWEET Anyone know numbers yet for the braking? | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 772 Registered: 1-2002 |
Matt- I'm buying you a beer, or seven. Allan- take a breather, take your car out to the track (road course) for a day, videotape it, host it on the net, and give us all a WORTHWHILE set of data to talk about. | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 771 Registered: 1-2002 |
Matt- I'm buying you a beer. Allan- take a breather, take your car out to the track (road course) for a day, videotape it, host it on the net, and give us all a WORTHWHILE set of data to talk about. | ||
| Matt Karson (Squidracing)
Member Username: Squidracing Post Number: 470 Registered: 3-2001 |
I have to say that this is a discussion of the stupid! Do any of you guys have any idea what a sportscar is all about?? I'm sorry to say, but it appears the answer is "NO"! Only a fool would try to quantify the quality and abilities of a world class sportscar, by looking at its 0 - whatever numbers!! The proof of the true nature and capabilities of a sportscar lies in the MANNER in which it handles the power and dynamics which were engineered into it. How effective are the aerodynamics....how pliant is the suspension....how does the car respond when the accelerator/brakes are hammered while on the track at X speed?? ARE YOU DUMBASSES KIDDING ME?? TRYING TO DECIDE IF AN ENZO IS GOOD OR BAD BY USING THE PARAMETERS YOU SITE?? Stop.....say nothing....you will look smarter. | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 467 Registered: 6-2002 |
I would say Autocars numbers are extremely fuzzy, as they also list a Porsche 911 Gt2 as going 12's @ 127mph in the 1/4. The only way the Porsche will run 127 through the 1/4 is with Ernesto pushing it from behind in a Lear jet going downhill. Also, a Modena beating a Murcielago in any speed catagory is as likely as Bill Gates going broke, unless the Murci started out in third gear. | ||
| Ralph Koslin (Ralfabco)
Junior Member Username: Ralfabco Post Number: 112 Registered: 3-2002 |
Unfortunately for us in the USA I feel IMHO that the Europeans ( The Brits and Germans ) have better more detailed auto publications. Some of them are really into the specs of a vehicle. Unlike here where the general public is more concerned about the features of the power seat. Ralph | ||
| Vince (Manatee)
Junior Member Username: Manatee Post Number: 218 Registered: 6-2002 |
Does Autocar magazine have a website ? | ||
| Adnaan Rasool (Adnaan)
New member Username: Adnaan Post Number: 8 Registered: 4-2003 |
UK's Car Mag has a nice long article about JK picking up his Enzo from the factory. Story is a bit lame but the pics are fab! I'll try and scan them at post them later. | ||
| Mike Clark (Vipersrt)
Junior Member Username: Vipersrt Post Number: 93 Registered: 10-2002 |
What are the stats from 60? 70? 100? Are they mentioned? | ||
| Paul Loussia (Bumboola)
New member Username: Bumboola Post Number: 26 Registered: 3-2003 |
As far as the braking performance of the Enzo goes, I will quote Autocar: "holy carbon brake discs, Batman - did you feel the way this car stopped back there when DB (Dario Benuzzi) stood on the left-hand pedal? Mind-blowing. And at that moment I realized: it's about time that we recalibrated the analogy about cars stopping as well as Porsches. From now on the Enzo is THE benchmark when it comes to brakes." For those of you that have never read Autocar ( a British weekly,) it is better than Autoweek by a ratio of 1000 to 1. | ||
| Hubert Otlik (Hugh)
Member Username: Hugh Post Number: 767 Registered: 1-2002 |
>>See, even if something is posted that is good about a extremely overpriced unobtainable Fiat, you guys are still not happy! But you are right, i'd rather have a Murcielago and an F40.<< La la la... | ||
| John A. Suarez (Futureowner)
Member Username: Futureowner Post Number: 620 Registered: 3-2002 |
Tenney, Autocar must have asked my grandmother to drive seeing that they could only get the Murci through the 1/4 in 13.0 While these cars are not setup to romp the 1/4 mile, I would put money on the Murci beating the 360 just about every time. | ||
| Tenney (Tenney)
Member Username: Tenney Post Number: 355 Registered: 2-2001 |
Focus of article was to see if Enzo could match McLaren F1 acceleration numbers. Seems it was just a few ticks shy. Note at article's conclusion claimed next day (w/different driver) Enzo went 3.2 to 60. 6.5 to 100. Their McLaren benchmark numbers were 3.2 to 60 and 6.3 to 100. Oh, and 0-150 were 12.8 McLaren and 13.1 Enzo. Again, figures gained w/different drivers at different venues. But acceleration seems in similar ballpark. Autocar article also had a chart of numbers for a few other cars. 360: 0-60: 4.2, 0-100: 8.8, 0-150: 20.1, 1/4: 12.3/119 Murci: 0-60: 4.0, 0-100: 9.0, 0-150; 20.3, 1/4: 13.0/119 | ||
| Sean Harris (Sharris)
New member Username: Sharris Post Number: 19 Registered: 3-2002 |
All I can say is wait for the July issue of Road and Track. | ||
| shahin tabassi (Shahin)
Junior Member Username: Shahin Post Number: 92 Registered: 4-2002 |
the new viper is said to have poor brakes because of quick brake fade at the track. | ||
| Ernesto (T88power)
Intermediate Member Username: T88power Post Number: 1451 Registered: 2-2001 |
Funny how a guy who is constantly posting performance figures ang bragging about his daddy's Diablo's NOS performance never takes it to the track to prove it. Its all talk. Ernesto | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 466 Registered: 6-2002 |
See, even if something is posted that is good about a extremely overpriced unobtainable Fiat, you guys are still not happy! But you are right, i'd rather have a Murcielago and an F40. | ||
| Mike Clark (Vipersrt)
Junior Member Username: Vipersrt Post Number: 92 Registered: 10-2002 |
The new viper has got a hold on eveeyone when it comes to braking. I would be surprised if the ENZO can beat it? I think it would be a close match in the braking department. | ||
| Omar (Auraraptor)
Member Username: Auraraptor Post Number: 504 Registered: 9-2002 |
Cool, my question is the braking. Its supposed to be the best...well is it? I wouldn't want my Enzo loosing in the twisties to a new Viper ;) | ||
| shahin tabassi (Shahin)
Junior Member Username: Shahin Post Number: 91 Registered: 4-2002 |
sall about the name my friend. Plus, how pimp would it be to roll up to rodeo in that whip | ||
| John A. Suarez (Futureowner)
Member Username: Futureowner Post Number: 619 Registered: 3-2002 |
Yeah, but for the same amount of money you can buy a lambo and make it rocket to the closest galaxy(Sagittarius,~80,000 light-years away) and back before the Ferrari even gets out of the shop! ;) | ||
| John A. Suarez (Futureowner)
Member Username: Futureowner Post Number: 618 Registered: 3-2002 |
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| Patrick Denonville (Arizonaguy)
New member Username: Arizonaguy Post Number: 48 Registered: 4-2003 |
any pics or scans? | ||
| allan fiedler (Allanlambo)
Member Username: Allanlambo Post Number: 465 Registered: 6-2002 |
0-60 in 3.5 seconds 0-100mph in 6.5 sec 1/4 11.1@138mph Awesome numbers! First real roadtest. |